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 No.741

A few things.

First, this guy and his concept of philosophical zombies. The idea there could be a person who acts (and thinks? I forget its been a while) like a normal person, but has no mental content. I'm more interested in one philosopher who proved him wrong, who demonstrated that such a person does need content, but I forget the person/argument.

Also, another thing that pisses me off: why do most sources of pop philosophy never discuss further discourse of base philosophies? For example, Descartes and his meditations were immediately put to scrutiny by a princess who basically asked "how can a non tangible entity interact with a physical being (in regard to his concept of a soul)" but you almost never hear of her, and plebs treat the meditations as some infallible truth. People need to know philosophy only really gets started once serious discussion occurs in opposition to those base arguments, but maybe I'm rambling….

 No.742

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Jeez. I posted the wrong pic. THIS guy, David Chalmers.


Ok disscussion go!

 No.744

iunno OP. Chalmers a shit.

Wittgensteins 'On Certainty' is a really great work in epistemology. Its not a criticism of Decartes, but I dont know how anyone could believe in the meditations after reading On Certainty.

Philosophy is a weird domain that almost no one can appreciate but almost everyone wants to take part in. If there is a philosophical elite, theyre going to have to learn to interface with plebs.

 No.748

>>744
I appreciate the feedback, and I'll definitely check that out. Should be on a free book site, right?

But, yeah, I'd have to agree with you about Chalmers. My professors like to talk about him (be it lovingly or mockingly I forget), but I was always a bit suspicious about his "zombies"

I mean, how can there exist a person, that act exactly like a normal person, but have no mental content. I'm glad when they (professors) finally mentioned someone who demonstrated who the notion was implausible (or bullshit. idk where you stand on issue), but I can't remember who it was.

 No.758

>>741
>>748
The problem with those proposed zombies is the same one that AIs that pass the Turing test or identical copies of artworks have. There is no distinction that can be made to discern two things that are nonetheless declared to be "different". It's like suggesting that some mirrors are actually paintings, but they shift their colours around with your movements to seem real, and also otherwise feel and act like one (they break into shards, reflect sheen, etc.). Such an assumtion is essentually unusable, since it eliminates any difference aside from supposed "essence" or, worse, "true nature" which is something postulated and deliberately stated to be undiscernable.

It's, in a way, an interesting thought experiment, and I'd suggest you check out Hilary Putnams suggested "Twin Earth". But in my opinion, the novelty of these thoughts essentially boil down to how we can differentiate things, and that question becomes obsolete when possibilities to differentiate are eliminated or stated to be impossible. That is why I have no qualms dismissing the notion.

This is probably not the demonstration that you refer to, since I'm not actually familiar with Chalers at all.

As for your second point; It frustrates me too that people seem to think philosophy is either blind following of the philosophers deemed important or influential, or simple opinion (read; unfalsifiable assertions) flung at one another. In truth, the bulk of philosophy is rigorously tearing the important philosophers, and indeed any philosopher, apart.



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