Okay, anarchists, listen up. Statist socialism and traditional anarchism, i.e. libertarian socialism are mutually exclusive. This is not some great, hidden gem of wisdom, it's what anarchists have been talking about for over a hundred years. Why, then, do

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Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 20:19:52 No.174

Okay, anarchists, listen up. Statist socialism and traditional anarchism, i.e. libertarian socialism are mutually exclusive. This is not some great, hidden gem of wisdom, it's what anarchists have been talking about for over a hundred years. Why, then, do I see your sorry asses walk alongside fucking marxist scum like you were best fuckbuddies? You guys are supposed to be fucking enemies!

This is why I can't take people who call themselves socialists serious. Hell, I would probably call myself a socialist if it hadn't become an umbrella term for people who are literally retarded.

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 22:05:24 No.175

>>174

>Why, then, do I see your sorry asses walk alongside fucking marxist scum like you were best fuckbuddies? You guys are supposed to be fucking enemies!

Give context for this?

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 22:29:20 No.176

>>175

It's an impression I have of modern socialism in general. For a specific example, look at the antifa. Good luck finding out whether any particular of these organizations is marxist or anarchist. It's like they didn't even care themselves about the disctinction, in fact. These groups are more concerned with hating fascists and capitalists than they are concerned with keeping their own ideologies coherent.

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 22:54:45 No.179

>>176

Wouldn't that be the point? It's in the name-antifa. They could be islamic fundamentalists or baptist preachers or liberal democrats but so long as they're anti-fascist don't they count too?

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 23:06:59 No.184

>>176

>>179

I have to agree with anon here. If you wanted something specifically anarchist, take a look at your national anarchist federation.

Anonymous 05/13/15 (Wed) 12:16:42 No.249

>>179

I could understand this if they stuck to criticizing fascists, but the antifa are also big into anti-capitalism and they liek feminism. To quote the Antifa Mannheim:

>Neben der Naziszene richtet sich unser Kampf auch gegen weitere Formen des Rassismus, Antisemitismus und Sexismus sowie gegen die herrschende kapitalistische Gesellschaftsordnung.

A rough translation would be:

>Aside from the nazi-scene, we also fight against other forms of racism, antisemitism, sexism as well as the prevalent capitalist social order.

Sauce: http://www.akantifa-mannheim.de/uber-uns/

The antifa are not united by a hatred of fascism, they are united by a shared, broader, but still painfully undefined leftist ideology. They don't seem to be quite marxist, but neither do they seem to be anarchist, despite the fact that - again - these two ideologies are mutually exclusive. The one is authoritarian, the other is, well, anarchist. One is collectivist, the other is (or tends to be) individualist. How, then, can they get along so well?

>>184

I'm not ruling out that these people exist. Far from it. I just doubt they are the majority of socialists.

Anonymous 05/13/15 (Wed) 15:43:41 No.254

>>249

>antifa

I know people tend to think of them when they think of "leftism" because they are loud and annoying, but actual, serious leftists organize in syndicates with the working class and wage class struggle (anarchists more often than not, marxists tend to prefer the political party).

Antifa doesn't represent us. Although I am anti-fascist and anti-capitalist, anarchists are.

>One is collectivist, the other is (or tends to be) individualist.

Maybe here is your problem?

You know Bakunin, the guy whose picture and quote you posted in OP? The guy invented collectivism. His position in the First International, where he clashed against Marx and the anarchist and marxist positions clearly and officially broke (after Marx killed the International to prevent Bakunin from winning), was that of collectivism (as opposed to Marx's state communism).

In fact, I would suggest that maybe the reason antifa anarchists and marxists get along so well is because they put the struggle against patriarchy and racism above the class struggle.

Just food for thought.

Anonymous 05/13/15 (Wed) 18:11:38 No.266

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