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5db63b No.582

Sup /philosophy/
So I have suddenly become really interested in psychoanalysis. So I picked up one of Lacan's lectures and was confused as hell. I mean completely dumbfounded. Could somebody provide a reading list for me to really get psychoanalysis in order of first book to read to last book to read?
Thanks in advance.

5db63b No.585

OP here. I didn't know if it is relevant, but I am fairly well-versed in philosophy (the Greeks, etc.)

9c5092 No.586

Getting completely dumbfounded is the point of obscurantist bullshit.

aaa6c8 No.587

>>586
Making itself intelligible is suicide for philosophy. Those who idolize "facts" never notice that their idols only shine in a borrowed light

Martin Heidegger, Contributions to Philosophy (From Enowning)

9c5092 No.588

>>587
Well, the continental nutjobs need to justify their pseudointellectual masturbation somehow.

Whatever, you can keep wasting your time reading obtuse decryption puzzles if you want to. I'm sure they make you feel smart.

aaa6c8 No.591

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>>588

Continental philosophy is masturbation at its worst and epiphany at its best.

Analytic philosophy is autism at its worst and snobbery at its best.

e164a9 No.595

Psychoanalysis is fucking bullshit and has plagued medical science for a century.

c7f64b No.600

>>595
As empirical science psychoanalysis is pretty much a record of massive failure.

As a subset of the philosophy of mind and conceptual cognition, it's pretty damn interesting.

9c5092 No.605

>>600
I guess so if you want to base your philosophy on nonsense just because it sounds interesting.

c7f64b No.611

>>605
It's not nonsense. It's just HIGHLY speculative and deals with questions that analytical neuroscience does not and will not.

aaa6c8 No.612

>>611
Allow me to jump in and offer this explanation. What psychoanalysis attempts to do, that neuroscience does not, is explain the mind from the user's perspective.

This is initially valuable because neuroscience explains the brain while forbidding itself from making that leap into explaining the mind. Now, as an existentialist, I'm not to pleased with psychoanalysis. I see it as not willing to fully be a science, but also not willing to fully be a philosophy either. So you end up with this awkward strategy that has trouble defining what it itself is.

For that reason, I prefer existential phenomenology, which necessitates admitting that personal intuition on the part of the observer is the vehicle of discovering the mind.

63ca63 No.763

>>591
Nicely put.

9cc1e2 No.1696

Start with "The World as Will and Idea" by Schopenhauer.

It deeply influenced Freud himself when he was developping the tools of psychoanalysis.

The world as will and idea is the answer to psychology


ba45c7 No.1710

Psychoanalysis is based on Freud's misunderstanding of the nature of language.


d07844 No.1711

>>1710

Elaborate?




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