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6e3d3b  No.12020142

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNhFJjGcMPqpuYfxL62VVB9528NXqDNMFXiqN5bgFYiZ1/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html

http://archive.fo/1eLvd

http://archive.fo/HCIT5#selection-97.0-113.206

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/avoid-hosting-of-illegal-material/48/19

HTTP is a lost cause and our popular archival services can only be relied on for so much, and for so long. Perhaps, as our enemies rely on keeping our contact severed and our information restricted, we should be brainstorming ideas on decentralisation and better methods of reliably preserving data and communicating with one another.

Pic related was hacked up in GIMP earlier today, but IPFS can potentially take the concept much, much farther. Filecoin will replace traditional hosting services, mesh tunnelling will replace paid VPNs and content aggregators will replace forum monoliths. But on what other fronts can we stand to gain an edge from? One interesting idea has been toyed with:

https://github.com/smugdev/smugboard

And there is already a growing number of IPFS-based chat services out there. So where else can easily-self-hosted content/databases and p2p projects help us?

8b48c5  No.12020164

>data-sharing application that is designed to recover files using hashed content addresses(links pointing to the content) rather than IP addresses(links pointing to the location)

so the content addresses gotta be somewhere, right?

are they at… an IP address?


8b48c5  No.12020172

>>12020164

and is there a place on the whole internet that ISN'T an IP address?

or maybe I'm just retarded


6e3d3b  No.12020205

File: fbfa8afd05471f7⋯.jpg (65.4 KB, 640x640, 1:1, 10448990_844067165674828_1….jpg)

>>12020164

>>12020172

IPFS runs at a higher level of abstraction than the TCP/IP protocol we generally depend on to contact each other. However, it isn't dependent on any particular host, or any particular protocol, to serve content. Nor does it depend on domain name severs or most of the bottlenecks that hold the web back today. Peers are generated by, and discovered through a modified DHT. It's basically a single, global torrent swarm.

https://ipfs.io/#how


9f47d6  No.12020231

>>12020205

does a IPFS website needs a seeder to be kept alive?


ff7ebd  No.12020241

the way I see it.

ipfs sites will still be taken down for free speech and other illegal activities.

how do you see it?


6e3d3b  No.12020251

File: 2aadb54642f1096⋯.png (93.56 KB, 864x894, 144:149, Screenshot-2018-02-16-at-1….png)

>>12020231

Yes, as does any content. And as well as the inherent 'bitswap' method of providing content that other peers want, there has been a cryptocurrency conceived purely to incentivise the seeding of content:

https://github.com/ipfs/specs/tree/master/bitswap

https://coincentral.com/filecoin-beginners-guide-largest-ever-ico/

>>12020241

In order to take down a single IPFS file, one must physically take down every single node on the network that is hosting it or part of it. In comparison, HTTP service can be denied by interfering with content delivery networks, domain registrars, ISPs, or the content hosts, to name a few. Which do you see as an easier target?


4c52a9  No.12020257

>>12020205

That's actually one hell of a value proposition.


ff7ebd  No.12020264

>>12020251

>>12020241

>must physically take down every single node on the network that is hosting it

how do I access the site after https://www.ipfs.io has blocked my unique url?

>I am asking for my self and all the other normies on this topic.


5bd692  No.12020266

>>12020264

>incorrect usage of greentext

>doesn't understand IPFS at all

lurk moar


ff7ebd  No.12020274

>>12020266

implying that everyone here understands ipfs

>muh only way to use greentext

>>>/suicide/


6e3d3b  No.12020279

>>12020264

ipfs.io is just the official gateway, for the purpose of accessing content through the HTTP-based web. If you have IPFS installed, you can either grab it yourself with "ipfs get [hash]", or use your localhost gateway, or somebody else's.


464467  No.12020297

File: e37cf2bea756159⋯.jpg (18 KB, 294x474, 49:79, konrad_zuse_the_computer_m….jpg)

File: f68673090fc1e9b⋯.png (127.67 KB, 887x305, 887:305, konrad_zuse_most_news_in_a….png)

File: 0ed9bcfaa705169⋯.png (212.79 KB, 893x508, 893:508, konrad_zuse_most_news_in_a….png)

File: ba8f5887db6245a⋯.png (272.39 KB, 911x669, 911:669, konrad_zuse_naivete_1.png)

File: 9d681cf117c5daa⋯.png (344.91 KB, 903x874, 903:874, konrad_zuse_naivete_2.png)

>>12020164

content is stored at potentially thousands and millions of IP addresses. that's the whole point of IPFS. the ADL ziokikes and glory hole @Jack and (((Zucc))) and the libcuck blacked CEO of Cloudfront and the PRISM partners AT&T (BLARNEY) and Verizon (STORMBREW) and Sprint (OAKSTAR) and the NSA can take down one IP address or a network of IP addresses, but they can't take down all IP addresses.

think of IPFS as the equivalent of the Glock in escalating the Internet arms race against The Powers That Be. the Internet race has become exceedingly dismal since the fond days when dew-eyed hippy idealism about the Information Superhighway dominated the mindscape in the 1990's. arguably, the Internet arms race is already a lost war, reducing us to isolated guerilla hit and run tactics and the eventual extinction of the old cypherpunk dream that Information Wants to Be Free and that the Internet Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It.

the (((you know who's))) are nearly on the verge of turning the Internet in America into the Internet in Totalitarian Communist China.

me amigo, i'd say it is a moral duty of any denizens of these here chans under this looming New Dark Age to run an IPFS node and donate your bandwidth and disk space to the cause of Freedom of Speech to mirror and keep shadowbanned and suspended content alive and available and free on IPFS.

btw, images are pages from the autobiography "Konrad Zuse: The Computer, My Life"

http://

download1.libgen.io/

ads.php?md5=0AD1C48B9B3B034C9F23471285198476


ff7ebd  No.12020310

>>12020297

>>12020279

I have read about ipfs 1 or 2 years ago and I was excited about It, I just didn't know how to bring it to use.

I think I will use it for some projects and I will also consider hosting.

I think many are already sponsoring their bandwith for torrents and they will also host ipfs when they see that it has more benefits to society than hosting jewish movies.


5bd692  No.12020356

>>12020341

not going to that botnet, but does it use the data: URI scheme with base64 encoding?


ff7ebd  No.12020368

File: f26382a60c3051e⋯.png (426.17 KB, 1728x2734, 864:1367, bitty.png)

File: b9274e9a2744bdc⋯.jpg (115.07 KB, 756x553, 108:79, jewish portrait.jpg)

>>12020341

>use this website to archive your data goyim


464467  No.12020414

File: dd40dd9cf2feb5f⋯.gif (4.11 MB, 327x251, 327:251, josey_wales_spit.gif)

>>12020241

way i sees it, you're espousing that ol' bull of self-defeating self-fulfilling prophecy surrender, which is all too common round here.

if you never bother to try because you think you'll fail, then you have already failed.

instead of letting the slave's mentality guide you, why not think like a fucking warrior?

please, by all means, let the Federale door kickers come and get me and seize my IPFS node. I WANT THEM TO. because i want to be the first Court case to make it all the way to SCOTUS to force The State to definitively decide for the Law of the Land whether participating in a decentralized anonymous encrypted p2p network is Free Speech or is Illegal Speech. choose door number 1, and Free Speech continue as normal, escalating to hide in ever more uncensorable crevices. choose door number 2, and ban IPFS, and tip your hand to the general public that they do not really possess any Free Speech and that TPTB can arbitrarily decide whether your speech is illegal. either door is a win for the long-game. throwing yourself onto the burning pyre to become a free speech martyr is one of the greatest achievements anyone could accomplish.


a2fe93  No.12020432

>>12020368

>literally cannot read

Fuck off.

>>12020356

Here’s the GitHub for it: https://github.com/alcor/itty-bitty


6e3d3b  No.12020433

>>12020310

>when they see that it has more benefits to society than hosting jewish movies

Au contraire, a good enough platform for movie piracy may just be what swings a heavy amount of laymen towards the idea of IPFS.


c42efd  No.12020461

Do you know what's the problem with your project? I mean apart from bugs (it is in alpha) and the fact that it hungrily eats up slow connections.

There is currently absolutely nothing interesting there that one can't find on clearweb. Populate it with something that is easy to grab but which forces you to connect. Then we start talking about a useful project.

I mean, seriously. We have all these "new" (or old) types of networks. Onion, Zeronet, I2P, usenet, etc. etc.. And all of them offer nothing that you can't find on clearweb, they are all underpopulated, and just begging for people to come over. And the only people that actually do are into CP or some shit.

Seriously. Give us some serious content, create a /pol/ home for us, and you may get some people to transition.


699dcc  No.12021296

>>12020297

>New Dark Age

Anon, you are aware the (((Dark Age))) is a jewish meme to represent a time when jews were barred from political, economical, academic, or media activity in the White Man's land, aren't you? Using this expression to represent the White man makes you a shabbos goy.

>censorship is bad

Censorship is perfectly fine when it protects a a nation against degeneracy. This distinction is important because free speech is a jewish vehicle that allows jew to express degeneracy and destroy the moral character of the nation they've infected. Jewish power lies in their ability to think up the most depraved shit and express it through voice, amplified by movies, television, and Internet, which is the most dangerous of all vehicles since no barrier exists to prevent their depravity from reaching every toddler and granny across all races and nations. It allows them to amplify and embolden their nigger proxies and sandnigger golems against the White man.

>>12020414

> the long game is pleb hate against censorship

That's not how the game is played at all. You don't even know the rules and erroneously make these dumb conclusions. The game is simply this: rig everything against Whites, but not against the shitskin hoards. There will be no shitskin plegs rising up against censorship against Whites. The issue isn't which type of speech is acceptable or not, but censorship which proceeds White genocides by jewish proxies.

>be judicial court martyr

This isn't a battle that will be won in courts, anon. That boomerthink belongs on plebbit, not in /pol/. Lurk 2 years before speaking again.

>>12020461

> the problem is this

IPFS is a great censorship platform, but it needs to be easily accessible, particularly by Whites whom most need it. Make a smartphone app that simplifies access and you'll become golden.


699dcc  No.12021302

>>12021296

> be IPFS censorship-proof


373315  No.12021357

File: 6d0bfb0c0c27b1f⋯.jpg (19.59 KB, 500x332, 125:83, -b-u-m-p-.jpg)


6cb7bf  No.12021548

This isn't /pol/ cunt. Fuck off.


822f9a  No.12021650

>>12021548

sage negated


bd07cb  No.12021680

this website will be alive for as long the internet is alive, all you need is a way to execute userscripts in your browser and then simply visit any website and add /bratwurst.kompani at the end of URL

// ==UserScript==
// @description this is the motherfucking website
// @name bratwurst.kompani
// @match http*://*/bratwurst.kompani
// @version 14.88
// @run-at document-start
// ==/UserScript==
document.getElementsByTagName("html")[0].innerHTML = "<body><marquee><p>KRAUT DANCE PARTY 24/7</p></marquee><br><br><center><video loop autoplay src=\"https'':''//a.doko.moe/putukw.webm\"></video></center><marquee><p>JUDEN VERBOTEN</p></marquee></body>";
document.title = "bratwurst ist gut";


934451  No.12021857

>>12021680

Nobody cares about your Delete System32 faggot >>>/oven/

>>12021548

IPFS is used in >>>/pdfs/ for books and archives, so we are technically /poltech/ here.

IPFS is just BitTorrent on steroids if you can't into Linux then just use https://orion.siderus.io/


934451  No.12021862

>>12020264

IPFS has many gateways, GG

https://ipfs.github.io/public-gateway-checker/

Also learn2 command-line. Or use Orion if you are weak


1a6b0c  No.12021883

>>12021519

>, even thought they were affected by geoglacial changes as has been proven by ice-core samples.

Hey sounds interesting, got a link to the paper(s)? I'm at work and wondering how to fill the last few hours.


4763b1  No.12022101

>>12020142

also check out mediadrop. it's a neat open source video hosting software.


5ede3b  No.12022111

>>12020142

Maybe some /tech/ fags can jump in, but if a site has HTTPS, it should be possible to use IPFS as an authoritative archive.is alternative, no?

As in, capture the whole HTTPS transaction - and because we have the whole transaction, we can prove that the content is undoctored?

Is that what this does:

https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

Requesting that /tech/ fags create a pleb-friendly frontend for the above.

Also, for Tweets, DMS's, or any other short message that needs to be highly censor-resistant: memo.cash


0bca9c  No.12024077

File: baec78e2bc152e9⋯.jpg (59.35 KB, 960x640, 3:2, 430458_365511046807548_100….jpg)

>>12020461

Usenet is antiquated. I2P is bogged down by latency/bandwidth issues. Onion is subject to the follies of HTTP.

Right now, the bugs are really the more pressing drawbacks to IPFS. We can't expect any significant shift of users to the new protocol if there are no platforms built for them (and relying on most end users wanting to navigate the CLI is not wise), and we can't efficiently develop platforms while parts of the functionality and design lack in intuitiveness. Fortunately the development teams seem to be aware of many of these things, and platforms are still being created regardless (see the smugboard link in the OP if you want to look into a possible IPFS /pol/).

What should probably be a precedence is taking existing established services that are based mostly on IPFS already - DTube for example - and push them off HTTP entirely (or alternatively, create clones). Then, play up the freedom angles when spreading word about them to the public. And it goes without saying, try to populate them with content that people will actively seek out. Establishing contact with people who already make that content for this purpose would also be a good step.

>>12022111

>Is that what this does:

Yes, it seems that is implied in the section about WARC header parsing in "indexer.py".


87d8d0  No.12024086

No

You had your chance, you blew it.


01c011  No.12024158

>>12024077

I think a high priority item would be a browser extension that WARC's and uploads to IPFS.

I actually did a bit more research into

>>12022111

… last night and I don't understand how it manages to replay HTTPS. Problem is, though we can record the transaction, I don't believe Chrome provides an interface to actually get the keys needed to decipher the handshakes (I looked at QtWebEngine and couldn't see an interface that could achieve this either).

But, the benefit of a Browser extension is that it would alleviate the need to leverage a third party service that can only record a particular URL. For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page. This has always been a limitation of traditional archiving services - if someone were to infiltrate Skippy's social media circle, for instance, they could not pass the URL's to a traditional archiving service because it would be behind an authentication wall.

All that said, I'm not entirely familiar with HTTPS and the interfaces that most browsers provide, so if anyone could provide more insight as to whether it is:

>feasible to create a WARC+IPFS extension for Chrome/Firefox/Falkon or similar

>have the ability for the WARC to be proven as an authentic transaction via HTTPS

… that'd be great. Will CC the /tech/ department to see if they have anything to contribute in this regard.


ba7aa7  No.12025386

>>12024158

https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

https://github.com/ludios/grab-site

https://github.com/webrecorder/webrecorder

https://github.com/internetarchive/warc

https://github.com/N0taN3rd/Squidwarc

https://github.com/machawk1/warcreate

https://github.com/machawk1/wail

https://github.com/n0tan3rd/wail

Your first challenge: understand what these repos do


936fc4  No.12025600

>>12025386

I think you misunderstand my concern. Scraping a website and storing it is easy. What I don't believe is easy and someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me here is proving that what's scraped is the actual authentic response from a particular domain.

For example, I could scrape http://somesite.com (note the use of http and not https), but I could easily MITM attack the content to inject whatever I wanted - or straight up just modify it after the fact.

My question is around how HTTPS behaves. If I were to scrape my internet traffic while visiting a HTTPS site using a software suite like Wireshark, for example, I would be unable to view the decrypted data. So, the idea I'm speaking of here is basically recording the whole HTTPS session + the decryption key established in the handshake. I'm assuming and again, may be wrong that this would provide proof that the response is in fact signed by the HTTPS certificate possessed by the domain being scraped. Attempting to modify this content would then invalidate the signature - so it could be proven if it was an authentic response versus a tampered response.

>https://github.com/oduwsdl/ipwb

This only mentions HTTP in the description.


ddadea  No.12026519

>>12024158

>>12025600

>For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page

Now that's the kind of ingenuity I was looking for, anon. You've certainly looked more deeply into this than I have, so I'm not sure I could give you many new insights here, but maybe looking into how public key pinning works will help clarify the matter for you. Or certificate transparency, the implementation that Google opted for instead (because, they claim, of security reasons).

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7469

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6962


821147  No.12030194

>>12025600

The thing to understand is the way of which these software does archiving. If we don't know how WARC is made, and how WARC can be dumped into IPFS, the project is useless on the get-go


9d3086  No.12030527

>>12030194

>If we don't know how WARC is made

>the project is useless on the get-go

The more important factor here is the HTTPS question - and whether it is technically possible to verify that a HTTPS request/response has not been tampered. Even if this does not fit into a WARC format, a new container can be built for it - if it is possible.

>and how WARC can be dumped into IPFS

This is trivial. IPFS can accept any type of file.


1f2f48  No.12030745

>>12030527

The issue (being a bike shed) is whether this is "reinventing the wheel" or not.


9d3086  No.12030768

>>12030745

Great post, it glows.


6e3d3b  No.12031843

File: aafead520a32b59⋯.jpg (117.79 KB, 640x480, 4:3, QR-codes.jpg)

>>12030745

Could you point us to which of those programs are trying to accomplish the same thing (SSL cert-verified session recording)?

>>12020341

To extend an idea from the OP picture and here, /pol/ could probably make use of sharing their IPNS/IPFS sites via the use of public QR codes. The articles could focus on any topic you like, but a blog for example, focusing mostly on your town/local community and the news/issues more relevant to them would be a more amicable place to start. And you could always drop a few more leads a bit further into the rabbit hole throughout the articles ("why is the industry in my town so dead?" "I didn't know income inequality here was so high" "what's with all the crime?").


407944  No.12034741

>>12031843

Public-private key cryptography is only used to verify the server and to transfer a symmetric key which is used to encrypt the actual content. Considering that the client has this symmetric key it should be easy for someone to forge the actual content of the response and put it in an archive.

That is unless the server uses something like this http s://github. com/WICG/webpackage/tree/master/go/signedexchange .


9d3086  No.12036169

>>12034741

Thank you, this is the kind of response I was after.

So basically, content is encrypted (with symmetric key) and not signed, what we're trying to do here probably is not possible. Do you know of any plans to incorporate "content signing" (or whatever name it might be called) into the HTTPS protocol asides from the PoC link you gave?

I don't imagine many sites would opt to implement this as it would probably only ever implicate them.

Can you think of any other alternatives to this problem?


407944  No.12037788

>>12036169

A trusted archiving/mirroring website could implement content signing. Then anyone could download this signed copy in case the original mirror was taken down.

Or we could false flag them into submission while at the same time implementing content signing at our sites, such as 8chan, to prevent them from doing the same.


02d7cb  No.12043064

torsocks ipfs init

yay or nay?


404265  No.12044376

>>12020205

It does not replace TCP/IP but http.

IP is just the addressing/packet transmission service and not cause of the problems mentioned above.

So no need to replace it.


6e3d3b  No.12045005

File: b80a47f81a45b34⋯.webm (1.69 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, wtf i love bernie now.webm)

>>12036169

>I don't imagine many sites would opt to implement this as it would probably only ever implicate them.

An excellent point.

>>12037788

>Or we could false flag them into submission while at the same time implementing content signing at our sites, such as 8chan, to prevent them from doing the same.

An excellent solution. My one worry would be that they would use that to downplay the authenticity of the archives we already have, but that may be remedied if we make sure that the services we create are notably separate from the authentic ones we like to use right now, as well as putting a lot of emphasis onto the 'session' factor of falsehood (something that would require a session to actually load, but not fake - like an old Instagram photo or a private message from someone on a signed-in account).

>>12043064

Tor is ultimately not even close to infallible, and it seems to have slipped by everyone that the entirety of the network is being supported by a mere 1000 exit nodes, if that.

https://metrics.torproject.org/relayflags.html?start=2016-05-15&end=2018-08-22&flag=Exit

Fortunately for us, Tor is not the alpha and omega of onion routing.

>>12044376

>It does not replace TCP/IP but http

Of course. It's a separate level of abstraction entirely to TCP/IP. But, if I'm understanding the white paper right, it also does not depend on TCP entirely for generating node identities and routing them (ie, it is interchangeable, if such a solution were to appear - much like it is with HTTP).


ddadea  No.12058497

File: 10c901514bebadc⋯.png (53 KB, 673x353, 673:353, routing.png)

File: 803d5053c7f713e⋯.png (22.18 KB, 780x379, 780:379, NDN_Architecture_Stack.png)

>>12044376

>>12045005

Adding to this,

The potential for modularity seems to be important to Protocol Labs. A DHT is also not necessary for IPFS' routing interface (static hash tables or databases can be used instead) and block exchange strategies can be altered by any node.

The problems with IP parallel those with HTTP, only instead of reliance on domain registrars and Cloudflare, you are at the whims of IANA, your ISP and giant telecommunications providers like CenturyLink and Verizon - even stronger monopolies. Infrastructure is also a physical matter, and bound even more tightly to jurisdiction than the abstract software used for routing. PL anticipated these worries, and constructed IPFS with Named Data Networking (and the death of IP) in mind - where, like their content-addressed file system, content chunks (or blocks) are central to the network.

Likewise, the benefits gained from transitioning are also the same - lower congestion, freedom to publish and ability to serve data widely, restoring anonymity, and so on. That the frontrunners of this research are the NSF makes one wonder how that might benefit them.


9c2e08  No.12075285

bamperino


db95ad  No.12078427

File: 9f6ea7bb3993862⋯.jpg (37.61 KB, 550x575, 22:23, born_do_shitbost.jpg)

IPFS is shit. From what I can tell, it stores content on your HDD. That's a big NOPE for me right there. Storing darkweb content on your HDD is a BAD FUCKING IDEA.

I2P is secure, easy to set up, and works more like the internet we already know and love.


6e7432  No.12078442

>>12078427

Has the fact I2P runs on a Java VM been addressed yet? That sounds shady as fuck itself.


2b959e  No.12078648

Told you this was the future.

I said it a year ago, and you losers called me a nigger.

Channel upon channel of encryption, where no one can read into anyone else’s channel without the proper keys.

You’re nerd food goons.


2b959e  No.12078656

>>12078427

Shits not secure, read slashdot nigger.


9852d6  No.12079344

>>12021514

Of course they still were jews anon…. They are called something else back then.


7a3a64  No.12079571

>>12030768

No, (((you))) are the one who want to make another software stack. Do it then.

>HTTPS request/response has not been tampered.

https://security.stackexchange.com/a/37710

Trivial As Fuck

>>12031843

>which of those programs are trying to accomplish the same thing (SSL cert-verified session recording)

I am saying he is trying to dodge the whole WARC system without proposing an alternative.

SSL cert-verified session recording is basically air-tight (unless your browser is fucked with MITM or cert-editing)

This has made good note about the issue >>12034741

>>12045005

Good post. Basically all archives are mutable by definition under the current system. If we are archiving our enemies' websites the only credibility that we would have are "word of mouth".

>>12058497

Nice.

>>12078427

Now THIS is a glow-in the dark. Unless you seed it it will only be in RAM.

>>12078442

C-implementation is not ready yet, you can test it though


db95ad  No.12079768

File: df230723312305d⋯.jpg (148.21 KB, 1480x959, 1480:959, meanwhile_at_google.jpg)

GOOD LUCK HOSTING A *chan ON IPFS YOU NIGGERS.

IPFS may be ok for storing/sharing data, but IPFS seems to have no indexing, so good luck finding anything on it unless someone hands you a fucking link to their site/files.

However;

I2P does torrents within the I2P network for storing/sharing data.

I2P does actual dynamic websites, and is home to several *chans. (IPFS seems geared towards static content, and "smugboard" seems merely to be a workaround)

I2P also has IRC.

The internal addressbook of I2P lists all sites known to your I2P router, and the "eepstatus" site on I2P shows you all the new and otherwise unknown sites.


5c78fa  No.12079831

File: 06512b1a75bcc3e⋯.jpg (64.4 KB, 599x546, 599:546, 1468243981061.jpg)

>>12079768

>*chans


7f87dd  No.12079887

>>12020142

Not to shit on IPFS, but if you don't feel like using a command line tool or instaling a billion programs, there's also Freenet, which is basically the same thing and works all from within your browser. It has plugins for forums and a Facebook-like social network, too.


e39db0  No.12079956

>>12079768

Once Urbit has matured it'd be a great way for anons to host images, videos, etc. I've been thinking about creating an Urchan for the platform, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it.


0bca9c  No.12082249

File: 08cd1cd1b6e1804⋯.png (222.68 KB, 1565x828, 1565:828, screenFetch-2018-06-15_04-….png)

>>12078427

>>12079768

You can only repeat misconceptions here and in other threads so many times before your bad faith starts to shine through.

>>12078607

Yes, I presume he's talking about the Bitswap exchange I briefly mentioned here >>12020251 , which fetches blocks for other peers to encourage them to seek your desired content in return. Not only does the IPFS daemon need to be running for this (which isn't necessary if you just want to fetch content), but these blocks are also stored in non-persistent RAM caches. And like you said, you only store on your HDD what you choose to download.

>>12079571

>I am saying he is trying to dodge the whole WARC system without proposing an alternative

Ah, I see the misunderstanding then. If my slim understanding of WARC is right (which I am just gleaning from looking over the initial ISO draft), then with it being merely formatting focused, I doubt there would be any restriction on keeping session data too, with little or (hopefully) no modification to the standard. If basic JS functions can already be used through Wayback Machine captures, then it should be possible to capture asynchronous data too, right?

http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf

>>12079675

>>12079786

Hi anon, how is it coming along so far? I've never gotten as far as running it myself.

Also, why JS over Go?

>>12079887

Regarding the OP pic, MDwiki was included as a very simple proof of concept for generating elegant-looking HTML pages without needing any knowledge of HTML. IPFS itself suffices for fetching content, but I'm more concerned specifically with what we can build on top of it.

I do not know how Freenet handles addressing, but I don't know of anywhere the deduplication, versioning and routing versatility of IPFS is mirrored within Freenet.


a7abd9  No.12082332

>>12020205

>it isn't dependent on any particular host

>Nor does it depend on domain name severs

>modified DHT

they could shoah the DHT at multiple levels


a7abd9  No.12082333

>>12082332

(((they)))


0bca9c  No.12082640

>>12082332

>>12082333

Checked, and please elaborate.


6e3d3b  No.12084512

File: 2380d89131420a5⋯.png (25.69 KB, 790x100, 79:10, COINTELPRO.png)


6e3d3b  No.12084870

>>12084517

>>12084527

Recently I finished the 'abstract' outline of my project, and entered the long-haul design phase. I've been studying the IPFS spec and some third party libraries (and other docs) as part of that, but haven't yet gotten to any 'compiling' stage.

https://docs.ipfs.io/guides/concepts/mfs/

https://cluster.ipfs.io/

https://github.com/ipfs/papers/raw/master/ipfs-cap2pfs/ipfs-p2p-file-system.pdf

https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs

https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard

https://flyingzumwalt.gitbooks.io/decentralized-web-primer/content/

https://ipfs.io/docs/examples/example-viewer/example#../api/service/readme.md

https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/48

And for anyone looking to work with the default Go implementation:

>>>/pdfs/10048


4a5dde  No.12088181

>>12084517

Steemit and IPFS+ETH is for monetary rewards, otherwise IPFS is just a global-tracker with hashes for all files and folders.

>>12082332

It's FOSS, so it can't be shoahed.

>>12079887

You never tried https://orion.siderus.io ?

>>12079956

Very hopeful that Urbit will work.

>>12082249

>Ah, I see the misunderstanding then. If my slim understanding of WARC is right (which I am just gleaning from looking over the initial ISO draft), then with it being merely formatting focused, I doubt there would be any restriction on keeping session data too, with little or (hopefully) no modification to the standard. If basic JS functions can already be used through Wayback Machine captures, then it should be possible to capture asynchronous data too, right?

Not too sure as these things are the kind of stuff that archive.fo others won't show you. We need to do more research on that.

Also instead of Freenet you can try Retroshare like those degenerates in >>>/hypno/41015


7e521a  No.12088721

File: aead7b33eb2ea92⋯.png (117.14 KB, 1600x2600, 8:13, how-to-screenshot-or8.png)

sort of related, after you screen shot with firefox


0bca9c  No.12111524

File: e719d7d7fc2eae6⋯.jpg (96.01 KB, 800x465, 160:93, Dj0EcDZV4AAfJYT.jpg)

>>12079956

>>12088181

I've just glossed over some Urbit & Retroshare material.

The idea of Urbit's limited addresses (and the early sale of them) concern me a little, but it seems like a very interesting concept nonetheless. I've noticed it was founded by a 'neoreactionary' figure (Curtis Yarvin) and backed by Thiel too, to give some possible political context to their motive (a "digital republic", with Roman-style governance). That said, it's workings are generally quite vague, unless you can bother to sift through the 57-page paper. So I can't say much right now.

RetroShare seems simple enough from an end-user point if you aren't looking for any demanding or specialised service. Probably works quite well as a messenger.


b79db3  No.12111563

>>12084512

>>12082640

different anon, but look up sybil attack for an idea on how DHTs and nodes can be manipulated

while IPFS is promising, it still does not directly solve this problem, it only makes it harder to pull off. in their own words:

"Nodes are identified by a NodeId, the cryptographic hash of a public-key, created with S/Kademlia’s static crypto puzzle. Nodes store their public and private keys (encrypted with a passphrase). Users are free to instatiate a “new” node identity on every launch, though that loses accrued networkbenefits. Nodes are incentivized to remain the same."

tl;dr it's secure but not bulletproof


4a5dde  No.12117818

>>12111524

>>12111563

Any progress/ideas?


21b6c6  No.12118384

>>12078427

Plausible deniability, IPFS is part of the future. Not just darkweb things. It is all thing distributed. True, it is not for everyone because it will eat bandwidth and in some cases requires lots of space. Best practices requires a stand along box for IPFS work. Never on your own day to day PC.


ddadea  No.12125104

File: 78bc453dc5de69f⋯.png (129.65 KB, 674x500, 337:250, 1488661589352.png)

>>12111563

I feel like that anon was talking in a much broader scale - like a simple killswitch for the whole routing system - and implying that was a reason for avoiding it, as if there is currently any better alternative before NDN comes around. And I also still doubt he was being earnest in his reply.

You do have a point about possible sybil attacks, though. One of the parts of the paper that I questioned was why some kind of signing wasn't inherent to ID generation, especially considering a PKI was already present. Fortunately, that has little, if any effect on quickly verifying IPFS blocks themselves after downloading, and if need be, any application built on top of the protocol could include such a solution.

>>12117818

All of the facilities needed to publish files through IPFS currently exist. Indexes for these however, are scarce. So start to create archives, or index files that have already been published. I mentioned one possible application of this here:

>>>/pdfs/10048

in being able to mirror the board's uploads (the thread was stickied not long after that, so it seems there is some interest there). But go further than literature. Publish your /pol/ folder. Convince a YouTube channel to mirror all of their content, or even do it yourself. Create a blog about self-sufficiency. Anything that people will find valuable enough to at least pay attention to.


ddadea  No.12125342

>>12125104

Wrong /pdfs/ link

>>>/pdfs/10049


786212  No.12139674

Abandoning static private webpages was a mistake


77e3e8  No.12140445

>>12139674

No, you are


18336f  No.12167079

>>12125104

Who wants to Orbit-DB everything? Or a search engine?


0bca9c  No.12188181

File: 4d24f5f1a6de997⋯.jpg (327.49 KB, 1354x700, 677:350, cvd-banner.jpg)

>>12082249

A correction here regarding BitSwap: I was getting my info from the white paper which apparently is several years out of date. A dev has recently told me that block-fetching for other nodes hasn't actually been implemented at all, and perhaps because of the legal tensions that it could cause, is unlikely to be added in the future. The blocks that you request are only the ones that you are seeking yourself, and the ones you serve are only the ones you already have in your repo (on your HDD).

>>12167079

There is actually an existing search engine, though documentation is quite light:

https://ipfs-search.com/

https://github.com/ipfs-search

I've wondered how well Orbit might fare as an IRC equivalent, but haven't really looked into it.


102d34  No.12188206

>>12188181

>make yourself impossible to identify by face recognition

>by making yourself easily recognisable in every other way


1d689a  No.12188371

Bump


2e064c  No.12188400

The major weakness in all of these systems is illegal content (CP) and copyright infringement. Both of these can be used arbitrarily to shut down opposition. Any legal proceedings for possession of these materials will be a show trial run by clowns.

I am developing a human-like object detector which can serve as an API that can flag any image that resembles humans in the slightest bit to get around the CP problem.


1dd02c  No.12188454

So instead of hosting my own stuff on my own hardware that I pay for, I'm just going to upload stuff to the "cloud" and then hope that whoever else is running this IPFS thing (out of the goodness of his heart) is going to have adequate resources and the will to keep my stuff online. Obviously you can see that this is communist retard shit and it won't work for anything beyond little hobby sites. No one is actually going to use (((IPFS))) for anything serious and so it is retarded. sage.


729bb0  No.12188485

>>12020297

I get really lost in any network/computer thread, can anyone suggest me a study plan or related books in this subject? Thanks.


7757c8  No.12188757

>>12188181

Is that facial recognition using dlib or mt?


6bc55a  No.12188770

>>12188400

>The major weakness in all of these systems is illegal content (CP) and copyright infringement.

Yep. If it doesn't already exist because of some sick cunt who wants to abuse the beauty of freedom, they'll just fucking plant it. You need to be extremely pro-active in removing it and immunizing against it.

Copyright infringement can get fucked, though.


0bca9c  No.12189054

File: 6bf2a869ccac1f3⋯.jpg (119.75 KB, 700x985, 140:197, Kabul.jpg)

>>12188206

Alternatively, vantablackface.

>>12188400

>>12188568

>>12188770

IPFS is not a blockchain. Like I explained above, there is no unwitting hosting of content you do not explicitly request. If there was any precedent to go after IPFS in general (which would already be quite difficult) for CP existing on the network, there would also be a precedent to take down all HTTP services.

Filecoin is a blockchain that provides storage for anyone willing to pay (and payouts for anyone willing to host), but that isn't intrinsically tied to IPFS.

>>12188454

>So instead of hosting my own stuff on my own hardware that I pay for,

There is nothing to stop you from doing that. Please try harder.

>>12188485

For IPFS? It's a very new program, and still hasn't been officially released yet. But the white paper covers most of the existing concepts and the dev team on freenode IRC (#ipfs) can help you with the rest.

If you want to learn Golang, the language that the main IPFS implementation is written in, I've linked a book uploaded on /pdfs/ here >>12125342

If you're looking for resources on networking in general, I believe CISCO has published a lot in that area.


fbe24b  No.12189776

File: 63351e6a320b4f3⋯.png (125.74 KB, 277x391, 277:391, 63351e6a320b4f3f45006b5b82….png)

File: 0e0cb6ea3e2ae49⋯.png (880.68 KB, 800x1124, 200:281, 0e0cb6ea3e2ae493b63e8e0c0b….png)

File: 77941f1bb9e2770⋯.jpg (51.71 KB, 450x338, 225:169, 77941f1bb9e277060710e8a97a….jpg)

>>12020297

despite the shill attack, you're on the right track here. We can argue the merits of free speech after we have a viable platform to protect it. I have known in my bones that censorship is wrong my entire life. Nobody had to point it out.

The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

Young one, listen to me. Communication as we know it is under attack. You already can't tell if I'm a bot, shill, or neckbeard. Everything we know as the internet must be decentralized. Do not trust the cloud, do not run on Azure, AWS. Do not run docker containers. Think TempleOS, not OSX. You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen. Go.


8298b4  No.12190451

>>12188770

>>12188400

CP bombing => degeneracy bombing

>>12111563

>>12125104

Any secondary backup plans with Torrents, Retroshare and Sia/Storj?


8298b4  No.12190457

>>12079768

Remember that OpenBazaar has I2P and TOR support.


2e064c  No.12190464

>>12026519

>>For example, with an extension we could, theoretically, click Record, go to Instagram, scroll down and store items that required dynamic interaction with that particular page

Already possible using automated tools for many years such as Selenium web driver


2e064c  No.12190475

File: 831d4fd85349cfc⋯.jpg (9.97 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 1492398226224.jpg)

>>12188770

>because of some sick cunt who wants to abuse the beauty of freedom, they'll just fucking plant it


c57451  No.12192769

File: 001825b0d29ee2b⋯.png (125.82 KB, 277x391, 277:391, 001825b0d29ee2b0563e5fdde3….png)

File: 94e4337b206f6c4⋯.jpg (51.68 KB, 450x338, 225:169, 7HTqMtOueD7o.jpg)

File: 80b14b3333fadf3⋯.png (881.22 KB, 800x1124, 200:281, 80b14b3333fadf380d25986bc6….png)

>>12020297

despite the shill attack, you're on the right track here. We can argue the merits of free speech after we have a viable platform to protect it. I have known in my bones that censorship is wrong my entire life. Nobody had to point it out.

The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

Young one, listen to me. Communication as we know it is under attack. You already can't tell if I'm a bot, shill, or neckbeard. Everything we know as the internet must be decentralized. Do not trust the cloud, do not run on Azure, AWS. Do not run docker containers. Think TempleOS, not OSX. You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen. Go.>>12020297

<reposting this as it got shoa'd the first time I posted it.


57ff0a  No.12192842

>>12020142

My question is, can we make an IPFS server to host all content on the network, as it is today, as a localized cache / seed machine, for the network, and how much storage would it reasonably require to run it?

The whole internet hasn't been archived yet, so I am assuming that IPFS has a rather small footprint of available data, right now.

There again, assume makes an ass out of you and me.

But, still, can dedicated, IPFS systems be setup to use as host for the network, and download the content locally for seeding, or reading by the end user? Last time I played with it, it worked well, for hosting and archiving your own shit, but didn't really have an "easy" way to access the content of others, like a "Jewgoole" type search engine for content already stored.


963bf4  No.12192948

>>12189776

>The arms race has gotten bad. For those of us who remember dialing into the local BBS, Usenet and the like, this is truly dark times. IPFS has its problems, but they won't get fixed without work. It is the next step. Do not wait for some blue haired faggots from the bay area to develop your savior. They are on the wrong side of history with their Teslas and VC provided lunches. Most of them do not remember the time when the net and the web were separate ideas. They think the whole internet runs on TCP port 80.

>

>If you're reading this and you know what I'm talking about, you are now the tribal elder. You must paint the cave wall showing the buffalo hunt to inspire the youth. Old timers bitching about parity settings and baud rate will not save us.

The first thing I ever downloaded from a BBS was "The Complete Guide to Bestiality and Necro-Beastiality." (muh edge)

Then I found 2600 and PHRACK. (2600/HOPE is pozzed now sadly, they were triggered by a MAGA hate this year.)


963bf4  No.12192959

>>12189776

>>12192948

http://www.textfiles.com/history/

>The purpose of the history section is for people who lived through the "Golden Age" of BBSes to write about their experience. They can write about it from the point of view of someone looking back, or they can try to recreate the feelings they had when they went through it in childhood (or early adulthood).


934451  No.12212283

New Kid On The Block: Beaker Browser's DAT

https://github.com/datprotocol


934451  No.12212299

>>12192842

Ask BibAnon https://wiki.bibanon.org/Main_Page

Or better yet http://inclibuql666c5c4.onion/ or inclib.i2p


c6b7f3  No.12212328

bump


ddadea  No.12228203

File: d82a1d70c4f8eda⋯.jpg (633.58 KB, 1292x1173, 76:69, 1475331182758.jpg)

>>12189776

>>12192769

>You need to get bits from point A to point B when a significant part of the world doesn't want that to happen

That becomes far easier when point B is your next-door neighbour.

>>12190451

>Any secondary backup plans with Torrents, Retroshare and Sia/Storj?

Not on my end. The reason I have been focusing on IPFS is because of the far greater malleability and wealth of features when compared with torrents. Private torrent sites are some of the most carefully curated libraries we have, yet the necessity of using a tracker is what holds them far back from their potential. They're "decentralised" until they get taken down and that content needs to be rehosted.

>>12190464

I'm not very familiar with it, but it seems to miss the most critical point anon was getting at - the possibility of assuring the authenticity of what is loaded via the host itself (in his example, through a TLS cert).

>>12192842

>My question is, can we make an IPFS server to host all content on the network

No. Both fortunately and unfortunately, the use-case for the filesystem has already stretched far beyond what anybody without a datacentre would find it viable to mirror. This being one example:

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/addressing-petabytes-of-genetic-data-with-ipfs/1471

With archive.org also pursuing their own rehosting project.

Systems for 'pinning' (seeding) by request do exist though, as well as HTTP gateways that often pin smaller files for some time. I believe (think) that things that you snatch through "ipfs add" are also pinned automatically, or at least kept in your cache for a little while.

I did mention a nascent search engine here >>12188181 , whose devs are still trying to work out how to best keep it secure (in terms of verifying returned content). It's a good step in the right direction, though the real end goal (in my view) would of course be the move away from websites entirely, and future 'browser' integration with such libraries.

>>12192948

>2600

I was trying to remember the name of that, thanks.

>>12212283

Beaker is something I briefly took a look at, but never paid too much mind to because of the reasons above for not using BitTorrent. But anyone pushing content-addressed links over the HTTP status quo is doing well by me.


69b4a4  No.12232191

here's a way to start playing around with ipfs now: https://orion.siderus.io/


8ec59c  No.12235997

Glad this thread is still around.

>>12079571

>https://security.stackexchange.com/a/37710

You miss my point. My point is that although I can prove that the response I AM getting is authentic from a particular server, if I then wish to send that response to a third-party, I do not believe it is possible for them to verify that it is authentic (i.e. that I have not tampered with it prior to sending to this third-party IPFS in this case). I would be glad to be proven wrong here.

>>12212283

Can you give a TLDR rundown of what this is and what benefits it would have over IPFS. This is the first I've heard of this.


d80675  No.12255399

>>12235997

>>12228203

See https://docs.datproject.org/intro and https://docs.datproject.org/install


8eeccf  No.12269622

>>12255399

>https://docs.datproject.org/intro

Thank you - but I don't yet see the advantage of Dat over IPFS.

Personally, I'm a little bit averse to it currently as I worry it'll fragment users into both camps, meaning I have to install more shit. Can you summarize why Dat over IPFS (or vice-versa)?


3754dc  No.12269715

>>12020205

listen, I get ipfs is a thing

so is i2p

best to have options

also, you niggers need to start looking into data hoarding

get a shit box that can hold a bunch of disks, install freenas and learn how to leverage zfs

even if they're offline and local, archiving the shit out of everything is not a bad idea

check out the archive team wiki, and learn their ways

https://www.ar c hiv eteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

no doubt they are poz'd but having a little organization, al be it decentralized would really assist in what it is we're trying to do here


3754dc  No.12269722

>>12020368

itty bitty sites is fucking stupid, why would I send content that can logged and is not encrypted


41b8be  No.12280163

>>12020142

this exposes your IP address to everybody looking at your site


934451  No.12286199

>>12269715

>>12269767

Don't forget ZFS for drive failures.

>>12280163

That is how IPFS and BitTorrent works (unless you do TOR/I2P routing)


1f338e  No.12286526

File: a0d822de7edd507⋯.jpg (32.83 KB, 400x300, 4:3, nazi reader.jpg)

>>12269767

You should stop doing weed and read enough about computers to be able to articulate questions, at least. I mean you're using TOR, you should know better. Grab a book or watch videos about general computer subjects like "what is TCP/IP", "what is a blockchain", "what is a distributed hash table", etc


ec2035  No.12288401

File: c3c2724d9671349⋯.jpg (195.69 KB, 1600x976, 100:61, 0_vDF3h6bfp-Ir3F8g.jpg)


ec2035  No.12288406

File: b1295879c4ed939⋯.png (121.16 KB, 1401x955, 1401:955, 0_KcQ-Ezvwk6U0ZC0w_.png)

>>12286526

also this


ec2035  No.12288410

File: 0599c842832b434⋯.jpg (8.81 KB, 300x168, 25:14, images (1).jpg)

>>12286526

and this


ddadea  No.12314238

File: b10093aa9cce9c6⋯.png (433.72 KB, 1241x800, 1241:800, how_to_archive.png)

>>12232191

Orion is an excellent example of an early foray into the protocol and a glimpse of the potential it holds. When developers start to realise that the vestiges of the WWW centralisation do not need to be hung onto at all however, then we can take that progress even further and start to consider user-made indexes.

>>12235997

Transport security really falls outside my realm of expertise, but with there being a public key component of a certificate, shouldn't one be able to use the encrypted form of the content returned (and maybe a session key) to verify the integrity of that? I have no idea how this might change for asynchronous content, though.

>>12255399

>>12269622

I opted for IPFS because of simplicity, deduplication, routing flexibility, and mutable names. Things like the Merkle DAG and versioning concepts that also exist are excellent advantages too, and I see little in the way of Dat competing with that. But like I said, don't let that deter you from experimenting with it too.

>>12269715

I'll give it a read.

>>12269767

Yes, you're probably thinking of web scrapers, that are already widely in use, and an outdated mirror of Wikipedia actually exists already on IPFS, there just hasn't been a lot of motivation in maintaining it.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/

>>12280163

False, it exposes your IP address to everybody seeding your site.


0bca9c  No.12344727

File: d4fd151cae41ea7⋯.png (509.76 KB, 643x412, 643:412, XV2fcch.png)

>first time I've needed to bump this thread in 2 1/2 months

Here are a few links to consider:

https://www.wired.com/story/google-wants-to-kill-the-url/

https://www.eff.org/free-speech-weak-link

http://cid-utils.ipfs.team/

https://www.sandvine.com/press-releases/blog/sandvine-over-70-of-north-american-traffic-is-now-streaming-video-and-audio

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/netflix-researching-large-scale-peer-to-peer-technology-for-streaming/

http://node2.e-mesh.net/tv2/

https://github.com/giorgisio/goav

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/building-a-new-tor-that-withstands-next-generation-state-surveillance/

https://github.com/OpenBazaar/go-onion-transport

https://github.com/ipfs-search/ipfs-search

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-undersea-internet-cables/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZMoY3q2uM


cd13ec  No.12345317

>>12314238

Everything that isn't BUILT ON TOR is garbage. Built on, built for it. If it requires configuration modification, it's trash.


934451  No.12359302

>>12345317

TOR is a honeypot by antifa.


ba7455  No.12359314

>>12020274

>too dumb to understand ipfs

we dont need you in our ranks


934451  No.12384365

>>12359314

no/tech/ fags should not be in charge of >>>/pdfs/ (or at least torrents)


a8f6f9  No.12411700

ITT: Use IPFS, TOR and/or I2P to share posters and redpill images

Repo for the "Permanent Booru": https://github.com/Kycklingar/PBooru

Existing instances: kycklingar.i2p and vsdfdtkr5mh6y33p.onion

What does it do

An image gallery that uses IPFS's P2P function to share images, and for those who want security, use TOR and/or I2P to download images directly.

What is it good for

Make sure that files will never get lost as long as someone is mirroring/seeding it, which insures sustainability beyond MEGA and other "centralized file sharing sites"

Why the fuck should I care?

>>>/pdfs/ and >>>/eternalarchive/ have reference on massive data stores being wiped out, better be safe than sorry

See: https://ipfs.io and https://orion.siderus.io/

To those who don't understand what a "running instance" is, that is that we in /tech/ call an "example website". Yes, I know the original TOR/I2P instance is pozzed, but the source code is out there for us to make another for /pol/ and only /pol/.

> So is IPFS similar to Freenet and I2P? I've had some success using Freenet, but it's dead, not a single page has been updated since October 2015. Never really got I2P running.

IPFS is to BitTorrent like I2P and Freenet is to TOR

> When shtf or they keep overreaching with their deplatforming and censorship IPFS is phenomenal, given you have a node running

Remember to run IPFS over I2P or TOR, this repo did it successfully https://github.com/OpenBazaar


837bc1  No.12421372

>>12411700

bump for support


000000  No.12421391

Anyone interested in anonymity and cancer-free software should take a look at Nanochan.

>no javascript

>image uploads through tor

>no clearnet access

>uncucked mods

>only 2,000 lines of code for nanochan vs. 100,000 lines for 8chode

>less lines of code means less bugs

Smugboard is a nice concept but it's written in Javashit and seems to be a thoroughly dead project although it has many bugs still.

http://nanochanxv2lxnqi.onion/nano/pol/


837bc1  No.12421394

>>12421391

> Nanochan a site without source code

> No IPFS/Torrent for spreading propaganda posters

> Just a TOR site that feels like a honeypot

Okay


000000  No.12421396

>>12421394

>site without source code

http://nanochanxv2lxnqi.onion/source.lua

>Muh honeypot

<implying 8chode isn't a honeypot


821147  No.12434246

>>12421396

> Not on clearnet

Yeah it is a CIANigger alright


6d31e9  No.12435501

>>12434246

But clearnet sites would be able to see your IP anyways anon


a0da96  No.12446274

>>12435501

Either take one for the team and use IPFS or just I2P, NEVER use the TORah


0bca9c  No.12466209

File: 067e45f229515a4⋯.png (131.9 KB, 1876x781, 1876:781, wikileaks and the blockcha….png)

File: e02b41f6b06beb7⋯.jpg (41.04 KB, 704x704, 1:1, 10-20-2016.jpg)

>>12345317

Tor zealotry on /pol/ is a curious thing indeed.

Consider for a start, that the entirety of the Tor network is supported by an amount of servers that could be stored in a single cabinet of a colocation centre.

What are the security implications of this?

What are the kind of expectations, budgetary or otherwise, that an individual or group will have in setting up enough entry and exit nodes to render traffic correlation on the network by malicious actors infeasible?

Who has been involved with funding and operating The Tor Project?


6e3d3b  No.12494394

File: d49cd67638cd6da⋯.png (473.57 KB, 720x2000, 9:25, blogs3.png)

I think activity ITT may have petered out too much to warrant continued bumping, but it's certainly lasted longer than I expected. Since August, we've seen the ineffectuality of HTTP web services like Gab and BitChute in annihilating censorship, and the necessity of distributed user indexing to overtake them. When the trifecta of self-empowered publishing, commerce and shared processing technologies come to terms with what is needed to catalyse the spread of their hard work, the game is going to start shifting very rapidly.

Here is perhaps the final revision of the OP pic, where either I mistakenly added the 'ipfs daemon' instruction too late into the guide, or it wasn't necessary at the time (ie an update changed it).


8ef04e  No.12495455

Look at beaker browser


821147  No.12523202

File: d3c9313734eb92d⋯.png (1.47 MB, 1000x1600, 5:8, this-is-what-a-rr.png)

> TOR

IPFS+I2P all the way


00b96f  No.12555962

bjump


000000  No.12564641

1

>>12030527

>>12026519

>>12025600

>Bearing in mind that I haven't really looked at HTTPS security in a few years, and that I'm still getting caught up on this thread

It used to be (and I would wager still is) that many implementations of HTTPS servers have the option to use outdated and completely broken protocols, presumably to support clients who surf the webbernets on their Altair 8800s. Tbe case may be that these insecure protocols are still capable of authenticating the source. Even if this isn't the case, they still prove valuable for research, and sometimes even leak information about the other protocols in use.

Alternatively, or additionally:

>Decentralize the authentication

Have individuals, manually or via scripts, verify the page's content and sign the archived version or submit the diff of their version vs the official. Could also be used to highlight sites which provide different pages to different countries, and to reveal the changes/redactions the sites try to make without the goyim noticing. Skiddieify it enough and you might even get goys interested in archiving things.

Also make sure you include whatever you can about the issuance of the keys etc., lest the CA servers decide to drink bleach to the back of the head. There was also a defcon presentation a year or two ago that went over MitMing one's self for the purpose of detecting whether or not sites were bad actors silently serving alternative data to targeted clients, I believe it may have been done to detect playstation network scheistery, but I think it might be of use in counter-anti-archiving operations by making it more difficult for a site to discern whether you're a scraping bot or a genuine reader; basically, it was browser version spoofing cranked to 11.

On a tangential note, is anyone else familiar with neoscoin? It's a rather promising crypto project that's intended for publishing all forms of digital content, including webpage hosting; anything that can be done using traditional servers and web browsers can instead be implemented on the blockchain. Official release is still a ways out, but there's a reason everyone who has neos is hodl for dear life


6e3d3b  No.12594030

File: 4b8090d87a4efd4⋯.png (33.64 KB, 530x250, 53:25, sandvine-global-internet-p….png)

>We've hit the 4 month mark

I'm glad to see that some of the priorities of /pol/ are where they should be. And that even most of the bad actors do not try to derail this thread, since such attempts would be (& have been) so glaringly obvious to us.

Merry Christmas, all.

>>12564641

>>Decentralize the authentication

>Skiddieify it enough and you might even get goys interested in archiving things

These are 2 extremely keen points that have been quite understated in here so far.

There are 2 wonderful aspects of IPFS that I favour, namely their content hashing (or 'CID's) and their implementation of self-certifying filesystems. By always ensuring that A, the content you are requesting is certainly the one you will fetch, and B, the peer you are connected with is the one who is issuing the data, it opens the doors for precisely the kind of distributed archival you outlined above. Perhaps if SSL-based authentication by itself is not possible, and not likely to be implemented by any significant change to the protocol or those who use it, we may find it best to rely on an aggregate of libp2p-generated IDs that are tied to the pages we have archived along with some derived levels of 'trust', in the style of a dark net market. And if the SSL method is possible, then a mixed solution would be ideal. And of course, the only real path to wide adoption would be to gear it towards the layman - once again, something that should bear a lot of our thought.

I am not aware of neoscoin. Like people have already pointed out ITT though, the obvious security concerns with allowing arbitrary data to be written to a blockchain, and recovered, especially with ease, might be somewhat of an impedance to things. Is there any way that neoscoin has considered of addressing that?


347f2b  No.12594211

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12020142

They will never silence the Spirit of Truth again. Grandjest soon, brothers.


0bca9c  No.12615197

File: b511323d56f8b04⋯.png (1.44 MB, 698x1024, 349:512, Screen_Shot_2018-10-28_at_….png)

>>12594211

Too bad about all of those corporations that depend on holding the sole keys to the transmission of their material in order to survive. btw that's most of them

Exciting times ahead indeed.


b293bd  No.12615628

File: d8ed21bfb207ad9⋯.gif (486.97 KB, 1000x2273, 1000:2273, 1444349041944.gif)

bumpo


5fb246  No.12625761

>>12594030

I don't know that off hand, but the lead dev is mind-bogglingly crafty, and has worked as a independent contractor problem solving for quite a few big-name coin projects. I could ask him, but I don't really understand the problems yet, at least not as clearly that you seem to. Given the project's goals and community driven ambition, I'd wager heavily that these concerns have been accounted for, but if not, I know they'd be interested in discussing the matter with you and incorporating fixes in a future release. Lead dev is Syntaks on irc.freenode.net/neoscoin

Additional communication methods can be found on https://neos.sh , but I don't think he's been on twatter etc. for over a year.


ddadea  No.12642808

File: fda775bca0f0de6⋯.png (86.04 KB, 1055x1000, 211:200, ipld-illustration.png)

>>12625761

I'm not really an expert on blockchain technology myself, though I'm aware that having the necessity of downloading data that anybody can write can easily throw the possession of such data into very sketchy legal territory.

https://www.wired.com/story/why-porn-on-the-blockchain-wont-doom-bitcoin/

If this article is anything to go by, there doesn't seem to be any clear precedent for going after download, but I'm sure we're all aware how selectively enforced these kinds of things are.

I'll take a look at it some time though, it sounds like it has a nice amount of potential.

We made it to 2019 too, nice. If I get around to quickly writing up the directions I think we should be taking next, I might post them here. Here's a preview: >>12462629


cdaf7d  No.12655475

>>12642808

> "decentralizing porn will lead to a decentralized internet"

Sad but true, places like BitChute ain't doing better


967ca1  No.12665122

https://github.com/RTradeLtd/Temporal

IPFS through I2P is now a thing!


ddadea  No.12678336

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12655475

BitChute are still banning National Action videos, aren't they?

Are you >>12655491 ? At any rate, what I said in response is relevant. Despite how BitChute, Gab and similar sites have been marketing themselves as part of a technological / political / ethical resistance, the only real change, if any, has come in lightening their infrastructural load to help deliver content. They have made little attempt to depart from the dominant model of the web (see the below pic), merely shifting some obligation of the hosting onto the users.

https://www.eff.org/sites/all/themes/phoenix/weaklink/images/home.png

It is an important step, but still way too ingrained within the current system to actually meet our needs. BitChute may be somewhat 'decentralised' in that they allow users to distribute their videos easily by magnet links, but if any individual or group along this chain (including, apparently, the BitChute staff themselves) decides something is no longer appropriate to share to them, we are back to square one in terms of getting away from the YouTube trap.

I will clarify what I mean when I say 'user indexing' - one could call it distributed / decentralised indexing, or autarkic publishing, the meaning is the same.

For a sizeable majority of the web, content, ie databases, audio / video, news articles and so on, are linked intrinsically to the indexes that hold them, like the actual websites they are being sourced from (and less commonly, the search engines that cache them). So, YouTube.com stores video content, but also indexes all of that same content and it's associated metadata. And, considering the size of the index and the frequency with which people are accessing it, it is unlikely that any 3rd party website will appear any time soon to mirror it. So, if you're looking for videos that YouTube themselves refuse to include in search results (or demotes), you're probably out of luck. Following this, if the YouTube front-end were to go down for a while, there would be very few people able to access the videos until it comes back.

To carry this over to a resource like private BitTorrent trackers, where the nature of the content leads to websites getting targeted frequently and in many ways, each time one of these websites (which serve as indexes, since they do not host the content themselves), is taken down, most of the access to the content goes with it, and the libraries that all of the users have been cataloguing is destroyed, despite the hosting of the content itself being distributed through torrent swarms.

For the sake of redundancy and the preservation of information, I propose that indexes of content themselves become redundant and decentralised. The advantages to the problems I mentioned above are clear, but in addition to that (see >>12670098 >>12462629 and >>12648180 for more), a widespread and dedicated-enough effort of cataloguing could result in a library that would make the Internet Archive blush, without an authority to purge the parts of it that may unsettle them - which would likely form a freer and more level market of ideas as de-platforming individuals or organisations through technical or financial means becomes impossible. It would also probably go far in undoing the Vegas-style programming of Silicon Valley that people are subject to when they spend time using any of these entrenched services.

Content-centric technologies (as opposed to location-centric - IP etc.) like the ones discussed ITT are a necessity for this change. The talk in this video was likely a large inspiration for these protocols, as well as the NSF-fronted research in Named Data Networking. However, we don't need to be using mesh routers right now to start building parallel societies, so to speak. You could collect the author names, titles, and publication dates of PDFs you have downloaded now and make a list of them and their IPFS addresses, without even (necessarily) needing to host the actual content yourself, and start sharing that list around without any costs. You could get friends to do the same, and share each other's indexes / blogs through your own. You could re-host edgy YouTube channels or news articles that are likely to get deleted, or literature or academic papers that more people need to be aware of. It starts from the ground up, so don't be hesitant to find a niche of your interest and creating a catalogue for people to seed. In time, fully-fledged software that will be able to efficiently apply these principles will appear too.


cdaf7d  No.12682656

>>12678336

> https://www.eff.org/sites/all/themes/phoenix/weaklink/images/home.png

good diagram

> Despite how BitChute, Gab and similar sites have been marketing themselves as part of a technological / political / ethical resistance, the only real change, if any, has come in lightening their infrastructural load to help deliver content.

We do need better and easily accessible technology (i.e. normalfag-proof) technology to take off, because

> You could re-host edgy YouTube channels or news articles that are likely to get deleted, or literature or academic papers that more people need to be aware of. It starts from the ground up, so don't be hesitant to find a niche of your interest and creating a catalogue for people to seed. In time, fully-fledged software that will be able to efficiently apply these principles will appear too.

This will never fly if it is too hard

> To carry this over to a resource like private BitTorrent trackers, where the nature of the content leads to websites getting targeted frequently and in many ways, each time one of these websites (which serve as indexes, since they do not host the content themselves), is taken down, most of the access to the content goes with it, and the libraries that all of the users have been cataloguing is destroyed, despite the hosting of the content itself being distributed through torrent swarms.

Which is why IPFS and Dat Protocol exists

The question is not "Can we do it" but "How can we motivate people to move", and the solution is through cryptocurrency (money) and internet celebrities (fame). Dedication like Internet Archive, among other organizations, are not enough to fix the system.


5fe22c  No.12686208

>>12020461

Except zeronet doesn't have CP, have you even used the service before?


5fe22c  No.12686212

File: 80046760271b28e⋯.jpg (94.59 KB, 460x1024, 115:256, 1536826279983.jpg)


9ff217  No.12686343

>>12082332

just save the latest copy on your home system


7bb6a7  No.12690080

>>12686208

Yeah, Zeronet is filled with Chinese people who hates the firewall, go figure


bf2b93  No.12690106

File: 90be817816ca331⋯.png (16.41 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Like_a_White_Man.png)

Whose bright idea was it to make MDwiki incompatible with ColdFusion and a decent SQL Server DB? Code like a white man, faggot.


7bcadd  No.12690110

I'm considering the idea of toying with of the idea creating a wiki article just to see what it's like to do so.


bf2b93  No.12690119

File: 01f905ade2edede⋯.png (483.9 KB, 1605x747, 535:249, Wiki_Edit_1.png)

>>12690110

Fun at first, but the enthusiasm fades quick.


7bcadd  No.12690129

>>12690119

i'm just sick of topics appearing on pol then being forgotten with the info people dug up disappearing.


837bc1  No.12690475

>>12690106

Could you give some context (e.g. github issues) for MDWiki?

>>12690110

>>12690119

Wikipedia is kiked already, your best bet is Metapedia and Rightpedia (dunno about TruthWiki, Citizendium, Conservapedia and Infogpactic).

>>12690129

Make your own wiki.


1220eb  No.12690478

>>12690080

So what


1220eb  No.12690487

>>12020461

There's already a /pol/ on MilliChan(website on zeronet)


837bc1  No.12690499

>>12690478

>>12690487

Zeronet is still pretty bloat, no CP does not mean it is really good, and the development is slow or dead.


5a3b39  No.12690525

File: 6c8091f446c6692⋯.png (102.63 KB, 1600x2600, 8:13, better.png)

>>12088721

Mine's smaller than yours


9b0a99  No.12690587

>>12690499

The development of Zeronet is pretty much finished and all it needs is more users. I agree with your other point


837bc1  No.12694241

>>12690587

> finished

and yet the UI is very unpolished, and the amount of clutter/noise with Zero's sites are just too much (you have to pin the databases you like, which constantly annoys you when you don't for temporary viewing)


ebc2c3  No.12694831

DAILY REMINDER

Use alternate domains for archive.is like archive.fo.

THE .IS DOMAIN IS UNDER ATTACK


40b72b  No.12696938

>>12188454

this. techies might be good at coming up with concepts, but normal people care little for how shit works, only that it must be easy to use. that's why linux never got off the ground, too much crap to fiddle with. not everybody has time for your autistic hobby.


9dd9f1  No.12698019

>>12694241

The UI is fine in my opinion

>the amount of clutter/noise with Zero's sites are just too much

The clutter doesn't bother me that much

>you have to pin the databases you like, which constantly annoys you when you don't for temporary viewing

I haven't experienced the problem you are facing so eh.

I just wish there was a better search engine on ZeroNet.


0bca9c  No.12709203

File: 9b266b05fe0e79a⋯.png (471.97 KB, 2500x5562, 1250:2781, website consolidation.png)

>>12466209

RE: these pictures - >>12657542

Of course, take caution if / when visiting these links.

>>12686212

Here's a better version of that. It seems people worked out that we didn't need a million different avenues to deliver just a few representations of data. But my PC is capable of searching through content, or listing things that may be for sale, or communicating with friends. Yours probably is too. So why do we need those websites?

>>12690106

An anon mentioned some alternative markdown generators here >>12667714 - I came across it myself through another project, and was just messing around when I noticed how easily it could be used to help host things.

>>12690110

>>12690119

If you're like me, you'll only go so long before making a seemingly-innocuous comment to the wrong person in the talk section of an obscure article before they ban you entirely.

+ Starting your own wiki

>>12690475

>e.g. github issues

It's just that - I believe it was intended for documentation and things of that nature.

>>12694831

I can't remember the last time we've gone longer than a couple of days without some sustained downtime or performance issues of some kind, unfortunately.

For the record, WebCite works well for this, too.


0bca9c  No.12709533

File: cec25b89a948fbc⋯.png (21.8 KB, 710x130, 71:13, college textbooks.png)

>>12696938

>>12682656

>normal people care little for how shit works, only that it must be easy to use

yep

>The question is not "Can we do it" but "How can we motivate people to move"

yep

>and the solution is through cryptocurrency (money) and internet celebrities (fame)

Bingo

For the most part, people generally will not care about a technology or even it's broader implications. What concerns us (all of us) more is the immediate consequences we will personally face. A majority of people consume creative or other works generated by a minority of people. Consumers want unhindered access to a lot of content. Creators want to freely publish their work (unhindered), and often, with compensation. The main impeding forces that usually come into play here are terms of service adherence, financial obligations and legislation. These can be further expanded into the issues of censorship, centralisation of content and index hosting, and the problems of attempting to bypass these by developing alternative routes of distribution. This can / will ultimately effect everyone, whether they are apolitical or on the spectrum.

If there is no quantity of content to be accessed, then it will not be accessed, and nobody will seek that same way to access more of it. So this content must be generated in (at least) one of two ways: piracy, and bringing over a heavy amount of people who create these works. It extends well beyond 'e-celebs' - academics, journalists, animators, software developers, all want to be guaranteed that they can publish their efforts without them disappearing in future, without any say in the matter. Their fans will tend to want an unlimited access to whatever they have to say or make, without any worry of censorship. So fully-distributed index and content hosting that the user can easily manage themselves - that is, the potentiality for the users to index and store any content they come upon with zero interruption, is necessary. Likewise, users must also be free to publish their own creations to the network, without interruption. Content-centric technology is ideal for this kind of use case, and also prevents the power of content feed algorithms to steer attention in favour of any particular party.


0bca9c  No.12709536

File: fbe6e63e51c58d7⋯.jpg (67.76 KB, 671x327, 671:327, Dn6pUyyVAAAn4l2.jpg)

>>12709533

>>12696938

>>12682656

Secondly, we shouldn't forget that ways around this censorship already exist in the form of these bare protocols, or obscure services and small-scale file-sharing. People are not using them in a major capacity because these services often ask for too much from them. If they are mere filelocker links (e.g. Mega.nz), this doesn't in-itself help them access any amount of content outside of that. If they contain a lot of content, like private torrent trackers, access is usually restricted to most people and behind a quota for sharing that content back. If the content is there, and it is free, like Soulseek, then it lacks organisation and the intuitiveness needed for most people to bother picking it up in the first place. So familiarity in the new platforms will also be a crucial factor for adoption. This also goes for content management, metadata generation, content sharing (like direct links) and so on. Also, there many be multiple, separate, multi-billion dollar ventures each for sharing music, or movies, or television shows, but that shouldn't imply that there is any technological problem in designing a service that can manage the data or metadata of all of them, and more.

Finally, the financial aspects to this problem are the most crucial. On the location-based web, publishing to a server will require an internet connection. Having a simple point of access to share with others will require a domain, and usually an SSL certificate. Wanting a high throughput and 24/7 access capability to your content requires constant uptime and electricity use. All of these will cost money, and all of these can be strained further by outside parties who aren't a fan of what you are publishing or giving a platform. Cryptocurrencies are an excellent example of a wide potential use case, while generally completely lacking in authority / hierarchy. Naturally, this also makes them difficult, or impossible, to censor. I've also mentioned OpenBazaar several times, which is the closest I've seen to the principles of user indexing in a commercial sphere (it goes to stand that the software was originally developed for darknet markets). Tying in with the above, a publishing solution would be best included with a method of easily transferring funds to creators, or the logical endpoint, transferring funds between any 2 users. Cryptocoin compatibility will be a necessity here, and for the sake of ease of use for people who don't want to take the time to move to using it, an avenue for processing Visa / Mastercard payments (or to cut through yet another potential blockade for free association, SWIFT) will also be desired by perhaps the strong majority of your users.

To summarise, familiar-looking platforms, scalable, cheap and distributed indexing and hosting, and non-centralised payment solutions are the ways forward. Were the dominant market players (Silicon Valley et al.) more aware of this, one would think they would be quickly scrambling to create platforms partly in this vein, like BitChute and Minds have been doing, keeping users satiated enough to not ask too much more and consider moving away. Their ignorance or refusal to do so will be their graves.


0bca9c  No.12709569

>>12709536

>Also, there many be multiple

there may be*


fa6745  No.12710947

Has anybody tried it yet?


99427f  No.12711497

>>12359314

You need all willing able bodied whites you can get your hands on you insufferable faggot, some of us have jobs/wives/school/children and we don't have time to learn every new web development in the fastest growing tech era the world has ever seen, FUCK I hate you elitist fucks sometimes.

The CORE of National Socialism is a happy helping hand toward our brothers for our mutual self improvement and enrichment. We share the load. While you were doing my job learning coding or whatnot, I was doing your job having children.


000000  No.12711815

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12421391

>Smugboard is a nice concept but it's written in Javashit and seems to be a thoroughly dead project

Nope, in contact with the dev. We are waiting for IPFS to get their shit together with the in-browser implementation. This is the holy grail of IPFS because gateways are literally why and normies can't into IPFS manually. The more the merrier though, the sooner we can crowdhost the Promised Chan the sooner we can stop dealing with fags like hiroshimoot.

Nice job OP, this is part of how we crawl out of the hole our enemies dug for us and expected us to die in.


b9927b  No.12716153

>>12711497

> We share the load

Just go through the thread and use Orion like >>12232191 does. If you don't have enough time to read a thread you have no time to gas kikes either

> While you were doing my job learning coding or whatnot

It does not require programming at all, it is plug and play


77e3e8  No.12732360

>>12711815

We will have to wait then.


458dd0  No.12732874

Someone who isn't me needs to make an IPFS archive thing. It would work like archive.fo but upload to IPFS.


6e3d3b  No.12750635

File: 0f26366869b7409⋯.png (153.29 KB, 1281x406, 183:58, outsourcing judgement.png)

>>12716153

<refraining from the urge to write an essay here since I'm too tired

That anon raises a great point actually. Fixing this mess is a very large and multi-faceted effort. We already outsource a massive level of our attention, so what's to suggest to that anon that his time skimming over IPFS specs isn't better spent looking over Dat or Urbit's papers? Or doing something else entirely?

The platforms are what is necessary to galvanise a heavy movement, and so the code is necessary. So developers are what is needed (and largely whom the thread is geared towards). If that isn't viable for someone, they (being here in the first place) probably still have a lot of other potential utility.

For example, through starting a blog.

>>12666925


adaa24  No.12760178

>>12750635

Dat protocol has the issue of being tied to the beaker browser, so we need to look elsewhere.


6fcd8a  No.12760192

Funny, it's a thing now. Who'd think somebody actually read that post.


ddadea  No.12780262

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>>12760192

hm?

>>12760178

You're right, but the point stands - that fact won't be as self evident to everybody else as it is to us. And even people who are more technologically inclined probably don't want to / shouldn't be wasting their time on other projects that aren't worth the effort, so we should be expediting their potential in the right direction as much as possible.

It's kind of symbiotic really - we need the masses for any formidable hope of pushback, but we are needed to give that initial (big) push that won't take away from everybody's convenience. As nice as it is to idealise the fortitude of Tomorrow's People, or stay on here and hoping to post angrily enough to be able to manifest the idea of their new-found motivation into physical existence, ignoring the realities of human behaviour will get us nowhere.

As for any specific protocol or piece of software to focus on, it's clear what my favourite has been so far. But like any tool, what matters is the job you are trying to do with it, and whether or not it is best suited to it. To that end, perhaps it is worth throwing Solid into the discussion as well.

https://solid.mit.edu/


cdaf7d  No.12790297

>>12696938

Then just use Orion. https://orion.siderus.io

Easy to understand and use, since it is like a BitTorrent client. See >>12716153


cdaf7d  No.12790310

>>12780262

Solid and Urbit are both not ready for public use as they have no GUI like IPFS or Dat


0bca9c  No.12808073

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>>12790310

>>12790297

Orion is a great introduction, as I mentioned earlier, but some actual strides are going to be needed to initiate a sizeable shift to the protocol.

Blog rings are one option, but what else will people want to access? What do you spend your time looking for on the web?

Take a look at that fourth link in the OP. We have a lot more advantages on our end than have generally been recognised so far. Dat, despite some problems, is in the same situation.


cdaf7d  No.12808483

>>12808073

Caching will be a major issue, all we need is to de-pin the problematic files and garbage collect the system, such that it is flushed out of the system completely… but then we will have to deal with data consistency and availability (see BitTorrent private trackers).




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