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8d91de  No.11691824

Can we get a thread dedicated to European genetics both North and South without any of that esoteric bullshit? I've grown tired of all these LARPERs pushing foundless narratives. I just want a good ol' genetics thread without any of the bullshit.

7811d6  No.11691845

I appreciate the notion but you know full well that by mentioning esoshit you're bound to attract esoniggers. Also, let's be honest /pol/ isn't the best place to discuss anything related to science.

8d91de  No.11691852


Still, I'm kinda tired of all these supposed "experts" on European demographics pushing lies and complete misinformation.

744320  No.11691890

File: d927cd17908022b⋯.png (85.07 KB, 681x881, 681:881, EEF vs WHG vs Yamnaya prop….PNG)

File: 5bfba2bbd8a92f2⋯.png (155.72 KB, 923x889, 923:889, PCA minoans and mycenaeans.PNG)

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don't fall for the shill post


>not the best place for discussing science

back to leddit faggot where you get banned for even mentioning these studies.


First I will post some graphs.

Second I will post my Völkisch estimation of genetics and why its not an identity.


We believe in Blood. Paracelsus said that blood was a “condensation of light”. The Völkisch science of inheritance and the modern science of genetics describe the same fundamental aspects of Nature. They are distinct from each other in that the former relies on a priori explanations rooted “superstition” (in a very limited sense, “blood” is an approximation of the DNA, both terms describe inheritance flowing from parent to child) while the latter is a posteriori. We embrace every science insofar as it helps us multiply and gain an edge over the competitor races. There should not be any dissonance or quarreling in the mind of a Völkisch man about DNA and modern genetics. It, like the proton in the universe, is at the most fundamental level of biology. Our beliefs simply go beyond the bare and materialistic character of DNA and this is where we clash with militant atheists who absurdly reduce human existence to “strings of chemical reactions”.

Genetics must be viewed as a welcome affirmation of that which has been known to Völkisch thought for centuries now, one of the practical applications of the science deals with genes in populations. In this field one must think and see through the lens of the genepool of a race or aristocratic lineage and in so doing one is already practicing Völkisch thought in regards to inheritance. When thinking as a corpus (or Volkskörper), one is paying attention to frequencies of traits and their differential rates of reproduction. The spreading of desirable traits through the eugenic breeding of desirable people is one of the oldest Völkisch concepts, and so is the viewing of individual phenotypes as transient beings. The flow of blood (or genes) must continue and right now we are simply vehicles of flow. Through selection of vehicles we can impact the direction of the flow, but we cannot allow the flowing to stop as that would mean the extinguishing of our blood. What gives the dimension of time to blood is the incarnation of blood in living beings that have been born of one generation and then produce the next. On an unrelated note I must comment on the current use of genetics science in dissident right spaces: no, pointing to unique genes only carried/expressed by Aryans does not constitute an identity. What gives rise to our identity is a deeply rooted belief in your membership in your racial group: you cannot be without it just as it cannot be without you, especially if you fail to fulfill your duty. Men are born as soldiers and women are born as incubators and through the cooperation of these two fundamental elements of the race, the race can assert itself in the worldwide competition for resources and living space. Pointing to unique genes does not reverse demographic trends, believing in an identity, god, religion, spirituality, etc. that results in the calling to arms and successful carving out of your own space to live inside of unadulterated as a race does. A “right” is an abstraction that relies on all parties honoring it; the foreign races do not honor our “right” to exist, so it is our duty to fight for our existence.


>inb4 muh esoterics

you understand that niggers have a genetic future living in mudhuts, so go have some babies for these dumbass computers of ours to be worth anything in the future.

8d91de  No.11691909

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File: a37abbd61858aef⋯.gif (76.5 KB, 909x617, 909:617, Mapa genético de Europa.gif)

File: b301522d3d41235⋯.jpg (53.45 KB, 763x537, 763:537, europevariation.jpg)

8d91de  No.11691910


Thanks for the contribution friend.

4d4405  No.11691985

File: c33f5dd5e833751⋯.jpg (164.06 KB, 962x869, 962:869, 36AB019600000578-3711040-i….jpg)


A small contribution from me but it's all I have at the moment. Pic is a DNA map of Britain. It may be useful for anyone of British heritage who is trying to calculate their heritage or anyone wanting to know about the genetic make up of the Brits, for instance. British here refers to Anglo-Saxon, i.e. Germanic. The Orcadians are the most distinct genetic group with about 1/4 of their Genome being Norwegian. The Welsh have the most original Briton DNA of any group and are the second most distinct group. Cornish people have DNA that is more English than Celtic and register as English on some DNA tests. Scotland, Ireland and Wales are the true Celtic groups of Britain and are grouped together taxonomically by some scientists.

51de7f  No.11691996


>pushing lies and complete misinformation

>implying you have corrected non jewish approved data

How very kike of you OP

4d4405  No.11691997


Unknown here includes Scandinavian and Iberian, btw.

18bacc  No.11692003


>back to leddit faggot where you get banned for even mentioning these studies.

The issue isn't mentioning studies, it's that people here will cherrypick whatever suits their worldview best and anybody who says otherwise must be a jew shill.

1804ed  No.11692006

Why can't brown haired brown skinned brown eyed Italians admit they're not uber aryans? nobody is but they seem to get the most butthurt.

40bdfa  No.11692033


>I've grown tired of all these LARPERs pushing foundless narratives.

What? You mean you don't appreciate the time and effort LARPers put into trying to convince /pol/ that whites - all whites - descend from a lost tribe of Israel that went north and thus the *bible jews were white? Well OP, that is wrongthink, if I interpret the rules appropriately. You just can't appreciate this bold attempt to get /pol/ to appreciate the bible and yearn to own the jew label. I bet you hear the phrase, We wuz jews n sheeit and roll your eyes.

*Amongst all other failures to prove their LARP is real, they can never explain the exact moment the "bible jews" became the jewsjews

e652d7  No.11692046



Not even Italian, but what the fuck does that even mean? They're native of Europe, that's all that matters, the whole "Aryan" nonsense is bullshit pushed by kikes to imply that Hitler cared about that. As attractive as blonde hair and blue eyes are that has nothing to do with racial purity.

Also, the claim that Nordics are unquestionably the best of the European people is also laughably idiotic. As cool as their ancient history was, I can say that Italians have contributed 10x more to the greatness of Western civilization than any Nordic country.

8d91de  No.11692075

File: f29f6d76ee21f1c⋯.png (170.81 KB, 400x288, 25:18, Goodbye cruel world.png)


I apologize to my LARPer overlords, please, spit on my face for not being a Blonde Blue Eyed Ultra Zionist Ubermesnch.


This. But without the Infighting angle, we should all be proud of our own ancestry and the fact that they've remained mostly untouched by outside forces. This has been proven time and time again.

8d91de  No.11692100


Learn to spell TORfag, and prove your claim that TALKING ABOUT FUCKING GENETICS is now a Jewish psyop.

744320  No.11692138

File: 87c1141181c1d83⋯.png (45.65 KB, 501x658, 501:658, rassenzweige 1.PNG)

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The studies are numerous and all corroborate. I don't see much cherrypicking potential here.


>the whole "Aryan" nonsense is bullshit pushed by kikes

holy shit you need to read some books

>I can say that Italians have contributed 10x more to the greatness of Western civilization than any Nordic country.



I wonder what a "non-jewed" PCA would look like.

e652d7  No.11692171


>the whole "Aryan" nonsense is bullshit pushed by kikes

>holy shit you need to read some books

Lol, which books? Ones written by Jewish authors? It's based on hearsay accounts of Mein Kampf and Hitler's speeches, hoping that nobody will bother to read/listen to them without a purposely fucked up translation by the Chosen.

>I can say that Italians have contributed 10x more to the greatness of Western civilization than any Nordic country.


Your own pic proves me right, nigger.

4d4405  No.11692188


rekt but you're wrong about the aryan stuff. that's been proven by modern and recent genomics science.

e652d7  No.11692207


What is aryan and why does it matter? Seriously, it's Jewish propaganda.

8d91de  No.11692209


This, the Aryan stuff is real, but it's only a part of Europe's genetic whole makeup.

4d4405  No.11692219

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indo-european. it matters because it's a significant part of our history.

educate yourself.

8d91de  No.11692225


This, Indo-Europeans are a huge part of our genetic make-up, some people protest that those that have less Indo-European are lesser Europeans (They conveniently make an exception with certain Nordic countries, but you know why that is), and that's just wrong, as Neolithic farmers are also a big part of what makes us European.

e652d7  No.11692248


We're talking about two different things. The scientific term, Aryan (as in proto-European) which were an ancient peoples that exist in various degrees in Europe, Asia and North Africa. That is a very important part of where we come from. But the Jewish propaganda term "Aryan" as in very fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes… and the supposed "pure Aryans" being the Nordics.

But Italians actually have more Aryan admixture than the fucking Nordics. In fact, even Syrians are more Aryan than Swedes.

8d91de  No.11692258


You didn't adress my question Shlomo, how the fuck is a genetics discussion a jewish psyop? Sage for off topic

4d4405  No.11692266


perhaps clarify exactly what you're discussing next time.

744320  No.11692311


>Lol, which books?

Lanz von Liebenfels in the Ostara newsletters, Arno Rüge, Rudolf Steiner, Hans F.K. Günther, just to name a few.

>It's based on hearsay accounts of Mein Kampf and Hitler's speeches

you are not educated enough to participate on this forum, leave

>Your own pic proves me right, nigger.

<I cannot read and think that Germany and Britain are not of nordic stock

just gas yourself


>more Aryan admixture than the fucking Nordics. In fact, even Syrians are more Aryan than Swedes.


Review my picture on admixture proportions >>11691890 here.

e652d7  No.11692342


Now you're splitting hairs by calling Germany and Britain (much more Germanic than anything else) are Nordics because of some admixture. One could then consider some Brits to be Italian or Spanish to be Celtic. Then Italy is Nordic because they are partly Germanic.

I'm talking about the historical Nordic peoples: Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Sweden.

18bacc  No.11692343



See that's what I mean by cherry picking. Using research that is over a hundred years old because more recent studies aren't palatable. I'd argue that Cavelli-Sforza is a more up-to-date researcher in the field but since he said "race is hard to determine" he's not /pol/ approved. Instead people cling to a guy who believed in goddamn fairies.

b301ee  No.11692354

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.




Aryan as it applies to natsoc(Nazi) ideology is based on the ancient Indian histories of a people known by them at the time as Aryans, who were not "white euros" at all. At the time secret societies were in fashion among the upper elite and many joined for either "spiritual" or material benefit.

>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky

>aleister crowley

So those 2 heavily influenced and shaped the German brotherhood "research" society where many elites of business and society gathered and formed the OTO(Ordo Templi Orientis) this is still like 20-30 years before Hitler. The same people creating those secret societies were also influential in there politics and eventually formed the Nazi party and because of the original groups the Nazis were part of the Aryan and mystic attributes became part of the party, at higher levels. But this all came from the pursuing of "light" through freemasonry, in the USA freemasonry was already and still is very entrenched. at that time (1890s -1930, up to the 60s) eugenics and racial purity was being pushed and practiced in the USA with sterilization of 3x criminal offenders, retards, blacks and Hispanics being sterilized and experimented on with vaccines. Hitler was the product of these groups and his philosophy was in line with them at the same time he was funded by people controlling those groups, Rockefellers, Dupont, Ford, Rothchilds (they did Ransom a Rothchild for 20 million $ I believe it was but that was a ruse to get more funding) Israel was created by the Rothchilds and royalty of England who cooperated with Hitler to export Jews to the new land, which has to do with British Zionism and the black nobility. If you want to look into that part it had to deal with the Pope and Rome

>the Black Nobility had existed for centuries, originating in the Baronal class of Rome and in the powerful families who moved to Rome to benefit from a family connection to the Vatican.

Most of everything going on is a civil war in Rome with the Caesar (pope)

The wiki on black nobility is actually pretty good


Here's a video that goes into good detail, if there's a better one then plz post it but this information is the best I've found outside of my own reading. Don't take shit answers from /pol , most are just as biased and retarded as CNN or that shit

e36b1f  No.11692366

File: 76bba833e6a6ee4⋯.jpg (377.36 KB, 1600x960, 5:3, Luke Skywalker.jpg)

8d91de  No.11692371

File: a37b5adc5297d36⋯.gif (840.49 KB, 168x217, 24:31, OK.gif)

744320  No.11692389


>I'm talking about the historical Nordic peoples: Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Sweden.

<lets conveniently forget where the fuck the name "Anglo" and "Saxon" come from

this is gross


I posted old charts you dumb kike.

Are you actually surprised that they could only approximate without the genes back in 1930?

Carleton Coon's work is superior to the book where I sourced those charts from in terms of accuracy as viewed from today. At the time there were many holes in the story that had to be tentatively bridged and one explanation was as good as the next at the higher levels. They had only just found Troy as well in 1868.


The Vedas were written by Cro Magnon, who can be identified as the original Aryan.

b301ee  No.11692391













Watch now that I've posted actual info this thread will be sunk to page 3 in a few minutes. Always happens. Especially if you start citing law that verifies constitutional rights, explaining the 14th amendment and state citizen vs US citizen

b301ee  No.11692407

File: 5945940d4d05153⋯.jpg (292.9 KB, 957x957, 1:1, 20180508_225426.jpg)


How can cromag be original Aryan?

>Slid here though worm hole

>Lost timer

>Skinned grapes are a left over of cultural impression of the eye eaters

ef2591  No.11692426

File: 7c4e186c848bf6a⋯.jpeg (77.25 KB, 875x379, 875:379, BD9F78E2-0C2B-4DEC-BB42-D….jpeg)

Interesting fact about Armenians they haven’t been admixed since ancient European hunter gatherers. After the major collapse of civilizations they remained isolated.

744320  No.11692440


When do you think someone will undertake the task of making sense of all of this?

They seriously need to make 3d charts where you've got the PCA dimensions on the x and y and the date of the genetic signature find on the z so that you can visualize when what spawned where. It should be pyramid shaped in my estimation since hybrids are in between the two parent racial groups on PCAs, so that as time increases, increasingly localized maximums spawn that look like a mountain range.

18bacc  No.11692450


>Cro Mag


<12000 years ago

<First recorded writing from 1000 BCE

Sure thang

b301ee  No.11692457


Probably because their area was a bit more isolated and gay to get to, low outlying resources around them probably was a barrier until ppl could bring in supplies and protection. They have hills and water so they could probably defend against anyone with a smaller army or band

edb9ea  No.11692468

File: b00e645c39e6156⋯.jpg (171.17 KB, 779x634, 779:634, 1507951065296.jpg)


>let's be honest /pol/ isn't the best place to discuss anything related to science.

That wasn't always the case. In 2015 this place had quality scientific discussion, and pre-/pol/harbor /pol/ had space elevator threads. Too bad all the normalfag cuckservatives came here and dragged their dirty feet with jonestein tier anti-scientific narratives typical of the straw opposition in America. It's actually one of the things pushed by actual cointelpro shills, to demoralize and drive away anybody with a background in the hard sciences.


You're falling into the same intellectual trap that late 19th/early 20th century European colonialists fell into, ascribing some sort of deeper meaning and manifest destiny to genetics. I get the ideological reasoning - the necessity of a mythos to bind and guide the in-group - but in practice supremacism leads to complacency and bona fide purity spiralling as opportunists use any excuse to undermine their peers and superiors to advance through the ranks, while the enemy can easily dismantle your assertions with empirical evidence.

It's a tactic that didn't work the last time around, you need to adapt if you want to succeed. Just like anybody else.

b301ee  No.11692472


Nigga why do you think all ppl applying for citizenship to US have a biometrics reading, all blood drawn has samples sent to government genetics labs and it's categorized, all new born babies have blood sent out.

>Public use of technology is 30 years behind at best

> "Targeted genetic medicine" is already developed, it wouldn't be used unless there was no cross infection which means specific DNA can now be targeted in the genetic web without accidently killing all mulattos when you want to kill all blacks ect

edb9ea  No.11692500


You'd need genetic data from generations that are long, long dead to get anything meaningful from such an endeavour. As it is, we can already clearly see the major divisions and can infer the topology of their family tree by following individual markers.

Regardless, if you did a 3-dimension PC plot by generation and connected parents to children you'd end up with something that looks like a bunch of wires strung out from an original loom and forming rope-like branches going more or less parallel to each other (diverging very slowly) with the occasional interconnects and offshoots.

edb9ea  No.11692505


>hehey goyim check this compelling narrative! Don't you want to feel super duper special?

Take your meds, feds

744320  No.11692547


Stop being so damn obtuse. Obviously Cro Magnon spread across the world.


You're thinking too much like a jew. A well crafted myth of supremacy results in resource acquisition, lebensraum, and a large amount of children.

Also if you read what I wrote you'd understand that I'm not using genetics to justify shit.


>genetic weapons

the jews tried and failed because they're too much like the Palestinians (genetically speaking)


I wasn't thinking parent/child, the time axis would be measured in centuries and we would go from archeological find to archeological find instead of from generation to generation. Would be a neat chart to look at for sure.

b301ee  No.11692561

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But have you read anything about it? Why don't you read the supreme Court of the US dredd Scott vs Sanford opinion like, heres an embed.

This will give you a feeling of the mentality of the white public at the time

Everything I said is factual and can be looked up by you. Just look at actual sources, read some books from the time or before.

Don't be a retarded parroting nigger, learn some shit from something besides memes

edb9ea  No.11692612


> A well crafted myth of supremacy results in resource acquisition, lebensraum, and a large amount of children.

Show me one fucking example of this happening. The best crafted mythos to ever exist was still overpowered by sheer industrial might and resulted in the rape, occupation and spiritual destruction of the people that subscribed to it.

>you're thinking too much like a jew

This is exactly what I am talking about. Idiots like you get carried away and think that if you close your eyes and wish hard enough you'll win. You shout down anybody urging prudence, caution, or proper planning and preparation as a coward and a traitor.

You think this has never happened before? Arrogant, overconfident fools have been losing otherwise easily winnable wars since time immemorial. Sure, sometimes fortune favours the bold. But it favours those who stack the cards in their favour even more. WW2 itself is an example of this - the proud Prussian warrior aristocracy thought they would carry all before them and squandered their only tentative shot at winning the war by diverting Barbarossa from its original targets in the Caucasus to Moscow.

You need to acknowledge the possibility of defeat if you are to prevent it.

edb9ea  No.11692636


>I wasn't thinking parent/child, the time axis would be measured in centuries and we would go from archeological find to archeological find instead of from generation to generation. Would be a neat chart to look at for sure.

What information would be gained? You'd just end up with a bunch scattered of dots roughly interpolating the path from the original divergence of human groups to the current location of of the cluster.

744320  No.11692640


>Show me one fucking example of this happening.

Hitler's Germany had a great start at solving this problem. You're acting like all is said and done already and that's not true. Also don't forget that the British Empire survived industrialization just fine and it wasn't until they trusted your tribesmen that they went down fighting on the wrong side in both world wars.

>wish hard enough you'll win

Where did I advocate that?

Battle for my race is ancestor worship in applied form.

>urging prudence, caution, or proper planning and preparation

you aren't doing that asshole.

>You need to acknowledge the possibility of defeat if you are to prevent it.

shlomo, in your mind you just want me to think I've already lost so that I won't even try.


Neat visual representation since all the information right now is strewn across 30+ studies (of the ones since 2015).

264d1e  No.11692719

Anyone got the chart showing nog accomplishment/intelligence is barely affected by upbringing/education and is still below poor whites?

Also the one showing nog genedick relation to ourselves.

PS: Please add links ITT for these charts to the normiesphere as you find them.

744320  No.11692721

File: 17a407c9a5c27f4⋯.jpg (70.56 KB, 572x532, 143:133, african non african geneti….jpg)

File: 091f290e78473a9⋯.png (967.99 KB, 962x2073, 962:2073, debunking socioeconomics m….png)


classic PCA attached below

264d1e  No.11692775


Thank you.

Time to start sorting out that image folder.

b301ee  No.11692869


just as predicted

436a30  No.11692958



Keep using your "progressive" jew-speak, hooknosers. It makes you easier to filter

aa401d  No.11693319

Can we get an OP that isn't a fucking faggot to make a thread?

aa401d  No.11693325


>why won't a dindu admit anything

Lurk more.

aa401d  No.11693328

File: f689c6d20c6425c⋯.jpg (486.06 KB, 760x1024, 95:128, Just a Nigger.jpg)

f41115  No.11693453


I still think I1 is Elves/Israelites and that's why that shill posted his disinfo campaign on every board.

d13562  No.11694097



>neither Slavic nor German


who makes this retarded shit up?

7e455f  No.11698711


>Anon the I1 Haplogroup are the Scandanavian Hunter Gatherers.

Modern Scandi's are descended from something that brought agriculture to that region sometime after 2000bc.


ca08d4  No.11698727


Proto Indo Europeans?

They brought agriculture, metal, and horse riding to most of europe

d85e67  No.11700288

File: 9b64e09d7b304e9⋯.png (721.51 KB, 694x714, 347:357, 50d485ca747e31f8b280651f42….png)

File: 068051f8dc8323b⋯.png (195.28 KB, 1600x1538, 800:769, e4eb96944f7cdd43f01a9d61e7….png)

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>I still think I1 is Elves/Israelites


While Scandinavians are heavily I1, I hesitate to assume that unadmixed I1s were the same as present day admixed (I1/R1a/R1b) Scandinavians. I am curious about the distance between I1 and R1a/R1b… Also, I am curious if I1 was among proto-Indo-European (R1a and R1b) tribes. Lots of questions.

If unadmixed I1s look like modern day Scandinavians then that suggests that the assertion that I1/Western European Hunter Gatherers were darker skinned, with dark hair and blue eyes is questionable. Moreover, that implies that blue eyes did not develop in the Caucasus, where R1a/R1bs would have been, probably. I think it is possible I1/R1a/R1b may have been rolling together and admixing for 10,000 years or more.

065b8f  No.11701206


Keltic history has been swept under a rug to make it look like nothing happened in Europe before Rome and Greece. You're right about the metallurgy, the big thing keeping the northerners (both the true Nords and the Kelts) back from empire was that they hadn't figured out agriculture in the way the Romans or Greeks had.

>Those countries earn their existence to Germanics who made them.

owe their existence* just to keep your english up

>a high number of Semites

jews are incapable of creating by themselves, they can only parasitize

edb9ea  No.11701345


>shlomo, in your mind you just want me to think I've already lost so that I won't even try.

No, nigger, I want you to fucking understand that you're not a demigod, your genetics do not give you divine favour and other races are still a very real threat. Instead of baseless overconfidence you should make concrete plans and take deliberate action, taking the enemy into account. Whites can lose wars against shitskins, never forget this. The fact that you somehow interpret this as me telling you to "not even try" is just evidence that you're suffering cognitive dissonance.

775a88  No.11701358

File: 3de0f8046aed938⋯.png (10.58 KB, 342x293, 342:293, your post.png)


Leave him. Do you honestly think you can reason with someone who throws buzzwords around at the slightest deviation from his insanity? This is what happens when you let in redditors unchecked and give a roach with a chip on his shoulder the banhammer.

4006df  No.11701362


>Whites can lose wars against shitskins, never forget this.

That's right. For every Zulu there is the possibility of a Zulu Dawn.

9e39dc  No.11701420


I don't even care. Anyone retarded enough to think it's ok to go to a black doctor might deserve it.

8d91de  No.11701558

File: b9b564383eccab1⋯.png (195.02 KB, 643x537, 643:537, Look at (You)!.png)


>We germandicks did everything yo!

065b8f  No.11701608

File: 53fe998e868f2ff⋯.png (208.23 KB, 686x798, 49:57, SNPs in mexico full.PNG)


>who were far more sophisticated had better tech and architecture

They can have that without managing to understand the logistics of empire. Kinda gay that the Kelts never rose up to form their own empire but it was probably just too cold for it to be possible back then.


oh right


>your genetics do not give you divine favour and other races are still a very real threat.

My genetics make me divine by my thinking and carrying of that notion. My race is my god and I'm part of its earthly incarnates. Of course the other races are still threats and that's what I'm here for as a male incarnation: a soldier of my genepool.

>Instead of baseless overconfidence

You're talking to someone that has nukes. You need to understand the nature of power.

The only one stuck in some dogmatic thought that we are way in over our heads and don't realize the threat of the foreign races is you. We know they exist, we know that they are an existential problem, lets start coming up with solutions. Stop trying to demoralize by chipping away at the new moral and religious foundations we have to build to unite the White.


$0.02 has been deposited into your account.


>he doesn't know that the tribe that spawned Rome belonged to the Hallstatt culture.

Yeah we literally did.

6f2cd0  No.11701658


>Whites can lose wars against shitskins, never forget this.

We forgot how to engage in tribal warfare. Sure, a white nation would almost always btfo anyone else in a conventional engagement, tech has widened the gap so much that it's not even a competition at this point, but that's not out fight. It's an insidious undermining of our countries, jews inducting them and poisoning our lives with their indolence.

It doesn't matter that they can't shoot, in a better world they never would've even had guns. It's a low level tribal war that we're not even fighting.

12dfcc  No.11715928


I never liked that 3rd pic, it is definitely cherrypicking on a specific timeframe with an unstated definition of significant figures or events.

I mostly disagree with the top right pic, they make their claims for a couple centuries and then extrapolate to pre-Christ years. They ignore that all technological advances is incremental and some significant events are more significant than others and enable others to happen, such as parchment, mathematics, irrigation, roads, philosophy, architecture.

A sort of tech tree view would be more enlightening than a non-defined number of significant people/events.

0312a0  No.11715994


The data is misleading.

The problem is that the Yamnaya weren't a genetic isolate. The Yamnaya had farmer-like ancestry, and some northern Eurasian populations had Yamnaya like ancestry. This is why Finland have so much "Yamnaya" ancestry, despite not even being Indo-European. The Sami are found to have very high levels of "Yamnaya", in fact the Sami are found to have some of the highest levels of "Yamnaya" in the entirety of Europe. This "Yamnaya" ancestry being so high in the Sami makes it clear that the data is actually counting lappoid as Yamnaya.

The Yamnaya were R1b, and the Corded Ware were R1a. The Fins, the Scandinavians and Sami are largely I1a and Nc populations.

The truth is that the Celtic nations of the British Isles have the most direct Yamnaya ancestry, followed by the English who have a bit less due to small amounts of non-anglo-saxon continental gene input, i.e., the Normans and viking raids.

d018b6  No.11716215


>it is definitely cherrypicking on a specific timeframe with an unstated definition of significant figures or events.


Charles Murray spends the first 80 pages of the book laying out his method and preempting criticisms. Go read Human Accomplishment before spouting such dumb shit.

>they make their claims for a couple centuries and then extrapolate to pre-Christ years.

stop, go read the book

>ignore that all technological advances is incremental

Murray literally addresses this in the book and his answer is that, if he were to include all the small incremental events leading up to big revolutions, the European number of achievements would shoot through the roof. He was forced to reduce his sample size (despite having way more data) in order to give the non-whites a fighting chance of the graphs. He states that for every non-western (including Chinese/Indian/Japanese) achievement you include, you also have to include another 10 European achievements. His massaging of the data hypes up non-western achievement as much as possible without being dishonest or a blatant lie.

>A sort of tech tree view would be more enlightening than a non-defined number of significant people/events.

I hope that one day you will realize that there is a "tech tree" in Europe: scientists and geniuses are made up of genes that are unique to Whites, it seems. Where you have Whites, you have science going places (as evidenced by the "Rest of the West" category after colonial expansion).

tl;dr go read the book and quit mouthing off

also >(1) i think you're a kike anyway


>The Yamnaya had farmer-like ancestry

I don't think thats been proven yet. We don't know what the Yamnaya are.

Your theories about Finland are stumpy and stupid because you refuse to distinguish the Sami from the Europeans (Nords and East Baltids), so I will just ignore that until you rephrase it to actually assert something that can't be misconstrued later on to fit your argument.

871d82  No.11716221

File: 48ea127c64db3b2⋯.jpg (48.86 KB, 400x508, 100:127, Sansid.jpg)


>not a statue or sculpture or temple or even a half decent drawing found in 'german' lands for thousands of years

>now they're trying to steal credit for the renaissance

>tuscanny (home of the etruscans, birthplace of the renaissance) has the smallest german imprint in all of italy

>the absolute state of wewuz artists and scupltors

then again, i work in the visual arts industry and it's self evident where the talent lays, even today

0312a0  No.11718721


> I don't think thats been proven yet. We don't know what the Yamnaya are.

The Yamnaya, on the male side, were R1b Europeans from the Eastern European Steppes. On the maternal side they were derived from local women from the European Steppes, as well as foreign brides from the Caucasus. This Caucasus ancestry is the source of the farmer-like ancestry.

>Your theories about Finland are stumpy and stupid because you refuse to distinguish the Sami from the Europeans (Nords and East Baltids)

The Sami have genetic ties to Europeans. Sami, Fins and Scandinavians share some kind of North Eurasian ancestry that appears Yamnaya-like in the data. This pseudo-Yamnaya ancestry exists in I1a and N1c populations. The pseudo-Yamnaya peaks in the Sami and the Lapland, but also exists in Southern Scandinavia, Finland and some Baltic people. Almost the entirety of the Sami's "Yamnaya" ancestry is probably derived from this pseudo-Yamnaya ancestry, whereas the Indo-European Scandinavians' Yamnaya ancestry is derived from a mixture of direct Yamnaya and this pseudo-Yamnaya.

0312a0  No.11718862


Before accusing Murray of a certain bias, you should be aware that Murray wrote this book with a presumptive east Asian bias - certainly not a bias towards "nords" or anything. Murray, being fixated on IQ, thought that an examination of history would reveal that east Asians - with their 5 IQ point advantage over Whites - would have contributed far more than people thought. Murray even has two half-Asian children, probably because he thought mixing with Asians would improve the IQ of his children.

Given this, it's unlikely that the work was "cherrypicked", as it went against what he set out to prove, and he was likely somewhat disappointed with the results, but in the name of science, still published his book.

dbeb97  No.11719138


You're new to it right? J2 is PIE. I/J split approximately 40k years ago.

24306b  No.11719158

who /i2bull/ here?

99d2e3  No.11719405


>But Italians actually have more Aryan admixture than the fucking Nordics. In fact, even Syrians are more Aryan than Swedes.

Stop talking.

99d2e3  No.11719455


>Aryan as it applies to natsoc(Nazi) ideology is based on the ancient Indian histories of a people known by them at the time as Aryans, who were not "white euros" at all.

Thanks for the (nazi). We don't know what NS is. I know it's depressing that a foreign conqueror created your entire civilisation pajeet but the debate has been settled.

99d2e3  No.11719480



e8c408  No.11722148

File: d5d0c8853021963⋯.jpg (36.95 KB, 479x800, 479:800, d5d0c8853021963053fd4103b2….jpg)


yeah thats pretty sound stuff. Right about where we are.


>it's unlikely that the work was "cherrypicked"

its a juggling act no question though. Trying to do the same thing he criticizes all the marxist authors of in the first few pages ("books that downplay Western accomplishment" and "emphasize non-Western accomplishment"), he settles on a criterion that up-plays non-white achievement. I'm glad that he admitted that for every non-white achievement you add, another 10 White ones flood in.


Do not forget the legendary Arno Breker.

8d91de  No.11722182

File: 1c9e0fc8710889c⋯.jpg (39.9 KB, 599x585, 599:585, 1c9e0fc8710889c57a84282e55….jpg)

File: 1edd65ddba43d47⋯.jpg (110.13 KB, 1000x565, 200:113, Renaissance_Painter_El_Gre….jpg)


>Other than da Vinci, Caravaggio, and Columbo, I can't think of a mediterranean artist of any real significance. Mostly copycats. Maybe Raphael and Michelangelo, or Gaudí.

Holy shit, there's so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to start. Maybe with the fact that Rococo was started in France, and don't go telling me now that the French are all Germanics too. Not to mention that you're conveniently forgetting movements like the Renaissance which was created in Italy, not to mention, the number of artists you've listed are minuscule compared to the real number of artists from southern Europe. Such as Greco, Velazquez, Goya, Dalí, Miró, Picasso, etc.

8d91de  No.11722189

File: 1fd89c94c9fda84⋯.gif (469.71 KB, 200x200, 1:1, 1fd89c94c9fda84694fcc9a484….gif)


And another thing, you fucking disgust you piece of shit, stop with the fucking "We Wuz" Garbage, stop stealing credit from other people's just to feel better about yourself, stick to your own fucking history and leave everyone else alone, you fucking cultural LEECH. You disgust me.

8d91de  No.11722195

File: 628453dbbaa77ed⋯.jpg (51.07 KB, 404x300, 101:75, sistine-chapel-404_680767c.jpg)


Oh and one more thing, are you gonna take credit for the 16th chapel now, you fucking disgusting kike? Kill yourself, you complete degenerate.

8d91de  No.11722226

File: 07a940a6a7d1f7d⋯.jpg (155.94 KB, 1024x923, 1024:923, 07a940a6a7d1f7d72de62be0a7….jpg)


Please, indulge me, please Mister Masterace, tell me why my people are inferior to yours and how I should lick your fucking boots whenever you invade another fucking Genetics thread to devalue all other Europeans by taking credit of their accomplishments. PLEASE, LET ME HEAR IT. Like Hitler did with the Jews, I'm growing to hate all these fucking Germandicks.

8d91de  No.11722237

File: d5ca576e18b3ba3⋯.png (585.99 KB, 637x510, 637:510, d5ca576e18b3ba3ded50948619….png)

Oh wait! Now you're going to tell me I'm Germanic too! And you're going to show a map of Germanic expansion through Europe after the fall of Europe, completely ignoring our genetic differences. Then you're going to accuse me of D&C when your kind ARE ALWAYS TAKING CREDIT FOR SHIT YOU DIDN'T MAKE. So the ones D&C are your kind who are destroying any form of co-existence we've had over the years in this god forsaken board.

8d91de  No.11722334


Here it is: >>11722182

Now are you going to argue back or just call me a spic and pretend you're right?

c035e0  No.11722344


> You (19) are not butthurt at all obviously.

>Any arguments?

This anon >>11722182 you ignored, for starters, though you debate in bad faith or are retarded so what's the point?

e6283f  No.11722349



are you going to take credit for the 16th chapel???

every race has its greats ... 95% of us are turds that cant even meme right let alone make that level of art

neither of you could draw a strait line if I gave you a ruler

but white people do work harder and are more useful and better looking in general ... this is true

8d91de  No.11722374


Reminder that you said this:

>I can't think of a mediterranean artist of any real significance. Mostly copycats. Maybe Raphael and Michelangelo, or Gaudí.

Neither have I claimed Northen Art is bad, but that sentence was pretty inflammatory and really undervalues Southern European art and culture.

>I am sure you are aware that the Spanish and Portuguese are Celts.

I know, because I am Spanish, but Celt =/= Germanic.

8d91de  No.11722444

File: d9855dabaeb7597⋯.jpg (114.07 KB, 1017x678, 3:2, GUERRAS-CÁNTABRAS-2.jpg)


I come from Northen Spain and we have maintained our Celtic Identity, which is highly revered and respected and it's not just in our books, but in our ways and celebrations, that said, you can't put us all in one basket, since we've developed our own identity, we the Spanish are not just Celts, we're Celt-Iberians, not to mention that the other half of the peninsula is mostly descended from the Iberians that lived along the Mediterranean coast, with both halves meeting in the middle, with that union came the Spanish as we know them, at least a part of them.

8d91de  No.11722531

File: cd7345981a1d6d6⋯.jpg (142.54 KB, 601x524, 601:524, escanear0002.jpg)

File: a935c8e90a77380⋯.jpeg (389.48 KB, 1200x1800, 2:3, 1200px-Spain.Santander.Es….jpeg)

File: cd7345981a1d6d6⋯.jpg (142.54 KB, 601x524, 601:524, escanear0002.jpg)

File: 40601fbc60b4e9a⋯.jpg (39.44 KB, 500x716, 125:179, ojáncano.jpg)


I'm not Galician, the Galicians are not the only ones to be of Celtic ancestry, all the nearby regions have similar ancestries, only of different Celt-Iberian tribes.

Cantabrian tribe best tribe

72722d  No.11736018


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d43621  No.11736613

1. a European is a European, whoever says otherwise is not a European, if he was at one point then he loses the status for being a D&C propogator.

2. If a Mediman and Nordiman want to determine which one is more "superior", instead of LARPing or looking to history, they can go head to head and see which is more successful at performing particular skills.

9a6ce5  No.11736892

File: 603255077f89268⋯.png (235.63 KB, 1600x1538, 800:769, 2013_Lazaridis.et.al_euro-….png)

File: ee2e916ce4b1331⋯.pdf (11.56 MB, 20150210_Nature_Haak.Lazar….pdf)



>Nature volume 555, pages 197–203 (08 March 2018)

>116 +/- authors.


>Transfer Reprint to Nature volume 522, pages 207–211 (11 June 2015)


>Origin under BioRXiv 2013-DEC-23

>37 +/- authors.

More useful paper, for OP.

>Reich Lab, Harvard, Mass., USA



>MHAAM, Max Planck Institute, Germany





Piecemeal series of papers and collaborations. Leads are the usual suspects, getting worse. Funding focus by Harvard distorts all findings to focus on (((eastern Mediterranean))) for some time now, leading to predictable distortions that Asiatics were Caucus (variants: indoeuro, caucasian, judeogreco, judeochristian, hellenic-whatever, etc). Authors and funding parties continue to merge behind the scenes. Track Wolfgang Haak for more visibility of total USA-Germany-Austria publication focus (don't know the details, don't care, but that author keyword works well enough). Some photos provided above.

There are no saints here. These various assortments of megacultists are tracking "language" via genetics. Despite their makeup, they have made novel contributions earlier in the decade. They have since reduced acquiring new data, started limiting date ranges, have backed away from precision methods, and regressed staff (indo/arabs being granted lead positions, with predictable results of being even worse). Note the old haplo focus re-emerges from time to time, as it is: simpler, more manipulable in papers, need not account for age (ie multiple Caucus waves, out into the Asiatics and Africans), and is not required to integrate re-discovered deleted/fossil data.

That the room has made progress, given all the players in it, is astonishing. That players delete, and/or can't remember progress (falling back to "out of shitskin", etc), isn't. This is the level of the room: Language distortion, Haplo distortion, diversity staff, and no new -source- data this side of the decade (only re-hash, re-slice, re-publish, etc).

Note: Image is from 2013 publication, now harder to find.

c6fbd4  No.11737207


can you give more details or is that the whole story?

Also opinions on David Reich, Pontus Skoglund, and Iosif Lazaridis?

f8eb88  No.11737276

File: 8f96d61355e36a5⋯.jpg (12.88 KB, 249x179, 249:179, tfw_the_city_is_lost_and_n….jpg)


>from 1400

Wow! How fucking convenient!

873561  No.11737489

File: 09d940d44e2dfb6⋯.jpg (166.96 KB, 968x1024, 121:128, THE ARYANEST.jpg)

c31ee0  No.11737497

File: 650d4d7314a49be⋯.png (97.36 KB, 594x483, 198:161, 1522054737421.png)


Cymru am byth!

9a6ce5  No.11738295


>REQ: More detail.

That's about all; Searching around recents yields circles, ie no new data. Separately, I have no opinions on persons, only productions, and productions of data novelty are not present of late.

There were some algorithmic contributions to processing + new genome data (or availability) from multiple sources + something which suggested a new polymorphic loci set to focus on, all of which happened back in 2010-2013. I don't think it had anything to do with language, nor haplo groups/traits per se (those were stalled developments), rather these were from "back to the genome" data collaborations. Which were their strength: novelty. Results from these reached into 2014/2015.

But since then, either math, data, technique, or likely all three, have been coasting on that work. No new confluence of data, only strange non-novel 're-assortment'. Now, no more "low hanging fruit" for now would normally mean "back to work," but critical mass of those three areas are not coming together. So echos on the prior, easier paths are being done instead. Add to this more diversity entering the picture, and spamming (which are already over). It makes new works hard to spot, and it makes those who might care, find something else to do. So then, how do you peer in to works from this period, derive -who- did what, and then try to proof-track those? Seems like it won't overcome the essential confluence problem, so no tracking possible (certainly not with trust plummeting through spammers [grad and undergrad multicults], lower cohesion, etc).

As far as search terms go, DR and PS are for backtracking genomics insights, while others are for backtracking implementation (WH) and algorithms (IL). This is again production-analysis, not necessarily literal-person-analysis (ie the names are moreso "tokens" on all people and resources nearby). We'll see if another join-the-super-set of data (caucus migrations into southeast-asia-to-polynesian?) will reveal who actually mattered, but likely such is going to be heavily impeded without slashing the hopes and dreams of the perpetual professional student welfare workers that have risen up to occupy the space on this relatively new arm of gnome research.

Data moving out of the Caucus regions suffers from extensive deliberate deletions, both by communists (tribes and cannibals in denial) and States (govts trying to deny gibs) alike.

c6fbd4  No.11738359


>Data moving out of the Caucus regions suffers from extensive deliberate deletions, both by communists (tribes and cannibals in denial) and States (govts trying to deny gibs) alike.

big if true

sauce me up fam

3c5e66  No.11739002

File: 9a25fdd2c96cb6a⋯.png (59.21 KB, 700x508, 175:127, european_hunter-gatherer_a….png)


The first infographic is a bit confusing, I thought northern Europe had a higher percentage of WHG admixture? I personally am of British stock and have 34% WHG.

c6fbd4  No.11739515


Perhaps you aren't as English as you think you are.

3c5e66  No.11746257


According to the chart I posted, the average in Britain is around 40%.

87bcff  No.11746542

I'm a mix of Irish (25%), Polish (25%), and German (50%). I'm more German than most people in Germany, and whiter than most people in Europe.

ef38cb  No.11746784


What do you mean 'more German than most people in Germany [50%]'? I am 97% German and I am an American…with a remainder of 3% UK…but I always assumed that Germans were probably 'more German' than I am.

4dad28  No.11746867

File: ff7a1e8fe34877a⋯.jpg (33.68 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, maxresdefault.jpg)

>no italy at all


ef38cb  No.11747810



I probably can't be in your 'club' now, can I?

9fe596  No.11747905

idc, Keltics and Kelto-Nordids are Galatians, ancient Turks, the latter just having Saxon admixture.

ca08d4  No.11757979

File: 6f02e5d31f7a4f7⋯.jpg (412.22 KB, 1080x1824, 45:76, foto_no_exif.jpg)


Yamnaya = proto indoeuropean

ca08d4  No.11757992


Germany and Britan are not Nordic, they are Germanic. Each contain some noridc peoples and some Nordic admixture in the general population, but they are not Nordic.

The NSDAP policy was that Germany was composed of many types of whites.

c4a91a  No.11770707


salty masons, seems they are getting nervous

1d6b4d  No.11770872

>all this infighting

Can someone give me a more complete description/timeline/map of the history of europeans?

I mean all the mxings, were everyone came from and stuff

2b52af  No.11770900

>J is arabic/arabid

Every fucking time. What are even somalids and arabids?

Just let me tell you asshats that Y-DNA I and J are the cro magnon line which split around 40k years ago while J dominated the middle east and I europe. You fags should be able to take into account what couldve been the initial population before it got overrun by subhumans which now carry J.

2b52af  No.11770906


kek when j2 left the indus valley for anatolia then europe you bekieve they were arabs? Get that fake news spreader banned dudes

c349e7  No.11771018




And thinks every European is the descendant of Niggers.

Even though E Haplogroup, modern Africans, has no relation to A and B Haplogroups, the ancestors of our Khoisan brothers, thus establishing the possibility which I am still researching that other Haplogroups are not same.

c349e7  No.11771035


>modern arabic people with mostly j haplogroup are not europeans

>ancient european people with mostly j haplogroup are

This argument can be applied like this:

>You fags should be able to take into account what couldve been the initial population [of Europe] (Africans) before it got overrun by subhumans which now carry R/I (Europeans).

See where this is going ?

d85e67  No.11772542

File: 6eebb27cb3a00b8⋯.png (72.61 KB, 720x800, 9:10, 9176774a0d1af3146aba9d72a0….png)

File: 19dca4d6d405754⋯.gif (94.15 KB, 720x800, 9:10, b20b8ca1c0a6c64d1494622004….gif)

File: 7339b6690032b62⋯.png (104.84 KB, 1066x1052, 533:526, 009dd2741927eb8f94dba9be73….png)

File: f1182686cc61516⋯.jpg (606.98 KB, 1440x2396, 360:599, f1182686cc61516ca671a1befe….jpg)


>Can someone give me a more complete description/timeline/map of the history of europeans?

>I mean all the mxings, were everyone came from and stuff

A really short, uncited version:

~40,000YA (years ago) - European early modern human/Cro-Magnon is known to be in Europe doing his thing. Hunting, gathering, developing some monolithic cultures, who knows. Killing neanderthals? Where did these guys come from? We really don't know. I've read theories of them coming from every continent. Whatever, this is our starting point for now. The predominant Y-haplogroup remaining from this period are I1 (Scandinavia) and I2 (Balkans). There were others around this time, but mostly gone.

~15,000-20,000 YA - Farmers roll in from Anatolia. They were mostly G and J. G is pretty much gone now. J has fairly low representation.

~5,000-10,000 YA - Proto-Indo-Europeans roll in, having apparently made their way from Siberia over the preceding 20,000 years or so. PIE are R1a (Eastern European) and R1b (Western European). They dominate in both. It's not all so simple. There is evidence, for example, of R1b being in Europe before the major waves. I also wonder if I1 rolled with those PIE people at some point before they got to Europe.

tl;dr European early modern humans mixed with Anatolian farmers who eventually mixed with PIE people from North Asia/Siberia.

This could all be wrong, but it is roughly the main accepted theory 'round these parts. Some anon, feel free to call me a giant faggot and toss out 10,000 autistic citations to prove me wrong. Really, I don't mind learning if my VERY BROAD overview is totally off the mark.

d85e67  No.11776619

File: f1a4fe7b1714a35⋯.jpg (601.55 KB, 1061x643, 1061:643, 28be0b5e01e124acea4e2c64f0….jpg)

File: d28a11673fcc473⋯.png (190.77 KB, 995x1163, 995:1163, malta-child-map.png)

File: 5a409901574651a⋯.png (207.23 KB, 1867x782, 1867:782, ModernEuropean.png)

File: 9249459d6b8ca1a⋯.jpg (119.89 KB, 1440x470, 144:47, ce62fdb56e90c4a4a7a76558ff….jpg)

File: efc63ca8d0e39ae⋯.png (46.76 KB, 1650x504, 275:84, 220b480d2de7d510443e55a40a….png)


None of that is my OC, anon. But these infographics did help me to get a grasp on population genetics. I should say, I actually went in and started reading the journal articles, not just reading memes. But the pics gave me the basis to understand what's going on in the papers.


> I wish that J2 thread was still up

Didn't realize that one slid, dang. Have some more non-OC, anon. third pic is OC this time

d39c9f  No.11793083


I like it how Romanias got an island of their own.

95b42e  No.11809570


>first pic

how is italy not on there? should be fairly close to spain and france, no?

d3b60a  No.11809676

File: 7e2b8fd1ce6021e⋯.png (112.85 KB, 826x792, 413:396, EuroDNA.PNG)


Its called op is a fag and uses resorts to even y haplogroups to deduct anything, massive faggotry. Dumb and amateur.

262992  No.11834439


HungAryan master race

4af9e9  No.11838204

File: e8a2421fdb11c59⋯.jpg (8.82 KB, 290x174, 5:3, images(6).jpg)


>European genetics bread

>Not including the greatest european country

8d91de  No.11872082

File: 4b40c54f7981420⋯.png (688.5 KB, 890x656, 445:328, Listen here....png)


What the fuck is that thing? It arbitrarily choses what is a white and what is a bastard white, fuck out of here with that weak shit.


>Bastard whites

>One of the purest european groups

8d91de  No.11872090

You know, this thread was actually a mistake.

179474  No.11875392


Well look at this Jew shill.

edbcae  No.11894250

What about the homo sapiens origin theories?

What's the relationship between modern jews, modern europeans, neanderthals, and cro magnons?

Every thread I've seen has contradictory answers.

036718  No.11894645


Albania, the whitest country of them all ?

036718  No.11894660

File: bdd6530b741a6c1⋯.jpg (53.17 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, mendel.jpg)


You're just angry someone told you to stop shoving things up your ass faggot.

b9c261  No.11922547


>durr nothing can be discussed her guys! Best to pack it in boys!

Fuck off

cd40e5  No.11922563


An innocuous post or two is bound to get wiped if the rest of someone’s IP is nothing but spam and the reports were for posts in other threads.

What flag was it? Just look in a list of flags.

23a288  No.11940282



>in the center of Aryans

Wait, WHAT

23a288  No.11940325

File: 36756133a80468a⋯.jpg (295.43 KB, 1000x902, 500:451, virgin vikings vs. chad ce….jpg)


>A Celt going full Nordicist

Oh wow, even when I shitpost I haven't gone that far

6f1d5f  No.11940432


One of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read here.

376ebf  No.11968798


Why are Slavs so distant?

c2ae13  No.11992508

Does anyone have a complete phylogenetic tree of all human haplogroups with the European ones highlighted?

c2ae13  No.11992515


Also do haplogroups used for cladistic classification have any significant phenotypical expression in humans?

c2ae13  No.11992530


>while the Greeks called them all "Gaul".

We actually called them "Galates".

4c5612  No.11992539

File: 5333128cfdf56a0⋯.jpg (1.21 MB, 3024x4032, 3:4, whoisbehindthisseat.jpg)



>4cuck dick thread with subliminal dick pic in OP

I wonder who could be behind this post?

c2ae13  No.11992595

File: c7911b73152dc94⋯.png (522.63 KB, 1832x991, 1832:991, J2(Y-DNA).png)


>third image

J2 is rarely found in North Africa (and only on it coastal side) or arab-speaking countries, its center of distribution is in the Caucasus and its expansion pretty much coincides with either the Alexandrine/Hellenistic era expansion or/and the eastern proto-IE (Greeks, Armenians, Indo-Iranians, Tocharians etc) migration.

Not saying it's White per se or not a sister haplogroup to araboids (aka semites), but it can be historically and genetically misleading to group it with them. Given kikes are among the leading "experts" on the field I'd suggest we keep a healthy amount of skepticism on the claim that J1 and J2 are closely related clades.

c2ae13  No.11992612


>J2 is "Arab/Bedouin".

Lol, no:


59f249  No.12018049

Does anyone has information on this thing i heard about genetic problems/inconsistency of mainstream understanding of ancient migrations theory?

58286f  No.12018063


>Romanian is nearly an outlier

Should I just end myself already?

58286f  No.12018067


The Assyrians have kept to themselves well too.

58286f  No.12018095

File: 579329b8c1d3904⋯.gif (560.84 KB, 320x200, 8:5, 1521730668453.gif)


Jesus the posts in this thread.

Esoteric is a word used as an adjective or noun to describe things that are known only to those in the know or who understand the "language" of it in a memetic sense.

/pol/'s meme's are esoteric in design.

edc528  No.12037889


7fe461  No.12038791


No. Colin and Mihai are Romanian and are some of the best people I know. The proximity maps are not as valuable as the actual haplogroups and haplotypes people are. You are genetically Southeast European and culturally Slavic or Balkic, depending on your preference. Interestingly, the chart aligns to the locations of Europeans.

Here is a good example of how inaccurate these proximity maps can be:


7fe461  No.12038892


No they didn't. The Romans failed at expanding into continental Europe until ~50bc when Caesar did so by assimilating Gauls into Roman culture and assimilating into Celtic culture over a decade, though he falsely wrote that he killed them all. The Gauls did slowly lose their cultural identity as Celtic over the following 2,000 years as jews replaced all culture with religion.

618137  No.12039161

File: 18fa72283db1c65⋯.png (348.38 KB, 438x475, 438:475, ClipboardImage.png)

if you're not nordic you're not white

411af1  No.12048550

File: 38e24db04eb4497⋯.png (670.37 KB, 1922x2277, 1922:2277, genetic-composition-UK.png)

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411af1  No.12048556

File: 5b43f7648e403b9⋯.jpg (399.26 KB, 946x765, 946:765, nature14230-f2.jpg)

File: e55a8a6ec49083c⋯.png (63.35 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_Northwest_European.png)

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File: a5d917020e3b01c⋯.png (61.18 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_French_German.png)

411af1  No.12048560

File: 60edc10acb78fe7⋯.png (59.75 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_Balkans.png)

File: 4b3c6bd9a5262e3⋯.png (59.77 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_Italian.png)

File: 6df2b4df13adaea⋯.png (59.87 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_Iberian.png)

File: 0abecdc73fe5bc9⋯.png (62.49 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_British_Irish.png)

File: 18800caa99880f5⋯.png (61.61 KB, 800x581, 800:581, 23andMe_Scandinavian.png)

411af1  No.12048591

File: ade6bda9cbb5668⋯.png (3.93 MB, 3741x3887, 3741:3887, 1455483169201-1.png)

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4d3ef8  No.12050045



>Human accomplishment

what the fuck

e66a20  No.12076067


so are bulgarians white according to these studies?

c20e9e  No.12076264

File: 6954ef52b8ab8e6⋯.jpg (33.16 KB, 638x424, 319:212, black sabbath.jpg)

Finnics, hungarians, basques… Not INDO-european.

5eea6a  No.12076335


You're a bit late to shill here.

b1e273  No.12076556

Does anyone have that picture or link where it says the genetic distance between Humans and negroids was something like .27 or .23 I forget then listed multiple different animal species as having a genetic difference of far less then questions how something further genetically removed isn't considered a different species?

f50d75  No.12096260


Yeah turns out the little bit of Hajnal line they got is enough to put them ahead of most of the world, kek.


sauces pls, especially on the big fat one with every race on the planet.

e9303f  No.12111432


I'll just bump up this thread

f135fd  No.12113260



774b22  No.12113283


you sound like you don't like opinions that are different from yours. ever tried reddit ? you can make a subreddit and ban anyone who doesn't agree with you !

e04724  No.12148202

File: 4d53136622eb2db⋯.png (2.04 MB, 2300x4600, 1:2, ANE-EHG.png)


EHG is not ANE+WHG

ANE is EHG+South-Central-Asian

62e78a  No.12179483


a33838  No.12185675

File: 764febd98ffabfa⋯.jpg (135.97 KB, 745x960, 149:192, 36772328_10156685694546802….jpg)


>They were mostly G and J

they were mostly G2a and I2a, there is literally only one J2 in neolithic Europe(Austria IIRC), which makes it less than 1% of the total

neolithic Anatolians themselves were mostly G2a, I2a, some C1a2

J2 is more recent, related to the spread of CHG ancestry not present or significant in neolithic_anatolia, already detectable in bronze age south-east Europe(J2 in bronze age Croatia and most importantly among Minoans and Mycenaeans in Greece)

I1 probably has a major role in the formation of proto-Germanic, considered by many to be a creole in order to explain its peculiarities

evidently the Funnelbeakers(???) didn't far as bad as one may have thought against the invading steppe folk

a33838  No.12185710

File: 3c0eb688b676b94⋯.jpg (140.78 KB, 758x967, 758:967, gr1.jpg)


second pic is a travesty, one cannot just overlap two first principal components of a PCA done on different datasets, the """zoomed""" part is a PCA of west Eurasia alone, its two first principal components can't capture "africanness" or "asianness", one cannot overlap them like so

fbb733  No.12185959

File: 9b5e2573a542536⋯.gif (14.96 KB, 999x500, 999:500, tVYUGeY.gif)

File: c93dcdc5570dc75⋯.jpg (79.64 KB, 991x375, 991:375, 35uDsIc.jpg)

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Can't find it right now.

4b5235  No.12186392

Amazing thread.

Any consensus or data about the indo-aryan invasion in india? Was they really white? When they became mixed?

I never buy the idea of indian knowledge from 1000 bc~400 ce being from shitskins, Siddartha itself was described as a blue eyed man with golden skin, cant fit in a modern indian guy.

fbb733  No.12186414


Indo European theory is fact based and strongly supported by multiple data sets.

Out of Africa (especially anything less than 50k years) has been contested and disproven by all science past and present, it is just bruteforced and repeated by the (((Media))).

ab8e3f  No.12193340


You mean anything less than 2 million years ago has been disproved.

Stone tools from 2.1m years ago have been unearthed in Shang Chen, 600km west of Shanghai.

Stone tools from 1.85m years ago have been found in Georgia and there have been a multitude of stone tool sites from 1.3m and 1.7m years ago all around the world.

These could have been from early humans such as Homo Erectus, but seeing as Homo sapiens (us) have been found from 300k years ago in Morocco.

If early humans and evidence of their habitations have been found globally, spanning millions of years. It is only a matter of time before the out of Africa meme is acknowledged by the (((media and Academia at large))) as a fantasy and a long purported lie.

959201  No.12193520


Yes, you are correct.

959201  No.12193526

File: e310d128c147215⋯.gif (99 KB, 501x585, 167:195, e310d128c147215e70d6702b99….gif)


> It is only a matter of time before the out of Africa meme is acknowledged by the (((media and Academia at large))) as a fantasy and a long purported lie.

dont hold your breath

think about this

kikes HATE us

5b466c  No.12193618

File: 0be393551b1bd59⋯.jpg (201.15 KB, 1000x750, 4:3, gaza Deuter 21 stone.jpg)



jews have hated everybody throughout history, without exception, and their holidays enshrine some of their hatreds.

They hated the Egyptians (Passover), the Persians (Purim), the Hellenic Greeks (Hanukah), the Visigoths of Spain, the Czar's Russians, the Germans, etc. Now jews live next to the Palestinians, and so hate them.

The jews even hate each other - ask any one of them who ever lived in Israel why they left the place.

18dc07  No.12193648


The first pic contains no useful information. It's literally a map of Europe with dots instead of borders. Why would you post stupid shit like that?

725bc8  No.12193671







Those are the books of the Torah, not the Christian Bible.

Those are not Christianity and therefore not God.

Those are the books of Ba'al and kikes are his children.

959201  No.12193703



its a map of two genetic components

get educated before you spout nonsense

07508f  No.12201930


The data I have seen from Kevin McDonald states that following:

1) PIEs- brown eyes and light skin

2) WHGs- blue eyes and tan skin

3) EEFs- Brown eyes and light skin (I wonder about this though)

4) SHGs- blue eyes and light skin (actual aryans?)

e374ad  No.12201973


So if your kid wont listen and continues to ruin his own life and by extension yours you should not kill him?

368a1c  No.12202104


Albanians listed as whiter than southern Italians; who made this?

505fe0  No.12206329


One EHG had blue eyes, the others were heavily mixed with WHG

Yamna was mixed with Caucasian HG and Iranian Neolithic (Who was CHG+South-Asian in closer look)>>12148202

Modern (North) Europeans have ~~0% DNA from CHG (North-West-Asian) or South-Asian

b8e7c9  No.12206929

File: 510e3dab5d49552⋯.png (41.28 KB, 724x313, 724:313, mathieson_pigmentation.png)

File: 5eae90df7f9b6c0⋯.png (133.38 KB, 1044x566, 522:283, hirisplex.png)


HERC2 = blue eyes

SLC = main white skin alleles

283547  No.12263188

File: 29a190b4c347dd4⋯.png (220.8 KB, 960x720, 4:3, India_dairy_consumption_ru….png)

File: 403c3316f0aa082⋯.png (220.87 KB, 960x720, 4:3, India_dairy_consumption_ur….png)

File: 29a6ab4944e556d⋯.jpg (37 KB, 600x440, 15:11, blue eyed brahmin.jpg)

File: 67cdb9d44f4f58f⋯.png (224.49 KB, 602x339, 602:339, gray eye indian woman.png)

File: 961df5e5a39f56b⋯.jpg (21.72 KB, 495x373, 495:373, punjab girl .jpg)


I find this hard to believe as it is there is a large body of literary and archaeological evidence that the original Hindu brahmins and kshatriyas (the priest and warrior castes, respectively) had blue eyes and possibly blond hair.

The ancient Hindu/sanskrit speaking culture is about as Indo-European as you can get; among the surviving IE languages, sanskrit is the closest to PIE that there is.

While I applaud the genetic science in this thread, I think the discussion could also benefit from other disciplines such as linguistics, literature, archaeology, etc. I'll throw a few things out there:

"Now that golden person, who is seen within the sun, with golden beard and golden hair, golden altogether to the very tips of his nails, whose eyes are like blue lotus's, his name is ut, for he has risen (udita) above all evil"

- Khandogya-Upanishad, 1 Prapathaka, 6 Khanda, 8 (translation from F. Max Muller).

That text is (((dated))) to 8-6 century BC.

Further, throughout the Rayamana (one of the oldest sanskrit poems), Rama is commonly referred to with the epithet "lotus-eyed." While I don't know if a color is given in the original text, there are only white, blue, and pink lotuses, so the conculsion is that the author is referring to the blue lotus (this flower was also a commonly used psychoactive drug and aphrodisiac in cultures throughout the ancient world, from Egypt to Greece). Therefore its ubiquity further supports the theory that the flower referred to is in fact the blue lotus.

To this day, many Indians (the concentration increases, surprisingly, to the northwest) retain features remnant of the Indo-European invasions millenia earlier. Some claim that these phenotypes are due to Greek invasions but Alexander and his men never had an extended presence in the area. Besides, at the time Alexander went through Persia and into India, he was marching through Indo-European territory, although I don't believe they knew that they were related.

Further, a map of milk consumption in India shows increasing prevelance to the Northwest. Since dairy is a very Indo-European food, this is further evidence of the high concentration of IE genes remaining in the population even to this day.

However, as to the mixing of various pre-IE tribes throughout anatolia and the surrounding area, someone more knowledgeable than I would have to weigh in, as I'm more focused on linguistics and literature.

283547  No.12263191


<the concentration increases, surprisingly, to the northwest


c7b368  No.12263527

File: 825975e657456a3⋯.png (126.92 KB, 604x1534, 302:767, The_genetic_makings_of_Sou….png)


I don't exactly see the issue with the current understanding of paleogenetics. That India was at some point reached by Europid-like steppe peoples from the north is pretty much accepted. In particular, these steppe peoples would be more "northern-like" in appearance than earlier steppe people since they had mixed with native north Euros of the time who already possessed some of those traits.

c4cec9  No.12263603


What explanation do the scientists put forward to show how brown and blonde populations coming together creates a 80% blue eyed, fair skinned, light haired people?

c7b368  No.12263608


selection and population bottlenecks over many thousands of years can do wonders

da70ce  No.12263613

File: d393889ecadbdad⋯.jpg (10.41 KB, 255x189, 85:63, 918618e2a43fe695b83ed3b8df….jpg)


You must be "italic"

Pssst ancient Rome was blond;)

c7b368  No.12263616

File: 2f857938ecc2aff⋯.jpg (1.33 MB, 1520x1007, 80:53, 1433032011761.jpg)


oh you people wish :)

283547  No.12264191

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


So are you saying the typical "Aryan" features (blond hair/blue eyes) is an Indo-European trait, or was mixed in from some combination of hunter gatherers in the area?


While there are some literary sources that depict some ancient roman nobility with blond hair and blue eyes, I question that it was the majority of the population.

This is my best attempt at a timeline of the Italian peninsular:

>5000BC: Italy populated by various "indigenous" tribes, phenotypes unknown

>~3000BC: Italy invaded by Italic (Indo-European groups), whose features are probably more "Aryan". They encounter various existing civilization technology, and adopt this over the coming millennia (the IEs did not natively have "civilization" as we've come to expect; they were mostly nomadic herders. Their primary tech was horses, chariots, archery, and domesticated livestock)

>~1000BC-500BC The Italic peoples overtook the Italian peninsula, incorporating non IE groups as well as the Etruscan's (who are of unknown origin) into their civilization.

>500BC-500AD Rome was established, and incorporated peoples from all over the Mediterranean. The most common immigrants to Italy at this time would be Germanics, Celts, with some Egyptians and other Eastern meds

>500AD-1000AD Italy and Sicily were invaded by Germanic tribes, with conflict between them and the Byzantines occurring at various times.

>~1000AD Sicily and small parts of southern Italy fell under Islamic control. They were repelled relatively quickly

>1000AD - present Italy is invaded at various times by other Germanic or Celtic groups in their "modern" forms, such as the French, Spanish, and Austrians

As you can see from the above timeline, right before the Muslim invasion I would expect Italy to have the highest "density" of Aryan features (if you will), as it had been experiencing an in-flux of Indo-European groups for over 2000 years.

Only a small part of Italy and for a short amount of time has Italy been under the control of the Muslims. Therefore I hypothesize that the darker features more commonly seen in Italy today have been there since time immemorial, and are not due to a few decades of rape by Islam (Sicily is a different story as it spent a longer time under control of Islam).

Embed related; modern Sardinians are closely genetically related to the neolithic farmers that lived in the area before the IE invasion.

See pics (the two girls) for modern Sardinians; according to the embed related, they are almost exactly related to the neolithic farmers (who came from Anatolia). So we can conclude that's what Italy looked like before the IE invasions.

Further, they look similar to Basques to me (the two boys), who are the only pre-IE group remaining in western europe.

From all these points, I conclude the following (happy to hear evidence that corrects any of these points)

- Before the IE invasion, Europe was populated by a mix of neolithic farmers and hunter-gatherers (more neolithic farmers to the south). These people likely were more darkly featured, with brown hair and possibly brown eyes (although some sardinians have blue eyes as well). Further, while ancient egyptians are not black, they do not seem to be as light-featured as e.g. modern brits or germans. They probably belong to this group as well.

- The IE invasion in Europe brought the IEs into contact with the farmers. From this exchange, the IEs learned about farming and other "civilizational" technology, while bringing their martial culture to the area. When they brought their existing talents in contact with the art, architecture, and food gathering techniques of the farmers, they were able to form empires and take over the Mediterranean/Europe (e.g. Greeks, Romans, then later the Germans). Further, they learned writing from the Phonecians, who are a semetic group. So the thesis is that IEs "learned" civilization from the existing neolithic farmers (writing, farming, architecture, etc.), and combining that with their natural physical and military characteristics, created civilization on a scale never seen before.



283547  No.12264193

File: 5029a5d3bc20edd⋯.jpeg (193.18 KB, 850x570, 85:57, basque boys.jpeg)

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Forgot the pics

283547  No.12264214


<forgot to mention my main point

When the IEs came into southern europe (talking about the Greeks and Romans here), they were more militarily powerful than the existing people. They took over Greece and Italy, kicked out the Minoan civilization in Crete (non-IE), and enslaved a bunch of people. They were essentially as barbarian as they would later claim the Germanic tribes were.

But over time they learned shit like pottery and sculpture from their trading partners (notably Egyptians and Phoenicians) which "civilized" them. However, the upper classes likely maintained the most pure IE blood, which we can find evidence of in various texts and other art.

I'm pretty confident that the spartan Helots, the slaves who farmed outside the city for the spartans, were not in fact Greek or IE but were already there and enslaved by the Spartans when they came from the north.

This theory is in general accord with that published by James Henry Breasted in "The Conquest of Civilization" (he founded the Oriental Institute at UChicago and is America's first Egyptologist)

bb5385  No.12264222


Can I get just the bottom right woman please?

436a30  No.12264226

File: c772d2915b79b04⋯.jpg (166.61 KB, 800x800, 1:1, Oh god. My sides. My fucki….jpg)

File: 6fa00122b5e301d⋯.jpg (50.59 KB, 400x325, 16:13, g168547555554619818.jpg)


>implying you look anything like those people

c7b368  No.12264263

File: 3f0a8ba1fc5a3fb⋯.jpg (1.15 MB, 1766x1000, 883:500, 1433032011762.jpg)


>So are you saying the typical "Aryan" features (blond hair/blue eyes) is an Indo-European trait, or was mixed in from some combination of hunter gatherers in the area?

the latter is true for the most, some scandinavian foragers were already nordic-tier fair with the whole combo, as well as some EHG like Samara HG, while Yamnaya people for instance were darker than modern south Euros on average

it's by mixing with these indigenous north Europeans and with natural selection that fair looking IE were born, most likely

in particular, it's quite clear R1a is linked with these northern steppe peoples, while R1b is more linked to the darker ones I would say

there are Bell Beakers from 2000BC north Italy and Sicily, some from north Italy had already quite little steppe ancestry, so no, I don't think iron age Italics were particularly aryan, the people who entered the peninsula would already be quite mixed in all likelihood


keep cherrypicking, your inferiority complex is showing

you will never be part of the Italic master race, snow chimp, better accept that already and buy yourself a butthurt cream

ebd330  No.12264276


I concur. Evola and other writers also wrote about darker, "telluric" pre-existing peoples.

e606a5  No.12265871


That's a Jewish term. Where is the actual proof this can even happen?

e5d940  No.12266732

Well as of now the amount of ancient DNA samples from prehistoric Europe is probably in the thousands, so certain trends can be seen already, like for instance the spike in frequency of certain alleles related to white skin in the last 10k years after we started eating like crap with agriculture and thus required more vitamin D. But most importantly, logic suggests it is possible. People can mate with people who are of a "better" genetic stock in some sense, and mate less with lesser ones, and population bottlenecks can very well weed out the unfit outliers and promote a more uniform "higher" type. I mean, pretty clearly more tanned Scandinavian foragers that still existed before farming probably did very poorly and died off quickly when they switched to a more heavy crop based diet.

Before civilization, humans in a way or the other clearly practiced a form of racial hygiene if you ask me, especially in more challenging environments.

e5d940  No.12266733

e606a5  No.12267007


I'm thinking more in terms of the political will to weed out dark genes when those genes come from your conquerors. Which is what the Yamnaya theory proposes. I'm not a scientist, but I am a student of history and the only place I can think of where eugenics have been attempted to a serious degree is in Sparta with the laws of Lycurgus. And even then they only managed to maintain their stock, not better it. Similar was attempted in India and they failed miserably.

And secondly, if as you say, change in climate/food habits made these darkies unable to survive, then why do we see their genes at all? Why would anyone want to mix with such doomed specimens in any serious degree? And the blood in Europe suggests more than just a few Asiatics took their dick out at one point. Could not the spike in allelles simply be a new population moving in?

e5d940  No.12267106


uhm I don't think politics here matters necessarily, especially because as stated in my premise we are talking about prehistory and ways of living/thinking before civilization took over as the sort of standard, with its innate artificial capability to sustain populations/tribes over the threshold that a more natural hunter gatherer lifestyle would allow, or a primitive agricultural one for that matter

in any case, for one, we are talking about spans of thousands of years even between Yamnaya and, say, nordic iron age, and also we are not dealing with populations vastly different in pigmentation anyway, it's not like Yamnaya was dravidian tier dark or something, in fact, they would already pass as European in all likelihood, just as a whole the frequency of known depigmentation alleles wasn't too high, particularly those for blue eyes and light hair, while those for light skin were already appreciable

some of them would probably look north European already

but also, it's not Yamnaya itself that moved to north Europe in all likelihood but some groups more or less related to them more north, perhaps even lighter, that eventually formed the Corded ware culture, which itself eventually contributed to form the nordic iron age, with a gradual depigmentation over thousands of years, perhaps mediated by women and through elite supremacy(i.e elite reproducing much more and thus having a role in the selection of traits for the whole tribe)

if the Spartans, with their proud "backwardness" in some sense(compared to other Hellenes), did attempt eugenic practices, then in fact it's perhaps an indication that more "backwards" types of societies, say, I don't know, early pre-historic Hellenic people in the Balkans, perhaps practiced it even more, it's hard to say

anyway, as a matter of fact, "darkies" in Europe, among natives, can largely be seen only at latitudes that allow them to get enough sunshine to survive with a prehistoric diet, like in south Italy or Greece, not in north Europe where some known major depigmentation alleles are basically at 100% frequency while in mesolithic Europe they were basically at 0%

latitude is always a major factor, diet influences how important it is

the new invaders in Europe get their supplements from modern diets and even then many report physical problems(I heard of somali newborns in sweden having a very high rate of autism and other diseases that have been linked to lack of vitamin D during pregnancy)

of course, modernity and the industrial revolution changed everything since pretty much anyone is allowed and even encouraged to survive

e7c664  No.12267220

File: 6c4382c741d7f1a⋯.jpg (48.25 KB, 592x378, 296:189, slavic.celtic.germanic.his….jpg)


redbeard is yamnaya

e606a5  No.12267222


Politics always matter, even in the tribe. The king, or leader, or strongman has to take the wants and needs of his subjects to mind, at least if he wishes to remain as ruler over them. And when a significant portion of your men have dark features there's simply no way to get rid of them as you rely on them, and the goodwill of your other men who would not understand such an act. This is why all socities who begin to mix degenerates. And to my knowledge there is not a single incident of a state trying to reverse genetic degeneration, before Hitler. Probably political expedience only allows for conservation once your bad genes have become citizens. And they don't even have to be equal citizens, you can't get rid of slaves either. So I think any eugenics program to explain the modern white race is completely ruled out. It would have to be natural and this is where the narrative of a swarthy skinned people with blue eyes mixing with a dark eyed, light skinned people creates a light skinned, light eyed product falls apart.

It is possible to explain the skin since as you say, they were not that swarthy, and our ancestors could have been much whiter than us, but you can't explain the eyes. For blue eyes to dominate they have to be present in the vast majority of the population since only a single brown eye gene is enough to give a brown appearance, while two is required for the blue. In the core area around the Baltic you have blue eyes in 70-80% of the population, and that's with thousands of years of historical mixing taking place (sailors, traders, slaves). So very likely they were completely blue eyed at one point. And to my ear the only explanation I get from the so called experts is that evolution and selection did this, but not really providing any real thesis as to how. Because if the blue eyes came from swarthy and they ended up dominating the, skin genes must have too. Blue eyes can't survive if the skin can't. And if the darker skin was generally selected out, how could their blue eyes possibly come to dominate? There is literally no historical examples of this happening and to my mind there should be, as the mixing of races has taken place constantly on most of the Earth for quite some time.

e606a5  No.12267224


Now this I can believe.

e5d940  No.12267339

File: f47ed16592b8ddf⋯.png (222.32 KB, 1312x1212, 328:303, pigm.png)


it's not that simple for blue eyes, plenty of people that show the brown phenotype can produce offspring that have blue ones if they at least have one ancestor that had the dormant blue one, blue eyes are not so "genetically hopeless"

first of all, again, you have to consider prehistoric societies and the bottlenecks they came into and survived

one of the most blue eyed ethnicities to have appeared in the record are mesolithic European hunter gatherers with nearly 100% blue eye frequency, and, guess what, they were extremely homogeneous from a genetic point of view, likely descending from a rather small founding population, nearly inbred

and here is where chance also plays a role

this group of hunter gatherer is essentially the reason why blue eyes exploded in Europe since they were the one tribe that managed to repopulate the continent after the last glacial maximum(but were later absorbed into the much more numerous and mostly brown eyed anatolian migrants that brought agrciculture, and whose offspring is nowadays mostly living in south Europe, reason for the high frequency of brown eyes)

again, you have two consider two factors:

1. elites in prehistoric societies likely reproduced much more than the non-elites, this is especially visible in the bottleneck detected in Y-DNA diversity, with very few males reproducing compared to women some thousand years ago

2. women can also carry the "desired" phenotype and pass it on to their offspring, so the early "dark" elite could very well have taken fair women(idolized in pretty much every culture ever, just look at the Ottoman royals) and produced plenty of intermediate male offspring who could take other fair women and slowly "bleach" themselves and slowly the general tribe by reproducing much more than the "original" swarthy ones

this over thousands of years, which is a long ass time

>Because if the blue eyes came from swarthy and they ended up dominating the, skin genes must have too. Blue eyes can't survive if the skin can't

I don't get this, blue eyes and light skin are regulated by different mutations and serve different purposes

western hnter gatherers were very swarthy but nearly 100% blue eyed, while eastern hunter gatherers were already quite light skinned but mostly all brown eyed, same for neolithic anatolians, and this is not conjecture, it's the data coming from ancient DNA

again, history changed everything, these events happened largely before any civilization came to be, we are talking 10k to 3k years ago for the most, with different modes of living, much smaller population and much higher natural selection at play

e04724  No.12267369


I've convinced that there was not one group of blonde/light haired and blue eyed people

There were Neolithic farmers (Who were 5% North European) in Greece who had

>Blonde-Hair, Light Skin and Brown eyes

Then there were medium skinned blonde and red-haired and blue eyed people in Romania and Baltics (Who were 82% North-European and 18% Farmer) and blue eyed, light haired motala hunter gatherers who were 100% North-European

While Yamna, Steppe and early Indo-Europeans were more dark haired, there were also some people with ligher pigmentation and most light-haired bell beakers in Northern Europe were identical to the earlier dark haired Corded Ware people.

Farmers with >60% Anatolian Farmer admixture in Northern and Eastern Europe were also blonde haired blue eyed

There was one red head, light skinned and blue eyed individual in Jordan who was >92% EEF


c349e7  No.12300096


I agree.

2d23f0  No.12300135


>*Amongst all other failures to prove their LARP is real, they can never explain the exact moment the "bible jews" became the jewsjews

Clearly you have no reading comprehension then because multiple people have already explained to Vargbots that modern Jews are Rabbinic Jews which began with the Pharisees. Of course this just flies over their heads as useless platitudes like

>dead like on a stick

>desert religion

Are considered actual arguments.

de5aeb  No.12300139


You haven't been to Italy.

074bfe  No.12300201


>"Romans contribute almost nothing"

>invented sewers, acqueducts, highways, concrete, big part of medicine, baths, toilets, fountains, elevators

>conquered and civilized most known world

>most languages are based on latin

>"Italy a high number of Semites"

>reality: 0.05% jews in italy >highest record of kicking out jews of all countries

Sorry shlomo it's not your lucky day

285926  No.12300280


>invented sewers

That one's a toss-up between the Mesopotamians and the Indus River Valley civs, but in either case, it's millennia before the Roman Empire


Persia's Royal Road beats the Romans to the punch. Can't seem to find anything older in a timely manner.


The Assyrians did that first.


Maybe not concrete as we know it, but the Egyptians used mud mixed with straw to bind dried bricks and used lime and gypsum mortar for building the Pyramids, and the Chinese used cementitious materials to hold bamboo together in their boats and in their Great Wall.

>big part of medicine



Mohenjo Daro and Ancient Greece had these


They've been around since the Stone Age.


Mesopotamia, 5,000 years ago


This seems to be true.

Knowledge is power.

31435d  No.12304478


>without any of that esoteric bullshit?

Yes, God forbid anyone talks about anything that isn't through some fedoralord lens 100% of the time. There can be zero spirituality, otherwise someone will question our (((science))).

a8bb2e  No.12304573


>The spreading of desirable traits through the eugenic breeding of desirable people is one of the oldest Völkisch concepts, and so is the viewing of individual phenotypes as transient beings. The flow of blood (or genes) must continue and right now we are simply vehicles of flow. Through selection of vehicles we can impact the direction of the flow, but we cannot allow the flowing to stop as that would mean the extinguishing of our blood. What gives the dimension of time to blood is the incarnation of blood in living beings that have been born of one generation and then produce the next.

>Blood is immortal

Well hot damn you turned a stone for me, Im can get hip to this. Thanks for posting.


>British here refers to Anglo-Saxon, i.e. Germanic

Ive got my ancestry/family name back to 9th century in the southwest here, does this image apply that far back? If so thanks. Also, while anyones reading, Ive been looking for a book or books equivalent to Madison Grants Conquest of a Continent. Something specifically for England or Europe so I can try to investigate or trace lineage further.


>You're falling into the same intellectual trap that late 19th/early 20th century European colonialists fell into, ascribing some sort of deeper meaning and manifest destiny to genetics. I get the ideological reasoning - the necessity of a mythos to bind and guide the in-group - but in practice supremacism leads to complacency and bona fide purity spiralling as opportunists use any excuse to undermine their peers and superiors to advance through the ranks, while the enemy can easily dismantle your assertions with empirical evidence.

The subscription to a higher meaning is useful for filling the feeling of ambiguity people have towards the death or afterlife. Everyone's going to choose something to attach their spirituality or faith towards and I believe this is a good way of attaching it to something that is eternal, like a people or Volk? Whatever this guy was referring to he painted it beautifully. Its a good explanation and it doesnt matter what kind of subjective meaning plays behind the objective truth all that matters is the objective part is practiced. Enemies can point to empirical evidence all they want it doesnt disable anyones actions from protecting whats really in front of them. Its about building motivation and crafting a worldview, what else would you supply? And what would it be that enemies point out to refute any reason to create a mythos behind an objective truth, that blood is passed down through vessels etc. And that that matters whos being pulled from the "void". Right?

e04724  No.12336733


Check out these



These show pretty well:

Paleolithic HGs in Europe

>100% WHG

>Dark hair, medium skin color, brown eyes

Romanian MHGs

>100% WHG

>Light hair, medium skin color, blue eyes

Serbian MHGs

>100% WHG

>Dark hair, light skin color, brown eyes

Swedish/Motala MHGs

>75% WHG, 25% EHG

>Dark and light hair, light skin color, blue eyes

Ukraine Neolthic

>75% WHG, 25% EHG

>Dark hair, medium and light skin color, brown eyes

Samara, Karelia, Comb Ware

>33% WHG, 66% EHG

>Dark hair, medium and light skin color, brown and blue eyes

Afanasevo, Yamna

>75% EHG, 25% CHG

>Dark hair, light skin color, brown eyes

NW Asia Minor

>90% Farmer, 10% CHG

>Dark, light skin color, brown eyes (with exceptions)

Peloponnese N

>90% Farmer, 10% CHG

>Dark and light hair, light skin color, brown eyes

Spain EN, Alföld MN, Baden LCA

>90% Farmer, 10% WHG

>Dark hair, light skin color, brown eyes (with exeptions)

Spain CA, Spain MN, Scotland N

>75% Farmer, 25% WHG

>Dark hair, light skin color, brown eyes (with exceptions)

Funnelbeaker, Globular Amphora

>75% Farmer, 25% WHG

>Light hair, light skin color, blue eyes (with exceptions)

Corded ware (Including Timber Grave), Unetice, Bell Beaker

>8.5% WHG, 55.5% EHG, 23.5% FARMER, 12.5% CHG

>10% WHG, 47% EHG, 35% FARMER, 8% CHG

>12.5% WHG, 40% EHG, 37.5% FARMER, 10% CHG

>Dark (dominantly) and light hair color, light skin color, brown eyes (dominantly) and blue eyes

Latvia LBA

>19 WHG, 54.8 EHG, 26.2 Farmer

>Medium hair color, light skin color, blue eyes (with exceptions)

Let's compare this to modern Europeans

Modern Balts, 9.8% WHG,55.3% EHG,32% FARMER,2.9% CHG

Norwegians 6,9% WHG,48.6% EHG,38.4% FARMER,6.1% CHG

Germans 5.7% WHG,42% EHG,41% FARMER,11.3% CHG

Orcadians 7.5% WHG,46.4% EHG,38.3% FARMER,7.8% CHG

Spanish 6.3% WHG,29.9% EHG,46.9% FARMER,8.2% CHG,8.8% (SWA)

Greeks 2.15% WHG,23% EHG,43.6% FARMER,23.5% CHG,7.7 (SWA)

Turkish 11.8% EHG,36.5% FARMER,45.2% CHG,6.4% (SWA)

1e0559  No.12336913

File: 0b615151fc3df49⋯.png (222.17 KB, 824x1158, 412:579, Paleolithic DNA from the C….png)

File: 9e0d301da2ab7ed⋯.jpg (28.1 KB, 365x623, 365:623, bh6GL5V.jpg)


ADMIXTURE is hardly being used anymore by academia, qpAdm/qpGraph and similar model based ones are now the ones being used, especially since they allow for graph-like structure and genetic drift

ADMIXTURE doesn't tell you much about what those clusters consist of and how much they are related, at lower values of K you'd have "farmers" and "WHG" sharing more, like in pic related, you shouldn't misinterpret it too much

you can see here for instance how K14(Kostenki14, one of the first European-like cromagnons) has less "HG" than even stuttgart

641c7b  No.12336937

File: a86626729bac0f5⋯.png (6.36 KB, 445x486, 445:486, WHG.png)


It's pretty simple why they get different results at different levels (see pic related)

Comparing them on the same level still tells you the main differences between those samples

1e0559  No.12336964

File: 683f4ca22c57c34⋯.png (79.88 KB, 1054x734, 527:367, BE.png)


that's the basic tl;dr version, kinda, but admixture can give the false impression that those clusters represent strongly separated or wildly different populations that almost came out of nowhere, which can be misleading, especially if one fixes himself on the percentages, like for instance basal Eurasian/""middle east"" ancestry, which back in 2014 was first estimated at being ~45% in "farmers", now 25% in anatolia_n and ~20% in neolithic Europe, with some other studies putting it as low as 9%

if one wants to truly measure WHG-like affinity one should be careful, especially when "WHG" is essentially equated with "European hunter gatherer"

given the state of the art of the field, I'm fairly sure what will eventually be discovered is an European population, perhaps living in the Balkans/SE Europe, that was ancestral to WHG but also in large part to farmers and even much of near eastern ancestry, represented in >>12336913 by the "common west eurasian" node, perhaps carrying Y-DNA IJ

e04724  No.12337058


I don't think that digging up all WHG ancestry will get us to anywhere

First, the Natufians were haplogroup E while the most farmers were haplogroup G

Secondly, the potential hunter gatherers (we have not found one yet) in anatolia may have been very different from the ones in Europe, if you compare that cultures with similar admixture had totally different pigmentation while being just 5000 years apart from each other (Globular Amphora and Spain CA) and were both still in Europe

Now, I don't also believe that all those populations had very certain core populations where they split off (Like all people who get 20% Basal Eurasian have certanly 20% of it's ancestry coming off from that exact population)

There might have been cultures between them which give 50% one and 50% another, but were not a result of racemixing, rather evolving on their own

1e0559  No.12337096

File: bd6e3e2ce5a9b80⋯.png (388.59 KB, 770x645, 154:129, Late Pleistocene human gen….png)


>Secondly, the potential hunter gatherers (we have not found one yet) in anatolia may have been very different from the ones in Europe, if you compare that cultures with similar admixture had totally different pigmentation while being just 5000 years apart from each other (Globular Amphora and Spain CA) and were both still in Europe

we are talking about overall genetic structure, not some cosmetic differences in pigmentation, iron gates foragers in the balkans despite being almost genetically indistinguishable from WHG "proper" and living in the same timeframe had also a somewhat different average pigmentation(less blue eyed, more light skinned)

their appearance would be overall similar, and even neolithic farmers would probably not look "too" different from the WHG they encountered, aside from the effects of the different diets

by 15k BC in Anatolia you already had hunter gatherers who were ~90% the same as the neolithic farmers, so the link with Europe is older and again, by looking at the modeling of paleolithic west Eurasia, the common link with WHG is quite close to WHG itself, we are ultimately talking about populations that were already "caucasoid" looking in essence

there are indeed different levels of "basalness" according to the latest papers, with some "basal eurasian", like the one in anatolia_n, being "closer" so to speak to crown/main Eurasian, while others like Taforalt(paleolithic north Africa) had additional "deeper" ancestry as they named it, and could perhaps be the reason for the peculiar position of Y-DNA E among Eurasian and African lineages(with Yoruba being modeled as ~15% Taforalt)

fdbc65  No.12363719


E is kinda halfway between Eurasia and Africa, it's the only "African" haplogroup that descends from the otherwise fully Eurasian CT and DE, with D being almost exclusive to east Eurasia, some scientists have proposed that it may be from an old back migration of Eurasian into Africa along with mtDNA L3(which follows a similar gradient). All of the few very ancient DNA samples from sub saharan Africa available are either A or B with E appearing only in relatively recent ones.

In any case, Natufians and most important paleolithic north Africans were already E1b, E is much older

755d68  No.12396270


f3b409  No.12401613

File: c30b876927ec81f⋯.jpg (64.78 KB, 681x674, 681:674, extent-and-spread-of-manor….jpg)

File: 6dc3e02a0c6ca7a⋯.jpg (49.86 KB, 500x295, 100:59, hajnalmeme.jpg)











95e7fe  No.12403628


completely outdated timeline, 10 years behind at the very least, paleolithic Europeans were largely C1a2 and I/I2, R1b-L754 only appears first with some epipaleolithic foragers likely coming from south-east Europe with Siberian influence(oldest R* is in Malta boy, east siberia)

821e61  No.12403641

File: 7dbeeee8f79539b⋯.jpg (3.55 MB, 2928x7536, 61:157, taxonomy.jpg)

7fe461  No.12403746

File: be2c022e69159f5⋯.png (511.14 KB, 8000x1080, 200:27, haak_k16-20.png)


Should be 'Timeline of the New Europeans', since I1 and I2 were already in Europe, since they evolved from pre-human hominids there.


Haplogroup C is Asians, anon. For both y and x dna.

95e7fe  No.12403792


>Haplogroup C is Asians, anon. For both y and x dna.

mostly, not C1a2, exclusively west Eurasian, lineage of Aurignacians like Sunghir males(paleolithic Russia) or Kostenki14 or GoyetQ116(Belgium), all the way to even La Brana1, neolithic Spain, also found in mesolithic and neolithic Anatolians as well as some neolithic Europeans

today it is rare but some Europeans still carry it

4eb056  No.12421735

europe is interesting. there are distinctly more jews the further east you go, starting from west parts of czech republic and poland with relatively few, then you get to odessa, ukraine which is crawling with them. I feel like current genetic diaspora follows this trend.

aa8dd1  No.12443270

Did a genetics test and found out I'm 1/128th Mongolian, am I white?

29950b  No.12445535

Bumping with this hilarious article on Ron Unz site:


tl;dr Pajeets are most physically unfit race on the planet, with an average grip strenght on par with Scandinavian females(!).

280c77  No.12445605


mfw swansea university is shit and push for diversity really hard…

000000  No.12472571

Massive Migration From the Steppe is a Source for Indo-European Languages in Europe (2015):



Shortened Publication:


Full size graphic:



Genetic map of Europe:


Genetic map of Africa:


Genetic map of Asia:


Genetic map of India:


Complete data set:


The Maternal Genetic Make-up of the Iberian Peninsula Between the Neolithic and the Early Bronze Age (2017):



Ancient DNA Reveals Prehistoric Gene-flow from Siberia in the Complex Human Population History of Northeast Europe (2013):



inb4 gets beleted by jews

000000  No.12495493

000000  No.12518448

Scientists Find a Link Between Long Noses and a Frosty Climate



Adaption to the Cold Climate in the Nasal Cavity Skeleton



Inuits Live in Very Cold Climates, Why do They Have Dark Skin?



The New Racial Classification



e04724  No.12519107




fake news with no proof

000000  No.12551878


Yeah, the conclusion is quite retarded but the research is interesting.

b9570a  No.12559257

File: 44397838a671b59⋯.jpg (38.1 KB, 780x520, 3:2, Homo-Dindus.jpg)


>Models of archaic admixture and recent history from two-locus statistics

>We learn about population history and underlying evolutionary biology through patterns of genetic polymorphism. Many approaches to reconstruct evolutionary histories focus on a limited number of informative statistics describing distributions of allele frequencies or patterns of linkage disequilibrium. We show that many commonly used statistics are part of a broad family of two-locus moments whose expectation can be computed jointly and rapidly under a wide range of scenarios, including complex multi-population demographies with continuous migration and admixture events. A full inspection of these statistics reveals that widely used models of human history fail to predict simple patterns of linkage disequilibrium. To jointly capture the information contained in classical and novel statistics, we implemented a tractable likelihood-based inference framework for demographic history. Using this approach, we show that human evolutionary models that include archaic admixture in Africa, Asia, and Europe provide a much better description of patterns of genetic diversity across the human genome. We estimate that individuals in two African populations have 6−8% ancestry through admixture from an unidentified archaic population that diverged from the ancestors of modern humans 500 thousand years ago.

>two African populations have 6−8% ancestry through admixture from an unidentified archaic population that diverged from the ancestors of modern humans 500 thousand years ago.

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6f67c3  No.12596424

File: 23c3971a19867bf⋯.png (288.94 KB, 2560x2496, 40:39, 1467126309265.png)


Can we define "over empathy" as a personality trait that is undesirable? With that I mean what you see in a lot of whites in society, what that word literally means. Too much empathy, for too many people, even the dangerous ones, with no regard for their own well being and safety. The Asians dont needlessly for example try to include everyone else. Most slavs are like that too. They do not have this trait, they go from the default of "well I am skeptical" which is a more healthy way to approach it.

But the european whites have over-empathy in which they basically completely dont bother with that mechanism. How can we define it? How can we frame it better? Because it is the bane of most of our problems. It is tied very close to egalitarianism. And speaking from a slav perspective, I am quite interested in how you guys perceive yourself with this trait, and if you do not have it, how you perceive others who do have it. What is the percentage of people that have it? How can you eradicate it?

With this thought stream I also want to frame in the light of an undesirable genetic anomaly. A trait that shows the inferiority of the white race at least as some part. Pic related.

6f67c3  No.12603306


I just remembered a long forgotten site that had a huge list of traits…things like "caring for the young" or "being able to recognize one self in mirror", probably more still is a trait that I found niggers to be mostly lacking namely to that of "understanding of fluid dynamics" (some niggers have no concept that water goes down, and when they use a new marker pen for example, they sideways push the tip, instead of downwards) or "passage of time" which the niggers also dont have… I havent even remotely seen this list being posted again anywhere, in the last 5 years, its a real shame. It had comparisons of traits between different species as well. Some species of birds had traits that we had, more so than niggers did.

and the thing with these traits is that I suspect that they can also be combined with the Myers–Briggs personality types. To narrow it down further into even smaller differences, in between a race. This list would be a great boon for us for it would allow us to create more specific targeted meme faggotry. Especially if we could link it to the Myers–Briggs in some reliable way.

000000  No.12603505


Can't post images via Tor (8ch is banned in my cuntry), so will drop the link with the goodies instead


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8dbcc8  No.12641785


myers and briggs were uneducated women and they stole most of their work

why would you even pretend their personality inventory is valid>?

3e1cde  No.12641825


have a bump

7146fd  No.12644478


000000  No.12644507


semite, pls. what color are your eyes?

6048bb  No.12644855


I read somewhere that there are special photonic and quantum characteristics about DNA, so that in certain conditions even when the material DNA is removed from a certain controlled environment there are characteristics that remain there in their stead. As if they were still there, influencing the substrate to which they were in contact.

6048bb  No.12644862


I saw that BRC (Big Rainbow Cock) too. Damn, they just don't give up. It's getting to the point I think I might make a mace shaped like one so I can beat something to death with it.

000000  No.12650115


It is correct to say that Italians don't descend from an "Italian tribe", but from an ethnic stock made of various Italic tribes. They didn't speak one language, but despite this they had a common origin and cultural backround. Rome itself was a mix of more Italic tribes: Romans were a mix of Etruscans, Samnites, Campanians and Gauls from Northern Italy. During the III century b.C. Romans conquered the Celtic peoples of Northern Italy, unifying the "boot". It is since that moment that it start the process of creation of the Italian people/folk as we know it today. In the year 7 a.D. the inhabitants of Italy are, according to the Roman Augustean census, an omogeneous and united people of 10 millions of individuals (during the previous centuries there happened internal migrations that levelled the people).

After the fall of the Roman Empire the barbaric invasions altered very few or nothing at all the genetics of Italy. The Caliphate of Sicily, after the Norman reconquest, saw the deportation of all the Arabic people to a little city of Puglia, in which they were segregated. The inhabitants of that sort of ghetto were slaughtered by the Christians 2 centuries later.

The biggest contribution that Berbers left was in Sicily (7,5%) and Northern-Puglia (6,5%). In the rest of Italy this percentage is only of 0%, 2% in the best ipothesy.

The descendents of Longobards and of the other germanic peoples are attested to be no more than 10% on the continent. The descendents of Greeks on the continent are very low. But they have importance in Sicily, where more than 37% of people seem to be direct descentents of ancient Greek colons.

A study of 2009 shows that Italians, together with the Finns, are one of the purest peoples of Europe and also one of the oldest, descending them from the ancient Italics.

About the (estimated) contributions of the various Italic tribes, their number in 600b.C. was so divided:

-130.000 Lucanians (are of modern Basilicata)

-570.000 Sicules (Sicily)

-450.000 Messapes (Puglia)

-200.000 Brutios (Calabria)

-200.000 Campanians (Campania)

-300.000 Samnites - Samnites of the Mountains (Southern Abruzzo and Molise)

-250.000 Oscos - or Samnites of the Plain (Northern Campania)

-600.000 Etruscans

- 1 Million of Greek citizens (mostly were hellenized Italics)


After the wars against Celts of Northern Italy, Romans forced many of them to leave their native villages and regions, deporting many communities to other regions of Italy.

47.000 Ligures were deported from Liguria to Samnio (Abruzzo and Molise) and Campania.

After the Social war, Rome sent waves of Roman colons to Northern Italy (the number was fixed to 6000 per colonization) in the process of Romanization of Italy. The number of slaves attested was of 75.000 for a population of 10 millions. Most of them were Italics themselves, mostly Brutios, but also Sardinians, Samnites and Umbrians.

Despite this, a soft genetical difference between Northern and Southern Italy is still visible, as underlined by the genetist Cavalli Sforza.

000000  No.12650162

Italians are Celtics

Recent genetic data suggests that ancient Italic tribes, including the Romans, were closely related to the Alpine Celts who founded the Hallstatt and La Tène cultures. In other words, the Romans conquest of Gaul was more like the final part of the unification process of the Italo-Celtic tribes.

Genetic Evidence

The S28/U152 SNP was discovered as a subclade of haplogroup R1b about 2 years ago and tests have become more widespread over the last year. The original trend seem to point at a Celtic origin for this haplogroup, with a possible origin in the Black Forest or Switzerland.

R1b-S28 was found in the area of extension of the La Tene culture, along the Rhine, Moselle and Meuse valleys north to Belgium, around the Alps in Eastern France (Lorraine, Vosges, Jura, and maybe as far as Auvergne), and in northern Italy, known as Cisalpine Gaul by the Romans. The haplogroup was also observed at lower frequency in Britain, which is compatible with the establishment of Belgic tribes there prior to the Roman conquest.

But it now appears that R1b-S28 is also the most common subclade of R1b in Italy, even in the south and in Sardinia. It could indeed be the original haplogroup of the Italic tribes, prior to the arrival of the Etruscans, the Greeks and the Phoenicians.

The coalescence age for R1b-S28 haplotypes is around 3,500 years ago, about 1,000 years before the beginning of the European Bronze Age. This makes it possible for a common origin of the Alpine Celts and Italic tribes. Little is known of the Italics before the mythical foundation of Rome in 753 BCE.

In all likelihood, the ancestor of all/most R1b-S28 people lived in the Western Hallstatt culture, around the Black Forest. This happens to be the place where the highest STR diversity is found for this haplogroup, which usually means that it is the place of origin.

Linguistic Evidence

This theory is further corroborated by linguistic evidence. Italic and Celtic languages belonged to the same Italo-Celtic family. It is known that at the time of Julius Caesar Gaulish dialects were still mutually intelligible with Latin, meaning that the two linguistic groups had not split so long ago.

Archeological Evidence

Archeological evidence suggest that the Italics may not have colonised the Italian peninsula before 1,000 BCE. The nearest and most probable place of origin of the Italics was the Alps region, where the Hallstatt culture (1,200-475 BCE) flourished.

This would explain why Roman helmets and other military equipment, were directly inspired by Alpine Celtic ones.

The Romans became more technologically and culturally advanced than their northern cousins thanks to the influence of their Near-Eastern neighbours, the Etruscans (immediately north of Rome) and the Greeks (to the south). The Romans combined the best elements of Celtic and Greco-Etruscan culture and technology to become a superpower.

The Celts were said to be fiercer warriors than the Greeks, who were themselves stronger than the Persians (they never let themselves conquered, even in the heyday of Darius and Xerxes). Even Alexander the Great feared the Alpine/Danubian Celts, and made sure to secure peace with them before setting off to conquer the Middle East. The Celts invaded Greece a few decades after Alexander's death, and sacked Delphi in 279 BCE. Those were the same Alpine Celts that had sacked Rome in 390 BCE, and besieged it again in 367 BCE.

Until the 3rd century, the Alpine Celts were the strongest military power in Europe, and the fastest expanding culture. The La Tène culture spread well beyond Gaul and Italy, to Iberia, Britain, the Balkans and Anatolia.

If the Romans were in fact close relatives of those Celts, equipped with the Greek advances in agriculture, ship-building, military strategy, and political structure, it is no wonder that they defeated everybody else so easily.

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Roman Relations with Their Alpine Celtic Cousins

Many Eastern Gaulish tribes (e.g. Sequani. Aedui) allied themselves to Julius Caesar during the Conquest of Gaul. In fact they had long had good relations with Rome and were the ones who requested Caesar's assistance to fight other tribes. Before Caesar's time the Aedui had attached themselves to the Romans, and were honoured with the title of brothers and kinsmen of the Roman people. Perhaps it is no wonder that the Romans had the hardest time defeating the tribes closest to them, the Suebi and the Belgae.

This also explains why the Romans called the Suebi and other Celts of modern south-west Germany the "Germani". The Latin Germani comes from germanus (from germen, "seed" or "offshoot"). The term was used to mean that they were the genuine Celts (descendants of the Hallstatt and La Tène Celts), as opposed to the other tribes of Gaul. Or it meant that they, Romans, descended from the same "seed" as these Germani from the Black Forest, or saw each others as offshoots of the same tribe.

The Roman provinces of Germania match exactly the regions where R1b-S28 has the highest frequency, around modern Belgium (Germania Inferior), and around the Baden-Württemberg (Germania Superior).

This may be why the name Germanicus was used in the Rome aristocracy, like for Emperors Caligula (Germanicus Julius Caesar) and Claudius (Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus). It may have been a reference to the Roman's origins in Germania. In any case they didn't think of these Germani as contemptible or inferior, otherwise they would not have named members of the imperial family after them. It was closer to an honorific title.

The original Romans were an offshoot of the Alpine/Black Forest Celts, just like the Belgae, and the Galatians of Anatolia.

6eaa09  No.12650186


>This may be why the name Germanicus was used in the Rome aristocracy, like for Emperors Caligula (Germanicus Julius Caesar) and Claudius (Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus). It may have been a reference to the Roman's origins in Germania

lol, Germanicus, like Africanus or Parthicus or Britannicus were titles assigned to prominent Romans for important military victories obtained in those territories, they weren't personal names/praenomina

6e5953  No.12650220


The africans wont mix with the europeans, unless they are smart. Faggot in picture is really smart, probably prefers white females. Feels split about his identity that is why he can so accurately picture the other.

000000  No.12677611


Good point.

4a9a83  No.12694446

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4a9a83  No.12694449

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cc96d4  No.12716969


dab38c  No.12735840

are there any known specific genes that make jews, well, jews?

000000  No.12755891


No it doesn't yet seem like it. There are gene markers that can all but guarantee genetic jew but they are associated with either, 1) the genes of a single paternal Arab lineage and the four maternal lineages that make up the modern "European" jew or, 2) the host population of particular jewish groups such as Cochin jews (India), Ethiopian jews (Africa), or the Ashkenazim jews (Europe). There are also diseases that seem to cluster within these groups but they also exist alongside inbreeding and malnutrition. The most common way to tell a jew is by a mix of appearance and behavior, even though only one may stand out at any time. Non-jews can also be spiritual jews.

4776af  No.12755895

I am not British though. I am Danish.

000000  No.12756341



Except Italic and Celtic languages were no longer mutually intelligible long before. So they are not Celtic. More like Balto-Slavic, where a runaway southern fringe dialect eclipses its cousins and expands everywhere, leaving some barely recognizable far relatives on the fringes. But Italics were more distinct from Celts than Slavs to Balts. I've seen Wang phylogeny estimating Celtic-Italic split at ~2000BC. Hallstatt Culture was 1200BC-500BC. 700 years of division before the Hallstatt even starts.

By the time Italics settle in Italy, it would had been 1000 years already. Which is still kinda understandable, at best, like Lithuanian vs Latvian or Russian vs Slovenian. Again, at best. 1000 years between Old English and Modern English are insurmountable, you have barely an idea if you hear it unprepared.

By the Sack of Rome at 390BC, the split is ~1500 years old. By the time of Caesar's bizarre adventures the split is ~2000 years old. So I call [citation needed] on

>It is known that at the time of Julius Caesar Gaulish dialects were still mutually intelligible with Latin

They were not. The split must had been far larger than between any modern Germanic language, just a bit less between modern Slavic and Baltic. Protip: a Slav understands maybe an odd word a dozen from spoken Baltic with no prior preparation, that is he understands nothing. He *might* learn it quick, but it would still take him months of dedicated training to converse somewhat free. And I didn't google anything reminiscent of Romans fancying Gaulish understandable. By the I AD, they barely understood hymns in Archaic Latin of 500-700 years ago.

>The original Romans were an offshoot of the Alpine/Black Forest Celts, just like the Belgae

Measuring by linguistic distance, Proto-Italics and Proto-Celts split from a common source people more than a 1000 years before Celts spread wide from Southern Germany or Belgae even existed.

>A study of 2009 shows that Italians, together with the Finngolians, are one of the purest oldest noblest magical unicorns

Rock on, Mario.

eebf86  No.12756664


there's one or two autists here, I don't know, who are obsessed with making everything in Europe "Celtic" for some reason, just ignore them

000000  No.12756709


>Italics are not Celtic

Italo-celtic language branch of the Indo-european language tree.

>Celtic-Italic split at ~2000BC

But nobody knows when that happened.

>1000 years

And I am genetically a Celt although I speak a Germanic language yet you argue I am not Celt because of 1000 years. Spanish and Portuguese are also Celtic languages and still have 20-30% Gaelic in them. The post you reference says genetics connects the groups while other things, such as language, reinforce.


>everything is celt

Correct. Everything that is European comes from the Celtic people of Europe who have been Celtic since 7,000 years ago.

eebf86  No.12756728


>who have been Celtic since 7,000 years ago

ridiculous nonsense, 7k years ago you didn't even have steppe ancestry in west Europe let alone anything remotely indo-European or even worse Celtic

000000  No.12756754


>But nobody knows when that happened.

Precisely - no. An estimate, based on statistical analyses of already documented language change over time - yes. Celto-Italic split into Celtic and Italic around 4000 years ago, as an estimate based on available linguistics data. It is imprecise up to couple centuries, but not millennia

>Celtic people of Europe who have been Celtic since 7,000 years ago

Indo-Hittite didn't even exist 7000 years ago. Indo-Hittite. You missed the mark of first appearance of Indo-Europeans by 1500 years, dude. Give or take 200 years, lel.

000000  No.12756789


>7000 years ago

>2000ad + 5000bc

The people in the Iberian peninsula reentered continental Europe ~10,000bc and the people that took refuge in Siberia reentered Continental Europe ~5,000bc. The mixing of these people (Indo-europeans) with the Scandanavians (Proto-europeans) is what makes the Celtic people. Also, when you look at the burial styles, art, and pottery, it is clear these cultures are the same even though scholars only ack that the Únětice or Tumulus cultures as "proto-celtic". It is also thought that the Linear Pottery culture was where lactase began.

>steppe ancestry

>haplogroup g


I am not a Caucasian jew, anon, and chances are, neither are you.


Kurgan hypothesis, which you seem to subscribe to, says 4000bc is migrations of Indo-europeans into Europe, even though their genetic equals entered the Iberian peninsula about 50,000bc. So there were the genetic equivalent of a modern Celtic people.

eebf86  No.12756792


>even though their genetic equals entered the Iberian peninsula about 50,000bc

top kek, the amount of schizos on this board…

000000  No.12756795


Nobody knows about Italics before Rome, Anon. Linguistic speculation about dates while overlooking linguistic similarities is silly.

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>t. jew

Then when did R1b mutation happen ?

eebf86  No.12756826


R1b is estimated to be about ~22k years ago, R and P1 respectively 30k and 40k ybp

both basal P1 and R are found deep in Siberia, R 24k ybp in the Malta boy, P1 in the paleolithic Yana hunter gatherer from NE Siberia

there is not a single R1b found in Iberia, one of the best sampled regions in the world, until the later neolithic with deeper subclades like R1b-V88 that likely formed in the Balkans

Iberian hunter gatherers were C1a2, I2, I

the idea that R1b came from Iberia is an old ass hypothesis based on its modern gradient back when there was no ancient dna available

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Also indo-hittite hypothesis is bullshit, as it asserts that all European history is Semitic history, but it aligns with the claim that 5000bc there were indo-europeans in continental Europe.

000000  No.12756860


>dna says no ancient r1b iberians

It's dna that says there was. I will be back later with a new circuit and info.

eebf86  No.12756870


so according to you we have R in paleolithic Siberia, R1b1a aka R1b-L754 in mesolithic Italy and southern France and Balkans, and somewhat we will find pure R1b in what, late paleolithic Iberia? despite the fact that all of the samples bearing R derived lineages are linked by small amounts of ancient north Eurasian ancestry?(R1b in Europe appears first with the Villabruna cluster, which compared to paleolithic Europeans shares more drift with ANE) good luck with that

000000  No.12756963


This is what I have:

40,000 BCE:

The first large settlement of Europa by "modern humans", nomadic hunter-gathereres, characterized by the M173 mutation in the Y chromosome, defining them as haplogroup R population. When the Ice Age reached its maximum extent, these modern humans took refuge in Southern Europe, namely in Iberia and in the steppes of Siberia.

30,000 BCE:

"Modern humans" live in the Iberian Peninsula and develops the M343 mutation, giving rise to the R1b haplogroup, still dominant in modern Portuguese and Spanish populations.

10,000 BCE:

The populations sheltered in Iberia, given the deglaciation, migrate and recolonize all of Western Europe, thus spreading the R1b haplogroup populations, still dominant, in variant degrees, from Iberia to Scandinavia.

5,000 BCE:

The nomadic hunter-gathereres of the R haplogroup that had taken refuge during the Last Ice Age in the steppes of Siberia developed the M17 mutation, originating the R1a Haplogroup.

The modern European seems to exist only as the isolated phenotypes mixed back together in Mesolithic period.

eebf86  No.12757009


>The first large settlement of Europa by "modern humans", nomadic hunter-gathereres, characterized by the M173 mutation in the Y chromosome

ridiculous, no ancient sample that old has the M173 mutation(R1), which is not even that old to begin with

the rest is outdated as well, where are you getting this from? seems like stuff from 15 years ago, completely surpassed

the first "European"-like individuals like Kostenki14 or GoyetQ116 carried subclades of Y-DNA C1, some of which survived all the way to mesolithic Iberia(La Brana man, 5k BC, was C1a2) and even to few modern Europeans

then as gravettians took over I derived ones seem to dominate Europe, especially I2(Paglicci113 from paleolithic Italy, Y-DNA I)

as I said, there is no trace of any R derived lineages in Europe until the mesolithic and the expansion of the Villabruna cluster after the ice age, probably from somewhere in the balkans or east Europe, which explains the interaction with north Eurasians foragers

R1b probably formed in paleolithic Siberia, maybe European Russia

7fe461  No.12757021

File: a6a9a83c0119853⋯.png (141.85 KB, 496x522, 248:261, paleo-iberia.png)

The maternal genetic make-up of the Iberian Peninsula between the Neolithic and the Early Bronze Age. Scientific Reports (2017):



eebf86  No.12757024


>probably from somewhere in the balkans or east Europe, which explains the interaction with north Eurasians foragers

and also the fact that much of the ancestry of both paleo Dzudzuana caucasus foragers and later neolithic Anatolians stems from a population closely related to WHG/Villabruna

7fe461  No.12757040

File: ee411f0092b0c3a⋯.png (526.66 KB, 769x582, 769:582, siberia.png)

Ancient DNA reveals prehistoric gene-flow from Siberia in the complex human population history of North East Europe. PLoS Genetics (2013):



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>where are you getting this

I don't remember tbh.

>there is no trace of any R derived lineages in Europe until the mesolithic

I think we are in agreement since "derived" suggests, for example, R1a or R1b, and not the originating non-derivitive of R. But idk because I wan't around back then and have to trust the story as it is put together with more studies.

eebf86  No.12757080


well ok, but nevertheless, studies in this direction using ancient DNA are definitely more accurate than early models built just by looking at modern DNA, before 2010 most of the models were based on looking at modern frequency and variation of markers(often few markers), which are obviously limited

nowadays, the amount of ancient DNA from Europe and Eurasia as a whole is huge, covering the early paleolithic(Ust_ishim, 45k BC) all the way to the middle ages, though of course not all areas and periods are covered equally well, DNA from the ancient MENA region only started being sequenced from ~2016

245b0d  No.12757083

Autosomal DNA research is highly suggestive, prone to either deliberate or non deliberate mistakes and is easily manipulated to fit certain (((results))). Y-DNA and MT-DNA research is much more truthful and resistant to manipulation, albeit that (((researchers))) can still make up the data, but it is much more difficult this way, since, for example, it is much more easily controlled.

7fe461  No.12757238

File: fd17c7dd5345546⋯.png (184.74 KB, 728x558, 364:279, haak.2015.gravesites.png)


>anatolia theory

>out of africa theory

Did you know that the oldest dna found in Africa was in North Africa in what is today called 'Morocco'. They call the culture 'Iberomaurusian' since they migrated from Iberia. They are said to be related to the 'Gravettian Culture', the people that predate the 'Soultreans' and made all the "Venus" statues. Their burials date from around 13,000BCE and are now called 'Grotte des Pigeons'. Pic not related.

eebf86  No.12757271

File: 0b615151fc3df49⋯.png (222.17 KB, 824x1158, 412:579, Paleolithic DNA from the C….png)


>Did you know that the oldest dna found in Africa was in North Africa in what is today called 'Morocco'. They call the culture 'Iberomaurusian' since they migrated from Iberia.

not sure how this has anything to do with anatolians or ooa theory

you know that DNA from Iberomaurasians has been sampled, right? from around 15k BC, Taforalt, they didn't have any significant connection to contemporary Iberians, they were in fact quite divergent, possessing heavy deep ancestry(before the split of crown west eurasians and east eurasians), with the rest being related to paleolithic near east

now these are not the earliest Iberomaurasians iirc, who may as well have come in contact with Iberia

they had Y-DNA E1b1b1a1 and mtDNA U6, M1b, the latter of which may in fact ultimately link to Europe given that U6 has been found in paleolithic Romania, with M in paleolithic Italy

eebf86  No.12757284


also, ancient DNA from subsaharan africa also exists, see https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2817%2931008-5

cc96d4  No.12757357


Did you know that the oldest dna sequenced is extracted from 430,000-year-old samples of fossilised tooth and a thigh bones found in Spain’s Sima de los Huesos or "Pit of Bones" ?



Did you know that the oldest dna sequenced from this part of Europe is 1.2 million years old and from what is today called Sierra de Atapuerca, a region of Northern Spain.



Did you also know that 7.2 million-year-old fossils from southern Europe Graecopithecus freybergi suggest that humans split off from the great apes several hundred thousand years earlier than we thought and migrated to Europe.

The fossils were found in 1944 in Greece and joined with a fossilised Graecopithecus premolar found in Bulgaria in 2012.



These studies all but prove that Europeans evolved from a different pre-human hominid than the Africans and Asians and the 200,000 year Out of Africa theory.

cc96d4  No.12757374


Out of Africa is not true haplogroup e is not genetically related to haplogroup a yet they are both african yet we're all to believe that all europeans are arabs and africans evolved. Absolute nonsense.

cc96d4  No.12757384

eebf86  No.12757423


there's a massive difference between sequencing just mtDNA and having nuclear DNA

there's no nuclear DNA available from anywhere older than 50k ybp, which is what matters the most as mtDNA is non nuclear and passed only through the mother line

I do agree though that after the sequencing of mtDNA of neanderthals and denisovans it is possible that the most recent female ancestor of humans may have been part of Eurasian hominins, even if modern Eurasian diversity looks "african"

millions of year old fossils have nothing to do with the OOA for sapiens, there's a difference between OOA for the homo genus and OOA for the sapiens species, even if the genus homo appeared in Europe that doesn't mean sapiens did too

the oldest archaic sapiens fossils are from north Africa(Jebel Irhoud), the levant and east Africa


>Out of Africa is not true haplogroup e is not genetically related to haplogroup a

you are going to have to be more precise, E and A are related by definition of how the tree of Y-DNA diversity is built

that E is "african" is not such a well established fact, it is the only lineage present heavily in africans that descends from the otherwise Eurasian CT, I've seen studies suggesting E may be from a back into Africa migration, the assumption that west africans are "pure" is just that, an assumption

after all, the study I posted on ancient DNA samples from Africa shows that Y-DNA E appears only among the later africans, the earlier ones are A and B related, and these lineages are quite old, A I think is about ~200000 years old

7fe461  No.12757673

File: 64b12cef77efcfb⋯.png (2.55 MB, 999x1713, 333:571, theory.png)



>not contemporary Iberians

But it is. That is a common Northern African / Southern European paternal Haplogroup, for being the major paternal lineage for Bantu-speaking Africans and not a "true" modern European lineage.

It doesn't mean that they didn't migrate from Europe, since they later did migrate to the Levant, where they had not previously been. They must have come from somewhere.

Due to challenging conditions for DNA preservation, relatively few ancient genomes have been recovered from Africa, and none of them so far predate the introduction of agriculture in North Africa. Besides, none of the present-day or ancient Holocene African groups are a good proxy for the sub-Saharan genetic component.

eebf86  No.12757718


>But it is. That is a common Northern African / Southern European paternal Haplogroup

by contemporary I meant contemporary to Taforalt i.e 15000 years ago

most E1b in Europe is E-V13 which is quite divergent from the modern north African one and arrived in the Balkans in the neolithic, with little to no trace of north African autosomal input as it was likely already diluted in natufians, only Iberia has a sensible amount of E-M81, the north African one, and with it some autosomal input ranging 0-10%

you got all of the subclades wrong, Taforalt was already E-M78 or M35, most sub saharan negroes have other divergent versions of E1b, E itself is old as fuck, ~65000 ybp, subclades like M78 are comparatively much younger, ~20000 ybp

there is no basal E in ancient Europe whatsoever, the most basal ones are barely upstream of E-V13 and only appear in the late neolithic, you have to keep in mind the philogeny of it i.e it is a sister clade of D which is mostly an east asian lineage, and comes from DE, while essentially all ancient Europeans derive from CF, a sister clade of DE

cc96d4  No.12757734

File: 6ebf6f9b9504ea2⋯.png (175.84 KB, 595x506, 595:506, out-of-africa.png)


Pic related is lies.

7fe461  No.12757777


>you got all of the subclades wrong

I didn't list any, anon. I simply used your claim here >>12757271 as example of E: "Y-DNA E1b1b1a1". If you were refering to another Iberomaurusian site sample it wan't clear. As others say, and is the consensus around here, "Out of Africa" is not accurate history.

000000  No.12757779



>be more precise

>E and A are related by definition of Phylogenetic Y-DNA Tree

That was the hypothesis a decade ago but the evidence shows the contrary. While Haplogroup A (San-speaking) is thought to be the original human, Haplogroup E (Bantu-speaking) is seemingly unrelated:

>Karafet (2008), in which Hammer is a co-author, significantly rearranged time estimates leading to "new interpretations on the geographical origin of ancient sub-clades". Amongst other things, this article proposed a much older age for Haplogroup E-M96 than had been considered previously, giving it a similar age to Haplogroup D, and DE itself, meaning that there is no longer any strong reason to see it as an offshoot of DE, which must have happened long after DE came into existence and had entered Asia.


>Poznik and Underhill (2015), have claimed Haplogroup E, arose outside of Africa. This model of geographical segregation within the CT clade requires just one continental haplogroup exchange (E to Africa), rather than three (D, C, and F out of Africa). The timing of this putative return to Africa, between the emergence of haplogroup E and its differentiation within Africa by 58 kya, is consistent with proposals, based on non–Y chromosome data, of abundant gene flow between Africa and Arabia 50–80 kya.

So, while the tree is correct with small mutations it seems quite off on large claims such as "mitochondrial eve" for all women.

Besides, I always thought the idea that Europeans are more evolved and Africans are less evolved was "raycis" :^)

noscript kept throwing cross-scripting errors so I couldn't post this without Tor

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000000  No.12757790


It's not entirely. It's just that not all humans come from the same single person or people or they would have died off from inbreeding complications. Are the Nordic people the descendants of the Arabs people? Not a slight chance. There is more likely that the haplogroup "mutations" predate the haploparagroup and the haploparagroup is simply race-mixed and coincidently predating the respective descendent haplogroups.

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eebf86  No.12757821


the point is that E1b1b1a1 is not a bantu speaking lineage, it is already mostly a MENA specific clade, bantu speaking areas have lineages that split before

if you don't distinguish the subclades then arguments about E and its origins lose much of their sense, since the precise ethnic group that mutated E ~65000 years ago is really unknown, most likely some group on the edge between Eurasia and Africa since as I said D on the other hand is mostly found in east Asia

both Ust_ishim and Oase, which are the oldest DNA samples from everywhere, are already within CF so they don't tell us much, one would really need to get DNA for instance from Skuhl-Qafzeh type hominins in the Levant ~100k years ago or at least from ~50k ybp

eebf86  No.12757871


>Poznik and Underhill (2015), have claimed Haplogroup E, arose outside of Africa. This model of geographical segregation within the CT clade requires just one continental haplogroup exchange (E to Africa), rather than three (D, C, and F out of Africa). The timing of this putative return to Africa, between the emergence of haplogroup E and its differentiation within Africa by 58 kya, is consistent with proposals, based on non–Y chromosome data, of abundant gene flow between Africa and Arabia 50–80 kya

not much different from what I'm saying, but again, this doesn't mean A and E are "unrelated"

as for the OOA, there's all sorts of info and findings going on that although don't just disprove it, I think, they at least give some ideas about how things may have gone differently and more multi-regionally

the fact itself that mixing with local hominins has been accepted(against the old OOA with full replacement) is by itself a great argument since it implies that the genetic diversity present in africa may turn out to be due in great part to mixing with ancient local hominins rather than sapiens having evolved there for a long time, with Eurasians generally having much smaller populations and being culled by bottlenecks more frequently, thus reducing the role of Eurasia if one just fixes himself on modern Eurasians

see >>12559257 for instance and http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2018/12/more-statistical-palaeoafricans.html

000000  No.12757918

>According to ancient DNA analyses conducted by Lazaridis et al. (2016) on Natufian skeletal remains from present-day northern Isnotreal, the Natufians carried the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroups E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a,E1b1b1b2b) (2/5; 40%), CT (2/5; 40%), and E1b1(xE1b1a1,E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%). One Natufian individual was also found to belong to the N1b mtDNA haplogroup and two others belonged to the J2a2 mtDNA haplogroup.[41] In terms of autosomal DNA, these Natufians carried around 50% of the Basal Eurasian (BE) and 50% of Western Eurasian Unknown Hunter Gather (UHG) components. However, they were slightly distinct from the northern Anatolian populations that contributed to the peopling of Europe, who had higher Western Hunter Gatherer (WHG) inferred ancestry. Natufians were strongly genetically differentiated from Neolithic Iranian farmers from the Zagros Mountains, who were a mix of Basal Eurasians (up to 62%) and Ancient North Eurasians (ANE). This might suggest that different strains of Basal Eurasians contributed to Natufians and Zagros farmers, as both Natufians and Zagros farmers descended from different populations of local hunter gatherers. Mating between Natufians, other Neolithic Levantines, Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (CHG), Anatolian and Iranian farmers is believed to have decreased genetic variability among later populations in the Middle East. The scientists suggest that the Levantine early farmers may have spread southward into East Africa, bringing along Western Eurasian and Basal Eurasian ancestral components separate from that which would arrive later in North Africa. No affinity of Natufians to sub-Saharan Africans is evident in the genome-wide analysis, as present-day sub-Saharan Africans do not share more alleles with Natufians than with other ancient Eurasians.

>Ancient DNA analysis has confirmed ancestral ties between the Natufian culture bearers and the makers of the Epipaleolithic Iberomaurusian culture of the Maghreb, the Pre-Pottery Neolithic culture of the Levant, the Early Neolithic Ifri n'Amr or Moussa culture of the Maghreb, the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic culture of East Africa, the Late Neolithic Kelif el Boroud culture of the Maghreb, and the Ancient Egyptian culture of the Nile Valley, with fossils associated with these early cultures all sharing a common genomic component.

eebf86  No.12757973

File: e1d83c07cf73da9⋯.png (48.58 KB, 1206x641, 1206:641, Villabruna_vs_Villabruna_c….png)


the qpGraph topology in >>12757271 is from an even more recent paper(2018) including a key population from paleolitic caucasus, what they had called UHG for a long time seems to be that CWE node closely related to Villabruna

that's the thing, what seems to be clear is that much of MENA genetic structure is related to paleoEuropeans in ultimate analysis, I guess CWE or UHG may have been carrying Y DNA IJ, and what fundamentally distinguishes MENA from Europe are the ratios of Villabruna related ancestry

000000  No.12758305


>E1b1b1a1 is not Bantu

Correct. List of purported E1b1b (M215) people:

<Lyndon B. Johnson

<Albert Einstein

<Zinedine Zidane

<Adolf Hitler

Compared to some other paternal Haplogroup E lineages:

E-M2 in East, Central, Southern, and West Africa

E-M33 in Central Africa

E-M75 in East Africa


E-V12 in Southern Egypt

E-V22 in Ethiopia

E-V32 in Somalia

E-V65 on the Mediterranean coast of Africa

Without being exhaustive with these, there is a clear difference between the first group and all the "black" African subclades, such that it suggests that "black" features are the evolutionary change and not the "white" features purported to be subordinate.

000000  No.12759764


>Nobody knows about Italics before Rome, Anon

A notion that Italics never existed before VIII century BC is ludicrous. Neither it addresses anything. It is not even an argument, a bold statement backed by nothing.


Personal feelings are not an argument. Indo-Hittite is a linguistic fact.


First panel triggers my jimmies so much. There is no linguistic evidence of Indo-European presence in the Middle East before the Hittites and maaaybe Gutian invaders who miiiight had been Indo-European because maaaaybe some word endings of their otherwise indecipherable kings' names miiight be alike

So there were no Indo-Europeans outside of Anatolia.

Sumerian and Akkadian show no loanwords from PIE, only from Indo-Aryan invaders of Mitanni thousands of years after PIE split and expanded everywhere. Seriously, Sumerian shows a whooping 3 loanwords - one obviously late from Indo-Aryan via unrelated Hurrian, and one illogical to borrow.

So it leaves one loanword. *šneg4 from PIE *sneigwh for "snow". Because arid Mesopotamia is so full choke of snow, only PIE had a specific word for it other peoples borrowed after many intermediaries.

Why. Just whyyy. Unrelated Nordiggers want to LARP as "we wuz citybuilders n scheisse"?

And on the other hand, Proto-Uralic lives so close for so long it borrowed extremely basic vocabulary. Pot, fish, water, name, sister-in-law. You don't JUST borrow total aliens' words for *name* or *water* after their marginal offshoots JUST happened to pass by.

Shit doesn't work that way. Proto-Uralic and Proto-Indo-European lived very close to each other for a very long time enough to borrow extremely basic words from frequent contacts spanning hundreds of years, if not thousands. Or maybe even - God forbid - happen to have a common origin somewhere in Eastern Europe-Southern Siberia. Where both families have the largest diversity of derived languages, I wonder just how did that happen.

53ccb7  No.12783747

anti slide for the genetics bread

000000  No.12795253



No. It is a theory. A model based on facts but, in itself, is not.

c3c923  No.12795291


>t. Truly MAGA mutts with weak bait


ecd4e6  No.12795851


000000  No.12819916



>in middle east

Some consider the Early Neolithic Farmers as Indo-european and some consider their mixed children (mixed with Paleo-european) are the first Indo-europeans and the language formed as a mix of the two groups' original languages; Germanics are the result of this mixing of genes and language.

53ccb7  No.12820390

File: 19517b33fd14594⋯.png (1.5 MB, 2927x1829, 2927:1829, ClipboardImage.png)

cf5bf2  No.12820975

File: 0d9831851f98bff⋯.jpg (261.64 KB, 1200x1622, 600:811, Angelo_Bronzino_-_Portrait….jpg)


Please let's not forget Bronzino

cf5bf2  No.12820985

File: 735d1a5a54012d8⋯.jpg (117.15 KB, 1030x873, 1030:873, louis14.jpg)

File: 7ddc5aaba295abe⋯.jpg (49.16 KB, 450x568, 225:284, 1113f073a11ff7fba8f2d5cde1….jpg)

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And Bernini

a90f9a  No.12823708


>Bosnia, Respublika Srbska



e04724  No.12823721


Bosnians/Croatians/South-Germans/Slovenians seem to cluster very close, while Bosnians have more 1-2% more CHG

a90f9a  No.12823726


correct, those peoples do cluster close.

nothing in common wih untermenshen levanto-armenoid gayreek filth. honestly, there should be a race war onslaught in the Balkans against gayreek, semi-greek monkedonian, albanian and bulgarian filth

e04724  No.12823742


They are descendants of Minoans tbh.

Minoans were CHG + Anatolian Neolithic

I want to count CHG as an European mixture too because Yamnaya was ~16-24% CHG

a90f9a  No.12823758

File: e56e6744b344c1b⋯.jpg (2.53 MB, 2048x1354, 1024:677, levantoarmenoidrats.jpg)


>They are descendants of Minoans tbh.

they are descendants of levantine faggots and subhuman armenian worms that should be shot on sight

not like ancient hellenic roaches were any native to Europe either. with their predominantly EEF genome that is. HOS knew what's up when it came down to removal of medniggers in the Balkans: line up their families and threat them with executions



>I very often get mistaken as "Middle Eastern" when somebody meets me for the first time. I do not look Middle Eastern. Perhaps it's because I look "very Greek", and people are able to recognize that, but we are automatically considered a Middle Eastern country.

White US Marine sends shitskin Greek he "mistook" for an arab to the hospital




>So far, the following crimes have been attributed to the NSU: the National Socialist Underground murders, a series of murders of nine immigrants of Turkish, Greek and Kurdish descent between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006



>He has described himself as being of "100 percent Greek" descent.[2][3]

>Although he is often cast as characters of Middle Eastern ethnicity, Mantzoukas is of Greek descent.[6]





>Zorba the Greek (Greek: ?????? ???µp??, Alexis Zorba(s)) is a 1964 British-Greek comedy-drama film written, produced, edited, and directed by Cypriot Michael Cacoyannis and starring Anthony Quinn as the title character


>Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca (April 21, 1915 – June 3, 2001), more commonly known as Anthony Quinn, was a Mexican actor, painter and writer. He starred in numerous critically acclaimed and commercially successful films, including La Strada, The Guns of Navarone, Zorba the Greek

a4c395  No.12823768


ignore the cuckchan shitposter

e04724  No.12823787

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Looks like there are some monglers

Like with America, I think we judge them more individually

a90f9a  No.12823807


>all greeks and other southron raperoaches for that matter are mongrels by default no matter how pale and fair they may appear. that's pretty much a fact of their crypto-apefrican genetics.

>I think we judge them more individually

they only way to judge a gayreek is by bashing his head with a hammer

000000  No.12828050


>Some consider the Early Neolithic Farmers as Indo-european

And some consider the Earth flat. Stupid people consider stupid shit.

There is no evidence of Indo-European speakers in the Middle East until Bronze Age, when Yamnaya culture of Eastern Europe had spread everywhere.

If the PIE was born in the Middle East, its neighbors would have had PIE influence on them, as well as PIE would have had Hurro-Urartian, Sumerian or Semitic influence. A lot of it. And none is present.

BUT PIE seems to have had extremely long contacts with Proto-Uralics and Northwest and Southwest Caucasian peoples and languages. Which totally corresponds with the Pontic-Caspian steppe origin, north of the Caucasus and west of the Urals. AND corresponds with R1a/b spread. AND corresponds with archeology.

Late PIE is dead set on Yamnaya culture. There's nothing left to discuss about that.

>Germanics are the result of this mixing of genes and language.

Germanics are 2/3rd steppe nomads in male bloodlines, about 1/3rd paleoeuropeans. And these are Scandinavians and partially British, while Germans and Dutch are full steppe nomads. And EEF seemed to be mostly G2 in male lines, not I1 nor I2, who loaned their tech later, and Scandinavia wasn't particularly conductive to agriculture anyway. They were mostly wiped out in male line anyway.

And Proto-Germanic has no old non-IE influence. Pre-Germanic Substrate hypothesis is no longer maintained, as sizeable amount of supposedly foreign words get IE etymologies, and was shaky before anyway.

This probably comes from Germanics being a mix of R1a para-Balto-Slavic speakers with R1b para-Celto-Italic speakers, which accounts for similarities with both peoples as well as some otherwise weird language shifts.

- Attempts to link obvious steppe nomads with bronze tech and chariots to Middle Eastern Farmers is an ancient wewuzardry.

- Germanics are no weirder than any European IE language or people, and have shown practically no influence from Paleoeuropeans in their language that is noticeable as alien.

- Please update yourself on newer PIEs data instead of XIX folktales. For example http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/05/late-pie-ground-zero-now-obvious.html

72b89c  No.12834665


>And some consider the Earth flat.

You know nothing about Earth, you disgusting subhuman.

20ecfa  No.12834695


>But the Jewish propaganda term "Aryan" as in very fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes… and the supposed "pure Aryans" being the Nordics.

Hitler literally fucking said the Nordics were the highest in Aryan presence. Read a book, kike.

43831b  No.12837353


Where can I find a complete list of sub-species?

43831b  No.12849460

f3dbdf  No.12849492


>And EEF seemed to be mostly G2 in male lines, not I1 nor I2

while anatolia_n was indeed mostly G2(though already with some I2), the further they moved into Europe the more I2 began taking over as they absorbed hunter gatherers, I think already by the early neolithic G2 and I2 are both around 45% while anatolians were like ~70% G2, ~20% I2, G2 was basically getting cucked out already by hg lineages even before steppe nomads left their homeland

I think there's barely any G2 among british neolithic farmers for instance, they are all essentially I2, and Iberian neolithic is kinda the same

this is even visible in modern Sardinia, in the center of the island I2 reaches up to 60% in some areas with G2 barely above R1b or even lower, and the Italian farmers sampled so far were also mostly I2a1a1 except for ötzi

000000  No.12866066


Makes sense tbh.

000000  No.12866092



>In royal Old Persian inscriptions, the term arya- appears in three different contexts:

>- As the name of the language of the Old Persian version of the inscription of Darius I in the Bistun Inscription.

>- As the ethnic background of Darius the Great in inscriptions at Rustam Relief and Susa (Dna, Dse) and the ethnic background of Xerxes I in the inscription from Persepolis (Xph).

>'''- As the definition of the God of Iranians, Ohrmazd, in the Elamite version of the Bistun Inscription.

>In the Dna and Dse, Darius and Xerxes describe themselves as "an Achaemenid, a Persian, son of a Persian, and an Aryan, of Aryan stock". Although Darius the Great called his language arya- ("Iranian"), modern scholars refer to it as Old Persian because it is the ancestor of the modern Persian language.

Aryans are Persians, not Europeans. In fact, Ancient Egypt (tut) rulers were mostly mixed Celtic-Persian, except for the 200yr Kushite rule and the Ptolemy (Greek) later Egypt, before it got overrun by Turks, like Greece and now most of Central Europe. My homeland of Nederlunds has almost no actual Dutch or Franks or Belgic or Frisians anymore. /pol/ must retake Europe and

Resurrect Grater Gaul

61a461  No.12868702

File: dca698895119aee⋯.jpg (75.37 KB, 601x880, 601:880, paleo-dindu.jpg)


>Recovering signals of ghost archaic introgression in African populations

>While introgression from Neanderthals and Denisovans has been well-documented in modern humans outside Africa, the contribution of archaic hominins to the genetic variation of present-day Africans remains poorly understood. Using 405 whole-genome sequences from four sub-Saharan African populations, we provide complementary lines of evidence for archaic introgression into these populations. Our analyses of site frequency spectra indicate that these populations derive 2-19% of their genetic ancestry from an archaic population that diverged prior to the split of Neanderthals and modern humans.

>2-19% of their genetic ancestry from an archaic population that diverged prior to the split of Neanderthals and modern humans

000000  No.12886978


About 14million years ago hominids got some extra dna in a copy "error".

About 4 million years ago hominids used that extra dna to support the growth of a larger brain.

Subsaharan Africans still have this extra dna as it was, and is still, unused.

d71751  No.12886994

File: 64890d2adb79fb8⋯.png (105.08 KB, 200x250, 4:5, ClipboardImage.png)


I thought they were mixed with homo erectus

b625c0  No.12899798


3c8dc6  No.12900071


if it isn't erectus, it may still be quite primitive, look up the Iwo Eleru skull from just 13000 years ago

ce4075  No.12916537

File: f0507ff16682988⋯.png (1.93 MB, 2616x2816, 327:352, iberia.png)

The behemoth is finally out: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230

>The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years

>We assembled genome-wide data from 271 ancient Iberians, of whom 176 are from the largely unsampled period after 2000 BCE, thereby providing a high-resolution time transect of the Iberian Peninsula. We document high genetic substructure between northwestern and southeastern hunter-gatherers before the spread of farming. We reveal sporadic contacts between Iberia and North Africa by ~2500 BCE and, by ~2000 BCE, the replacement of 40% of Iberia’s ancestry and nearly 100% of its Y-chromosomes by people with Steppe ancestry. We show that, in the Iron Age, Steppe ancestry had spread not only into Indo-European–speaking regions but also into non-Indo-European–speaking ones, and we reveal that present-day Basques are best described as a typical Iron Age population without the admixture events that later affected the rest of Iberia. Additionally, we document how, beginning at least in the Roman period, the ancestry of the peninsula was transformed by gene flow from North Africa and the eastern Mediterranean.

Some highlights

>Our Copper Age dataset includes a newly re-ported male (I4246) from Camino de las Yeseras(14) in central Iberia, radiocarbon dated to2473–2030 calibrated years BCE, who clusters with modern and ancient North Africans in the PCA (Fig. 1C and fig. S3) and, like ~3000 BCE Moroccans (8), can be well modeled as having ancestry from both Late Pleistocene North Africans(15)and Early Neolithic Europeans (tables S9 and S10)

>Our genetic evidence of sporadic contacts with North Africa during the Copper Age fits with the presence of African ivory at Iberian sites (16) and is further supported by a Bronze Age individual (I7162) from Loma del Puerco in southern Iberia who had 25% ancestry related to individuals like I4246 (Fig. 1D and table S16). However, these early movements from North Africa had a limited impact on Copper and Bronze Age Iberians, as North African ancestry only became widespread in the past ~2000 years.

>Gene flow from North Africa continued into the Muslim period, as is clear from Muslim burials with elevated NorthAfrican and sub-Saharan African ancestry (Fig.2D, fig. S4, and table S22) and from uniparental markers typical of North Africa not presentamong pre-Islamic individuals (Fig. 2D andfig. S11). Present-day populations from southern Iberia harbor less North African ancestry(25) than the ancient Muslim burials, plausibly reflecting expulsion of moriscos (former Muslims converted to Christianity) and repopulation from the north, as supported by historical sources and genetic analysis of present-day groups (25). The impact of Muslim rule is also evident in northeast Iberia in seven individuals from Sant Julià de Ramis from the 8th to12th centuries CE who, unlike previous ancient individuals from the same region, show North African–related ancestry (Fig. 2C and table S19)and a complete overlap in PCA with present-day Iberians (Fig. 1D).

>In the historical period, our transect begins with 24 individuals from the 5th century BCE to the 6th century CE from the Greek colony of Empúries in the northeast (19) who fall into two main ancestry groups (Fig. 1, C and D, andfig. S8): one similar to Bronze Age individuals from the Aegean, and the other similar to Iron Age Iberians such as those from the nearby non-Greek site of Ullastret, confirming historical sources indicating that this town was inhabitedby a multiethnic population (19). The impact of mobility from the central/eastern Mediterranean during the Classical period is also evidentin 10 individuals from the 7th to 8th century CEsite of L'Esquerda in the northeast, who show a shift from the Iron Age population in the direction of present-day Italians and Greeks (Fig.1D) that accounts for approximately one-quarterof their ancestry (Fig. 2C and table S17). The same shift is also observed in present-day Iberians outside the Basque area and is plausibly a consequence of the Roman presence in the peninsula, which had a profound cultural impact and, according to our data, a substantial genetic impact too.

Iron age Greeks confirmed meds too

ce4075  No.12916538


>From the Bronze Age(~2200–900 BCE), we increase the available dataset (6,7,17) from 7 to 60 individuals and show how ancestry from the Pontic-Caspian steppe (Steppe ancestry) appeared throughout Iberia in this period (Fig. 1, C and D),albeit with less impact in the south (table S13). The earliest evidence is in 14 individuals dated to~2500–2000 BCE who coexisted with local people without Steppe ancestry (Fig. 2B). These groups lived in close proximity and admixed to form the Bronze Age population after 2000 BCE with~40% ancestry from incoming groups (Fig. 2Band fig. S6). Y-chromosome turnover was even more pronounced (Fig. 2B), as the lineages common in Copper Age Iberia (I2, G2, and H) were almost completely replaced by one lineage, R1b-M269.These patterns point to a higher contribution of incoming males than females, also supported by a lower proportion of non local ancestry on the X-chromosome (table S14 and fig.S7), a paradigm that can be exemplified by a Bronze Age tomb from Castillejo del Bonete containing a male with Steppe ancestry and a female with ancestry similar to Copper Age Iberians.

Gonna take a while to digest all of this

000000  No.12936398

bump for my celtic ancestors

000000  No.12940514


Well, maybe they didn't "move" that far to Europe anyhow. The technology moved, agriculture gradually copied by now settling WHG, so by the westernmost reaches of Europe it were I2 agriculturalists moving into I2 hunter-gatherer territory, with rare G2a tag-along. This movement would have taken generations, quite enough time for I2 to copy the brownie tech of agriculturalism.

Anyway, must also take autosomal DNA markers, uniparental ones aren't as telling except whose ur-daddy came from where


>Ancient Egypt


Ayyyy lmao, the western fringes of Europe would like to join the northern fringes in wewuzery.

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