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b534fd  No.12135891

Judge orders accused Russian Gun Activist and Russian agent Maria Butina to remain jailed

Maria Butina, a Russian woman who is accused in the US of working as a foreign agent for the Kremlin, has been ordered to remain jailed pending trial.

District Judge Tanya Chutkan also placed gag orders on both prosecutors and Ms Butina's lawyers, ordering them to not speak publicly about the case.

The rulings on Monday came days after US government lawyers withdrew one of their most explosive allegations.

On Friday, prosecutors admitted that Ms Butina had not offered sex for a job.

A lawyer for the 29-year-old Russian gun rights activist accused the government of seeking to brand his client as "some type of Kremlin-trained seductress, or spy-novel honeypot," after they made the salacious claim in July.

"The only evidence the government relied on for its explosive claim was an excerpt from an innocuous three-year-old text exchange sent in Russian between Ms Butina and… her long-time friend, assistant, and public relations man," lawyer Robert Driscoll said in court filings after the government withdrew the allegation late on Friday night.

Prosecutors told the court that they had been been "mistaken" when they read a text conversation between two friends.

On Monday, the judge scolded prosecutors for their "rather salacious" claim, when she said, the conversation could easily be interpreted as a joke.

Federal prosecutors claim that Ms Butina was directed by a senior Russian official to infiltrate conservative political groups, including an unnamed pro-gun lobbying organisation that is presumed to be the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA), whose conferences she frequently attended.

Ms Butina appeared in a Washington DC courtroom on Monday, where Judge Chutkan ordered her to remain jailed without bail, due to the risk she may flee to her native Russia.

The Siberian woman, a former American University student, has been jailed in Virginia for nearly two months, since her high-profile arrest in July.

Prosecutors had claimed that she had entered into a "duplicitous relationship" with a Republican political operative in order to "advance the agenda of the Russian Federation".

The man, who is described as her boyfriend in court documents, has been identified in US media as Paul Erickson, a South Dakota-based conservative political activist, who is listed in public records as being 56 years old.

The case is not part of the US inquiry into alleged Russian election meddling.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45477716

http://archive.is/u8hSz

fad560  No.12135916

>>12135891

Is she actually a spy or just a lobbyist? And how is any of the things she's accused of having doen any different from what israel does on a daily basis?


b534fd  No.12135932

>>12135916

appears political, gives validity to the Russian" hysteria narrative the media, the FBI and Justice Dept has been pushing


b534fd  No.12135940

>>12135891

>On Monday, the judge scolded prosecutors for their "rather salacious" claim, when she said, the conversation could easily be interpreted as a joke.

and of course the anti gun narrative


cd6ee9  No.12135941

File: 59c7e2c9b9a7ff1⋯.png (19.96 KB, 750x750, 1:1, 59c7e2c9b9a7ff1a43bda92dc0….png)

>>12135916

I think she was just trying to bring gun rights back to Russia tfw no gun loving qt redhead


ac0bdc  No.12135947

File: abd325e32500e55⋯.jpg (56.32 KB, 1200x801, 400:267, anna-chapman-main-image[1].jpg)

Idi nahui?


2b4042  No.12136001

>>12135891

She was probably trying to steal design plans from cutting-edge gun makers which can't be exported under US law. Also, the problem with this spy-game shit is that the feds never make public what they have on spies, for obvious reasons. Russians have been stealing weapon designs since the PM M1910.


aa1251  No.12136002

File: 9e40f2ff05996db⋯.jpg (1.07 MB, 1200x1800, 2:3, JudgeChutkan.jpg)

>>12135891

>District Judge Tanya Chutkan also placed gag orders on both prosecutors and Ms Butina's lawyers, ordering them to not speak publicly about the case.

Niggers are jailing our russian waifus.


2b4042  No.12136010

>>12135932

The article literally says it has nothing to do with the elections


b534fd  No.12136068

>>12136001

>She was probably trying to steal design plans from cutting-edge gun makers which can't be exported under US law.

yeah, don't want to export that EOTech Holographic Optic to Siberia

>>12136010

>The article literally says it has nothing to do with the elections

nothing at all


879fd8  No.12136085

>>12136010

>The article literally says it has nothing to do with the elections

lmfao


b5adb6  No.12136520

>>12135891

This case is particularly interesting because it could be the beginning of something very big. The NRA has a pool of supporters that are, on average, more militant and right-wing than the majority of the republican party. The Russians might be interested in arming/training/funding right wing pro-gun groups like they did with left-wing political groups in the '60s and '70s. The reason the feds might be interested in severing this relationship could be to prevent networking and relationship building between armed, pro-gun factions in the US, and the Russians.

Recall that Vlad said that he would intervene on the side of Texas if it decided to secede. The idea of Russians taking an interest in right-wing factions in the US could be part of an passive counter measure against the kikes in DC. Its said here that a US civil war is the only thing that can stop WWIII. The Russians might be starting to see the value in that statement.


623c64  No.12136532

>>12135947

cuka bliat!


7bf050  No.12136545

>>12136520

or it's more likely he would use it to justify actions against the usa. you little russian niggers are brainwashed when it comes to this putin manlet. all you have to do is look at the ukraine and how the russian government sells that war to its people

>we're fighting the evil right wing nazis!

this is what russians believe and they will do the same. they will promote right wing groups in order to justify their actions against those countries. it's similar to the soviet playbook where they would promote degeneracy in western countries then denounce it. i'm really getting tired of how /pol/ has been subverted by russian subhumans. they are master manipulators


b5adb6  No.12136598

>>12136545

>it's similar to the soviet playbook

Russia no longer has the same priorities as the soviets.

>they will promote right wing groups in order to justify their actions against those countries

<its 584D chess, don't fall for it

kys. Any aid to us right now is good.

>all you have to do is look at the ukraine and how the russian government sells that war to its people

It doesn't matter how it sells war to its normalfags. The US gov does the exact same shit here to its population. All that matters is the actual support.

>this is what russians believe and they will do the same.

Again, it doesn't matter what the people of Russia believe. All that matters is support against the rising tide of bolsheviks in the US.


7bf050  No.12136613

>>12136598

i hope you know what you're getting yourself into, kiddo


4a3b69  No.12136843

>>12136001

>steal design plans

>from cutting-edge gun makers

>US

You have no idea how hilarious this sentence is.

The gun industry in the US is barely above South East Asia's, tech and design wise.

There is a reason why the US army only ever buy guns from European companies since the 80's.

90% of the US made gun are cheap POS that are made on machines from the 1930's.

The remaining 10% are made by craftsmen that actually care and have a small scale production, which is always spy proof, as you won't be able to replicate the know how save with kidnappings…

The average gun made in China is of better quality than the average gun made in the USA.


b534fd  No.12136851

>>12136520

to a paranoid fucking law enforcement jew like you it's interesting


442b9c  No.12136882

>>12136843

what, retard? the usa buys contracts to produce those guns in the usa. most guns the usa uses are made in the usa

>The average gun made in China is of better quality than the average gun made in the USA.

jesus christ the anti american shilling is getting completely out of control. how much does your boss pay you, ivan?


000000  No.12136899

>>12136545

>>12136520

>more likely he would use it to justify actions against the usa.

Is this parody?

Putin needing to convince the Russians that the USA is after them?

You must live a pretty sheltered life, where the USA dindu nuffin and Putin is scraping for reason to oppose the USA. Russians see the USA as their enemy. They have plenty of reason to believe so.

The USA really need to tread lightly, with their treatment of foreign nationals. Otherwise foreign nations might apply the same standards on them. Missionary man anyone?

I really wonder why Russia has not yet copied some pages of the US playbook and kidnapped some US citizen to bring them to Moscow for a process. Russia has not much more to loose after US sanctions, relationship is down, nearly to cold war level.


442b9c  No.12136916

>>12136899

nice english, torfag russian subhuman. you russian animals will be exterminated. you are niggers, worthless insects who have accomplished nothing in your history. you spread degeneracy and subvert like the jewish rats that you are. you project your bullshit on other people. russian's are the ultimate dindu niggers

>WAHHH IMPERIALIST USA

>while russian subhuman invades and spreads their communism

even the sanctions is bullshit. the usa targeted oligarchs and not the russian people. there's a reason russia made it illegal for russian citizens to view what the sanctions already are. same russian subhuman as always dindu nuffin


4a3b69  No.12136935

>>12136882

>the usa buys contracts to produce those guns in the usa. most guns the usa uses are made in the usa

Yes, because as part of the deals Europeans company have to bring their machines, their metallurgy techniques, their engineers and even their specialized technicians and workers, sometime they even have to import the raw materials.

Which is the reason why a FNH M4 cost over twice the price of one made by Smith and Wesson despite an insane production volume.

One is a gun made to the standards of the European gun industry the other is made out of (literal) garbage by niggers.


8f6ede  No.12136949

>>12136935

Do you have even a single fact to back that up?


4a3b69  No.12137174

>>12136949

Just look it up.

Nearly all AR aren't up to milspecs, an FN AR comes with a chrome-lined, cold hammer forged and machined from 4150 CMV steel, the bolt carrier group is made from Carpenter 158 steel, phosphate finished with a 1:7 twist rate.

Everything in it is high-pressure tested and magnetic particle inspected and all come with free floated handguards.

Regular AR barrels are made out of softer 4140 steel, aren't chrome lined, come with a 1:9 twist rate and aren't high-pressure tested or rated.

And I took S&W as an example because in the US the M&P15 is considered to be a "good quality" AR!

US gun market is a full on consumerist market.

No matter how cheaply the guns are made people still buy them, profit is made from the quantity sold not quality.

European gun market is the exact opposite. If you don't make quality guns you die as people have to make efforts to buy them and therefore are way more worried about quality.

So if there is something to spy on, small arms tech wise, it's not on the US that you would spy on…


c02844  No.12137347

File: a9e9313fbf979c8⋯.jpg (116.23 KB, 767x762, 767:762, no longer a waifu.jpg)

This is why women need to have children before their ovaries dry up. She looks rough!

Instead of playing with guns she should have been playing with her kids and her husbands cock.


592932  No.12137365

>>12135891

political prisoner


2dd46f  No.12137382

>>12137347

I don't think women should play with their kids cocks you fuckin' sicko.

P.S Learn English you retard.


ea970d  No.12137383

>>12136545

The jews have a solid metric on the pulse of the US hegemon thanks to private analytics of social media. They know the general population doesn't trust the foreign-led, non-constitutional executive state. A civil war isn't what will stop ww3. You have that causal relationship backwards.

They use external threats to unify the population under the guise of necessity. WW3 is what will be used to diffuse cohesion of resistance groups in the US, and refocus military aged males attention onto a threat, ultimately China.

they've planned this out since at least the 70s. WW3 is the final act. When that is done, it's game over. Just like ww1 brought the new deal, creation of israel and league of nations, and ww2 brought consolidated industry and global communism, ww3 will bring in a new era, the era where jews finally declare dominion of world government with their messiah as the emperor.


fa6f15  No.12137449

>>12137174

Another way to think about it is that because of the USA's lax ownership laws, we're incentivized to buy cheap, semi disposable guns to use and then throw away when they wear out. In most other countries it's a pain in the ass to get a gun registered, so they're much more likely to use a smaller number of guns a heavier amount, which means they need to be of higher quality.


000000  No.12137471

>>12135891

>ordering them to not speak publicly about the case

can't imagine why

>after the government withdrew the allegation late on Friday night.

ohhh.

Let me know when they start going after all the illegal alien activists for failing to register as foreign agents (it would be fun to get a peak into their disclosed income/funding…probably half the (((reason))) it'll never happen)


000000  No.12137487

>>12137383

this, (((red cows))) and all.


aa1251  No.12137496

File: 1b1fa2e793121ed⋯.jpg (65.39 KB, 471x720, 157:240, 1b1fa2e793121edccb3de1c9e7….jpg)

>>12137383

>they've planned this out since at least the 70s. WW3 is the final act. When that is done, it's game over. Just like ww1 brought the new deal, creation of israel and league of nations, and ww2 brought consolidated industry and global communism, ww3 will bring in a new era, the era where jews finally declare dominion of world government with their messiah as the emperor.

Jewish omnipotence is a myth and a demoralization tactic. Red cows are a forced meme.


000000  No.12137519

>>12137496

it's not omnipotence, they have stolen a sufficiently large stake in policy-making to steer it in the direction they prefer.

the red cow IS a forced meme on their part, but it works within their circles; kikes are clearly hyped about it.


f21b32  No.12137523

>>12137382

>learn English

"cock" would have to be plural in order for your misinterpretation of that sentence to be grammatically valid.


48bc5e  No.12137679

>>12136916

>cries about d&c

>proceeds to d&c against Russians

>>12136843

>US army only buys guns from euro companies

Proofs?


ca7aab  No.12137722

>>12137383

nobody dare name the #jew™


ca7aab  No.12137730

>>12137449

>we're incentivized to buy cheap, semi disposable guns

most guns were once impervious to fire also. House burned down? you could always dig out of the ashes the guns, and just replace the stocks, or hand grips. Now the poly shit all melts into a blob.


52711d  No.12137773


901599  No.12138162

>>12137679

Are you retarded? Do you even know who FN is???? Fabrique Nationale Herstal, a Belgian company that owns factories here in the US that make their 70 year old M249s and M240s (aka, the MAG 58) for US military. They also have the contract to make all of the US military's M16's and M4s after Colt lost it's contract a decade ago.


94a32e  No.12138336

>>12135916

She's a spy. Her daddy is a high ranking russian dude and she used to be hot, so she'd get dirt on US politicians and force them to comply with daddys wishes.


4b2c85  No.12138351

>>12137174

Mil spec is button rifled. US military specifically orders inferior (in 2018) barrels because their grandpas did so and it easier to continue train rolling than change specification.


b56db6  No.12138355

>>12137347

I'd still fuck her


4b2c85  No.12138375

>>12136935

>FNH M4 cost over twice the price of one made by Smith and Wesson

Military contacts were as low as $642 in 2013.


7c45d1  No.12138389

File: 95a935d7c4cd00e⋯.gif (230.14 KB, 241x255, 241:255, gingers.gif)

I got a thing for gingers


48bc5e  No.12138435

>>12138162

Yeah, i'm not /k/. I thought colt still had the contracts.


fa6d0a  No.12138446

>>12138389

>anime

Didn't read, just go fuck yourself you autistic failure.


f8586a  No.12138591

Yawn. Trump has already checkmated these faggots and they dont even realize it yet.

Whether R's/Trump win or lose in the mid terms he will release all of the relevant documents proving this entire investigation is a hoax. If Mueller tries to pull some shit right before the mids then Trump can do it early.

Its game over faggots.


d83d5f  No.12138599

>>12138446

fuck off goon!


a6454c  No.12138610

>>12138446

When I have likely read more than anyone here, and still like watching Anime.


4c2ac8  No.12138682

>>12135891

I had no idea what this was about at first but after reading about why she is jailed its fucking absurd. Essentially they've arrested her because she was Russian and supported the NRA and Republicans vocally. While some qt Russian chick is arrested for liking guns and wanting the US and Russia to not enter another Cold War, kikes get to freely serve in public offices with dual citizenship with israel and own the biggest lobbying group that owns all of our politicians to further the goals of the kikes.


ab0f5f  No.12138794

>>12138446

>vivian

>anime

Way to out yourself, newfag.


e8efeb  No.12138954

>>12135891

Oh the evil russian who loves the 2nd amendment we should burn her at the stake nuke russia and make hilldog queen bitch corpse of the smoking rubble


4a3b69  No.12142183

>>12137449

Absolutely.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, especially from an ownership point of view (lot of competition, drive price low, etc…)

My point is that the idea that US arm industry is cutting edge is ridiculous and innovation and industrial tech advance comes at 99% from Europe.


c02844  No.12142518

>>12138682

>>12138954

And the media lumps her in with the other 12 russian intelligence agents indicted for election tampering, hacking, and a host of other bogus crimes. muh, jews

any wonder why (((they))) were ejected from so many countries when it got this bad, then, and there, wherever


cb3806  No.12142600

>>12138336

what do you mean used to be? that's what makeup does for women anon

polite sage


cb3806  No.12142624

>>12136545

meanwhile every russian I speak to one way or another is wise to Putin and the rest of their shitgames, half of them wanting to escape to the last cool places in Europe.


48bc5e  No.12142645

>>12142624

Fuck off were full


d774ed  No.12147969

File: 30bc16ef7762dea⋯.jpg (7.38 KB, 235x215, 47:43, pepe3.jpg)

>>12135947

иди нахуй*

>>12136532

сука блядь*


29bae6  No.12157583

>>12138599

>>12138610

>>12138794

Kys weebcuck faggots


b53d32  No.12157591

>>12135947

Get your fucking booger-hook off the bang switch you dippy cunt.


11bb8e  No.12157697

>>12135916

She is a lobbyist. Her real crime is being Russian when Mueller needed a scalp.


cb8834  No.12157979

>>12136002

And she's an Obama stooge to boot.Also, from her Wikipedia entry on her "notable cases."

>In February 2017, Public.Resource.Org was sued by the American Society for Testing and Materials, the National Fire Protection Association, the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air Conditioning Engineers, and other entities for scanning and making available building codes and fire codes which these organizations consider their copyrighted property. Chutkan ruled against Public.Resource.Org, ordering all of the standards to be deleted from the Internet.

>In summer 2017 Chutkan was presiding over the Imran Awan and Hina Alvi fraud case.

>In Garza v. Hargan (2017), Chutkan ordered the Office of Refugee Resettlement to allow a girl in its care to have an abortion. That ruling was vacated by a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, reinstated by the full en banc D.C. Circuit, and ultimately mooted by the U.S. Supreme Court. In March 2018, Chutkan certified a class action and ordered the government to provide access to abortions to all girls in ORR's custody.

>On June 8, 2018, Chutkan blocked until June 20 the release in Syrian Democratic Forces-controlled territory of a dual-nationality Saudi-American citizen alleged to have joined ISIL. The man, who is now held for nine months in Iraq, was planned to be released by the U.S. military – with a new cell phone, some food and water and $4,210 in cash, and his Professional Association of Diving Instructors (PADI) identification card, as soon as the next day.


cb8834  No.12157994

>>12137347

>t. incel


264959  No.12158497

>>12135891

Even if she were a Russian spy, she was not involved in any government agency, so how was anything she did illegal?


264959  No.12158504

>>12136843

This. American guns are pure shit.


29bae6  No.12158520

>>12136843

>>12158504

>muh wood 'n steel

>muh plastic poodle shooter fuddlore

AK's are trash with right side charging handles


331dc0  No.12158604

>>12158520

Don't you like having to come off the rifle or take your hand off the controls to rack it anon?

Cheeki breeki anon! Cheeki breeki!


b7f741  No.12158707

>>12157994

>muh incel boogeyman


264959  No.12158836

>>12158520

Who said anything about AK moron? Fudds almost exclusively own garbage American guns.


b838ae  No.12162799

>>12158497

"unregistered foreign agent"

This is all a witch hunt though


97917d  No.12189212

>>12135891

in video evidence against her she literally mentions she's russian and starts asking questions. and our government is pretending like she was some secret agent. LMAO


13411d  No.12189222

File: 4181564868fa11f⋯.png (181.45 KB, 960x960, 1:1, patriot feels.png)

Let me tell you Russian spy hackers something right now.

I daily open-carry two loaded weapons: My right fist and my left.

If you try subverting my Country or my Dell personal PC you will catch five knuckle bullets to the face. Do I make myself clear? This is America, dammit!


8756a1  No.12189501

>>12135916

She's a lobbyist for the Russian firearms export industry - which in case you weren't aware has been hit real fucking hard by sanctions.

The fact that she is aligned with Conservative political activists at a sensitive time such as this puts her automatically into dissident status in the eyes of the US State Department.


8756a1  No.12189510

>>12136001

Unlikely, Russia has small arms parity with the US, and manufactures AR-15's - a design they've had their hands on since Vietnam. The only slight edge the US had was optoelectronics - like Gun Optics, Night Vision, and Thermal imagers, and quite frankly, despite ITAR, Russia has reached parity there as well because it's easy as shit to get your hands on.

Another thing as well - the USSR was the first country to mass issue body armor with bullet resistant plates - essentially forged ballistic steel plates a la AR-500, but earlier.


8756a1  No.12189554

>>12136843

>>12136068

Russia actually bought EOTech's and Aimpoints direct from the manufacturer in accordance with arms export treaties. And if they can't buy EOTechs now, they send someone to the US to buy a few pallets of them, throw them on a tractor trailer, and drive em to Mexico to ship to Vladivostok.

Ultimately besides the point - Russia has it's own domestically produced optoelectronics that mirror technologies used in Trijicon/EO/Aimpoint optics - later variants of the Kobra Holographic optic use EO technology for actual battery life, they have red dots that use tritium/radium and batteries like Trijicon's do.

>>12136598

>>12136843

Russia sees the rising Bolshevism of the US as largely, but not fully, their doing - ie Soviet and Jewish cultural subversion.

They see a radically socialist/communist US as a threat not only to global stability, but their regional stability and Russia itself as it transitions further and further away from the USSR and now oligarchy, into Nationalism.

Russia is not in a position to return to a cold war-esque arms race or sustain a World War without automatically resulting to nuclear weapons usage.

A Communist or Radically Socialist United States would rapidly turn the West - Russia's neighbors, Red. Russia would be pinched from the East by the Chinese AND by the West by the USSSR and EUSSR. That is not an option for a population/nation that was terrorized by Communism so badly that it broke its will. Russia is just now re-understanding and defining what it means to be Russian as opposed to being a Soviet or some peasant subject of a Tsar - they are in their age of nationalism.


8756a1  No.12189569

>>12142624

Putin himself understands he in a necessary evil - during the 90's-00's Russia was at threat of Commies winning the vote and re-establishing the failed USSR, or Westernites handing the country over to the West. Putin is the agent of an independent Russia in transition


8756a1  No.12189578

>>12138435

Colt lost the last round of contracts for production of the new M4A1's for mass issue to combat units.

They lost the contracts for M16A4 very early in the service life of that weapon to FN, and ultimately just got conversion contracts - ie make a flat top upper reciever so the Army can have armorers convert some M16A2's.

Currently Colt is only supplying parts to the US military, they might get some small scale attaboy contracts for Special Forces testing and equipping foreign forces, but they've been largely fucking steamrolled by FN USA


de346c  No.12189670

>>12189222

gay trips


000000  No.12213508

>>12136843

That's hard to believe anon. I tried adding the senate back in but I think I may have fucked up because everything may be fucked up now.


db965b  No.12213518

File: e98eaae3ee55940⋯.jpg (155.31 KB, 771x807, 257:269, e98eaae3ee55940e89d059dab1….jpg)

>a foreign spy that offers degenerate sex to subvert an existing government

100% kike. Who gives shit. Especially when she's behest of the (((Kremlin)))


15dd64  No.12213799

>>12136001

Why not just freely trade weapons back and forth with russia? That cold war shit is fucktarded




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