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6e3d3b  No.12020142

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNhFJjGcMPqpuYfxL62VVB9528NXqDNMFXiqN5bgFYiZ1/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html

http://archive.fo/1eLvd

http://archive.fo/HCIT5#selection-97.0-113.206

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/avoid-hosting-of-illegal-material/48/19

HTTP is a lost cause and our popular archival services can only be relied on for so much, and for so long. Perhaps, as our enemies rely on keeping our contact severed and our information restricted, we should be brainstorming ideas on decentralisation and better methods of reliably preserving data and communicating with one another.

Pic related was hacked up in GIMP earlier today, but IPFS can potentially take the concept much, much farther. Filecoin will replace traditional hosting services, mesh tunnelling will replace paid VPNs and content aggregators will replace forum monoliths. But on what other fronts can we stand to gain an edge from? One interesting idea has been toyed with:

https://github.com/smugdev/smugboard

And there is already a growing number of IPFS-based chat services out there. So where else can easily-self-hosted content/databases and p2p projects help us?

8b48c5  No.12020164

>data-sharing application that is designed to recover files using hashed content addresses(links pointing to the content) rather than IP addresses(links pointing to the location)

so the content addresses gotta be somewhere, right?

are they at… an IP address?


8b48c5  No.12020172

>>12020164

and is there a place on the whole internet that ISN'T an IP address?

or maybe I'm just retarded


6e3d3b  No.12020205

File: fbfa8afd05471f7⋯.jpg (65.4 KB, 640x640, 1:1, 10448990_844067165674828_1….jpg)

>>12020164

>>12020172

IPFS runs at a higher level of abstraction than the TCP/IP protocol we generally depend on to contact each other. However, it isn't dependent on any particular host, or any particular protocol, to serve content. Nor does it depend on domain name severs or most of the bottlenecks that hold the web back today. Peers are generated by, and discovered through a modified DHT. It's basically a single, global torrent swarm.

https://ipfs.io/#how


9f47d6  No.12020231

>>12020205

does a IPFS website needs a seeder to be kept alive?


ff7ebd  No.12020241

the way I see it.

ipfs sites will still be taken down for free speech and other illegal activities.

how do you see it?


6e3d3b  No.12020251

File: 2aadb54642f1096⋯.png (93.56 KB, 864x894, 144:149, Screenshot-2018-02-16-at-1….png)

>>12020231

Yes, as does any content. And as well as the inherent 'bitswap' method of providing content that other peers want, there has been a cryptocurrency conceived purely to incentivise the seeding of content:

https://github.com/ipfs/specs/tree/master/bitswap

https://coincentral.com/filecoin-beginners-guide-largest-ever-ico/

>>12020241

In order to take down a single IPFS file, one must physically take down every single node on the network that is hosting it or part of it. In comparison, HTTP service can be denied by interfering with content delivery networks, domain registrars, ISPs, or the content hosts, to name a few. Which do you see as an easier target?


4c52a9  No.12020257

>>12020205

That's actually one hell of a value proposition.


ff7ebd  No.12020264

>>12020251

>>12020241

>must physically take down every single node on the network that is hosting it

how do I access the site after https://www.ipfs.io has blocked my unique url?

>I am asking for my self and all the other normies on this topic.


5bd692  No.12020266

>>12020264

>incorrect usage of greentext

>doesn't understand IPFS at all

lurk moar


ff7ebd  No.12020274

>>12020266

implying that everyone here understands ipfs

>muh only way to use greentext

>>>/suicide/


6e3d3b  No.12020279

>>12020264

ipfs.io is just the official gateway, for the purpose of accessing content through the HTTP-based web. If you have IPFS installed, you can either grab it yourself with "ipfs get [hash]", or use your localhost gateway, or somebody else's.


464467  No.12020297

File: e37cf2bea756159⋯.jpg (18 KB, 294x474, 49:79, konrad_zuse_the_computer_m….jpg)

File: f68673090fc1e9b⋯.png (127.67 KB, 887x305, 887:305, konrad_zuse_most_news_in_a….png)

File: 0ed9bcfaa705169⋯.png (212.79 KB, 893x508, 893:508, konrad_zuse_most_news_in_a….png)

File: ba8f5887db6245a⋯.png (272.39 KB, 911x669, 911:669, konrad_zuse_naivete_1.png)

File: 9d681cf117c5daa⋯.png (344.91 KB, 903x874, 903:874, konrad_zuse_naivete_2.png)

>>12020164

content is stored at potentially thousands and millions of IP addresses. that's the whole point of IPFS. the ADL ziokikes and glory hole @Jack and (((Zucc))) and the libcuck blacked CEO of Cloudfront and the PRISM partners AT&T (BLARNEY) and Verizon (STORMBREW) and Sprint (OAKSTAR) and the NSA can take down one IP address or a network of IP addresses, but they can't take down all IP addresses.

think of IPFS as the equivalent of the Glock in escalating the Internet arms race against The Powers That Be. the Internet race has become exceedingly dismal since the fond days when dew-eyed hippy idealism about the Information Superhighway dominated the mindscape in the 1990's. arguably, the Internet arms race is already a lost war, reducing us to isolated guerilla hit and run tactics and the eventual extinction of the old cypherpunk dream that Information Wants to Be Free and that the Internet Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It.

the (((you know who's))) are nearly on the verge of turning the Internet in America into the Internet in Totalitarian Communist China.

me amigo, i'd say it is a moral duty of any denizens of these here chans under this looming New Dark Age to run an IPFS node and donate your bandwidth and disk space to the cause of Freedom of Speech to mirror and keep shadowbanned and suspended content alive and available and free on IPFS.

btw, images are pages from the autobiography "Konrad Zuse: The Computer, My Life"

http://

download1.libgen.io/

ads.php?md5=0AD1C48B9B3B034C9F23471285198476


ff7ebd  No.12020310

>>12020297

>>12020279

I have read about ipfs 1 or 2 years ago and I was excited about It, I just didn't know how to bring it to use.

I think I will use it for some projects and I will also consider hosting.

I think many are already sponsoring their bandwith for torrents and they will also host ipfs when they see that it has more benefits to society than hosting jewish movies.


5bd692  No.12020356

>>12020341

not going to that botnet, but does it use the data: URI scheme with base64 encoding?


ff7ebd  No.12020368

File: f26382a60c3051e⋯.png (426.17 KB, 1728x2734, 864:1367, bitty.png)

File: b9274e9a2744bdc⋯.jpg (115.07 KB, 756x553, 108:79, jewish portrait.jpg)

>>12020341

>use this website to archive your data goyim


464467  No.12020414

File: dd40dd9cf2feb5f⋯.gif (4.11 MB, 327x251, 327:251, josey_wales_spit.gif)

>>12020241

way i sees it, you're espousing that ol' bull of self-defeating self-fulfilling prophecy surrender, which is all too common round here.

if you never bother to try because you think you'll fail, then you have already failed.

instead of letting the slave's mentality guide you, why not think like a fucking warrior?

please, by all means, let the Federale door kickers come and get me and seize my IPFS node. I WANT THEM TO. because i want to be the first Court case to make it all the way to SCOTUS to force The State to definitively decide for the Law of the Land whether participating in a decentralized anonymous encrypted p2p network is Free Speech or is Illegal Speech. choose door number 1, and Free Speech continue as normal, escalating to hide in ever more uncensorable crevices. choose door number 2, and ban IPFS, and tip your hand to the general public that they do not really possess any Free Speech and that TPTB can arbitrarily decide whether your speech is illegal. either door is a win for the long-game. throwing yourself onto the burning pyre to become a free speech martyr is one of the greatest achievements anyone could accomplish.


a2fe93  No.12020432

>>12020368

>literally cannot read

Fuck off.

>>12020356

Here’s the GitHub for it: https://github.com/alcor/itty-bitty


6e3d3b  No.12020433

>>12020310

>when they see that it has more benefits to society than hosting jewish movies

Au contraire, a good enough platform for movie piracy may just be what swings a heavy amount of laymen towards the idea of IPFS.


c42efd  No.12020461

Do you know what's the problem with your project? I mean apart from bugs (it is in alpha) and the fact that it hungrily eats up slow connections.

There is currently absolutely nothing interesting there that one can't find on clearweb. Populate it with something that is easy to grab but which forces you to connect. Then we start talking about a useful project.

I mean, seriously. We have all these "new" (or old) types of networks. Onion, Zeronet, I2P, usenet, etc. etc.. And all of them offer nothing that you can't find on clearweb, they are all underpopulated, and just begging for people to come over. And the only people that actually do are into CP or some shit.

Seriously. Give us some serious content, create a /pol/ home for us, and you may get some people to transition.


699dcc  No.12021296

>>12020297

>New Dark Age

Anon, you are aware the (((Dark Age))) is a jewish meme to represent a time when jews were barred from political, economical, academic, or media activity in the White Man's land, aren't you? Using this expression to represent the White man makes you a shabbos goy.

>censorship is bad

Censorship is perfectly fine when it protects a a nation against degeneracy. This distinction is important because free speech is a jewish vehicle that allows jew to express degeneracy and destroy the moral character of the nation they've infected. Jewish power lies in their ability to think up the most depraved shit and express it through voice, amplified by movies, television, and Internet, which is the most dangerous of all vehicles since no barrier exists to prevent their depravity from reaching every toddler and granny across all races and nations. It allows them to amplify and embolden their nigger proxies and sandnigger golems against the White man.

>>12020414

> the long game is pleb hate against censorship

That's not how the game is played at all. You don't even know the rules and erroneously make these dumb conclusions. The game is simply this: rig everything against Whites, but not against the shitskin hoards. There will be no shitskin plegs rising up against censorship against Whites. The issue isn't which type of speech is acceptable or not, but censorship which proceeds White genocides by jewish proxies.

>be judicial court martyr

This isn't a battle that will be won in courts, anon. That boomerthink belongs on plebbit, not in /pol/. Lurk 2 years before speaking again.

>>12020461

> the problem is this

IPFS is a great censorship platform, but it needs to be easily accessible, particularly by Whites whom most need it. Make a smartphone app that simplifies access and you'll become golden.


699dcc  No.12021302

>>12021296

> be IPFS censorship-proof


373315  No.12021357

File: 6d0bfb0c0c27b1f⋯.jpg (19.59 KB, 500x332, 125:83, -b-u-m-p-.jpg)


6cb7bf  No.12021548

This isn't /pol/ cunt. Fuck off.


822f9a  No.12021650

>>12021548

sage negated


bd07cb  No.12021680

this website will be alive for as long the internet is alive, all you need is a way to execute userscripts in your browser and then simply visit any website and add /bratwurst.kompani at the end of URL

// ==UserScript==
// @description this is the motherfucking website
// @name bratwurst.kompani
// @match http*://*/bratwurst.kompani
// @version 14.88
// @run-at document-start
// ==/UserScript==
document.getElementsByTagName("html")[0].innerHTML = "<body><marquee><p>KRAUT DANCE PARTY 24/7</p></marquee><br><br><center><video loop autoplay src=\"https'':''//a.doko.moe/putukw.webm\"></video></center><marquee><p>JUDEN VERBOTEN</p></marquee></body>";
document.title = "bratwurst ist gut";


934451  No.12021857

>>12021680

Nobody cares about your Delete System32 faggot >>>/oven/

>>12021548

IPFS is used in >>>/pdfs/ for books and archives, so we are technically /poltech/ here.

IPFS is just BitTorrent on steroids if you can't into Linux then just use https://orion.siderus.io/


934451  No.12021862

>>12020264

IPFS has many gateways, GG

https://ipfs.github.io/public-gateway-checker/

Also learn2 command-line. Or use Orion if you are weak


1a6b0c  No.12021883

>>12021519

>, even thought they were affected by geoglacial changes as has been proven by ice-core samples.

Hey sounds interesting, got a link to the paper(s)? I'm at work and wondering how to fill the last few hours.


4763b1  No.12022101

>>12020142

also check out mediadrop. it's a neat open source video hosting software.


5ede3b  No.12022111

>>12020142

Maybe some /tech/ fags can jump in, but if a site has HTTPS, it should be possible to use IPFS as an authoritative archive.is alternative, no?

As in, capture the whole HTTPS transaction - and because we have the whole transaction, we can prove that the content is undoctored?

Is that what this does:

https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

Requesting that /tech/ fags create a pleb-friendly frontend for the above.

Also, for Tweets, DMS's, or any other short message that needs to be highly censor-resistant: memo.cash


0bca9c  No.12024077

File: baec78e2bc152e9⋯.jpg (59.35 KB, 960x640, 3:2, 430458_365511046807548_100….jpg)

>>12020461

Usenet is antiquated. I2P is bogged down by latency/bandwidth issues. Onion is subject to the follies of HTTP.

Right now, the bugs are really the more pressing drawbacks to IPFS. We can't expect any significant shift of users to the new protocol if there are no platforms built for them (and relying on most end users wanting to navigate the CLI is not wise), and we can't efficiently develop platforms while parts of the functionality and design lack in intuitiveness. Fortunately the development teams seem to be aware of many of these things, and platforms are still being created regardless (see the smugboard link in the OP if you want to look into a possible IPFS /pol/).

What should probably be a precedence is taking existing established services that are based mostly on IPFS already - DTube for example - and push them off HTTP entirely (or alternatively, create clones). Then, play up the freedom angles when spreading word about them to the public. And it goes without saying, try to populate them with content that people will actively seek out. Establishing contact with people who already make that content for this purpose would also be a good step.

>>12022111

>Is that what this does:

Yes, it seems that is implied in the section about WARC header parsing in "indexer.py".


87d8d0  No.12024086

No

You had your chance, you blew it.


01c011  No.12024158

>>12024077

I think a high priority item would be a browser extension that WARC's and uploads to IPFS.

I actually did a bit more research into

>>12022111

… last night and I don't understand how it manages to replay HTTPS. Problem is, though we can record the transaction, I don't believe Chrome provides an interface to actually get the keys needed to decipher the handshakes (I looked at QtWebEngine and couldn't see an interface that could achieve this either).

But, the benefit of a Browser extension is that it would alleviate the need to leverage a third party service that can only record a particular URL. For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page. This has always been a limitation of traditional archiving services - if someone were to infiltrate Skippy's social media circle, for instance, they could not pass the URL's to a traditional archiving service because it would be behind an authentication wall.

All that said, I'm not entirely familiar with HTTPS and the interfaces that most browsers provide, so if anyone could provide more insight as to whether it is:

>feasible to create a WARC+IPFS extension for Chrome/Firefox/Falkon or similar

>have the ability for the WARC to be proven as an authentic transaction via HTTPS

… that'd be great. Will CC the /tech/ department to see if they have anything to contribute in this regard.


ba7aa7  No.12025386

>>12024158

https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

https://github.com/ludios/grab-site

https://github.com/webrecorder/webrecorder

https://github.com/internetarchive/warc

https://github.com/N0taN3rd/Squidwarc

https://github.com/machawk1/warcreate

https://github.com/machawk1/wail

https://github.com/n0tan3rd/wail

Your first challenge: understand what these repos do


936fc4  No.12025600

>>12025386

I think you misunderstand my concern. Scraping a website and storing it is easy. What I don't believe is easy and someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me here is proving that what's scraped is the actual authentic response from a particular domain.

For example, I could scrape http://somesite.com (note the use of http and not https), but I could easily MITM attack the content to inject whatever I wanted - or straight up just modify it after the fact.

My question is around how HTTPS behaves. If I were to scrape my internet traffic while visiting a HTTPS site using a software suite like Wireshark, for example, I would be unable to view the decrypted data. So, the idea I'm speaking of here is basically recording the whole HTTPS session + the decryption key established in the handshake. I'm assuming and again, may be wrong that this would provide proof that the response is in fact signed by the HTTPS certificate possessed by the domain being scraped. Attempting to modify this content would then invalidate the signature - so it could be proven if it was an authentic response versus a tampered response.

>https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

This only mentions HTTP in the description.


ddadea  No.12026519

>>12024158

>>12025600

>For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page

Now that's the kind of ingenuity I was looking for, anon. You've certainly looked more deeply into this than I have, so I'm not sure I could give you many new insights here, but maybe looking into how public key pinning works will help clarify the matter for you. Or certificate transparency, the implementation that Google opted for instead (because, they claim, of security reasons).

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7469

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6962


821147  No.12030194

>>12025600

The thing to understand is the way of which these software does archiving. If we don't know how WARC is made, and how WARC can be dumped into IPFS, the project is useless on the get-go


9d3086  No.12030527

>>12030194

>If we don't know how WARC is made

>the project is useless on the get-go

The more important factor here is the HTTPS question - and whether it is technically possible to verify that a HTTPS request/response has not been tampered. Even if this does not fit into a WARC format, a new container can be built for it - if it is possible.

>and how WARC can be dumped into IPFS

This is trivial. IPFS can accept any type of file.


1f2f48  No.12030745

>>12030527

The issue (being a bike shed) is whether this is "reinventing the wheel" or not.


9d3086  No.12030768

>>12030745

Great post, it glows.


6e3d3b  No.12031843

File: aafead520a32b59⋯.jpg (117.79 KB, 640x480, 4:3, QR-codes.jpg)

>>12030745

Could you point us to which of those programs are trying to accomplish the same thing (SSL cert-verified session recording)?

>>12020341

To extend an idea from the OP picture and here, /pol/ could probably make use of sharing their IPNS/IPFS sites via the use of public QR codes. The articles could focus on any topic you like, but a blog for example, focusing mostly on your town/local community and the news/issues more relevant to them would be a more amicable place to start. And you could always drop a few more leads a bit further into the rabbit hole throughout the articles ("why is the industry in my town so dead?" "I didn't know income inequality here was so high" "what's with all the crime?").


407944  No.12034741

>>12031843

Public-private key cryptography is only used to verify the server and to transfer a symmetric key which is used to encrypt the actual content. Considering that the client has this symmetric key it should be easy for someone to forge the actual content of the response and put it in an archive.

That is unless the server uses something like this http s://github. com/WICG/webpackage/tree/master/go/signedexchange .


9d3086  No.12036169

>>12034741

Thank you, this is the kind of response I was after.

So basically, content is encrypted (with symmetric key) and not signed, what we're trying to do here probably is not possible. Do you know of any plans to incorporate "content signing" (or whatever name it might be called) into the HTTPS protocol asides from the PoC link you gave?

I don't imagine many sites would opt to implement this as it would probably only ever implicate them.

Can you think of any other alternatives to this problem?


407944  No.12037788

>>12036169

A trusted archiving/mirroring website could implement content signing. Then anyone could download this signed copy in case the original mirror was taken down.

Or we could false flag them into submission while at the same time implementing content signing at our sites, such as 8chan, to prevent them from doing the same.


02d7cb  No.12043064

torsocks ipfs init

yay or nay?


404265  No.12044376

>>12020205

It does not replace TCP/IP but http.

IP is just the addressing/packet transmission service and not cause of the problems mentioned above.

So no need to replace it.


6e3d3b  No.12045005

File: b80a47f81a45b34⋯.webm (1.69 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, wtf i love bernie now.webm)

>>12036169

>I don't imagine many sites would opt to implement this as it would probably only ever implicate them.

An excellent point.

>>12037788

>Or we could false flag them into submission while at the same time implementing content signing at our sites, such as 8chan, to prevent them from doing the same.

An excellent solution. My one worry would be that they would use that to downplay the authenticity of the archives we already have, but that may be remedied if we make sure that the services we create are notably separate from the authentic ones we like to use right now, as well as putting a lot of emphasis onto the 'session' factor of falsehood (something that would require a session to actually load, but not fake - like an old Instagram photo or a private message from someone on a signed-in account).

>>12043064

Tor is ultimately not even close to infallible, and it seems to have slipped by everyone that the entirety of the network is being supported by a mere 1000 exit nodes, if that.

https://metrics.torproject.org/relayflags.html?start=2016-05-15&end=2018-08-22&flag=Exit

Fortunately for us, Tor is not the alpha and omega of onion routing.

>>12044376

>It does not replace TCP/IP but http

Of course. It's a separate level of abstraction entirely to TCP/IP. But, if I'm understanding the white paper right, it also does not depend on TCP entirely for generating node identities and routing them (ie, it is interchangeable, if such a solution were to appear - much like it is with HTTP).


ddadea  No.12058497

File: 10c901514bebadc⋯.png (53 KB, 673x353, 673:353, routing.png)

File: 803d5053c7f713e⋯.png (22.18 KB, 780x379, 780:379, NDN_Architecture_Stack.png)

>>12044376

>>12045005

Adding to this,

The potential for modularity seems to be important to Protocol Labs. A DHT is also not necessary for IPFS' routing interface (static hash tables or databases can be used instead) and block exchange strategies can be altered by any node.

The problems with IP parallel those with HTTP, only instead of reliance on domain registrars and Cloudflare, you are at the whims of IANA, your ISP and giant telecommunications providers like CenturyLink and Verizon - even stronger monopolies. Infrastructure is also a physical matter, and bound even more tightly to jurisdiction than the abstract software used for routing. PL anticipated these worries, and constructed IPFS with Named Data Networking (and the death of IP) in mind - where, like their content-addressed file system, content chunks (or blocks) are central to the network.

Likewise, the benefits gained from transitioning are also the same - lower congestion, freedom to publish and ability to serve data widely, restoring anonymity, and so on. That the frontrunners of this research are the NSF makes one wonder how that might benefit them.


9c2e08  No.12075285

bamperino


db95ad  No.12078427

File: 9f6ea7bb3993862⋯.jpg (37.61 KB, 550x575, 22:23, born_do_shitbost.jpg)

IPFS is shit. From what I can tell, it stores content on your HDD. That's a big NOPE for me right there. Storing darkweb content on your HDD is a BAD FUCKING IDEA.

I2P is secure, easy to set up, and works more like the internet we already know and love.


6e7432  No.12078442

>>12078427

Has the fact I2P runs on a Java VM been addressed yet? That sounds shady as fuck itself.


2b959e  No.12078648

Told you this was the future.

I said it a year ago, and you losers called me a nigger.

Channel upon channel of encryption, where no one can read into anyone else’s channel without the proper keys.

You’re nerd food goons.


2b959e  No.12078656

>>12078427

Shits not secure, read slashdot nigger.


9852d6  No.12079344

>>12021514

Of course they still were jews anon…. They are called something else back then.


7a3a64  No.12079571

>>12030768

No, (((you))) are the one who want to make another software stack. Do it then.

>HTTPS request/response has not been tampered.

https://security.stackexchange.com/a/37710

Trivial As Fuck

>>12031843

>which of those programs are trying to accomplish the same thing (SSL cert-verified session recording)

I am saying he is trying to dodge the whole WARC system without proposing an alternative.

SSL cert-verified session recording is basically air-tight (unless your browser is fucked with MITM or cert-editing)

This has made good note about the issue >>12034741

>>12045005

Good post. Basically all archives are mutable by definition under the current system. If we are archiving our enemies' websites the only credibility that we would have are "word of mouth".

>>12058497

Nice.

>>12078427

Now THIS is a glow-in the dark. Unless you seed it it will only be in RAM.

>>12078442

C-implementation is not ready yet, you can test it though


db95ad  No.12079768

File: df230723312305d⋯.jpg (148.21 KB, 1480x959, 1480:959, meanwhile_at_google.jpg)

GOOD LUCK HOSTING A *chan ON IPFS YOU NIGGERS.

IPFS may be ok for storing/sharing data, but IPFS seems to have no indexing, so good luck finding anything on it unless someone hands you a fucking link to their site/files.

However;

I2P does torrents within the I2P network for storing/sharing data.

I2P does actual dynamic websites, and is home to several *chans. (IPFS seems geared towards static content, and "smugboard" seems merely to be a workaround)

I2P also has IRC.

The internal addressbook of I2P lists all sites known to your I2P router, and the "eepstatus" site on I2P shows you all the new and otherwise unknown sites.


5c78fa  No.12079831

File: 06512b1a75bcc3e⋯.jpg (64.4 KB, 599x546, 599:546, 1468243981061.jpg)

>>12079768

>*chans


7f87dd  No.12079887

>>12020142

Not to shit on IPFS, but if you don't feel like using a command line tool or instaling a billion programs, there's also Freenet, which is basically the same thing and works all from within your browser. It has plugins for forums and a Facebook-like social network, too.


e39db0  No.12079956

>>12079768

Once Urbit has matured it'd be a great way for anons to host images, videos, etc. I've been thinking about creating an Urchan for the platform, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it.


0bca9c  No.12082249

File: 08cd1cd1b6e1804⋯.png (222.68 KB, 1565x828, 1565:828, screenFetch-2018-06-15_04-….png)

>>12078427

>>12079768

You can only repeat misconceptions here and in other threads so many times before your bad faith starts to shine through.

>>12078607

Yes, I presume he's talking about the Bitswap exchange I briefly mentioned here >>12020251 , which fetches blocks for other peers to encourage them to seek your desired content in return. Not only does the IPFS daemon need to be running for this (which isn't necessary if you just want to fetch content), but these blocks are also stored in non-persistent RAM caches. And like you said, you only store on your HDD what you choose to download.

>>12079571

>I am saying he is trying to dodge the whole WARC system without proposing an alternative

Ah, I see the misunderstanding then. If my slim understanding of WARC is right (which I am just gleaning from looking over the initial ISO draft), then with it being merely formatting focused, I doubt there would be any restriction on keeping session data too, with little or (hopefully) no modification to the standard. If basic JS functions can already be used through Wayback Machine captures, then it should be possible to capture asynchronous data too, right?

http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf

>>12079675

>>12079786

Hi anon, how is it coming along so far? I've never gotten as far as running it myself.

Also, why JS over Go?

>>12079887

Regarding the OP pic, MDwiki was included as a very simple proof of concept for generating elegant-looking HTML pages without needing any knowledge of HTML. IPFS itself suffices for fetching content, but I'm more concerned specifically with what we can build on top of it.

I do not know how Freenet handles addressing, but I don't know of anywhere the deduplication, versioning and routing versatility of IPFS is mirrored within Freenet.


a7abd9  No.12082332

>>12020205

>it isn't dependent on any particular host

>Nor does it depend on domain name severs

>modified DHT

they could shoah the DHT at multiple levels


a7abd9  No.12082333

>>12082332

(((they)))


0bca9c  No.12082640

>>12082332

>>12082333

Checked, and please elaborate.


6e3d3b  No.12084512

File: 2380d89131420a5⋯.png (25.69 KB, 790x100, 79:10, COINTELPRO.png)


6e3d3b  No.12084870

>>12084517

>>12084527

Recently I finished the 'abstract' outline of my project, and entered the long-haul design phase. I've been studying the IPFS spec and some third party libraries (and other docs) as part of that, but haven't yet gotten to any 'compiling' stage.

https://docs.ipfs.io/guides/concepts/mfs/

https://cluster.ipfs.io/

https://github.com/ipfs/papers/raw/master/ipfs-cap2pfs/ipfs-p2p-file-system.pdf

https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs

https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard

https://flyingzumwalt.gitbooks.io/decentralized-web-primer/content/

https://ipfs.io/docs/examples/example-viewer/example#../api/service/readme.md

https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/48

And for anyone looking to work with the default Go implementation:

>>>/pdfs/10048


4a5dde  No.12088181

>>12084517

Steemit and IPFS+ETH is for monetary rewards, otherwise IPFS is just a global-tracker with hashes for all files and folders.

>>12082332

It's FOSS, so it can't be shoahed.

>>12079887

You never tried https://orion.siderus.io ?

>>12079956

Very hopeful that Urbit will work.

>>12082249

>Ah, I see the misunderstanding then. If my slim understanding of WARC is right (which I am just gleaning from looking over the initial ISO draft), then with it being merely formatting focused, I doubt there would be any restriction on keeping session data too, with little or (hopefully) no modification to the standard. If basic JS functions can already be used through Wayback Machine captures, then it should be possible to capture asynchronous data too, right?

Not too sure as these things are the kind of stuff that archive.fo others won't show you. We need to do more research on that.

Also instead of Freenet you can try Retroshare like those degenerates in >>>/hypno/41015


7e521a  No.12088721

File: aead7b33eb2ea92⋯.png (117.14 KB, 1600x2600, 8:13, how-to-screenshot-or8.png)

sort of related, after you screen shot with firefox


0bca9c  No.12111524

File: e719d7d7fc2eae6⋯.jpg (96.01 KB, 800x465, 160:93, Dj0EcDZV4AAfJYT.jpg)

>>12079956

>>12088181

I've just glossed over some Urbit & Retroshare material.

The idea of Urbit's limited addresses (and the early sale of them) concern me a little, but it seems like a very interesting concept nonetheless. I've noticed it was founded by a 'neoreactionary' figure (Curtis Yarvin) and backed by Thiel too, to give some possible political context to their motive (a "digital republic", with Roman-style governance). That said, it's workings are generally quite vague, unless you can bother to sift through the 57-page paper. So I can't say much right now.

RetroShare seems simple enough from an end-user point if you aren't looking for any demanding or specialised service. Probably works quite well as a messenger.


b79db3  No.12111563

>>12084512

>>12082640

different anon, but look up sybil attack for an idea on how DHTs and nodes can be manipulated

while IPFS is promising, it still does not directly solve this problem, it only makes it harder to pull off. in their own words:

"Nodes are identified by a NodeId, the cryptographic hash of a public-key, created with S/Kademlia’s static crypto puzzle. Nodes store their public and private keys (encrypted with a passphrase). Users are free to instatiate a “new” node identity on every launch, though that loses accrued networkbenefits. Nodes are incentivized to remain the same."

tl;dr it's secure but not bulletproof


4a5dde  No.12117818

>>12111524

>>12111563

Any progress/ideas?


21b6c6  No.12118384

>>12078427

Plausible deniability, IPFS is part of the future. Not just darkweb things. It is all thing distributed. True, it is not for everyone because it will eat bandwidth and in some cases requires lots of space. Best practices requires a stand along box for IPFS work. Never on your own day to day PC.


ddadea  No.12125104

File: 78bc453dc5de69f⋯.png (129.65 KB, 674x500, 337:250, 1488661589352.png)

>>12111563

I feel like that anon was talking in a much broader scale - like a simple killswitch for the whole routing system - and implying that was a reason for avoiding it, as if there is currently any better alternative before NDN comes around. And I also still doubt he was being earnest in his reply.

You do have a point about possible sybil attacks, though. One of the parts of the paper that I questioned was why some kind of signing wasn't inherent to ID generation, especially considering a PKI was already present. Fortunately, that has little, if any effect on quickly verifying IPFS blocks themselves after downloading, and if need be, any application built on top of the protocol could include such a solution.

>>12117818

All of the facilities needed to publish files through IPFS currently exist. Indexes for these however, are scarce. So start to create archives, or index files that have already been published. I mentioned one possible application of this here:

>>>/pdfs/10048

in being able to mirror the board's uploads (the thread was stickied not long after that, so it seems there is some interest there). But go further than literature. Publish your /pol/ folder. Convince a YouTube channel to mirror all of their content, or even do it yourself. Create a blog about self-sufficiency. Anything that people will find valuable enough to at least pay attention to.


ddadea  No.12125342

>>12125104

Wrong /pdfs/ link

>>>/pdfs/10049


786212  No.12139674

Abandoning static private webpages was a mistake


77e3e8  No.12140445

>>12139674

No, you are


18336f  No.12167079

>>12125104

Who wants to Orbit-DB everything? Or a search engine?


0bca9c  No.12188181

File: 4d24f5f1a6de997⋯.jpg (327.49 KB, 1354x700, 677:350, cvd-banner.jpg)

>>12082249

A correction here regarding BitSwap: I was getting my info from the white paper which apparently is several years out of date. A dev has recently told me that block-fetching for other nodes hasn't actually been implemented at all, and perhaps because of the legal tensions that it could cause, is unlikely to be added in the future. The blocks that you request are only the ones that you are seeking yourself, and the ones you serve are only the ones you already have in your repo (on your HDD).

>>12167079

There is actually an existing search engine, though documentation is quite light:

https://ipfs-search.com/

https://github.com/ipfs-search

I've wondered how well Orbit might fare as an IRC equivalent, but haven't really looked into it.


102d34  No.12188206

>>12188181

>make yourself impossible to identify by face recognition

>by making yourself easily recognisable in every other way


1d689a  No.12188371

Bump


2e064c  No.12188400

The major weakness in all of these systems is illegal content (CP) and copyright infringement. Both of these can be used arbitrarily to shut down opposition. Any legal proceedings for possession of these materials will be a show trial run by clowns.

I am developing a human-like object detector which can serve as an API that can flag any image that resembles humans in the slightest bit to get around the CP problem.


1dd02c  No.12188454

So instead of hosting my own stuff on my own hardware that I pay for, I'm just going to upload stuff to the "cloud" and then hope that whoever else is running this IPFS thing (out of the goodness of his heart) is going to have adequate resources and the will to keep my stuff online. Obviously you can see that this is communist retard shit and it won't work for anything beyond little hobby sites. No one is actually going to use (((IPFS))) for anything serious and so it is retarded. sage.


729bb0  No.12188485

>>12020297

I get really lost in any network/computer thread, can anyone suggest me a study plan or related books in this subject? Thanks.


7757c8  No.12188757

>>12188181

Is that facial recognition using dlib or mt?


6bc55a  No.12188770

>>12188400

>The major weakness in all of these systems is illegal content (CP) and copyright infringement.

Yep. If it doesn't already exist because of some sick cunt who wants to abuse the beauty of freedom, they'll just fucking plant it. You need to be extremely pro-active in removing it and immunizing against it.

Copyright infringement can get fucked, though.


0bca9c  No.12189054

File: 6bf2a869ccac1f3⋯.jpg (119.75 KB, 700x985, 140:197, Kabul.jpg)

>>12188206

Alternatively, vantablackface.

>>12188400

>>12188568

>>12188770

IPFS is not a blockchain. Like I explained above, there is no unwitting hosting of content you do not explicitly request. If there was any precedent to go after IPFS in general (which would already be quite difficult) for CP existing on the network, there would also be a precedent to take down all HTTP services.

Filecoin is a blockchain that provides storage for anyone willing to pay (and payouts for anyone willing to host), but that isn't intrinsically tied to IPFS.

>>12188454

>So instead of hosting my own stuff on my own hardware that I pay for,

There is nothing to stop you from doing that. Please try harder.

>>12188485

For IPFS? It's a very new program, and still hasn't been officially released yet. But the white paper covers most of the existing concepts and the dev team on freenode IRC (#ipfs) can help you with the rest.

If you want to learn Golang, the language that the main IPFS implementation is written in, I've linked a book uploaded on /pdfs/ here >>12125342

If you're looking for resources on networking in general, I believe CISCO has published a lot in that area.


fbe24b  No.12189776

File: 63351e6a320b4f3⋯.png (125.74 KB, 277x391, 277:391, 63351e6a320b4f3f45006b5b82….png)

File: 0e0cb6ea3e2ae49⋯.png (880.68 KB, 800x1124, 200:281, 0e0cb6ea3e2ae493b63e8e0c0b….png)

File: 77941f1bb9e2770⋯.jpg (51.71 KB, 450x338, 225:169, 77941f1bb9e277060710e8a97a….jpg)

>>12020297

despite the shill attack, you're on the right track here. We can argue the merits of free speech after we have a viable platform to protect it. I have known in my bones that censorship is wrong my entire life. Nobody had to point it out.

The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

Young one, listen to me. Communication as we know it is under attack. You already can't tell if I'm a bot, shill, or neckbeard. Everything we know as the internet must be decentralized. Do not trust the cloud, do not run on Azure, AWS. Do not run docker containers. Think TempleOS, not OSX. You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen. Go.


8298b4  No.12190451

>>12188770

>>12188400

CP bombing => degeneracy bombing

>>12111563

>>12125104

Any secondary backup plans with Torrents, Retroshare and Sia/Storj?


8298b4  No.12190457

>>12079768

Remember that OpenBazaar has I2P and TOR support.


2e064c  No.12190464

>>12026519

>>For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page

Already possible using automated tools for many years such as Selenium web driver


2e064c  No.12190475

File: 831d4fd85349cfc⋯.jpg (9.97 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 1492398226224.jpg)

>>12188770

>because of some sick cunt who wants to abuse the beauty of freedom, they'll just fucking plant it


c57451  No.12192769

File: 001825b0d29ee2b⋯.png (125.82 KB, 277x391, 277:391, 001825b0d29ee2b0563e5fdde3….png)

File: 94e4337b206f6c4⋯.jpg (51.68 KB, 450x338, 225:169, 7HTqMtOueD7o.jpg)

File: 80b14b3333fadf3⋯.png (881.22 KB, 800x1124, 200:281, 80b14b3333fadf380d25986bc6….png)

>>12020297

despite the shill attack, you're on the right track here. We can argue the merits of free speech after we have a viable platform to protect it. I have known in my bones that censorship is wrong my entire life. Nobody had to point it out.

The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

Young one, listen to me. Communication as we know it is under attack. You already can't tell if I'm a bot, shill, or neckbeard. Everything we know as the internet must be decentralized. Do not trust the cloud, do not run on Azure, AWS. Do not run docker containers. Think TempleOS, not OSX. You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen. Go.>>12020297

<reposting this as it got shoa'd the first time I posted it.


57ff0a  No.12192842

>>12020142

My question is, can we make an IPFS server to host all content on the network, as it is today, as a localized cache / seed machine, for the network, and how much storage would it reasonably require to run it?

The whole internet hasn't been archived yet, so I am assuming that IPFS has a rather small footprint of available data, right now.

There again, assume makes an ass out of you and me.

But, still, can dedicated, IPFS systems be setup to use as host for the network, and download the content locally for seeding, or reading by the end user? Last time I played with it, it worked well, for hosting and archiving your own shit, but didn't really have an "easy" way to access the content of others, like a "Jewgoole" type search engine for content already stored.


963bf4  No.12192948

>>12189776

>The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

>

>If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

The first thing I ever downloaded from a BBS was "The Complete Guide to Bestiality and Necro-Beastiality." (muh edge)

Then I found 2600 and PHRACK. (2600/HOPE is pozzed now sadly, they were triggered by a MAGA hate this year.)


963bf4  No.12192959

>>12189776

>>12192948

http://www.textfiles.com/history/

>The purpose of the history section is for people who lived through the "Golden Age" of BBSes to write about their experience. They can write about it from the point of view of someone looking back, or they can try to recreate the feelings they had when they went through it in childhood (or early adulthood).


934451  No.12212283

New Kid On The Block: Beaker Browser's DAT

https://github.com/datprotocol


934451  No.12212299

>>12192842

Ask BibAnon https://wiki.bibanon.org/Main_Page

Or better yet http://inclibuql666c5c4.onion/ or inclib.i2p


c6b7f3  No.12212328

bump


ddadea  No.12228203

File: d82a1d70c4f8eda⋯.jpg (633.58 KB, 1292x1173, 76:69, 1475331182758.jpg)

>>12189776

>>12192769

>You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen

That becomes far easier when point B is your next-door neighbour.

>>12190451

>Any secondary backup plans with Torrents, Retroshare and Sia/Storj?

Not on my end. The reason I have been focusing on IPFS is because of the far greater malleability and wealth of features when compared with torrents. Private torrent sites are some of the most carefully curated libraries we have, yet the necessity of using a tracker is what holds them far back from their potential. They're "decentralised" until they get taken down and that content needs to be rehosted.

>>12190464

I'm not very familiar with it, but it seems to miss the most critical point anon was getting at - the possibility of assuring the authenticity of what is loaded via the host itself (in his example, through a TLS cert).

>>12192842

>My question is, can we make an IPFS server to host all content on the network

No. Both fortunately and unfortunately, the use-case for the filesystem has already stretched far beyond what anybody without a datacentre would find it viable to mirror. This being one example:

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/addressing-petabytes-of-genetic-data-with-ipfs/1471

With archive.org also pursuing their own rehosting project.

Systems for 'pinning' (seeding) by request do exist though, as well as HTTP gateways that often pin smaller files for some time. I believe (think) that things that you snatch through "ipfs add" are also pinned automatically, or at least kept in your cache for a little while.

I did mention a nascent search engine here >>12188181 , whose devs are still trying to work out how to best keep it secure (in terms of verifying returned content). It's a good step in the right direction, though the real end goal (in my view) would of course be the move away from websites entirely, and future 'browser' integration with such libraries.

>>12192948

>2600

I was trying to remember the name of that, thanks.

>>12212283

Beaker is something I briefly took a look at, but never paid too much mind to because of the reasons above for not using BitTorrent. But anyone pushing content-addressed links over the HTTP status quo is doing well by me.


69b4a4  No.12232191

here's a way to start playing around with ipfs now: https://orion.siderus.io/


8ec59c  No.12235997

Glad this thread is still around.

>>12079571

>https://security.stackexchange.com/a/37710

You miss my point. My point is that although I can prove that the response I AM getting is authentic from a particular server, if I then wish to send that response to a third-party, I do not believe it is possible for them to verify that it is authentic (i.e. that I have not tampered with it prior to sending to this third-party IPFS in this case). I would be glad to be proven wrong here.

>>12212283

Can you give a TLDR rundown of what this is and what benefits it would have over IPFS. This is the first I've heard of this.


d80675  No.12255399

>>12235997

>>12228203

See https://docs.datproject.org/intro and https://docs.datproject.org/install


8eeccf  No.12269622

>>12255399

>https://docs.datproject.org/intro

Thank you - but I don't yet see the advantage of Dat over IPFS.

Personally, I'm a little bit averse to it currently as I worry it'll fragment users into both camps, meaning I have to install more shit. Can you summarize why Dat over IPFS (or vice-versa)?


3754dc  No.12269715

>>12020205

listen, I get ipfs is a thing

so is i2p

best to have options

also, you niggers need to start looking into data hoarding

get a shit box that can hold a bunch of disks, install freenas and learn how to leverage zfs

even if they're offline and local, archiving the shit out of everything is not a bad idea

check out the archive team wiki, and learn their ways

https://www.ar c hiv eteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

no doubt they are poz'd but having a little organization, al be it decentralized would really assist in what it is we're trying to do here


3754dc  No.12269722

>>12020368

itty bitty sites is fucking stupid, why would I send content that can logged and is not encrypted


41b8be  No.12280163

>>12020142

this exposes your IP address to everybody looking at your site


934451  No.12286199

>>12269715

>>12269767

Don't forget ZFS for drive failures.

>>12280163

That is how IPFS and BitTorrent works (unless you do TOR/I2P routing)


1f338e  No.12286526

File: a0d822de7edd507⋯.jpg (32.83 KB, 400x300, 4:3, nazi reader.jpg)

>>12269767

You should stop doing weed and read enough about computers to be able to articulate questions, at least. I mean you're using TOR, you should know better. Grab a book or watch videos about general computer subjects like "what is TCP/IP", "what is a blockchain", "what is a distributed hash table", etc


ec2035  No.12288401

File: c3c2724d9671349⋯.jpg (195.69 KB, 1600x976, 100:61, 0_vDF3h6bfp-Ir3F8g.jpg)


ec2035  No.12288406

File: b1295879c4ed939⋯.png (121.16 KB, 1401x955, 1401:955, 0_KcQ-Ezvwk6U0ZC0w_.png)

>>12286526

also this


ec2035  No.12288410

File: 0599c842832b434⋯.jpg (8.81 KB, 300x168, 25:14, images (1).jpg)

>>12286526

and this


ddadea  No.12314238

File: b10093aa9cce9c6⋯.png (433.72 KB, 1241x800, 1241:800, how_to_archive.png)

>>12232191

Orion is an excellent example of an early foray into the protocol and a glimpse of the potential it holds. When developers start to realise that the vestiges of the WWW centralisation do not need to be hung onto at all however, then we can take that progress even further and start to consider user-made indexes.

>>12235997

Transport security really falls outside my realm of expertise, but with there being a public key component of a certificate, shouldn't one be able to use the encrypted form of the content returned (and maybe a session key) to verify the integrity of that? I have no idea how this might change for asynchronous content, though.

>>12255399

>>12269622

I opted for IPFS because of simplicity, deduplication, routing flexibility, and mutable names. Things like the Merkle DAG and versioning concepts that also exist are excellent advantages too, and I see little in the way of Dat competing with that. But like I said, don't let that deter you from experimenting with it too.

>>12269715

I'll give it a read.

>>12269767

Yes, you're probably thinking of web scrapers, that are already widely in use, and an outdated mirror of Wikipedia actually exists already on IPFS, there just hasn't been a lot of motivation in maintaining it.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/

>>12280163

False, it exposes your IP address to everybody seeding your site.


0bca9c  No.12344727

File: d4fd151cae41ea7⋯.png (509.76 KB, 643x412, 643:412, XV2fcch.png)

>first time I've needed to bump this thread in 2 1/2 months

Here are a few links to consider:

https://www.wired.com/story/google-wants-to-kill-the-url/

https://www.eff.org/free-speech-weak-link

http://cid-utils.ipfs.team/

https://www.sandvine.com/press-releases/blog/sandvine-over-70-of-north-american-traffic-is-now-streaming-video-and-audio

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/netflix-researching-large-scale-peer-to-peer-technology-for-streaming/

http://node2.e-mesh.net/tv2/

https://github.com/giorgisio/goav

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/building-a-new-tor-that-withstands-next-generation-state-surveillance/

https://github.com/OpenBazaar/go-onion-transport

https://github.com/ipfs-search/ipfs-search

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-undersea-internet-cables/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM


cd13ec  No.12345317

>>12314238

Everything that isn't BUILT ON TOR is garbage. Built on, built for it. If it requires configuration modification, it's trash.


934451  No.12359302

>>12345317

TOR is a honeypot by antifa.


ba7455  No.12359314

>>12020274

>too dumb to understand ipfs

we dont need you in our ranks


934451  No.12384365

>>12359314

no/tech/ fags should not be in charge of >>>/pdfs/ (or at least torrents)


a8f6f9  No.12411700

ITT: Use IPFS, TOR and/or I2P to share posters and redpill images

Repo for the "Permanent Booru": https://github.com/Kycklingar/PBooru

Existing instances: kycklingar.i2p and vsdfdtkr5mh6y33p.onion

What does it do

An image gallery that uses IPFS's P2P function to share images, and for those who want security, use TOR and/or I2P to download images directly.

What is it good for

Make sure that files will never get lost as long as someone is mirroring/seeding it, which insures sustainability beyond MEGA and other "centralized file sharing sites"

Why the fuck should I care?

>>>/pdfs/ and >>>/eternalarchive/ have reference on massive data stores being wiped out, better be safe than sorry

See: https://ipfs.io and https://orion.siderus.io/

To those who don't understand what a "running instance" is, that is that we in /tech/ call an "example website". Yes, I know the original TOR/I2P instance is pozzed, but the source code is out there for us to make another for /pol/ and only /pol/.

> So is IPFS similar to Freenet and I2P? I've had some success using Freenet, but it's dead, not a single page has been updated since October 2015. Never really got I2P running.

IPFS is to BitTorrent like I2P and Freenet is to TOR

> When shtf or they keep overreaching with their deplatforming and censorship IPFS is phenomenal, given you have a node running

Remember to run IPFS over I2P or TOR, this repo did it successfully https://github.com/OpenBazaar


837bc1  No.12421372

>>12411700

bump for support


837bc1  No.12421394

>>12421391

> Nanochan a site without source code

> No IPFS/Torrent for spreading propaganda posters

> Just a TOR site that feels like a honeypot

Okay


821147  No.12434246

>>12421396

> Not on clearnet

Yeah it is a CIANigger alright


6d31e9  No.12435501

>>12434246

But clearnet sites would be able to see your IP anyways anon


a0da96  No.12446274

>>12435501

Either take one for the team and use IPFS or just I2P, NEVER use the TORah


0bca9c  No.12466209

File: 067e45f229515a4⋯.png (131.9 KB, 1876x781, 1876:781, wikileaks and the blockcha….png)

File: e02b41f6b06beb7⋯.jpg (41.04 KB, 704x704, 1:1, 10-20-2016.jpg)

>>12345317

Tor zealotry on /pol/ is a curious thing indeed.

Consider for a start, that the entirety of the Tor network is supported by an amount of servers that could be stored in a single cabinet of a colocation centre.

What are the security implications of this?

What are the kind of expectations, budgetary or otherwise, that an individual or group will have in setting up enough entry and exit nodes to render traffic correlation on the network by malicious actors infeasible?

Who has been involved with funding and operating The Tor Project?


6e3d3b  No.12494394

File: d49cd67638cd6da⋯.png (473.57 KB, 720x2000, 9:25, blogs3.png)

I think activity ITT may have petered out too much to warrant continued bumping, but it's certainly lasted longer than I expected. Since August, we've seen the ineffectuality of HTTP web services like Gab and BitChute in annihilating censorship, and the necessity of distributed user indexing to overtake them. When the trifecta of self-empowered publishing, commerce and shared processing technologies come to terms with what is needed to catalyse the spread of their hard work, the game is going to start shifting very rapidly.

Here is perhaps the final revision of the OP pic, where either I mistakenly added the 'ipfs daemon' instruction too late into the guide, or it wasn't necessary at the time (ie an update changed it).


8ef04e  No.12495455

Look at beaker browser


821147  No.12523202

File: d3c9313734eb92d⋯.png (1.47 MB, 1000x1600, 5:8, this-is-what-a-rr.png)

> TOR

IPFS+I2P all the way


00b96f  No.12555962

bjump


6e3d3b  No.12594030

File: 4b8090d87a4efd4⋯.png (33.64 KB, 530x250, 53:25, sandvine-global-internet-p….png)

>We've hit the 4 month mark

I'm glad to see that some of the priorities of /pol/ are where they should be. And that even most of the bad actors do not try to derail this thread, since such attempts would be (& have been) so glaringly obvious to us.

Merry Christmas, all.

>>12564641

>>Decentralize the authentication

>Skiddieify it enough and you might even get goys interested in archiving things

These are 2 extremely keen points that have been quite understated in here so far.

There are 2 wonderful aspects of IPFS that I favour, namely their content hashing (or 'CID's) and their implementation of self-certifying filesystems. By always ensuring that A, the content you are requesting is certainly the one you will fetch, and B, the peer you are connected with is the one who is issuing the data, it opens the doors for precisely the kind of distributed archival you outlined above. Perhaps if SSL-based authentication by itself is not possible, and not likely to be implemented by any significant change to the protocol or those who use it, we may find it best to rely on an aggregate of libp2p-generated IDs that are tied to the pages we have archived along with some derived levels of 'trust', in the style of a dark net market. And if the SSL method is possible, then a mixed solution would be ideal. And of course, the only real path to wide adoption would be to gear it towards the layman - once again, something that should bear a lot of our thought.

I am not aware of neoscoin. Like people have already pointed out ITT though, the obvious security concerns with allowing arbitrary data to be written to a blockchain, and recovered, especially with ease, might be somewhat of an impedance to things. Is there any way that neoscoin has considered of addressing that?


347f2b  No.12594211

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12020142

They will never silence the Spirit of Truth again. Grandjest soon, brothers.


0bca9c  No.12615197

File: b511323d56f8b04⋯.png (1.44 MB, 698x1024, 349:512, Screen_Shot_2018-10-28_at_….png)

>>12594211

Too bad about all of those corporations that depend on holding the sole keys to the transmission of their material in order to survive. btw that's most of them

Exciting times ahead indeed.


b293bd  No.12615628

File: d8ed21bfb207ad9⋯.gif (486.97 KB, 1000x2273, 1000:2273, 1444349041944.gif)

bumpo


5fb246  No.12625761

>>12594030

I don't know that off hand, but the lead dev is mind-bogglingly crafty, and has worked as a independent contractor problem solving for quite a few big-name coin projects. I could ask him, but I don't really understand the problems yet, at least not as clearly that you seem to. Given the project's goals and community driven ambition, I'd wager heavily that these concerns have been accounted for, but if not, I know they'd be interested in discussing the matter with you and incorporating fixes in a future release. Lead dev is Syntaks on irc.freenode.net/neoscoin

Additional communication methods can be found on https://neos.sh , but I don't think he's been on twatter etc. for over a year.


ddadea  No.12642808

File: fda775bca0f0de6⋯.png (86.04 KB, 1055x1000, 211:200, ipld-illustration.png)

>>12625761

I'm not really an expert on blockchain technology myself, though I'm aware that having the necessity of downloading data that anybody can write can easily throw the possession of such data into very sketchy legal territory.

https://www.wired.com/story/why-porn-on-the-blockchain-wont-doom-bitcoin/

If this article is anything to go by, there doesn't seem to be any clear precedent for going after download, but I'm sure we're all aware how selectively enforced these kinds of things are.

I'll take a look at it some time though, it sounds like it has a nice amount of potential.

We made it to 2019 too, nice. If I get around to quickly writing up the directions I think we should be taking next, I might post them here. Here's a preview: >>12462629


cdaf7d  No.12655475

>>12642808

> "decentralizing porn will lead to a decentralized internet"

Sad but true, places like BitChute ain't doing better


967ca1  No.12665122

https://github.com/RTradeLtd/Temporal

IPFS through I2P is now a thing!


ddadea  No.12678336

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12655475

BitChute are still banning National Action videos, aren't they?

Are you >>12655491 ? At any rate, what I said in response is relevant. Despite how BitChute, Gab and similar sites have been marketing themselves as part of a technological / political / ethical resistance, the only real change, if any, has come in lightening their infrastructural load to help deliver content. They have made little attempt to depart from the dominant model of the web (see the below pic), merely shifting some obligation of the hosting onto the users.

https://www.eff.org/sites/all/themes/phoenix/weaklink/images/home.png

It is an important step, but still way too ingrained within the current system to actually meet our needs. BitChute may be somewhat 'decentralised' in that they allow users to distribute their videos easily by magnet links, but if any individual or group along this chain (including, apparently, the BitChute staff themselves) decides something is no longer appropriate to share to them, we are back to square one in terms of getting away from the YouTube trap.

I will clarify what I mean when I say 'user indexing' - one could call it distributed / decentralised indexing, or autarkic publishing, the meaning is the same.

For a sizeable majority of the web, content, ie databases, audio / video, news articles and so on, are linked intrinsically to the indexes that hold them, like the actual websites they are being sourced from (and less commonly, the search engines that cache them). So, YouTube.com stores video content, but also indexes all of that same content and it's associated metadata. And, considering the size of the index and the frequency with which people are accessing it, it is unlikely that any 3rd party website will appear any time soon to mirror it. So, if you're looking for videos that YouTube themselves refuse to include in search results (or demotes), you're probably out of luck. Following this, if the YouTube front-end were to go down for a while, there would be very few people able to access the videos until it comes back.

To carry this over to a resource like private BitTorrent trackers, where the nature of the content leads to websites getting targeted frequently and in many ways, each time one of these websites (which serve as indexes, since they do not host the content themselves), is taken down, most of the access to the content goes with it, and the libraries that all of the users have been cataloguing is destroyed, despite the hosting of the content itself being distributed through torrent swarms.

For the sake of redundancy and the preservation of information, I propose that indexes of content themselves become redundant and decentralised. The advantages to the problems I mentioned above are clear, but in addition to that (see >>12670098 >>12462629 and >>12648180 for more), a widespread and dedicated-enough effort of cataloguing could result in a library that would make the Internet Archive blush, without an authority to purge the parts of it that may unsettle them - which would likely form a freer and more level market of ideas as de-platforming individuals or organisations through technical or financial means becomes impossible. It would also probably go far in undoing the Vegas-style programming of Silicon Valley that people are subject to when they spend time using any of these entrenched services.

Content-centric technologies (as opposed to location-centric - IP etc.) like the ones discussed ITT are a necessity for this change. The talk in this video was likely a large inspiration for these protocols, as well as the NSF-fronted research in Named Data Networking. However, we don't need to be using mesh routers right now to start building parallel societies, so to speak. You could collect the author names, titles, and publication dates of PDFs you have downloaded now and make a list of them and their IPFS addresses, without even (necessarily) needing to host the actual content yourself, and start sharing that list around without any costs. You could get friends to do the same, and share each other's indexes / blogs through your own. You could re-host edgy YouTube channels or news articles that are likely to get deleted, or literature or academic papers that more people need to be aware of. It starts from the ground up, so don't be hesitant to find a niche of your interest and creating a catalogue for people to seed. In time, fully-fledged software that will be able to efficiently apply these principles will appear too.


cdaf7d  No.12682656

>>12678336

> https://www.eff.org/sites/all/themes/phoenix/weaklink/images/home.png

good diagram

> Despite how BitChute, Gab and similar sites have been marketing themselves as part of a technological / political / ethical resistance, the only real change, if any, has come in lightening their infrastructural load to help deliver content.

We do need better and easily accessible technology (i.e. normalfag-proof) technology to take off, because

> You could re-host edgy YouTube channels or news articles that are likely to get deleted, or literature or academic papers that more people need to be aware of. It starts from the ground up, so don't be hesitant to find a niche of your interest and creating a catalogue for people to seed. In time, fully-fledged software that will be able to efficiently apply these principles will appear too.

This will never fly if it is too hard

> To carry this over to a resource like private BitTorrent trackers, where the nature of the content leads to websites getting targeted frequently and in many ways, each time one of these websites (which serve as indexes, since they do not host the content themselves), is taken down, most of the access to the content goes with it, and the libraries that all of the users have been cataloguing is destroyed, despite the hosting of the content itself being distributed through torrent swarms.

Which is why IPFS and Dat Protocol exists

The question is not "Can we do it" but "How can we motivate people to move", and the solution is through cryptocurrency (money) and internet celebrities (fame). Dedication like Internet Archive, among other organizations, are not enough to fix the system.


5fe22c  No.12686208

>>12020461

Except zeronet doesn't have CP, have you even used the service before?


5fe22c  No.12686212

File: 80046760271b28e⋯.jpg (94.59 KB, 460x1024, 115:256, 1536826279983.jpg)


9ff217  No.12686343

>>12082332

just save the latest copy on your home system


7bb6a7  No.12690080

>>12686208

Yeah, Zeronet is filled with Chinese people who hates the firewall, go figure


bf2b93  No.12690106

File: 90be817816ca331⋯.png (16.41 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Like_a_White_Man.png)

Whose bright idea was it to make MDwiki incompatible with ColdFusion and a decent SQL Server DB? Code like a white man, faggot.


7bcadd  No.12690110

I'm considering the idea of toying with of the idea creating a wiki article just to see what it's like to do so.


bf2b93  No.12690119

File: 01f905ade2edede⋯.png (483.9 KB, 1605x747, 535:249, Wiki_Edit_1.png)

>>12690110

Fun at first, but the enthusiasm fades quick.


7bcadd  No.12690129

>>12690119

i'm just sick of topics appearing on pol then being forgotten with the info people dug up disappearing.


837bc1  No.12690475

>>12690106

Could you give some context (e.g. github issues) for MDWiki?

>>12690110

>>12690119

Wikipedia is kiked already, your best bet is Metapedia and Rightpedia (dunno about TruthWiki, Citizendium, Conservapedia and Infogpactic).

>>12690129

Make your own wiki.


1220eb  No.12690478

>>12690080

So what


1220eb  No.12690487

>>12020461

There's already a /pol/ on MilliChan(website on zeronet)


837bc1  No.12690499

>>12690478

>>12690487

Zeronet is still pretty bloat, no CP does not mean it is really good, and the development is slow or dead.


5a3b39  No.12690525

File: 6c8091f446c6692⋯.png (102.63 KB, 1600x2600, 8:13, better.png)

>>12088721

Mine's smaller than yours


9b0a99  No.12690587

>>12690499

The development of Zeronet is pretty much finished and all it needs is more users. I agree with your other point


837bc1  No.12694241

>>12690587

> finished

and yet the UI is very unpolished, and the amount of clutter/noise with Zero's sites are just too much (you have to pin the databases you like, which constantly annoys you when you don't for temporary viewing)


ebc2c3  No.12694831

DAILY REMINDER

Use alternate domains for archive.is like archive.fo.

THE .IS DOMAIN IS UNDER ATTACK


40b72b  No.12696938

>>12188454

this. techies might be good at coming up with concepts, but normal people care little for how shit works, only that it must be easy to use. that's why linux never got off the ground, too much crap to fiddle with. not everybody has time for your autistic hobby.


9dd9f1  No.12698019

>>12694241

The UI is fine in my opinion

>the amount of clutter/noise with Zero's sites are just too much

The clutter doesn't bother me that much

>you have to pin the databases you like, which constantly annoys you when you don't for temporary viewing

I haven't experienced the problem you are facing so eh.

I just wish there was a better search engine on ZeroNet.


0bca9c  No.12709203

File: 9b266b05fe0e79a⋯.png (471.97 KB, 2500x5562, 1250:2781, website consolidation.png)

>>12466209

RE: these pictures - >>12657542

Of course, take caution if / when visiting these links.

>>12686212

Here's a better version of that. It seems people worked out that we didn't need a million different avenues to deliver just a few representations of data. But my PC is capable of searching through content, or listing things that may be for sale, or communicating with friends. Yours probably is too. So why do we need those websites?

>>12690106

An anon mentioned some alternative markdown generators here >>12667714 - I came across it myself through another project, and was just messing around when I noticed how easily it could be used to help host things.

>>12690110

>>12690119

If you're like me, you'll only go so long before making a seemingly-innocuous comment to the wrong person in the talk section of an obscure article before they ban you entirely.

+ Starting your own wiki

>>12690475

>e.g. github issues

It's just that - I believe it was intended for documentation and things of that nature.

>>12694831

I can't remember the last time we've gone longer than a couple of days without some sustained downtime or performance issues of some kind, unfortunately.

For the record, WebCite works well for this, too.


0bca9c  No.12709533

File: cec25b89a948fbc⋯.png (21.8 KB, 710x130, 71:13, college textbooks.png)

>>12696938

>>12682656

>normal people care little for how shit works, only that it must be easy to use

yep

>The question is not "Can we do it" but "How can we motivate people to move"

yep

>and the solution is through cryptocurrency (money) and internet celebrities (fame)

Bingo

For the most part, people generally will not care about a technology or even it's broader implications. What concerns us (all of us) more is the immediate consequences we will personally face. A majority of people consume creative or other works generated by a minority of people. Consumers want unhindered access to a lot of content. Creators want to freely publish their work (unhindered), and often, with compensation. The main impeding forces that usually come into play here are terms of service adherence, financial obligations and legislation. These can be further expanded into the issues of censorship, centralisation of content and index hosting, and the problems of attempting to bypass these by developing alternative routes of distribution. This can / will ultimately effect everyone, whether they are apolitical or on the spectrum.

If there is no quantity of content to be accessed, then it will not be accessed, and nobody will seek that same way to access more of it. So this content must be generated in (at least) one of two ways: piracy, and bringing over a heavy amount of people who create these works. It extends well beyond 'e-celebs' - academics, journalists, animators, software developers, all want to be guaranteed that they can publish their efforts without them disappearing in future, without any say in the matter. Their fans will tend to want an unlimited access to whatever they have to say or make, without any worry of censorship. So fully-distributed index and content hosting that the user can easily manage themselves - that is, the potentiality for the users to index and store any content they come upon with zero interruption, is necessary. Likewise, users must also be free to publish their own creations to the network, without interruption. Content-centric technology is ideal for this kind of use case, and also prevents the power of content feed algorithms to steer attention in favour of any particular party.


0bca9c  No.12709536

File: fbe6e63e51c58d7⋯.jpg (67.76 KB, 671x327, 671:327, Dn6pUyyVAAAn4l2.jpg)

>>12709533

>>12696938

>>12682656

Secondly, we shouldn't forget that ways around this censorship already exist in the form of these bare protocols, or obscure services and small-scale file-sharing. People are not using them in a major capacity because these services often ask for too much from them. If they are mere filelocker links (e.g. Mega.nz), this doesn't in-itself help them access any amount of content outside of that. If they contain a lot of content, like private torrent trackers, access is usually restricted to most people and behind a quota for sharing that content back. If the content is there, and it is free, like Soulseek, then it lacks organisation and the intuitiveness needed for most people to bother picking it up in the first place. So familiarity in the new platforms will also be a crucial factor for adoption. This also goes for content management, metadata generation, content sharing (like direct links) and so on. Also, there many be multiple, separate, multi-billion dollar ventures each for sharing music, or movies, or television shows, but that shouldn't imply that there is any technological problem in designing a service that can manage the data or metadata of all of them, and more.

Finally, the financial aspects to this problem are the most crucial. On the location-based web, publishing to a server will require an internet connection. Having a simple point of access to share with others will require a domain, and usually an SSL certificate. Wanting a high throughput and 24/7 access capability to your content requires constant uptime and electricity use. All of these will cost money, and all of these can be strained further by outside parties who aren't a fan of what you are publishing or giving a platform. Cryptocurrencies are an excellent example of a wide potential use case, while generally completely lacking in authority / hierarchy. Naturally, this also makes them difficult, or impossible, to censor. I've also mentioned OpenBazaar several times, which is the closest I've seen to the principles of user indexing in a commercial sphere (it goes to stand that the software was originally developed for darknet markets). Tying in with the above, a publishing solution would be best included with a method of easily transferring funds to creators, or the logical endpoint, transferring funds between any 2 users. Cryptocoin compatibility will be a necessity here, and for the sake of ease of use for people who don't want to take the time to move to using it, an avenue for processing Visa / Mastercard payments (or to cut through yet another potential blockade for free association, SWIFT) will also be desired by perhaps the strong majority of your users.

To summarise, familiar-looking platforms, scalable, cheap and distributed indexing and hosting, and non-centralised payment solutions are the ways forward. Were the dominant market players (Silicon Valley et al.) more aware of this, one would think they would be quickly scrambling to create platforms partly in this vein, like BitChute and Minds have been doing, keeping users satiated enough to not ask too much more and consider moving away. Their ignorance or refusal to do so will be their graves.


0bca9c  No.12709569

>>12709536

>Also, there many be multiple

there may be*


fa6745  No.12710947

Has anybody tried it yet?


99427f  No.12711497

>>12359314

You need all willing able bodied whites you can get your hands on you insufferable faggot, some of us have jobs/wives/school/children and we don't have time to learn every new web development in the fastest growing tech era the world has ever seen, FUCK I hate you elitist fucks sometimes.

The CORE of National Socialism is a happy helping hand toward our brothers for our mutual self improvement and enrichment. We share the load. While you were doing my job learning coding or whatnot, I was doing your job having children.


b9927b  No.12716153

>>12711497

> We share the load

Just go through the thread and use Orion like >>12232191 does. If you don't have enough time to read a thread you have no time to gas kikes either

> While you were doing my job learning coding or whatnot

It does not require programming at all, it is plug and play


77e3e8  No.12732360

>>12711815

We will have to wait then.


458dd0  No.12732874

Someone who isn't me needs to make an IPFS archive thing. It would work like archive.fo but upload to IPFS.


6e3d3b  No.12750635

File: 0f26366869b7409⋯.png (153.29 KB, 1281x406, 183:58, outsourcing judgement.png)

>>12716153

<refraining from the urge to write an essay here since I'm too tired

That anon raises a great point actually. Fixing this mess is a very large and multi-faceted effort. We already outsource a massive level of our attention, so what's to suggest to that anon that his time skimming over IPFS specs isn't better spent looking over Dat or Urbit's papers? Or doing something else entirely?

The platforms are what is necessary to galvanise a heavy movement, and so the code is necessary. So developers are what is needed (and largely whom the thread is geared towards). If that isn't viable for someone, they (being here in the first place) probably still have a lot of other potential utility.

For example, through starting a blog.

>>12666925


adaa24  No.12760178

>>12750635

Dat protocol has the issue of being tied to the beaker browser, so we need to look elsewhere.


6fcd8a  No.12760192

Funny, it's a thing now. Who'd think somebody actually read that post.


ddadea  No.12780262

File: add39a43018aaf6⋯.jpg (59.08 KB, 598x549, 598:549, gte.jpg)

>>12760192

hm?

>>12760178

You're right, but the point stands - that fact won't be as self evident to everybody else as it is to us. And even people who are more technologically inclined probably don't want to / shouldn't be wasting their time on other projects that aren't worth the effort, so we should be expediting their potential in the right direction as much as possible.

It's kind of symbiotic really - we need the masses for any formidable hope of pushback, but we are needed to give that initial (big) push that won't take away from everybody's convenience. As nice as it is to idealise the fortitude of Tomorrow's People, or stay on here and hoping to post angrily enough to be able to manifest the idea of their new-found motivation into physical existence, ignoring the realities of human behaviour will get us nowhere.

As for any specific protocol or piece of software to focus on, it's clear what my favourite has been so far. But like any tool, what matters is the job you are trying to do with it, and whether or not it is best suited to it. To that end, perhaps it is worth throwing Solid into the discussion as well.

https://solid.mit.edu/


cdaf7d  No.12790297

>>12696938

Then just use Orion. https://orion.siderus.io

Easy to understand and use, since it is like a BitTorrent client. See >>12716153


cdaf7d  No.12790310

>>12780262

Solid and Urbit are both not ready for public use as they have no GUI like IPFS or Dat


0bca9c  No.12808073

File: 7c0a5cb322b9eb2⋯.jpg (16.19 KB, 440x440, 1:1, dictator man.jpg)

>>12790310

>>12790297

Orion is a great introduction, as I mentioned earlier, but some actual strides are going to be needed to initiate a sizeable shift to the protocol.

Blog rings are one option, but what else will people want to access? What do you spend your time looking for on the web?

Take a look at that fourth link in the OP. We have a lot more advantages on our end than have generally been recognised so far. Dat, despite some problems, is in the same situation.


cdaf7d  No.12808483

>>12808073

Caching will be a major issue, all we need is to de-pin the problematic files and garbage collect the system, such that it is flushed out of the system completely… but then we will have to deal with data consistency and availability (see BitTorrent private trackers).


ddadea  No.12831516

File: 64dc594efe18891⋯.jpg (76.37 KB, 500x866, 250:433, order and chaos.jpg)

>>12808483

Private torrent trackers have actually been the central point of inspiration for me. There is plenty that they get right - their quality control and incentives for uploading, for example - but the location-based web can only take them so far.

Availability has also been a concern of mine, and one area in which many of the private sites fail. This is where they could actually stand to learn one or two things from their commercial competitors. With content addressing and backwards compatible links, you can be sure that the addresses themselves would never expire. So, the indexes and the content itself merely need to be accessible over the network (ie, being seeded and connectible at all times), so ask yourself - how does Amazon do this? How does Apple Music do it?

Garbage collection is automatic, and Bitswap in itself doesn't force the downloading of anything that isn't specified, so these issues aren't a worry with the bare protocol. But you're right, while developing on top of it, some consideration should be put into how these are handled.


3bbb37  No.12860159

bmup


b1c29d  No.12860165

>>12020205

Question: would a single large global swarm be weak against the same things monocultures are? Such as a single virus propagating across the swarm and infecting the data?


23f6eb  No.12867983

>>12860165

The strength would be that there will be counter-measures with handling viruses, with more users comes the speed of spreading warnings of bad files. But then consider Limewire.


46e4e8  No.12868700

>>12020205

>It's basically a single, global torrent swarm.

Got it, thanks for the explanation. Torrents for example, or VPNs, never caught on with the normies. Do you foresee security being a concern of your normal Joe? Maybe opsec is a better term?


46e4e8  No.12868706

>>12020266

>asking legitimate questions and a desire to learn

>shitposting; needs to lurk moar

pick one and fuck off


1dd02c  No.12868708

>HTTP is a lost cause

lol says no one anywhere

IPFS is dogshit. and have fun getting v& for having fragments of CP on your computer if you decide to run a node


e98cb9  No.12868711

File: 40583d05d0a1491⋯.png (98.46 KB, 331x331, 1:1, 1440278922611.png)

>>12868708

>have fun getting v& for having fragments of CP on your computer if you decide to run a node

t. someone who doesn't know how IPFS works


110574  No.12868761

File: 3752369d7b8d652⋯.jpg (51.27 KB, 552x504, 23:21, 0ae697a02317fd54a825cf4338….jpg)

>>12868711

BUT THEY ARE COMING FOR YOUR COMPUTERS

IN YOUR HOUSE

THAT YOU DON'T EVEN OWN


6e3d3b  No.12888386

File: 4b2014dc0a845c6⋯.png (34.59 KB, 690x200, 69:20, the open internet.png)

>>12860159

Thanks

>>12860165

>>12867983

If there is a way to propagate exploits throughout DHT transmissions (the only global exchange that all public nodes will take part in - and they are only passing sets of two strings, a key and a value, ie, a CID and a peer ID to somebody hosting that CID), then I do not know of any conception of it.

As far as IPFS interpreting the data goes (and as mentioned above, aside from the DHT key / value pairs, you will only download the data you specifically request), it doesn't happen - the protocol is data-agnostic when the addresses for content are being generated, and every node certifies that the blocks they download match the addresses they requested by repeating this process. Addresses (CIDs), bar the astronomically tiny chance of a hash collision, will always point to the same content, bit for bit. So nothing could be changed within the files (or depending on how they were added to the network, the metadata) while keeping the same base CID (the 'top-level' address you will use to look up files).

But of course, swarms that are not separated will allow any data the nodes are trying to send to be more quickly proliferated.

>>12868700

Torrents are actually rather popular. Only, the (almost) decades-old paradigm of a torrent website is struggling to keep up with the streaming behemoths, who seem more clued in to growing trends maybe because they're helping to steer them lol, despite continuing with unsustainable business practices that ultimately push people back towards the piracy they supposedly abandoned. It's an interesting battle space, but the skinny is 'trackers need to learn how to make streaming work, or make their shit look nicer and be easier to use'.

https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/d3q45v/bittorrent-usage-increases-netflix-streaming-sites

In a world where top-down communication infrastructures are abandoned, the general need for VPNs as we understand it today will be greatly diminished.

Is traffic security still a valid selling point? I believe so. Will it carry the same relevance in 2040 as it will in 2020? Well, I think the future is bright.

>>12868708

I love it when you guys forget how IDs work.

And I thought I asked you to try harder.


cdaf7d  No.12908137

>>12888386

What people are concerned of are three things:

1. Vulnerability in the hash algorithm, leading to people downloading degenerate shit by accident. That can't happen as SHA2, BLAKE2, SHA3, Skein and others are all cryptographically secure, and if one fails, we have backup hash algorithms to patch. Even then, it will take a lot of work to break them. Also in regard to DAG structures, it uses tree hashes, which are another layer of security that can be hardened with time.

2. People use IPFS for degeneracy as a way of mass adoption… in that case we are just going on a PR game, of which BitTorrent has show, people will always desire P2P platforms over centralization, and they are willing to use private trackers, smart contracts and cloud computing to make sure everything is in line and none of the slimy shit can get on the social circle of those who consumes quality media.

3. Legal problems in regards to censorship of IPFS en mass, which is impossible as TOR/I2P compatibility is in the work, and it can be combined with other protocols like BitTorrent, Zeronet and dat:// "gateways" to prevent data packet blocks like the ones in China. Besides it is very easy to disguise data packets from one form to the other using email or other communication protocols. Even better is that IPFS through radio and satellites is possible (see Bitcoin radio).


00a36e  No.12908717


73266e  No.12911497

>>12020205

why Filecoin instead of Siacoin?


cdaf7d  No.12911844

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12911497

Filecoin is IPFS's currency of choicee. Sia has their own P2P algorithm but they are known for chhanging hash algorithms to break competing miners that has better ASICs. Pic related. Filecoin is made to be hyper-flexible such that any switched algorithm won't break ASICs with multihash.


8036d9  No.12919679

kikes froze archive.is


cdaf7d  No.12927130

>>12919679

archive.fo and don't look back


d9a3bd  No.12938594

https://zeronet.io/

ZeroNet is the most mature example of a P2P internet to date.

You have nothing to lose by exploring another alternative to the censorship loving clearnet.

This is the future of the free internet.

Hail /volk/


759255  No.12939464

A handy script which adds a download button to the top of the page on BitChute.

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/376908-bitchute-download-link


cdaf7d  No.12943341

>>12938594

The problem is Javascript hell can kill you like Zyklon B. Don't do it if you don't know what you are doing.

>>12939464

Thanks but what about DTube?


000000  No.12962489

>>12938594

>zeronet

>mature

Are you retarded? As in, are you a real retard? Do you have the downs?

Zeronet is just a fancy-faggoty frontend to share websites through torrents.

Torrents alone are better than zeronet.

The only mature P2P internets are Tor and I2P.


9230ed  No.12984342

>>12938594

Zeronet is compromised


71d3a2  No.12993803

Bump


d17c3a  No.13003150

>>12698019

>search engine on ZeroNet

searx.me

Perhaps?


4f1e6d  No.13017676

Bump


57ff0a  No.13018531

>>12020205

>https://ipfs.io/#how

My main issue with all of this is that there wasn't a really good search engine to find anything you wanted, via ipfs. Does anyone know of something akin to a search engine, on ipfs, where you can search for a file name , category, etc instead of having to know the hash?


000000  No.13019101

>>12984342

I don't care much for zeronet, but source? If you don't provide one I'm gonna check it out and promote it to friends you glownigger.


000000  No.13019117

>>13018531

Search engines would be hard because the hash space is so large. Google crawlers have it easy by comparison because DNS is so public.


861653  No.13039203

Bump


cdaf7d  No.13048232

>>13019101

Zeronet is Javascript, so it consumes way too much resources, not compromised, just a bad option.

>>13019117

Enlighten me about adding search engines to IPFS


30fe39  No.13048241

>>12020142

Tech noob here. Isn't there a big difference between http and https? Don't most sites support https? I also have an add on that forces https on my browser.


6f0b52  No.13048424

>>13018531

there's ipfs-search.com


0bca9c  No.13055251

File: b7c00bcf28bcdb6⋯.png (203.26 KB, 1047x997, 1047:997, 438.png)

File: f6fc83f74d81d41⋯.png (83.81 KB, 739x502, 739:502, 239.png)

Appreciate the bumps.

>>12908137

>if one fails, we have backup hash algorithms to patch

The multihash is a wonderful thing.

>People use IPFS for degeneracy as a way of mass adoption

Truth be told, it is perhaps one of the most effective ways of causing a shift (There's a reason I've focused largely on the models of Netflix and Mindgeek). Demand will never fully wane, despite a 'porn licence' and any other justifications of NSA / GCHQ expansion that we will be subject to in the coming years. The internet will simply interpret the censorship as damage, and of course, route around it. If we build the path of least resistance, then the activity is guaranteed.

>Besides it is very easy to disguise data packets from one form to the other using email or other communication protocols

As far as I'm aware, deep packet inspection is still yet to be perfected for encrypted (RC4) torrent streams - the accuracy for being able to classify packets are 90% by Enea's efforts. Assuming that they could even bring the reliability on IPFS up to this level in a short time, having false positives for 1 in 10 internet users who end up being disconnected or worse would really put put some market pressures on any ISP willing to go through with that. Part of me would like to see them try to censor it anyway, though.

>>12911497

I wasn't familiar with Siacoin. Nor do I know anything about Zeronet. Perhaps I should change that.

>>13048241

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security


0bca9c  No.13055261

File: 3bb149ad8d504aa⋯.png (74.97 KB, 739x407, 739:407, 236.png)

File: ae30e0543c86220⋯.png (75.42 KB, 739x408, 739:408, 246.png)

>>12939464

>>12943341

>>13018531

>>13019117

>>13048424

My work (including the writing I mentioned here >>12642808) has unfortunately been stalled lately, so I will share a few things on the topic. The overview is thus: the transition from static content to web 2.0 has created a myriad of problems for our privacy, psychology, and network congestion. Self-sufficient technologies in the areas of commerce, coordinated processing power and publishing have recently started to appear, and the advent of content-addressed technology has created the ideal conditions for the latter field (which the web is most popularly used for) to flourish. Bitcoin is the most evident example of the destruction between the server-client distinction, but it's volatility as well as, funnily enough, it's lack of ubiquity, stalls it from being ubiquitous. The same is true of the processing technologies - BOINC and so on - there doesn't yet exist a heavy enough pressure to compel people into finding alternative technology. Most people (outside of China lel) are not having their financial transactions impeded because of personal qualms, and nor do they generally have a use for distributed processing anyway. We have admittedly seen an increase in the former with the Mastercard, PayPal, Patreon etc. debacles, and it will be interesting to see how their escalation forces such changes to take place, but as it stands, publishing will be the most powerful catalyst out of the 3. The demand to access published content is far higher than the demand to make transactions or take part in grid computing (source: Sandvine), and the effort to do so is far less. Silicon Valley et al have also been restricting far more desired content this last year, and pissing off a nice bulk of their most popular channels and their audiences in the process, leading some to abandon SV services entirely. This sets the perfect ground for establishing ourselves as the distributors of this content. Let's say that with an average of a couple hundred KiB of metadata for every video on YouTube, their entire index can be hosted at roughly 300 GiB. Now consider that 95% of their traffic is sourced from a mere 5% of the videos, and you could help to bypass almost the entirety of the content filtering and search restrictions by simply hosting a 15 GiB index, and running our own queries on that. When we are constructing search engines for the distributed protocols, this must be kept in mind.

In the case of the "alt" tube sites, downloading from either is not a problem. DTube's videos can be saved straight from their gateway (on any video page), and BitChute already places a magnet link on each of their video's pages - the problem with the greasyfork addon is the necessity for needing the site in the first place for the discovery (and downloading) of that file.

Because of one of their main distribution protocols, DTube's architecture is better suited to bringing us into a user-indexed web, and committing to YouTube's consumption of resources at this stage would probably be quite a headache. So with that in mind, and with what I mentioned above, here's an idea I've been floating in my head for a little while:

A browser addon, that runs alongside a local IPFS node. The addon stores metadata locally from desired DTube videos, in the form of say, a JSON file. Cryptocurrency-style consensus may be used to ensure accuracy of the metadata. These indexes, which can be personally sorted to any end (as playlists, channels etc.), are distributed using either consistent peer IDs or single wrapped-directory CIDs, over IPFS's pubsub. Functionality also exists to rehost videos either on your node or through other, public gateways, so if DTube were to ever change their mind on hosting certain videos, the exact same IPFS address can still be used to link to it, and the user-distributed indexes (from which to load the metadata or simply discover the video) will remain easily accessible. That is, effectively, that nothing will change.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1097540579314024448

http://tubularinsights.com/5-percent-youtube-videos-drive-95-percent-views/

https://www.sandvine.com/blog/global-internet-phenomena-preview-file-sharing-reverses-a-downward-trend

The first link is a discussion from winter, an elaboration on why imitating the models of the dominant publishers will not do us any favours - why just 'creating our own platform' has thus far not been an option. Staying within our own realms financially, technologically, and organisationally, is far easier. It's where we thrive. And it's how we will win.


b003c9  No.13055430

>>13055261

Good stuff


0bca9c  No.13070575

File: 24353623ee86688⋯.png (286.51 KB, 620x721, 620:721, methinks a bunch of shyloc….png)

>>13048241

To give this post a better answer…

HTTPS is merely HTTP + transport security, ie using a symmetric key generated by the client and a server [authenticated by a certificate] to exchange encrypted packets. When I speak of HTTP, I refer to both of them. In a nutshell, the HTTP / location-based web is lacking in the potential resilience against adversaries of certain content, and internet backbone fragility including physical threats (e.g. weather or geopolitical crises), which is why it's premier status in communication must be abandoned, lest we end up completely unable to organise, or lose troves of valuable information. One method of preventing this is to start indexing the content we need ourselves, and use distributed protocols to host them as well as the content.

Embrace the blogrolls.


6e3d3b  No.13091895

File: 3e2c881d8809561⋯.png (366.31 KB, 1632x2112, 17:22, SIMP Whitepaper 201802 pa….png)

File: f3982ad8e061dd6⋯.png (250.13 KB, 1632x2112, 17:22, SIMP Whitepaper 201802 pa….png)

File: 7cd1a179d0aa926⋯.png (269.35 KB, 1632x2112, 17:22, SIMP Whitepaper 201802 pag….png)

File: a33c0ebcd3da6e9⋯.png (113.99 KB, 1632x2112, 17:22, SIMP Whitepaper 201802 pag….png)

Came across these files from a /pol/ack about half a year ago that I forgot about.

If interest in this thread has fizzled, any significant updates will be shared on the Twitter account linked earlier.


d80675  No.13093654

Idea of IPFS and archival: Use >>>/hydrus/ as a tool for handling documents, ebooks and infographics.

Pro: IPFS, downloader scripts, document support on the way

Con: Currently only used for anime and comics


6e3d3b  No.13109543

File: 44e31c59e8e523d⋯.png (369.99 KB, 639x991, 639:991, 1494720184531.png)

>>13093654

Interesting work anon, is it yours?

I can shoot an email to the address on the GitHub soon if so.

Any reason for the Chuvash song btw?


516077  No.13109628

>>12020205

I have a high bandwidth server with good resources on standby. How can I contribute to the global torrent swarm? It is running linux


cdaf7d  No.13111110

>>13091895

> WAMP/LAMP

If he means using PHP then he is fucking retarded.

>>13109543

Yes it's ours, too bad our mates uses (((Discord)))

Nah the main developer is just bored he posts something weird each time


c2cce4  No.13129681

>>12020205

Sounds too good to be true


77e3e8  No.13140811

>>13129681

It actually works. Just try using the UI client at https://orion.siderus.io/ (desktop, BitTorrent like) or https://temporal.cloud/ (private network OR (((cloud))) )


6e3d3b  No.13155005

File: 6861cd274e04158⋯.png (209.42 KB, 5213x2747, 5213:2747, MuzeumArchitecture@2x.png)

Throwing Muzeum in here.

https://muzeum.pro/

>>13109628

Catalogue & mirror everything on >>>/pdfs/ (or any content, from anywhere you like), especially things that you expect to not last long.

Run a public gateway.

Operate a pinning service.

Become a Filecoin miner.

Establish yourself as a bootstrap node.

Consider contributing to the DADI network.

Start a blog.


cdaf7d  No.13157042

>>13155005

Think of both trust-based and payment-based systems, as we have numbers but not concentrated resources


cdaf7d  No.13172060

>>13055261

Good stuff


309031  No.13172098

>>12020142

> we should be brainstorming ideas on decentralisation and better methods of reliably preserving data and communicating with one another.

All the brainstorming and code development has already been done by people smarter than us.

What these alternative networks/platforms/protocols lack is a user base comparable to the Zuckerbooks of the world. They lack the synergism of large networks with cross-pollinating subcultures and endless amounts of user feedback and a community of app developers.

>But on what other fronts can we stand to gain an edge from? Where else can easily-self-hosted content/databases and p2p projects help us?

You're asking the wrong questions. There could be hundreds of viable options but without a user base they are all impotent. The best brainstorming we could do is on how to create a user base for our network of choice.

Create a community on a given network and use good marketing & good moderating. It's a matter of working with people. The tech side has already been taken care of by an army of eggheads who can talk circles around us.

Your community should offer something unique that users can't just as easily get from the regular Internet, like exclusive content. For example, Turd Flinging Monkey makes certain videos exclusively on bitchute to force people to migrate over from Youtube. Piracy & black markets are another option if you're fine with that.


b7e3de  No.13172137

>>12020142

>http://archive.fo/HCIT5#selection-97.0-113.206

Author is a Nigress


6e3d3b  No.13186969

File: e0096957b6aece4⋯.png (15.78 KB, 737x108, 737:108, 272.png)

File: 38044d28b3bcb87⋯.jpg (57.48 KB, 640x480, 4:3, snapshot.jpg)

File: d15459428773a91⋯.png (37.15 KB, 1374x155, 1374:155, zeronet.png)

>>13172098

RE: how to achieve success, you are entirely right. Check out >>13055251 and >>13055261 for an explanation of pragmatism and where to apply such thinking within this context. As pic [1] related explains, the efforts made so far to sway a userbase that largely isn't as dissatisfied as us with the system isn't a winning strategy, unless we somehow politicised the matter in a way that could swing the emotions of the majority into giving up their comforts - and of course, having the ability for such communication in the first place would imply that new services would not be necessary for us.

Think of people's existing desires, and how we can provide for them some easier satiation. What does your average normalfag use the internet / web for? What could be done to expedite the fulfilment of their needs?

Consider also, why the people who create the content we all consume may also want to choose a particular service to deliver it.

I came across a post in another thread - >>13138701 - that covers another critical issue: collective organisation, as well as bouncing ideas off an actual, concrete vision. Maybe this is where we should throw out some GitGud repos or IRC / Matrix / RetroShare / Trello etc. rooms to start deliberating in and bringing things into reality.

Pic 3 was found in my marginal 'research' into ZeroNet - I can't comment on whether these issues have been sorted.


44ed17  No.13188143

>>13186969

If you want a good place to talk about /tech/ related operations https://chat.nobodyhasthe.biz might be a good one, they have "Right Wing Archive Squad", Eternal Archive, and other stuff that might be useful.


d80abf  No.13197626

Gayfags


6e3d3b  No.13212317

File: a3963db1fd76352⋯.jpg (50.22 KB, 680x550, 68:55, 104.jpg)

Addition to the DTube idea: pull metadata from other tube sites also and reform it into a single standard.

>>13157042

>trust-based and payment-based

Did you have any particular applications in mind?

>>13188143

>Eternal Archive

Interesting, are they very active?

>>13197626

Thanks for the bump.


77e3e8  No.13218947

>>13212317

> Did you have any particular applications in mind

Trust based would be private trackers for example, and payment-based would be Filecoin/Sia/Storj/Maidsafe for example.

> Interesting, are they very active?

They are working underground but are okay active


4e3764  No.13226403

What does a nigger have to do to get a (you)… quite a lot in a chat bot simulator that cannot read red text!!! /pol/ = no humans


007b21  No.13226411

>>13226403

>no himans

What the flying fuck are you talking about nigger?


a999a6  No.13226418

>>13226411

Ding ding ding. A reply. I've been necro bumping threads on /pol/ for at least 20 minutes, and you are the first to react. Chat bots just started posting in the necro bumped threads like nothing happened.


cdaf7d  No.13233882

>>13226403

>>13226411

>>13226418

Can the three of you STFU and learn 2 code?


45b9f7  No.13235843

Anyone have any sources or links on big (((media))) tracking and all the shit it does? I want stuff on privacy violation and god knows what else.


cdaf7d  No.13241342

Okay for some reference https://8ch.net/pol/res/12842872.html


cdaf7d  No.13241348

>>13235843

Most privacy violations are legal due to contract (EULA/TOS) details, so it is impossible to win. Just jump directly to alternative software will you?


bf6980  No.13241351

>>12020142

I remember Weev was talking about this a long time ago.


9621b3  No.13241367

File: 88807e36b7e4ce4⋯.jpg (324.34 KB, 1038x539, 1038:539, 567778656898756765875676.jpg)

>>12020142

>>12020205

Bump for a new era of free uncontrolled internet.


cea9ae  No.13241381

>>12021296

>Make a smartphone app that simplifies access and you'll become golden.

I would recommend a desktop app as well. Some of the folks in my area are ditching smartphones due to (((Big Tech's))) affinity for censorship.


cdaf7d  No.13245974

>>13241351

And Weev is a fed and a false op, who cares? Eyes on the IPFS prize

>>12021296

>>13241381

DuckDuckGo "IPFS android" and you will find at least one. Also you heard of Orion?

https://github.com/ligi/IPFSDroid

https://orion.siderus.io/


2066e3  No.13249738

>>12694831

Is this part of the attack?


7052ad  No.13258593

Bump for interest.


520cc8  No.13258800

File: f391b48af204710⋯.jpg (16.88 KB, 256x372, 64:93, WorldBrain.jpg)

>>13172098

>The best brainstorming we could do is on how to create a user base for our network of choice.

>Create a community on a given network and use good marketing & good moderating. It's a matter of working with people. The tech side has already been taken care of by an army of eggheads who can talk circles around us.

>Your community should offer something unique that users can't just as easily get from the regular Internet, like exclusive content. For example, Turd Flinging Monkey makes certain videos exclusively on bitchute to force people to migrate over from Youtube. Piracy & black markets are another option if you're fine with that.

Well, here's my two cents: I'm a fairly smart guy, but I deal with paper books and the like. Computers and tech stuff simply doesn't interest me, and I read this whole thread and didn't understand a good lot. If a smart guy like me, with bare bones minimum knowledge of how the Internet works can't really follow, then how do you expect the masses to?

>>13186969

If you want to accomplish your goal, you have to make the process simple. Currently, I can download a web browser of my choosing, or use the default, and access the Internet through a search engine. That's like, what, three steps at most to find the content I'm looking for? Before you even consider the wants and needs of the target audience, you should begin with the assumption that any alternative that wants a chance at winning over a substantial crowd has to be understandable to them without much prior knowledge. The directions to follow to access the content has to be laid out in nearly as simple terms as their currents means of accessing the Internet.

Regarding Right Wing Archive Squad, I have wanted for a long time to mirror Wikipedia, prune some ten/hundreds of thousands of redundant, superfluous and unnecessary articles, craft a base of important articles (relating to major historical events and persons, philosophical ideas and mathematical and scientific concepts mainly), and create a proper 'World Brain', with comprehensive and exhaustive bibliographies, direct links to the references, and encyclopedic commentary. The opportunities to integrate textual materials with bibliographical hyperlinks and encyclopedic content excite me greatly. Metapedia has some good stuff, but a real 'universal' encyclopedia to compete with Wikipedia would need 100x the contributors and 10,000x the content (as, I repeat, most the content on Wikipedia is either redundant or rubbish)


e8500d  No.13261597

bump


437c3f  No.13262298

>>12189054

Thanks friend.


cdaf7d  No.13262406

>>13258800

See

>>12021857

>>12088181

>>12232191

>>12411700

>>12790297

>>13140811

Orion (a Graphical interface) has been suggested again and again, maybe start reading into those?


0bca9c  No.13280712

File: 68f5fe4212aa0b9⋯.jpg (41.16 KB, 1024x724, 256:181, D5ru4W3UIAAkkXo.jpg)

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1124479091644743680

The browser addon plan has been expounded upon. After directly criticising DTube, even as the finest example of an alternative to video sharing that we have so far, they saw sense to re-share the post themselves.

>>13218947

>Trust based would be private trackers for example, and payment-based would be Filecoin/Sia/Storj/Maidsafe for example.

Some years back I was managing a tracker of over 10k users, started in response to a common economic philosophy in the rest of the community that tended to result in an income divide (buffer), and a class of users unable to make full use of a site. When I tested the removal of strictly-enforced seeding quotas, I didn't find any discernible change in activity or the health of a swarm - the 'tragedy of the commons' had been shown wrong here, and the changes were kept.

One may be able to trust a person in a mutually-beneficial game to use the same strategy, but you cannot always count on them to be available. What was ultimately a key factor in holding us back, was the lack of consistently available, high-bandwidth storage nodes to pad many of the swarms.

Interestingly, the logic behind Filecoin and even currencies where arbitrary content hosting is not an explicit part of them, would serve exactly this purpose, if played right.

What we cannot have, is gatekeepers.


cdaf7d  No.13281843

>>13280712

'tragedy of the commons' can always be solved be dedicated men w0ho desire for better.

> Interestingly, the logic behind Filecoin and even currencies where arbitrary content hosting is not an explicit part of them, would serve exactly this purpose, if played right.

> What we cannot have, is gatekeepers.

Well said. Also

> Milo kikeinopoulous

What are you, a newfag? Or worse yet a shill? Get a better example


8d0356  No.13281872

I think we need to start hording important books as well. I believe we need to seriously need to consider going back to physical copies of fucking everything.

Hard to edit that. They can only burn it.


cdaf7d  No.13287847

>>13281872

In that case, it takes up space, rot worse than bits, and can be easily damaged compared to NAS-grade HDDs and general SSDs.


6e3d3b  No.13300815

File: b23f2e6b469a691⋯.png (512.34 KB, 1191x1102, 1191:1102, roon.png)

>>13281843

>Or worse yet a shill?

Did you see any pro-Milo sentiment in that post? Are our problems any less legitimate when those we don't rally with are also facing them?

Right now we have observable audiences of at least several million, and those who are attempting to reach them are getting increasingly disillusioned with the rigging of the system, like we have been for a while. They are discovering that the alternatives they have clamoured to in hopes of a voice, compensation, or freedom of association are not what they were promised, and they now cry out for reprieve.

Such a market opportunity seldom presents itself so openly.


cdaf7d  No.13302078

>>13300815

If you are not suggesting a Co-opt by Occam's razor you are either a shill or a faggot.

But judging what you just wrote I don think you are trying to pull a Co-opt


b7e3de  No.13302135

>>12020368

>https://github.com/alcor/itty-bitty

https://itty.bitty.site/#Jews/?XQAAAAIIAAAAAAAAAAA1GUtWAIWt6jNzC1D//3U8AAA=


cdaf7d  No.13302155

>>13302135

> Using itty bitty

Software plebs I tell ya


8ff04f  No.13302779

File: d8cf0629c3eb3cc⋯.png (1.02 MB, 1264x10207, 1264:10207, ipfs.png)

>>13280712

>https://twitter.com/i/moments/1124479091644743680

Yoink!


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File: 0cdaa88848550f7⋯.webm (4.05 MB, 600x600, 1:1, Psykosonik - Psykosonik -….webm)

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cdaf7d  No.13307960

Okay who here learned IPFS?


4c4e92  No.13321214

Why is this site so laggy lately?

I keep getting cloudflare pages…


9a0fd9  No.13326632


6e3d3b  No.13334096

File: 9b0d8acfd67c66a⋯.png (64.39 KB, 558x625, 558:625, facebook.png)

File: a6682210164baca⋯.jpg (103.13 KB, 1120x634, 560:317, facebook 3.jpg)

File: 4e553ad4170a8ac⋯.jpg (177.79 KB, 1124x1139, 1124:1139, facebook 4.jpg)

File: fb9fb60838000ca⋯.pdf (1.04 MB, fb cyber phrenology patent.pdf)

>>13235843

-Snowden revelations, particularly FAIRVIEW, PRISM and MUSCULAR

-In-Q-Tel and the founding of many Silicon Valley companies

-Cambridge Analytica talk on psychographics

-Intermittent reinforcement schedules, contextual bandits, A/B testing and Netflix's artwork personalisation methods

-The surreptitious Google / Mastercard relationship

-The Cognitive Bias Codex

-Hiroyuki's involvement with Foursquare and Hottolink

-Alphabet's Jigsaw program, Fama.io and the Butterfly War

-Search engine marketing, advertisement and analytics models for services you never pay for, like those of YouTube and Mindgeek

-The arrests of 'alt-right' Discord users

-Hatomaten, IoT and Ajax technologies

-Session replay scripts by popular websites

>>13241381

>I would recommend a desktop app as well

Best strategy. And a browser addon. And all of course, being multi-platform.

>>13281872

Building a new Alexandria with enough rapidity and redundancy will probably eliminate the need for. But by all means, collect physical works too (for veritability, or even just the sentiment of collecting).

>>13258800

>The directions to follow to access the content has to be laid out in nearly as simple terms as their currents means of accessing the Internet.

This guy gets it.

>The opportunities to integrate textual materials with bibliographical hyperlinks and encyclopedic content excite me greatly

It's like we're peas in a pod anon :)

If we want 10,000 times the content, then we will want a thousand times their licensing budget.

If we can't get that, then how can we acquire all of that content?

How are these existing databases lacking in information already? How can they be improved?

How can we keep all of that content hosted, and continuously online despite the inevitable legal backlash?

Will anyone host it for us? Why would they do that? What would they be getting out of it?

What would make this access easy for people? How is the layman most accustomed to accessing media already?

What if people contend with our new database and want to make their own? Wouldn't it take them a while too?

How will people find our database?

What if people need to access our media while being in a sensitive situation (see: Chinese users)?

>>13302078

Then perhaps you should re-evaluate the post.

>>13302779

Excellent, thanks.


cdaf7d  No.13335948

> Building a new Alexandria with enough rapidity and redundancy will probably eliminate the need for. But by all means, collect physical works too (for veritability, or even just the sentiment of collecting)

Use IPFS and orion.siderus.io , or BitTorrent if you are old school


cdaf7d  No.13343683

>>13334096

> Then perhaps you should re-evaluate the post

Please elaborate on that


0bca9c  No.13356614

File: 27b5af688d2af12⋯.jpg (39.37 KB, 364x826, 26:59, alt right chat logs.jpg)

>>13343683

The significant players in the digital publishing realms (social media, forums, audio-visual media sharing platforms, encyclopedias etc.) have failed to meet the demands of a growing crowd seeking impartiality and fair-handedness in moderation. The only guarantee out of the rut that all of us are in - whether left, right, fence-sitter, 'centrist', extremist, porn addict, troll, music fan, independent producer, journalist, author, hacker, shill, or anybody else - is through a publishing system that erases the unilateral offloading of power onto such teams of moderators, or any system that they may be subjugated to themselves, like their bosses, or alphabet soups, or the law. Blockchain-based systems are flawed, but perhaps the best that we have right now.

So for one, new adopters will need to migrate onto an improved system. Primarily, they will be seeking content to consume in order to justify their move. As the autarkic publishing structure of this new system will ideally allow data to remain forever accessible, such content can be uploaded by anyone at all. But in order to retain the maximum possible attention, the content creators themselves are a necessary part of this change, in addition to an unrivalled, irremovable quantity of data.

And yet, a power vacuum would still exist. We now have unlimited distributed media, and a significant portion of people creating content exclusive to this new platform. But how are people discovering that content in the first place?

Hint: I already told you back in August >>>/pdfs/10049 [spoiler](and again in November >>13055251)


0bca9c  No.13356625

>>13356614

…[/spoiler]


6e3d3b  No.13375077

File: 2649778c171dfff⋯.png (228.79 KB, 599x1269, 599:1269, Screen Shot 2019-06-09 at ….png)

https://gab.com/gab/posts/VnZRendFcDM1alBhNm9QeWV4d0xidz09

https://archive.ph/pBtjX

Nearly 10 months later and the futility of the old web model is finally starting to become apparent to the anti-deplatforming crowds. This style of federation will not yet grant total autarky, but as the newest round of mass-depersonning acts as an accelerant to even the most innocuous of figures to rethink their publishing strategies, this fork is likely to succeed it's parent in terms of popularity any time soon, and carry forth the meme of user indexing to where it needs to be. Given enough of a push, Gab might even rid me entirely of the initial scepticism I carried for them.

As people begin to grasp the idea of federated publishing communities, the need for aggregators (indexers) of those servers and their content will eventually become clear. So for anybody reading this, you currently have a first-mover advantage. Take a look at the types in the 'fediverse' list - do you see a void for any niches in there? What might the /pol/ index of future Gab look like?

https://the-federation.info/

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQseevpKDqw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse#Fediverse_software_platforms


cdaf7d  No.13379554

File: 7ad745b7f458019⋯.png (19.52 KB, 426x276, 71:46, blue-ocean-strategy-digita….png)

>>13356614

> new adopters will need to migrate onto an improved system

So the quality of the "product" needs to improve before adoption?

> But how are people discovering that content in the first place?

And we need to learn how to target our audience?

It sounded more and more like a marketing/infowar issue than a /tech/ related one. Gurella marketing is one of the only solutions I can think of.

Netflix owns movies, Amaon wons books, Google owns videos, Facebook owns media, Microsoft owns applications.

To break out of this mold takes both high quantity marketing into counter-culture AND quality production value (see >>13103862 )


5fa6cf  No.13399480

>>13055251

Siacoin's philosophical pricipals are sound. I am currently unaware of how well they can implement their services and/or their dev team are honest, or they are compromised. Seems like it's not fully decentralized, as in it needs some sort of centralization to work. But their market approach seems promising. They seem to get good traction on the whole blockchain wave. I got nothing on zeronet. I guess the amount of 'revolutionary solutions' all these newbiecoins try to push us make most of them it look red in more than one sense to me.

Monero is the most safe and, if not the only, truly anonymous one out there thanks to their pooling protocol.


6e3d3b  No.13399481

File: aade5ac3df87c94⋯.png (112.43 KB, 749x582, 749:582, stripping-tor-anonymity-1.png)

>>12188400

I've been re-considering the implications of this recently. And after the new Alex Jones situation, the application of such a tactic and the conditions for it are becoming clearer.

https://www.infowars.com/watch/?video=5d04254a848c210017aafef8

In short, CP is a litmus test for the viability of platforms. It is constantly being served over Tor, but Tor's security, coupled with it's practicality for alphabet agencies (even though they are attempting to survey traffic over it) have kept the network running for almost 17 years now.

The states and intellectual property mafias love to use CP as a weapon to prevent people from publishing as they wish, and as a result, they've given us the perfect metric to use when determining how to share information. They can use it as an attack vector, but so can we.

>>13379554

>So the quality of the "product" needs to improve before adoption?

Yes, so

>And we need to learn how to target our audience?

does not need to happen.

Consider operating a television network in the 1940's. There isn't any need to consider a marketing strategy when you are deciding what the programming is going to be. People are going to be watching your station because right now, they only have 2 other choices. WRGB established their brand early, and they are still around because of it.

What we need to think about is what people will want to consume, and how we can accrue that content (which we don't even need to personally host - just the content addresses).

>Netflix owns movies

Netflix licences out movies for considerable amounts of debt, and borrows even more to be able to host and distribute them. There are existing services that index over 10x the size of their content, but the UX for those services do not match what the majority of Netflix subscribers are looking for. Conversely, the Netflix UX does not live up to the expectations of most of those other users.

VODs are simple and easy to use, but cost money and lack in titles. Torrent trackers are free, but your grandma won't want to use them, and she might end up getting a virus or malformed files from them anyway - unless they're private, in which case, she probably isn't even getting in. Soulseek has a lot of content, but no organisation. File lockers are pretty fast, but they don't even have any indexing inherent to them at all. As for the warez scene, nobody has heard of it and nobody is getting in.

When these strengths can be appropriately balanced for an experience that provides as much for the casual consumer as it does for the studied hobbyist, a media campaign will not be necessary, as the media will belong to us.


cdaf7d  No.13403388

>>13399480

> Siacoin's philosophical pricipals are sound.

But their code isn't

> Seems like it's not fully decentralized, as in it needs some sort of centralization to work

Exactly

> But their market approach seems promising

See also Storj and Maidsafe, they all are not algorithmically sound compared to IPFS/Filecoin

> Monero is the most safe and, if not the only, truly anonymous one out there thanks to their pooling protocol.

Another truth, unless you like Zcash and Dash that is.

>>13399481

Let me try and read that

> Netflix licences out movies for considerable amounts of debt, and borrows even more to be able to host and distribute them.

> Conversely, the Netflix UX does not live up to the expectations of most of those other users.

Translation: our enemies sucks at delivering content.

> There are existing services that index over 10x the size of their content, but the UX for those services do not match what the majority of Netflix subscribers are looking for

Translation: competing in the same sphere is hard.

> VODs are simple and easy to use, but cost money and lack in titles

Translation: Legacy mediums and protocols fail

> Torrent trackers are free, but your grandma won't want to use them, and she might end up getting a virus or malformed files from them anyway

Translation: anything that is sound in software fails in mass adoption

> unless they're private, in which case, she probably isn't even getting in

> As for the warez scene, nobody has heard of it and nobody is getting in.

Translation: The "closed group" strategy will fail

> Soulseek has a lot of content, but no organisation.

> File lockers are pretty fast, but they don't even have any indexing inherent to them at all

Translation: we must try our hardest to create a compromise between media sharing and media management.


5b14bb  No.13403462

File: 440f2fa6c2833d8⋯.pdf (5.55 MB, [Professor_Dr._Ing._E._h._….pdf)

>>12020297

thanks anon for a good book >>12020297


f1ee08  No.13403836

>>12020142

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/does-ipfs-provide-any-guarantees-about-anonymity/387


cdaf7d  No.13406344

>>13403836

Learn to route IPFS through TOR/I2P


000000  No.13406528

>>13406344

Nah. I'm not touching IPFS because I don't want CP on my hard drive.

IPFS STORES DATA FROM OTHER USERS ON YOUR HARD DRIVE!!!


5d3073  No.13406543

>>12020142

>Filecoin

This is a thinly veiled shilling thread.


309031  No.13411381

File: 7c9d89bda1d94be⋯.pdf (1.32 MB, Steal Back the Internet.pdf)

Read my fucking book

It's by no means the final edition, and the ending is abrupt, but it covers all the bases and presents an actionable starting point for stealing back the Internet.

>>12020461

>>12024077

These anons get it.

>>13172098

This anon really gets it.

>>12188400

This anon does NOT get it. Yes CP is unfortunate, although copyright violation isn't. But the larger issue here is creating a network that cannot be censored, regardless of the justification being used.


967ca1  No.13414140

>>13406528

> IPFS STORES DATA FROM OTHER USERS ON YOUR HARD DRIVE

Same goes for BitTorrent you retard. Oh you are not seeding torrents? Well then you can also not pin a fucking file in IPFS

retard niggercattle disregarded

>>13411381

STFU and make a markdown version of the book will you?


967ca1  No.13414162

Fuck, just start working on >>>/hydrus/ and make true progress with IPFS

That includes every fucking post ITT!

http://github.com/hydrusnetwork/hydrus

https://github.com/sakharovaan/hydrus-unleashed

https://github.com/CuddleBear92/Hydrus-Presets-and-Scripts

https://github.com/bbappserver/hydrus-youtube-dl

https://github.com/bbappserver/hydrus-url-hole

https://github.com/bbappserver/hydrus_tag_tool

https://github.com/bbappserver/hydrus-django

https://github.com/floogulinc/hydrus-web

https://github.com/cravxx/hydrus.js

https://github.com/FredericaBernkastel/HydrusTagMI

https://github.com/Kycklingar/PBooru

https://gitgud.io/hydrus

https://gitgud.io/groups/hydrus/-/shared


000000  No.13414385

>>13414140

IPFS has no advantages over torrents, you dumb nigger.

Tor, I2P, Torrents; we have everything we need already, without building new and shittier copies of things that already work.


d26573  No.13415283

>>13414140

Nah you do it. Shut up I mean.


f74d86  No.13415353

>>13414385

Bit Torrent is great as long as you can maintain access on other p2p networks to share the torrent files or post magnet links. Otherwise if the major torrent sites go down (and they often do) then you have to rely on other means to share these and for people to actually find these magnet links. Same thing with IPFS really. I have yet to check out IPFS Desktop which is a thing now, if they could only make a uncensorable, searchable p2p application for IPFS it might go somewhere.


f74d86  No.13415415

>>13406528

Hmmm…. is it complete data, or just bits of data from other random files? Because if its complete that should be a thing of concern, but if its only fractions of bits from dozens of random files then the files being shared are randomly scrambled across the web, meaning they are not full files UNLESS you were to actually download one of those CP links.


b3310e  No.13416624

Thank you for posting.

If it is ok i will post what i see needs to happen for the bread and circus normies to move over:

It needs to be painless to switch over. Even though separate clients must and should be developed it should be as easy as visiting an url to visit "the new internet" – even if this will not be entirely secure it should be possible. When the normie is on this "new internet" he can be exposed to why he should switch, but no complicated hoops for him to jump through!

It needs to be better than the old internet. It needs to be faster, just like torrenting a movie is usually a lot faster than downloading it from a webserver… It needs to be more interesting. It needs to be refreshing. Only when the normie sees what fb and youtube hides from him he will think of switching.

You need support from big free speech/foundations/benefactors/etcetcetc for servers etc - not everyone will want to run their own and CAN run their own stable server - without becoming beholden to them. Don't sell out.

For content creators: it needs to be as painless or less painless to share and distribute content as it already is.

The masses only switch when something is /clearly/ better. If you fail to accomplish these goals no matter how good the technology is the masses will live on in ignorance.


cdaf7d  No.13423002

>>13414385

> Don't want to use a global DHT to make sharing easier

It basically make all trackers one. Unless you favor private trackers (which hinders mass sharing) I recommend IPFS

Also routing IPFS through TOR and I2P is already doable, see https://github.com/Kycklingar/PBooru

>>13415353

> I have yet to check out IPFS Desktop which is a thing now

https://orion.siderus.io go ahead, be my guest.

> if they could only make a uncensorable, searchable p2p application for IPFS it might go somewhere

That is the only barrier to entry, otherwise

> if the major torrent sites go down (and they often do) then you have to rely on other means to share these and for people to actually find these magnet links

Which makes IPFS superior


620771  No.13428916

>mesh tunnelling will replace paid VPNs and content aggregators will replace forum monoliths

My feed reader uses nested VPNs/Tor to visit hundreds of site/forums, totaling to thousands of pages and presents to me only what is new and not trash, by filtering out the junk and old.

Guess I already live in the future.


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a9d3ad  No.13444407

File: 55ccda2914ad542⋯.png (556.93 KB, 1031x5886, 1031:5886, Comparison Of Streaming Me….png)

File: 4806b4ad9fe57b7⋯.png (136.38 KB, 1217x829, 1217:829, Comparison Of Video Hostin….png)

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File: 1e6b0e42fe9d09b⋯.png (30.67 KB, 449x457, 449:457, Comparison Of Video Hostin….png)


a9d3ad  No.13444413

File: 640d44d27457511⋯.png (361.2 KB, 1029x3440, 1029:3440, Comparison_of_video_stream….png)

File: c35d5ab1e3fb1e0⋯.png (243.65 KB, 1021x2058, 1021:2058, Content Delivery Network P….png)

File: d055daa88aec976⋯.png (443.41 KB, 1023x3346, 1023:3346, List Of PodCatchers - Wiki.png)

File: b38d9c0eceae9d3⋯.png (324.39 KB, 1035x3859, 1035:3859, List of STreaming Media Se….png)


a9d3ad  No.13444416

File: d184f0236b9b595⋯.png (324.28 KB, 1024x3852, 256:963, List Of Streaming Media Sy….png)

File: 840f0d542088794⋯.png (499.87 KB, 1041x4875, 347:1625, List Of Video Hosting Webs….png)

File: 5ccb0664e5ba585⋯.png (79.13 KB, 690x762, 115:127, Video Streaming Platform P….png)

File: 9d58eda00345098⋯.png (389.15 KB, 1033x3000, 1033:3000, Peer-to-Peer Assisted Stre….png)


a9d3ad  No.13444452

File: d660877e7630da5⋯.png (95.76 KB, 725x1111, 725:1111, Alt Education Index.png)

File: 0aea4b7d06a9548⋯.png (367.62 KB, 1022x3710, 73:265, Alternative Education Inde….png)

File: 37c092947bd8f2a⋯.png (679.71 KB, 829x7557, 829:7557, Alternatives To School Sta….png)

File: 3e2525632c9bc53⋯.png (131.9 KB, 881x1436, 881:1436, Applied Sciences Index.png)


a9d3ad  No.13444460

File: 9cc74e5726bfe84⋯.png (469.55 KB, 1217x4326, 1217:4326, OpInfoLib.png)


a9d3ad  No.13444554

File: 3645fd23fb30fbe⋯.pdf (2.01 MB, Backside_Of_American_Histo….pdf)


363e30  No.13444697

Mesh networks / CB radio packet switching could be next. Imagine not only one monolithic internet, but a sea of separate internets, some entirely regional based on wifi mesh strength.

Of course, each independent internet will have to build their own search engines / wikis / tools etc., but at the rate the "internet" is becoming ENTIRELY controlled by shitty corporations and despotic corrupt governments (is there any difference at this point), we will soon be facing thought control on an unprecedented level.


584cfb  No.13448451

>>13444407 and >>13444413 and >>13444416

> Alternative video streaming and CDNs

GitHub/source code or GTFO, most of these will censor anyway (Bitchute is a bad exception but still)

>>13444452

> Alternate schools

Start a >>>/school/ board and we can start discussing a curriculum.

Also https://chat.nobodyhasthe.biz has a lot of room for education

>>13444460

That was a shit thread, show me a curriculum, list the resources, define a standard work ethic to prevent >>>/trannypol/ co-opt or GTFO.

>>13444697

But Meshes are bad for cross-continent data sharing, so we need multiple gateways between mesh and fiber-optics


e8e3e1  No.13448951

Jews have .done this for thousands of years through all the forms of technology (that we the white men created). They keep very large family trees etc and information on what works to destroy things etc. They keep destroying our civilisations amd wiping the hostoric records and we rebuild but dont pass anything down to our young. Take a leaf out of the Jews book and start.


584cfb  No.13452724

>>13448951

So archive everything?


4f5d36  No.13470852

>>13452724

And make backups


cdaf7d  No.13482321

Okay, looks like >>>/hydrus/ is updating their IPFS to make it faster, rejoice


3854d0  No.13496250

antisemitic quality bump.


23f6eb  No.13496740

Okay, people. here are our options for wikis.

For Python, https://github.com/moinwiki/moin

For JS, https://github.com/Requarks/wiki

For boorus, here are our only options

Ruby https://github.com/moebooru/moebooru

Python https://github.com/rr-/szurubooru


6e3d3b  No.13499339

File: 955c816b80f3446⋯.png (269.56 KB, 1200x1000, 6:5, bitchute importer.png)

I wonder if I will gain even more low-effort shills if I continue what I started to say about weaponising CP (don't worry, I will be).

In the mean time, BitChute has paid attention to the need for streamlined content migration, and JBP has started his INTELLECTUAL, FREE SPEECH-COMMITTED payment processor / publisher that promises not to police content, except for monitoring the subjective quality of shorter posts of course. Since we know they only draw the line at court-ordered takedowns, we can conduct any amount of edgy, non-violent business through here with impunity. We should really stress-test it out.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/alexander-hall/2019/06/12/jordan-peterson-announces-free-speech-platform-thinkspot

>>13403388

>Translation: competing in the same sphere is hard.

I actually had the less 'legitimate' services (filesharing) in mind with that line, so it isn't strictly the same sphere. But otherwise anon, you're entirely on point.

>>13411381

Now we're getting somewhere.

You're very much correct about the content creator-sustainability aspect of things - creatives do not require an AdSense account or another analytics program to be able to profit from their work, and they don't even necessarily need to sell their work. With that said, neither do we.

I have one major issue here. Generally, the mindset of the old web is still lingering in how you seem to view the communication of media on effectively 'serverless' (or clientless?) systems. For one, in trying to wean the public off the teat of the dominant publishers, expecting them to pay you for the opportunity to do so directly contradicts the ease that is necessary for change (or rather, the incentives to switch being larger than the reasons to stay) - especially when the transactions are, by their very nature, illicit. Furthermore, creating an infrastructure that allows for the limitless distribution of data, will not work well for those who try to limit the distribution of their data - your paywalls will be broken too. Also, the current model of advertising depends on serving constant asynchronous data to X web server, which is re-interpreted and the result sent back to the client, forming a more gradual understanding of the data points (read: you) over time. In a system of more transient identity generation and no central point from which to request or deliver content, this will cease to be an option.

However, you still cover a few things that haven't really been touched on ITT but deserve to be mentioned - e.g. mirroring major news feeds as well as doing the work for independent creators, crypto as an added sharing incentive, and you even mentioned patrons in there. All of them will have a more-than-minor place in any viable future adoption strategies.

Perhaps my favourite aspect of IPFS in particular is the nature of which any piece of data can be reduced to a single 58-bit string. How can that possibly be countered? Collisions, if they ever even happen, can be evaded immediately by swapping out the hashing algorithm and would not cause false downloads (I think) anyway, due to the binary tree integrity checks. A complete catalogue of a large YouTube channel could be put together within an afternoon right now by you or me, even if the actual hosting methodology isn't solidified until much later down the line, and longevity of the content would already be ensured. How can one defend against that?

>Yes CP is unfortunate, although copyright violation isn't. But the larger issue here is creating a network that cannot be censored

The threat of edgy / illegal material can be used to salt the earth of the old web startups, and as the recent Hawley proposal has shown, copyright infringement may grow to be an even more significant issue, even for the major Silicon Valley firms (and compounding with the new Veritas video on Google, things are really starting to turn south for the old web giants). "Convincing the masses" would probably require the mass dissemination ability that we are looking for in the first place, or at least a trove of material that would initially need a large-scale networking cooperation on our part. Steering the behaviour of much smaller, more powerful, and more centralised groups (I mentioned one at the start of this post) would be a far easier task until then. I'll leave it there for now.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1097540579314024448

Some of Netflix's more glaring flaws have been outlined here, including the necessity of pumping endless VC money into keeping their business afloat. Consider firing a message to this account, an email address too if you have one. And I'll even overlook the casual samefagging you did in that post.

>>13414140

>make a markdown version of the book

I concur.


2c4bc5  No.13499395

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>>13499339

You ever consider using different hardware than what's commercially available?

Not too hard to write an SDR for an ammateur frequency and turn your cell phone into a grgsm.

From there you'd just need a script to interpret the packages.


6e3d3b  No.13499644

File: 3410e81e2b39c99⋯.jpg (1.84 MB, 1748x2622, 2:3, Tunisise_Carthage_Tophet_S….JPG)

File: 3ea57627942665d⋯.pdf (710.59 KB, Cinephilia and Archive: Th….pdf)

File: 3cfff49c41787c5⋯.pdf (491.31 KB, Content Management Systems….pdf)

File: cf64bdcaa16df30⋯.pdf (120.71 KB, The Anatomy of a Large-Sca….pdf)

>>13428916

I once read of a mythical warez community who created a service to do the same.

>>13444413

>>13444407

>>13444416

>>13444452

>>13444460

>>13444554

Keep up this kind of analysis. Access and scalable distribution won't be the only concerns of a successor. We will also need to consider integration, APIs, standardisation, compatibility and other inter-service management for disparate protocols and communications systems (hardware included). This is how future libraries will be built.

>>13470852

And share the backups with friends. And make sure you have a system to update them automatically.

>>13482321

The need for tagging and categorisation is very understated. Even in this thread.

>>13444697

>>13448451

>>13499395

For the record, my knowledge and experience of embedded programming stands at around 0. But alas.

A group of residents on island of Washington State have spun together a Cisco switch, router and microwave radios to receive signals from the mainland where CenturyLink was providing insufficient service, and distributed it across various relays set up on the trees, to give a better service on the densely-wooded island than what they had originally paid for.

There will be a period where we will still be reliant on the backbone for seamless global transmissions, but in the case where transoceanic cables are not necessary (ie contiguous landmass), this will rarely be a concern. As for a satellite system:

http://www.parabolicarc.com/2018/02/11/bitcoinlatina-foundation-cubecab-launch-300-satellite-network-support-bcl-blockchain/

As I've said above, a key factor of success will be in our ability to interplay varying data models and protocols. The internet has catalysed a slew of efforts for the Next Big Thing that diverges from the environment of the pre-web era, where such projects were far more specialised and expensive (and so, sparse). Every FOSS author and their dog will be viciously chasing their version of the future. Let's work a step ahead, and consider the mediators of those networks and their resources.

Why do we need Cloudflare? Or Amazon Web Services?

Or ICANN?


95bcca  No.13511197

>>13499644

People have attempted rallying others to create a full /pol/ homeschool curriculum… And failed.

https://archive.fo/hCNfr

I would like to say that this needs to be revamped if we want some basic way of success

Idea: Books and resources categorized by topic and level

1st Grade core, module/topic 1A, 1B, 1C…

2nd Grade core, module/topic 2A, 2B, 2C…

3rd Grade …

Modules and topics will be categorized by ease of redpilling/reading


95bcca  No.13511259

> that feeling when /fur/ beats /pol/ in the tech front (see http://archive.fo/CHr8n )

Except the Politically Incorrect library as hosted in >>>/pdfs/ we don't really have that much of a say in decentralization of files (books or otherwise)


967ca1  No.13517671

>>13511197

Okay so who here in /pol/ knows how to design courses? See thread >>>/pdfs/7924


b72dae  No.13517840

File: ecae623ca8b78a3⋯.png (1.26 MB, 1397x777, 1397:777, Screenshot from 2019-07-12….png)




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