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06d0f3 No.10402160

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFs-maiGEVQ

>BRICS have declared they wanna move from US dollars as international currency

>BRICS have only to gain majority in the IMF to vote the resolution to move from dollars

>even if the US oposes they have not longer majority

>USA will collapse then

Trump wont save shit, he's trying to make deals to rebuild your nation after the collapse.

0612e5 No.10403237

>>10402160

the US won't collapse dipshit. JM Keynes' original idea was to have an international currency or sorts and have the IMF/World Bank forcefully settle account imbalances. China would be the most fucked.

listen to Reactionary Hippie on soundcloud. that niggerfaggot has a pretty good podcast on debt and international trade


045b46 No.10403259

Nothing will happen


06d0f3 No.10403264

>>10403237

so, what will happen if the IMF then claims international trade to be settled in something outside the dollar?

do you think everything will be fine in USA then?


0612e5 No.10403310

>>10403264

>do you think everything will be fine in USA then?

well, it won't be fine, but the US won't collapse. By balancing accounts I mean current/capital accounts ie balance of trade and investment flows. Right now, the US runs a perpetual trade deficit (and investment surplus) and China vice versa, and that would not be allowed (long-term) under Keynes' scheme. Economists estimate that having the world's reserve currency only banks the US a couple ticks GDP. The PetroDollar doesn't real. Nothing will collapse (though it might not be a totally cheery experience)


3c250d No.10403330

nothing will happen unless the kikes are ready to pull the pin. It's their samson option if the current push into culture ends up stoking a similar reaction to weimar germany.


06d0f3 No.10403366

>>10403310

So, let's ignore the debt bubble and derivative bubble?

will they magically dissapear and we'll be fine?


000000 No.10403404

Brasil is a shitskin shithole with Mordor levels of murder and rape, constant political and economic unrest thanks to communists, and is held up entirely by the whites of the country.

Russia's economy is base entirely on resources and arms industry with constant political unrest and protests because of the lack of political freedoms or industry for trade which they can in no way compete with China.

India has very smart talented people in its highest caste but is unstable, way too divided ethnically, and some areas have worse poverty than subsaharan Africa.

China is the best here, they have the largest manufacturing in the world and a population so large - the largest of any - they could just trade with themselves but they have a massive bubble and a demographic timebomb on top of that as a result of their one child policies.

S might as well not exist. It is a joke built entirely by white men and will quickly erode to nothing just like USA's Detroit.


06d0f3 No.10403443

>>10403404

BRICS economy togheter is bigger than G7.


17e9a2 No.10403530

Rickards talking about SDR's? Yawn. The idea has been around for decades now. Picked up since the housing collapse.

The US wouldn't fail because of it, just experience the reality of the rest of the world. Which means, higher prices for everything and less of it.


06d0f3 No.10403612

>>10403530

t. never read rickards book.


1bd46a No.10403628

>>10403366

well… certainly it would seem the cheap credit will be turned off. its not clear there actually is a derivative bubble, though i sympathize with that view. the point is, nothing will collapse (that wouldn't already collapse). clearly, everything in the economy is connecting and a hit to gdp or long-term interest rates could definitely exacerbate any already existing problems, but any sort of catastrophism is unwarranted


06d0f3 No.10403658

>>10403628

I'm not so sure about collapse, but that's a very on point view.

Americans have 500 billion trade deficit, imagine if now they have to balance that with real production rather than exporting dollars.

Something will happen.


1bd46a No.10403672

>>10403628

*connected

The point is, BRICS will be fucking themselves over because most of them are using export-led growth strategies. some spoonfeed for the babby

https://soundcloud.com/user-852479284/on-debt-the-usd-reserve-currency-status-petrodollars-and-export-led-growth


000000 No.10403686

>>10403443

That's only because of the insane population they hold and how it doesn't include China. The G7 is meant to have the seven largest economies in the world and the G20 is replacing the G7 as it is anyway because of this reason. As it stands, your economy can't be stable with such a massive population living in literal shit.


06d0f3 No.10403698

>>10403686

the FED printing infinite money actually debase the other countries wealth.

wow, I love how dollars lose value, wtf my economy now collapses thanks to that.

wtf, I love food riots.


1bd46a No.10403802

>>10403698

>the FED printing infinite money actually debase the other countries wealth

except that's not how it works anon. the fed "printing" money only "debases" your wealth if you are holding USD or USD-denominated assets. it does make your products more expensive in the US and US products cheaper abroad, perhaps causing lost revenues in your export sector etc


06d0f3 No.10403841

>>10403802

>other countries don't hold their reserves on dollars.

wtf, I love food riots now in arab spring revolutions.

wtf, I love quantitative easing.


67e153 No.10403873

>>10403841

>the US printing money debases my home currency

>my central bank "pays" a seignorage tax on USD reserves (ie. USD-denominated assets)

those aren't the same thing dipshit

also, countries don't hold "all" their reserves in USD, and depending on the amount of trade they do (and debt they are in), the amount of USD reserves they hold might fluctuate greatly

learn to economics faget


06d0f3 No.10403911

>>10403873

the basics of their reserves still are dollars, fucking iliterate.

do you think quantitative easing makes the russians and chinese happy?

what was the cause of arab spring revolutions?

It was that food became more expensive, thanks to FED infinite money printing.


962535 No.10404002

>>10403911

>the basics of their reserves still are dollars, fucking iliterate

so what. you clearly don't understand what reserves are or how they work, making you the fucking illiterate

>do you think quantitative easing makes the russians and chinese happy?

mostly the chinese, and no. of course not. but mostly because it makes chinese goods more expensive in the US you fucking dipshit, not because it somehow "debases" their currency. jesus you're fucking retarded

>what was the cause of arab spring revolutions

the Arabs' yearning for Freedom and Democracy of course - that and Twitter & Facebook, clearly loldongs jk: it was CIAniggers

>food more expensive

explain how the USD depreciating against all other currencies makes foodstuffs more expensive in the ME. I dare you >protip: you can't


06d0f3 No.10404051

>>10404002

>inflation doesn't occur when a central bank prints money

wishfull magical thinking.


82e62c No.10404070

>>10404051

>inflation doesn't occur halfway across the world when the Fed depreciates the dollar

yes, exactly, you economically illiterate dipshit


06d0f3 No.10404159

>>10404070

>quantitative easing isn't printing dollars


a67ae0 No.10404181

>>10404159

>this thing that isn't related to the topic at hand is equivalent to this other thing that is not related to the topic at hand

you have three options:

1) explain how the USD deflating vis a vis Arab currencies would cause foodstuff inflation in the ME

2) find just one peer-reviewed article that says such a thing happened

3) apologize for your stupidity

i bet you'll pick 4) keep acting like a retard


06d0f3 No.10404235

>>10404181

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8492078/How-the-Fed-triggered-the-Arab-Spring-uprisings-in-two-easy-graphs.html

wtf I love the FED printing infinite money.


a67ae0 No.10404247

>>10404235

>telegraph newspaper

>peer-reviewed article

try again retard


06d0f3 No.10404286

>>10404247

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/634/economics/the-problem-with-printing-money/

>printing money doesn't cause inflation


a67ae0 No.10404306

>>10404286

i never said "printing" money doesn't cause inflation, you fucking moron. I said the US depreciating the Dollar doesn't cause foodstuff inflation in goods being traded in a different currency on the other side of the world.

jesus fucking christ you're stupid

also, "printing" money doesn't cause inflation during a bubble-burst or during disinflation.

learn to economics

ps. still waiting on that peer-reviewed article you fucking ignorant twat


06d0f3 No.10404310

>>10404247

Asset bubble creation is one of the most visible malignancies caused by Federal Reserve money

printing, but there are many others. One obvious effect is the export of inflation from the United States

to its trading partners through the exchange-rate mechanism. A persistent conundrum of Fed monetary

policy since 2008 has been the absence of inflation in U.S. consumer prices. From 2008 through

2012, the year-over-year increase in the consumer price index averaged just 1.8 percent per year, the

lowest for any five-year period since 1965. Fed critics have expected for years that inflation would

rise sharply in the United States in response to money printing, albeit with a lag, but the inflation has

not yet appeared; indeed persistent deflationary signs began emerging in 2013.

A principal reason for the absence of inflation in the United States is that inflation was exported

abroad through the exchange-rate mechanism. Trading partners of the United States, such as China and

Brazil, wanted to promote their exports by preventing their currencies from appreciating relative to

the U.S. dollar. As the Fed prints dollars, these trading partners must expand their own money

supplies to soak up the dollar flood coming into their economies in the form of trade surpluses or

investment. These local money-printing policies cause inflation in the trading partner economies. U.S.

inflation is muted because Americans import cheap goods from our trading partners.

From the start of the new millennium, the world in general and the United States in particular have

had a natural deflationary bias. Initially the United States imported this deflation from China in the

form of cheap goods produced by abundant labor there, aided by an undervalued currency that caused

U.S. dollar prices for Chinese goods to be lower than economic fundamentals dictated. This

deflationary bias became pronounced in 2001, when annual U.S. inflation dipped to 1.6 percent,

perilously close to outright deflation

Rickards own book, page 57 (the death of money).


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06d0f3 No.10404334

>>10404306

It was this deflation scare that prompted then Fed chairman Alan Greenspan to sharply lower

interest rates. In 2002 the average Federal Funds effective rate was 1.67 percent, then the lowest in

forty-four years. In 2003 the average Federal Funds rate was even lower, 1.13 percent, and it

remained low through 2004, averaging 1.35 percent for the year. The extraordinarily low interest-ratepolicy during this three-year period was designed to fend off deflation, and it worked. After the usual

lag, the consumer price index rose 2.7 percent in 2004 and 3.4 percent in 2005. Greenspan was like

the pilot of a crashing plane who pulls the aircraft out of a nosedive just before it hits the ground,

stabilizes the aerodynamics, then regains altitude. By 2007, inflation was back over 4 percent, and the

Fed Funds rate was over 5 percent.

Greenspan had fended off the deflation dragon, but in so doing he had created a worse conundrum.

His low-rate policy led directly to an asset bubble in housing, which crashed with devastating impact

in late 2007, marking the start of a new depression. Within a year, declining asset values, evaporating

liquidity, and lost confidence produced the Panic of 2008, in which tens of trillions of dollars in

paper wealth disappeared seemingly overnight.

The Federal Reserve chairmanship passed from Alan Greenspan to Ben Bernanke in February

2006, just as the housing calamity was starting to unfold. Bernanke inherited Greenspan’s deflation

problem, which had never really gone away but had been masked by the 2002–4 easy-money policies.

The consumer price index reached an interim peak in July 2008, then fell sharply for the remainder of

that year. Annual inflation year over year from 2008 to 2009 actually dropped for the first time since

1955; inflation was turning to deflation again.

This time the cause was not the Chinese but deleveraging. The housing market collapse in 2007

destroyed the collateral value behind $1 trillion in subprime and other low-quality mortgages, and

trillions of dollars more in derivatives based on those mortgages also collapsed in value. The Panic

of 2008 forced financial firms and leveraged investors to sell assets in a disorderly fire sale to pay

down debt. Other assets came on the market due to insolvencies such as Bear Stearns, Lehman

Brothers, and AIG. The financial panic spread to the real economy as housing starts ground to a halt

and construction jobs disappeared. Unemployment spiked, which was another boost to deflation.

Inflation dropped to 1.6 percent in 2010, identical to the 1.6 percent rate that had spooked Greenspan

in 2001. Bernanke’s response to the looming threat from deflation was even more aggressive than

Greenspan’s response to the same threat almost a decade earlier. Bernanke lowered the effective Fed

Funds rate to close to zero in 2008, where it has remained ever since.

The world is witnessing a climactic battle between deflation and inflation. The deflation is

endogenous, derived from emerging markets’ productivity, demographic shifts, and balance sheet

deleveraging. The inflation is exogenous, coming from central bank interest-rate policy and money

printing. Price index time series are not mere data points; they are more like a seismograph that

measures tectonic plates pushing against each other on a fault line. Often the fault line is quiet, almost

still. At other times it is active, as pressure builds and one plate pushes under another. Inflation was

relatively active in 2011 as the year-over-year increase reached 3.2 percent. Deflation got the upper

hand in late 2012; a four-month stretch from September to December 2012 produced a steady decline

in the consumer price index. The economy is neither in an inflationary nor a deflationary mode; it is

experiencing both at the same time from different causes; price indexes reveal how these offsetting

forces are playing out.


06d0f3 No.10404345

>>10404306

The world is witnessing a climactic battle between deflation and inflation. The deflation is

endogenous, derived from emerging markets’ productivity, demographic shifts, and balance sheet

deleveraging. The inflation is exogenous, coming from central bank interest-rate policy and money

printing. Price index time series are not mere data points; they are more like a seismograph that

measures tectonic plates pushing against each other on a fault line. Often the fault line is quiet, almost

still. At other times it is active, as pressure builds and one plate pushes under another. Inflation was

relatively active in 2011 as the year-over-year increase reached 3.2 percent. Deflation got the upper

hand in late 2012; a four-month stretch from September to December 2012 produced a steady decline

in the consumer price index. The economy is neither in an inflationary nor a deflationary mode; it is

experiencing both at the same time from different causes; price indexes reveal how these offsetting

forces are playing out


06d0f3 No.10404355

>>10404306

This dynamic has profound implications for policy. It means the Fed cannot stop its easing policy

so long as the fundamental deflationary forces are in place. If the Fed relented in its money printing,

deflation would quickly dominate the economy, with disastrous consequences for the national debt,

government revenue, and the banking system. But deflation’s root causes are not going away either. At

least a billion more workers will enter the labor force in Asia, Africa, and Latin America in comingdecades, which will keep downward pressure on costs and prices. Meanwhile a demographic

debacle in developed countries will put downward pressure on aggretavistock demand in these advanced

economies. Finally, technological breakthroughs are accelerating and promise higher productivity

with cheaper goods and services. The energy revolution in natural gas, shale oil, and fracking is

another deflationary force.

In short, the world wants to deflate while governments want to inflate. Neither force will relent, so

the pressure between them will continue to build. It is just a matter of time before the economy

experiences more than just bubbles, but an earthquake in the form of either a deeper depression or

higher inflation, as one force rapidly and unexpectedly overwhelms the other.


d36e7b No.10404386

>>10402160

What is it that people mean when they say "collapse"?

If by collapse we mean decline, that has been a steady process.

If by an event that precipitates a more rapid collapse in a matter of days/weeks, that will not happen in the USA.


06d0f3 No.10404409

>>10404306

Conversely, Fed policies intended to promote inflation in the United States, partly through

exchange rates, make deflation worse in the economies of U.S. trading partners such as Japan. These

trading partners fight back by cheapening their own currencies. Japan is currently the most prominent

example. The Japanese yen crashed 33 percent against the U.S. dollar in an eight-month stretch from

mid-September 2012 to mid-May 2013. The cheap yen was intended to increase inflation in Japan

through higher import prices for energy. But it also hurt Korean exports from companies such as

Samsung and Hyundai that compete with Japanese exports from Sony and Toyota. This caused Korea

to cut interest rates to cheapen its currency, and so on around the world, in a blur of rate cuts, money

printing, imported inflation, and knock-on effects triggered by Fed manipulation of the world’s

reserve currency. The result is not effective policy; the result is global confusion.

The Federal Reserve defends its market interventions as necessary to overcome market

dysfunctions such as those witnessed in 2008 when liquidity evaporated and confidence in money

market-funds collapsed. Of course, it is also true that the 2008 liquidity crisis was itself the product

of earlier Fed policy blunders starting in 2002. While the Fed is focused on the intended effects of its

policies, it seems to have little regard for the unintended ones.


4abc78 No.10404413

>>10404310

>wall of text

tl;dr

from what i did read…

>Trading partners of the United States, such as China and Brazil, wanted to promote their exports by preventing their currencies from appreciating relative to the U.S. dollar

i already said this. they are "cheating" in the international trade system

>As the Fed prints dollars, these trading partners must expand their own money supplies to soak up the dollar flood coming into their economies

this is incomprehensible. this guy is a fucktard…

…searched for the guy: lawyer and commentator. not an economist or a social scientist of any kind.

called it

still waiting on that peer-reviewed article dipshit


06d0f3 No.10404422

>>10404386

a global currency reset thanks to the IMF taking away the dollar from being a global currency.

then american dollar is fucking devalued.

>>10404413

>I don't read his arguments, therefore he's wrong

he knows more than anyone on this shit board.


d82392 No.10404446

>>10404422

>he knows more than anyone on this shit board

not if he thinks other countries have to "print" money to "soak up" USD. that's fucktardery at its best.

give me a peer-reviewed academic article asshole. use google scholar. i dare you to find one protip: you can't


b60a77 No.10404487

>>10404422

>>10404446

(cont) going to nap. have fun wallowing in your stupidity. think about how much you could have learned if you would have just listened instead of being a whiny little bitch


06d0f3 No.10404503

>>10404487

>>10404446

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165176517300939


513bb4 No.10404518

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>>10404181

>>10404247

>>10404306

>>10404002

>>10404446

>>10404487

<I dare you

<peer-reviewed article

Got a live one here boys. With IP rotation and everything. So my guess is OP is on to something- and the obvious shill the madman is just obvious and obnoxious with the IP hopping


10f112 No.10404529

Trump needs to push for a global debt reset where all debt from boat loans to Student & house loans, to municipal & national debt would be eradicated world wide.

The Kikes have created more debt than there is money in the world, it's impossible to pay it off.

By doing that the world would turn nationalist,and Trump would be a folk hero. it would be Revolutionary! Just imagine whites and business not being strangled with debt.


06d0f3 No.10404535

>>10404529

yeah, the average normie don't have a clue about the debt bubble.

is like they can't understand an exponential curve.


4ceb12 No.10404560

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>>10402160

>believing on the BRICS meme

Also you have to be an special kind of stupid to think the dollar will be dropped anything soon, try again in a couple of centuries

I hate stupid people taking a shot at economics, go get a degree and stop making dumb threads


06d0f3 No.10404628

>>10404560

>the system crashed in breton woods (1940), oil debt crisis (1970) and WWI (1920)

>but surelly it wont crash again

>anime laughing prostitutes.png


4ceb12 No.10404653

>>10404628

yet we still use it

You are arguing for my point you nigger


a80e1d No.10404675

>>10404628

>anime laughing prostitutes.png

KEK


bc245c No.10410365

>>10404560

>Also you have to be an special kind of stupid to think the dollar will be dropped anything soon, try again in a couple of centuries

Don't know what you're getting at. It's very obvious that non-Anglo powers want to free themselves from the dollar yoke. Some unsuccesful (Iraq, Libya), some try a middle-of-the-road approach (Brasil, India, Japan), others are preparing for complete dropout (Russia, China).


26b583 No.10412833

>>10403686

>Tor

>Doesn't include China

B - Brazil

R - Russia

I - India

C - China

Tor newfags OUT!


efbb14 No.10413725

>>10402160

I wish I understood economics

But then again, do economists understand economics?




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