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I expect them to do something about how OP fairy is.

Type ideas that have been floated around halfchan /vp/ and other places for ages:

>Cosmic
Space/Alien/Tech type
Unfortunately Palkia will never be retyped into this

>Magic/Mystic
Kind of rendered redundant by Fairy

>Light
Both the 'religious' and 'literal' interpretations.
The former is unlikely due to Nintendo's stance on religion and the latter has more promise. That said, too many moves are already light based, such as Dazzling Gleam, Solar Beam and Signal Beam so there'd be confusion there. Also, Fairy kind of renders it redundant.

>Sound
Personally I think this is silly, I mean while there are special mechanics for sound-based moves, the idea of a pokemon's body being an embodiment of sound is strange, especially considering that pretty much every pokemon is capable of producing sound.
Suggested mons include Exploud, Jigglypuff and Chatot.

>Air/Wind
To reduce the number of Flying types via retyping, but given how many flying types are literally birds and winged creatures, it wouldn't serve to reduce the number of flying types anyway.

>Aquatic/Fish
To reduce the number of Water types in the game via retyping. No idea how the hell it would work as a type though

>>6591
No offense, but early psychic types pretty much covered the spell casting magical variety. Fairy is essentially covering the fey, or mythical types. adding onto parallels between the mythos between fey and humans, and pokemon and humans.

I mean sure, you can argue that "fairy" type sounds like it should be piss weak and a laughing stock. But you read up some old fey mythos, and fey aren't something to mess around with or take lightly.

On that note, maybe almighty type?

>>6593
>early psychic types pretty much covered the spell casting magical variety
delphox is the only wizard i can think of

>>6593
None of these are actually any of my ideas, so no offense taken.

But nah - Psychic is definitely different from Magic. Nothing about Psychic types involved chanting, runes or spells. Psionics also tend to be completely different from Mages in tabletop RPGs.

If another type were to be introduced, it would be to rebalance the existing types. So if we can recognise what are or will be the best and worst existing types, we can predict the next one. Maybe.

All I know for sure is what ever the new type is, i hope its weak to grass and bug, and have its attacks be resisted or immune by ice types, those types could use a boost.

>>6596

The Abra line is kinda like modern magicians.

And hypno kinda.

>>6861
And it should be strong against fairy and water because they're just about the best types.

>>6861
>>6865

Maybe a Corruption or bacteria type.

But both overlap with poison.

My guess is iff they add a new type it'll be like dragon/fairy, and not be an element but based on some sort of cryptozoology.

>>6591
It isn't rendered redundant by Fairy- rather, Fairy IS the magic/mystic type.

Why else would Gardevoir be a fairy? She's a mage.

>>6887
Gardevoir is a knight. Its Japanese name is literally Sirknight. And it's a fairy because like mythological fairies it looks vaguely humanoid but there's something subtly wrong about it (Amorphous egg group, anyone?).

>>6887
>she

But seriously, I'm pretty sure Gardevoir and Gallade are very much inspired by fairies, as in old european fair folk kind of fairies.

They're among the few mons keeping the fairy type from being the 'magical girl sidekick' type.

Bumping the thread with an idea I tossed around in my head some and posted back at /vp/:

Feral Type - offshoot of Normal Type

Basis is well, wild crazy attacks and driven by instinct. A lot of moves would get retyped or become dual-typed moves much like flying press.

SE against: Fairy, Dark, Normal, Water
NVE against: Rock, Steel, Ice, Poison, Dragon
Resists : Ghost, Dark, Ground
Weak to : Psychic, Poison, Dragon
Immune to: Fairy

>Moves to be retyped:
Slash, Crush Claw, Fury Attack, Horn Attack and some other moves that involve ripping, tearing and general savagery

>Moves to become dual-typed
All Fang moves, as well as Bite and Crunch.

Pokemon to be retyped: Ones that have a more wilder/predatory look to them, or simply ones implied to rely more heavily on instincts than other mons.

Raticate -> Normal/Feral
Fearow -> Feral/Flying
Persian -> Normal/Feral
Primeape -> Fighting/Feral
Tauros -> Feral
Mightyena -> Dark/Feral
Linoone -> Normal/Feral
Vigoroth -> Normal/Feral
Luxio/Luxray -> Electric/Feral
Purugly -> Feral
Watchog -> Normal/Feral
Druddigon -> Dragon/Feral

Not sure which of the normal types should be straight up retyped instead of becoming dual types.

Relationship with other types needs work, but yeah.

>Cosmic
No. Just because something's from space doesn't mean it's special. Meteors are rocks, stars are fiery… Mostly the same shit as on Earth. And besides this 'realm' belongs with Psychic. There may be room for a more sci-fi type (if Electric and Steel aren't enough, I think they are) but it shouldn't be called this. Maybe call it Anomolous or Extrinsic then maybe there'll be a better type for Arceus and Ditto.

>Air/Wind
There was once almost a Bird-type that got scrapped. I feel like it's pretty specific, but maybe Bird-type could work? We have Dragon and Bug after all. Birds don't seem to be weak against Ice and Ice ought to be resistant to Flying but maybe not Bird.

>Fish
No Fish. Fish are pretty much susceptible to the same things water is. But maybe if we did have it that's another type Poison beats.

>Feral
Hmmmm… I kind of like it but is it too close to Fighting or Dark? But you can't have Taurus. It belongs in Normal with Miltank and Bouffalant. They're a family.

>Sound
What's wrong with Sound-type? They know they want to make this type so bad. There's so much potential and plenty of inspiration as sound is vital to a lot of animals. Every Pokemon can do basic things too that doesn't mean they all need to be Normal. Some like Exploud, Kriketune, Chimecho are more Sound than others

>Light
Fairy doesn't render LITERAL light redundant. And there are animals that use bioluminescence. Literal light also doesn't behave like Fire or Electricity so it would have to have unique strengths and weaknesses to be realistically scientifically based. Moves like Dazzling Gleam stay in Fairy

>Mystic/Magic
What about Witch-type? But we could do with not filling Pokemon up with too much fantasy types tho

Well I tried working it out

Light Type - as in literal Light and not religious

SE against: Water, Ghost, Poison
NVE against: Fire, Bug
No effect against: Grass
Resists : Fire, Electric, Ghost
Weak to : Grass, Ground

New moves:
Zapper: 50BP Electric/Light - deals supereffective damage to bug types.

Flashing Light: Special 20BP +2 priority non-contact, 30% chance to flinch.

Moves to become dual typed:
Signal Beam, Solar Beam, Moon Blast, Aurora Beam

New abilities:
Ultraviolet: Bug Types cannot switch out, draws in bug moves.

Shit needs work, and the relationship with bug types would definitely be a unique one.

>>7425
Nothing wrong with Sound as an attacking type.

As a Pokemon type resistances and weaknesses and being the embodiment of something intangible and invisible is kind of odd.

I mean think about why GF went with 'Flying' type instead of 'Wind' type in the first place.

>>7431
Actual light would be weak to Water and Steel. Water absorbs and destroys light very fast. That's why it's pitch-black just a few hundred feet down in the ocean. Steel is reflective so is knocks the shit out of them.

Wouldn't Rock be be resistant? And I could see Flying being weak (blinding). Grass is good for immunity. Fire could also work but strengths wise Grass might need it more.

>>7467
I was wondering with Water and Steel because it can go a lot of ways.

Light passes through water - it does take considerable depths for it to actually kill light though. You make a good point about it manipulating light pretty well though - by both reflecting it and absorbing it. The same applies to Ice.

I was wondering with the steel types as not all of them are shiny/reflective though yeah, a majority of them are.

Ground/Rock was something I was wondering about since there needs to be more to set the two types apart.

Bug was another one - Bugs see a wider spectrum of light, but at the same time get fucked over by light - I decided to make it a resist because goddamn does bug get shit on a lot. Made that Bug Zapper move as a nod to Bugs getting fucked by certain types of light akin to Freeze Dry.

I know Earthquake is an issue though so I think a special clause instead for mud attacks being SE against Light as opposed to ground in general being SE to light?

Maybe its moves having all these complex exceptions could be light's gimmick?

>>7469
The sea starts getting dark almost as soon as you get in, but really a few hundred feet down. At about 3200 feet (about a kilometer) its completely dark. That sounds like a lot but for light that's nothing. It only takes light 1/100ish of a second to travel that distance and that's how quickly it's destroyed.

>>7470
Alright that's a pretty solid case but I do hate the idea of buffing water some more.

>>7471
I guess I can see that. Water is one of the strongest types right now with only 2 weaknesses.

>>7472
And almost all of them have access to Ice, letting them kill off Grass which is already constantly shit on.

And then there's Electric which doesn't even resist Water. Water truly is the bullshit type.

>>7486
>>7472
Oh and the fact that Water can use Ice and key mons that are weak to ice are x4 weak to it, there's almost little to no reason to actually use Ice types.

Water being what it is is what keeps 2 of the underpowered types underpowered.

>>7425
Dazzling Gleam does use light. I thought since it's Fairy it's like a magical smile but it's a new Flash. So it might be Light

I think Alien type would be cool.
Make it SE against Ghost, Psychic, Dragon, and Fairy. Resists those types as well.

Resited by other Alien types.

Not very effective against Poison and Fighting and weak to them too.

No effect on Normal type.

>>7507
>nerfing Psychic even more

aside from that it also has twice as much type relations in favor of it than against it, making it a potentially OP type, given it hits hard against three of the better types and is weak to one of the worse ones.

The idea of it being strong against 'fantasy' elements and weak to 'natural' ones is rather nice as a theme though - though that sounds more like a 'tech' type rather than an alien one.

>>7507
>Alien-type

1. If you really think about it, it sounds stupid
2. Psychic is already Alien: Deoxys, Elgyem, Jirachi and Mew (until they become proper Fairy-types)
3. None of the types it's SE against here makes any sense. Maybe YOU don't believe in Fairies, Ghosts and whatever (some people don't believe in aliens), but in the Pokemon world they're real, so they're not fantasy there. So why would this type have any real reason to be SE against them?

>>7526
And I mean Jirachi and Mew for Fairy not the others

>>7526
>So why would this type have any real reason to be SE against them?
Aliens are highly scientifically advanced so think of it as science debunking myths/fairytales/folklore.

>>7515
I figured they'd be weak to Poison since alien immune systems are weak to earthling illnesses and Fighting since aliens are physically weak and would get their asses kicked in a fist fight.

>>7526
But Deoxys and Elgyem were only given the Psychic type because there is no other type that suits them. It's the same reason Clefairy line was Normal until Gen 6.

Pokemon that don't really have a type that suits them are either lumped in Psychic or Normal.

>>7540
I guess, but not all aliens are like that. Some aliens like the Grays maybe psychic but Reptilians and Nordics are not psychic-like and are more known for their technology.

>>7541
Then there's the aliens like in well, Alien and Starship Troopers which are giant bugs and not the least bit tech-oriented.

Which is why some sort of 'Tech' type as opposed to 'Alien' type might make more sense.

>>7550
Or just call it the Space type. If it came from space or has to do with outer space then it gets the Space type.

>>7560
One way is to make them dual typed. Grays and similar beings can be Alien/Psychic, Reptilians can be Alien/Dragon or Alien/Water. Nordics I think are Alien/Normal since they look like humans but are from space.
Then there are weird alien life forms that that don't really fit into any type other than Alien. Some of these are life forms that just spawned randomly like Deoxys.

>>7558
>Palkia is not retyped to Dragon/Space

It would be the saddest thing man.

>>7432
Ekans is not the embodiment of poison, it's a poisonous snake. Ninetales is not the embodiment of fire, it's a fox with fire powers. They don't need to be embodiments, and even if they did there's plenty of examples of sound-based or sound-powered characters in all kinds of media

>>7676
It's how the types relationships work however.

A fish would normally be borked by rapid temperature changes, and yet Seaking resists both Fire and Ice.

>>7680
O rly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwolYFGM9pU

>>7689
Neat vid, but that's more a demonstration of cryogenics.

You can also keep a fish alive while cooking it, but that's… something else entirely. Also you're on fullchan. Embed your shit, nigga.

>>7693
Why is embed not in Quick Reply at all? And no trying this animal cruelty at home!