housing politics is connected to society and very much pol-itics.
here Ill expose the (((construction industry))) and tips Ive noticed on how to choose/build a house unheard before from your (((real estate agent))).
these are principles to look for in buying or DIYing, Ill go in details…
1st principle - BREATHABILITY
2nd principle - SIMILAR PHISICAL PROPERTIES
3rd principle - INBUILT "FLEX" / IMPACT ABSORBTION
4th – HAT and BOOTS
5th - if you mix materials mix them HORIZONTALLY (gravity will prevent significant movement), avoid vertical layering of different materials as much as you can
1st principle - BREATHABILITY
All walls need to "breath" enough so that moisture will never be trapped anywhere. Modern building materials used by contractors are the worst ones to use. They trap moisture and cause problems that ensure job security for the contractors. Vapor barriers rot houses from the inside out simply from bodily perpetration and cooking moisture. Using vapor barriers requires a host of other support systems to ensure the entire thing actually works just enough to keep contractors from getting sued quickly. That's the main reason why you have extremely old masonry houses and castles still doing well today, yet there are so many modern masonry houses that are falling apart, yet both are well kept and not neglected by their occupants.
2nd principle - SIMILAR PHISICAL PROPERTIES
all materials need to have similar physical property's
for example a house from bricks with lime mortar is going to last forever because lime mortar and bricks have similar stretch and flex.
now that house gets repaired with cement mortar because its faster and cheaper and the repaired wall is going to get many cracks because concrete is much harder than lime and harder than the bricks.
same with timber construction houses which wood survived the rain for more years than the USA is old get a new coat of paint.
the people use new latex waterproof extra chemical paint and the wooden beams are compost after 20 years.
why? because MC Paint is going to get a small crack and traps moisture behind it and because its water tight it can never leave the wood until your house collapses.
PS-fuck McConstructors killing it all with McPaint and McTyvek wraps
pic rel - notice that its framed by joinery and not by steel screws. that house will last +100 years
3rd principle - INBUILT "FLEX" / IMPACT ABSORBTION
Just like God creates man with a brain that floats within the skull in spinal fluid to embrace the impact, house need to do the same. Think judo, embrace the attack, dont fight it heads on.
Earth moves constatnly and McConcrete breakes, McRebar gets wet and enhances braking of McConcrete.
Stone foundations are "flexible" that is why they last so long. Similar principle goes with stone/brick walls.
4th – Hat and boots
self explanatory - rain/moistuere/ice protection, if you are under the rain, you absoltuly need waterproof boots and wp hat/umbrella, rest is personal pref
Same as with protective clothing - most hardwearing clothing are your helmet and work boots, EVERY reliable house build has respected that principle and is built on quality foundation and a roof with a solid overhang
5th - if you mix materials mix them HORIZONTALLY (gravity will prevent significant movement)
while layering vertically does give solid thermal properties, it is bound to fail since it isnt compressed by gravity but with moisture and expansion its just a matter of time for your facade to portrude.
Building a thicc monowall with double layers of brick or thicc logs is a far superior option.
>1st principle - BREATHABILITY
>2nd principle - SIMILAR PHISICAL PROPERTIES
>3rd principle - INBUILT "FLEX" / IMPACT ABSORBTION
>4th – HAT and BOOTS
>5th - if you mix materials mix them HORIZONTALLY
So basically the scam of construction industry is everywhere, think about your ROI on house, mainintence and mortages…how long until you have to cash out 20k for a new roof? another 20k for termites, another 50k for foundation repairs?
Now think how much cheaper houses would be if you could be them used?
>Is this the US? Is this what it has all come to? Niggers building houses out of fucking chipboard, for whitey to spend the rest of his life paying a mortgage for
yes, Im also not from US, americans are getting globally SCAMMED. That isnt even wood, but an OSB board (leftover wood with glue), all that stuff is very bad for your health.
OH SHIT IT'S MOTHERFUCKING HAT AND BOOTS FUCKING BUILDANON
I LOVE YOUR SHIT HAT AND BOOTS MOTHERFUCKING BUILDANON THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN MONTHS SINCE YOU WERE ON /pol/ BACK WHEN
Did janny ban you for posting this on 4/pol/?
tiny houses=total yuppie meme as well
>I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN MONTHS SINCE YOU WERE ON /pol/ BACK WHEN
what up niggz? some McContractor used care salesman fags report me every time I post there, I get a ban every time as I did yesterday (it was only around 150 posts in thread).
Im not regular on infinity, how do I embed yt links?
OP this is great info and everything but how the fuck do I actually get a house that adheres to these principles?
What contractor is going to follow this?
Won't it cost an absurd amount since you're basically expecting the contractor to build a custom house?
also regarding wood that is used in todays construction…its of such a bad quality that you should avoid it entirely (RC beams + red brick is a more reliable option, not high quality but far superior than low qultiy wood houses).
Left is an old pine (probably 100yo before cutting, right is young pine probably 20yo).
COUNT THE GRAINS!!!! young pine has like 2 grains per cm, that is bizzare, no wonder termites eat it trough
again, my proton is "wwa2" drop me a line
that is a challenge we all face, what country are you from? We should first try to build a network of craftsman and nobel tradies who want to do good work. There are plenty of good traditional craftsman in America as well but they never get big projects.
Keep in mind that if you dont have basic building knowledge yourself, no ammount of money will guarantee you a good house.
here are some good guys
>tiny houses=total yuppie meme as well
check out this bs that is sold as "authentic living", architects are idiots
there's actually a runic scratching engraved on the women's side,
its a really amazing structure, this is the back side btw, it located in oslo highly recommend visiting its also near an old fortress if im recalling correctly, great flat bread
Thanks for the suggestions. I am from America.
I'll be developing my construction knowledge over these next couple of years for when the time comes that I can afford my own home.
Daily reminder that the average time to leave a house that's on fire has dropped from 15 minutes during the 1980s to 3-5 minutes today.
The pantheon is concrete fam. Most of the lasting roman structures are fughueg concrete slabs.
The materials aren’t that expensive but the labor is going to absolutely rape you.
A buddy of mine does woodworking for a shop that makes home furnishings - tables, bookcases, things like that. Their markup percentage is measured in hundreds and yuppies eat it all up.
Craftsmen are rare, good ones are rarer. If anything this thread should further get it into people’s heads that learning a valuable trade is better than going to college.
I’d be willing to bet places with big foresting industries as well as ski towns which have lots of cabin style houses probably have a higher supply of these sorts of craftsmen.
They also don't have pieces of iron mystery alloy inside them to rust, swell, and crack them from the inside.
It's all just a total scam and no-one does anything right. New builds are made to meet a price with pinpoint precision, with every corner cut to the maximum. Old builds are invariably a time-bomb. Builders are greedy bastards who employ people they don't know and pay them pittance and then lie to your face and promise that 'their guys are the best'. Architects, surveyors and planners are crooks who profit off the privileged. Companies fold and appear like it's China to get around duty of care and warranty.
Tradespeople in my country want quick, easy jobs. It's taken for granted now that they just juggle multiple jobs at a time to maximize profit (meaning you can wait weeks between visits if your job isn't juicy enough) and they can comfortably walk away or do a shit job if they don't want to do something right because it's too hard, and the processes to deal with this are too weak and slow, and that's if they show up at all because they just load up their schedules with jobs and miss your appointments if a better job turns up.
In my experience, all the tradespeople we've had have nominated either unsuitable or the cheapest and nastiest materials, which we've had to intervene with every time, ranging from cladding to roofing materials to insulation. Most of them have no idea about anything, and you should never take advice from people who aren't engineers about such matters, because they'll tell you anything to get/save/finish a job in a way that suits them. Treat them like car salesmen, get EVERYTHING in writing (we're talking details about material type, source, spec, finish quality and requirements, ad nauseum) and be hostile in your approach from the beginning, regardless of how friendly they seem, because at the start, everything is fine and doable, all details are not a problem, until it comes to delivery time when they stiff you and I guarantee you that you don't have time and funds to pursue a protracted legal battle even if the odds are stacked in your favor. Everything you didn't care about they'll use to fuck you in the end if it doesn't work out well.
We've had tradespeople who stole raw materials (lead sheeting, old large hardwood beams, etc.) and tools from our site. One builder (recommended as a "good guy" by a tradesman we trusted and liked) didn't fulfill the contract we agreed on, walked off the job after a disagreement (we wanted good finishes and he had a big job on an apartment complex come up that he wanted to move on to) and sent debt collectors after us in the end (thousands of words in emails back and forth later).
Another quoted us for rendering our exterior walls, and failed to note that if you're rendering walls you need to paint over the render with a surface treatment or it isn't actually weatherproof (noted in the manufacturer's documentation, clearly), thus trying to sell us a finish not fit for purpose, which is why all the cheap ass render you see around cracks and develops stains (not surprising, but still disappointing. Properly rendered walls have a paint feel, not a sandy feel). His firm did a good job despite this, but got really antsy about the time the job was taking in the end and cut some corners. Still one of the better experiences.
We got stiffed on a re-roofing job by the tile manufacturer's recommended roofer - the job was supposed to take three days (way too short), ended up taking months, they knowingly installed tiles on roof angles too shallow for the tile, meaning that they leaked, used dubiously sourced factory seconds which were ridiculously fragile and didn't bother to do any prep work on the old rafters, etc, meaning that they were all uneven. Years on and the roof still leaks - we took them to court and they eventually agreed to settle for the court fees after months of lies and outright fabrication, and now we need a new roof.
We had a guy doing epoxy floors in our work buildings, one of which has two big untinted skylights which shine direct sunlight on the floor and the other which has a door facing north, allowing full sun exposure, and 'forgot' to add a UV blocker to save his costs, thus causing both floors to turn an attractive urine yellow - we had to get the manufacturer to send a rep to inspect the work and he ended up redoing it at cost months later (a triumph, but a big hassle).
We had a guy excavating soil in front of our house to do rendering, who promptly eroded the foundations and collapsed part of the wall, who then left the country. The first set of tradespeople we got to fix this dumped the job because it was too hard and tried to charge us $7000 for propping up the wall with some timber.
The guy who did our cornices (another recommendation) (cornices are his 'specialty') attached them crookedly, which takes forever to rectify with sandpaper and plaster and never looks right up close.
The guy who installed our workshop doors didn't install any weather seals so water comes in when it rains.
The guy who installed our new shower didn't install door seals so water goes under the door in a great flood whenever anyone has a shower.
The guy who tiled our bathroom didn't bother to ensure that the tiles were angled to make the water drain to the floor drain, meaning that it just pools around.
And so on, and so on. I have many more stories.
I've had to become learned in heaps of shit I don't give a flying fuck about to either do it myself right or get a decent job done. I've bought thousands of dollars worth of tools I didn't want because I have to be an expert in everything now to get shit done (don't skimp on tools or you pay twice. Don't buy chinese either). In my area, noone wants to deal with old houses with complicated problems because there's hundreds of new houses and apartments going up that need simple shit done that they'd rather be doing.
I'm renovating the family home (built in the 40's with a shitty, unsympathetic renovation in the 80's) and it's all fucked. I'll be 300K in the hole to get it done right so the house is worth anything in the end and has a unified style and look. My main blessing is that I have a job that pays 25% more than the national average wage to fund all this insanity.
Home ownership is a misery.
In fairness, it's volcanic 'superconcrete'.
>there's actually a runic scratching engraved on the women's side,
what is womens side of the building?
Do you know the methods of cutting wood they used in stave churches? Was there the period of the year when wood was best for cutting? Ive also heard about birching the wood before cutting methods but Im no expert on traditional wood cutting.
>The pantheon is concrete fam. Most of the lasting roman structures are fughueg concrete slabs.
Its more similar to lime mortar than todays waterporous crap we use.
>Daily reminder that the average time to leave a house that's on fire has dropped from 15 minutes during the 1980s to 3-5 minutes today.
unless it kills your lungs from living in that shitbox, every single part of those houses creates asthma.
those old churches used to split the congregation so that women would be on one side and men on the other
at least thats what to tour guide leading a group around said
>It's all just a total scam and no-one does anything right. New builds are made to meet a price with pinpoint precision, with every corner cut to the maximum.
Indoctination in construction nihilism starts from college.
The absolute human garbage in construction is hard to believe until you see it first hand.
check this out (dont mind the non embedded link)
the number one purchase/payout is on housing, 50percent of americas (((millionaires))) do it through housing and real estate the whole industry is fucked.
> t. son of slavic contractor
I don't really need to. This is my life now. It's been years of this.
I've actually seen that video. That's the same class of shit we're dealing with. People who just don't give a fuck. The difference is that Americans seem to have a stronger system to deal with these fuckers. Australia has no such protection.
On a similar note, have you been following the tower that's become structurally compromised in Sydney? Harrowing stuff.
Ive said this numerous times on half (before getting banned), Americans should build like continental Euros (dont worry Im not an eurosnob love America, v8, big tits and Im a muscle car men ).
REINFORCED CONCRETE BEAMS
RED AIRED BRICK
REINFORCED CONCRETE ROOF
This is a standard build in Croatia. Problem is that you dont have airebricks, not to mention that red bricks are also rare, that is probably intentional to keep houses prone to fires, earthquake damage and in need for constant mainintence.
To have no misunderstangings, RC beams+ red brick cant compare with legit stones, but for cheap build its another world compared to OSB crap.
>brick is slow
>RC is slow
>you need a lot of labour for brick
ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS! THEY ARE SCAMMING YOU!
watch the most pleb shack being built below and see for yourself
>On a similar note, have you been following the tower that's become structurally compromised in Sydney? Harrowing stuff.
not familiar, I started these threads after Ive seen Mirandi bridge collapse which made me question everything new structurally speaking.
>REINFORCED CONCRETE BEAMS
>RED AIRED BRICK
>REINFORCED CONCRETE ROOF
this method is:
3.earthquake resistant (RC beams are very good for it)
5.more moisture resistant
again, this is not a build for millenias like solid masonry, but if you build pleb, do it as best as you can
guys we should really start some kind of guild or smth
>high end residential tower in Sydney promptly developed cracks, shifting and started making loud cracking sounds inside.
>doors refuse to shut, frames shifting by over 2mm
>3km radius evacuated in case of collapse
>building declared 'safe' and people allowed to return, but 51 apartments are apparently not safe for habitation, investigations ongoing
I personally hope it collapses and the construction industry gets fucked by the mother of all enquiries. And then Trump fucks China in the ass and their economy, and ours, collapses.
Croatia doesn't have the best houses in the world
hollow brick and cement isn't good quality build.
It is cheap, made for plebs
Wood is used because it is cheap, light and fast and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
There's a good reason brick houses are only a couple of stories tall, and that isn't quality
Mind you whole upper floor bricks sometimes fall out in earthquake.
This is at least a decent build. But you don't gain anything by using bricks as you can make a whole house completely out of concrete. Only reason it is, is cheapness.
Concrete however always decays, as does rebar.
They are not permanent materials, even wood isn't. Stone houses last 500+ years. That is the only material that will. Look at old torched and decayed castles. Everything inside has rotted away but walls are still standing.
However, building house for "a very long time" today is completely irrelevant. You build it for 50 years, that's how much you will live and that is that.
rebar is needed for modern structures. The romans used the mass of their structures to stress the concrete, we use rebar in tension. Without this our concrete would be many times weaker, and we would have to make structures fucking massive if we wanted to achieve the same compressive forces needed to strengthen concrete.
>That isnt even wood, but an OSB board (leftover wood with glue)
We call it particle board, and yes, it's garbage. All the McMansions are made of it, and even plywood is miles better than this crap.
I buy old houses and renovate them. If the bones are sound, the rest can be repaired, and the house will last forever.
A google reveals that it is possible to purchase stainless steel rebar.
For anything worth time, it sounds like that would be worth using.
>>high end residential tower in Sydney promptly developed cracks, shifting and started making loud cracking sounds inside.
what a bunch of lowlifes, those apartments are some peoples livelihood, no wonder these is so much mafia in construction
>Croatia doesn't have the best houses in the world
it doesnt, I said, this is not a build for the ages, but average up to 100years lifespan build, for the money and time its brilliant.
>hollow brick and cement isn't good quality build.
>It is cheap, made for plebs
>Wood is used because it is cheap, light and fast and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Its a plebshack, but solid plebshack, we never have problems with them. Comparing RC+red aired brick with solid masonry is like comparing DeWalt with Festtool.
>Mind you whole upper floor bricks sometimes fall out in earthquake.
Ive never seen that here.
>This is at least a decent build. But you don't gain anything by using bricks as you can make a whole house completely out of concrete.
Nope. It would be too cold. Aired red brick is somehow a good isolator. Krauts pic rel use harder Yandex bricks instead of RC beams but do RC floors, we most often do beams in RC.
>I buy old houses and renovate them. If the bones are sound, the rest can be repaired, and the house will last forever.
>The romans used the mass of their structures to stress the concrete, we use rebar in tension. Without this our concrete would be many times weaker, and we would have to make structures fucking massive if we wanted to achieve the same compressive forces needed to strengthen concrete.
there is a place and time for modern methods, not everything needs to last +50 years, but its usefull for the house to last longer to give it to your kids etc.
Definitely, pure iron is fucking cancer in structures and requires way too much maintenance.
the arch structure is 2000yo and still solid and livable btw.
mind you, old school croatian house are solid masonry with 1m thicc stone walls. Ive seen some local idiots repairing them with concrete instead of lime…imagine the damage on stone blocks with time…
>Definitely, pure iron is fucking cancer in structures and requires way too much maintenance.
you mean a lot of jobs for union workers?
Yeah concrete is in my opinion mostly relevant in hurricane/tornado zones for housing, since it resists wind damage so well. Much better indoor climate in homes built with solid principles and natural materials.
Most of the catastrophic cracking from rebar rust is also related to bad design. I've seen 50+ years old reinforced concrete in marine environments that looked fine.
>Yeah concrete is in my opinion mostly relevant in hurricane/tornado zones for housing, since it resists wind damage so well.
it would be ideal for plenty areas in america + its very fire resistant, there is probably a strong anti-brick and anti-RC lobby there. Its insane how underdeveloped brick industry is in US
You would be correct if we lived in an era of prosperity and one wherein people didn't disperse after finishing high school for the sake of university or jobs. I.e., they would actually remain in their ancestral home. I mention prosperity because if the neighborhood goes, there is no point in living there regardless.
>>12617022 dubs checked
>how do i embed yt?
>Show post options & limits, then embed
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OBS builds from early 2000s collaps from moisture already
> I mention prosperity because if the neighborhood goes, there is no point in living there regardless.
not entirely true, entire america NE is old build, those builds are still worth capital. Its always good to have that kind of capital, if people dont live in it now, they might live in it later, either way, you dont have to build more times than once not to mention that mainintence costs are lower.
No different than buying or selling used tools - quality keeps its value.
>OBS builds from early 2000s collaps from moisture already
I always find it really weird yeah. I saw a documentary about an American town that got obliterated by an EF4 tornado. Only structure standing was the concrete high school, everything else was turned into twigs and insulation foam.
also, not to seem that Europe is only capable of making solid houses, these are some solid old houses from US (compared to the other picture made by state of the art "technology")
almost as if its in someones interests to make you loose your home isnt it?
Fuck. I gotta go to bed. Building a home is something I've put a lot of thought into over the years. IF this thread is alive when I get up, I'll write a massive post about what I think my perfect home is.
Short version: reverse brick veneer passive solar.
guys, would americans dig this kind of stouty build/design? Its everywhere here in cro.
Im might go there and start making bombproof houses with red bricks for you and get mega rich. If I dont get sabotaged by Italian or Croatian construction mafia…
you can always contact me on my proton "wwa2"
>However, building house for "a very long time" today is completely irrelevant.
It's also usually illegal. Go try to build a stone walled castle and see how quickly you get shut down by neighborhood/city council or HoA nonsense. And even if you DO build it, they'll just force you to tear it down.
I'm going to make it my life's work to bring back joinery to construction in some form.
Even though a steel fastener is technically slightly safer in case of a break the way we think of it today.
The absolute state of American construction seems terrible anon, glad a champion like you exists!
Also wanted to say; Great thread!
Architecturally it looks like a "projects" house, some government funded welfare box for niggers to live in. The only difference is in America those are made of wood. Cheap wood. Like, the cheapest wood. Even if you tried to sell the better materials, the appearance still makes people think of a "bad neighborhood", e.g. the black side of town.
I also think you're seriously underestimating the cost of a completely brick house. Even regular-ass bricks are expensive as hell in America and only the most premium homes even come with a full brick fascade on the outer walls, much less having the walls actually BE brick. Getting them made of special holey brick would be even worse from a price standpoint.
We're looking at something that would cost $500,000 but looks like it's a government subsidized projects house.
>The only difference is in America those are made of wood. Cheap wood. Like, the cheapest wood.
I am glad that someone with such experience posted on this subject because something slightly off topic has been bothering me of late and I have been curious as to how they pull it off and what the big scam is because I know one exists but I just can't figure out what it is exactly.
What is the deal with "affordable housing" being used in states now to take land and alter the real estate of communities? I notice this especially happens in this (now) Communist controlled states of OR, CA, etc. There has to be something to it as there is no way a developer would willingly take a financial loss.
>Architecturally it looks like a "projects" house, some government funded welfare box for niggers to live in.
I get it, its the "nothing special" look, but its extremely utilitarian - good use of space, good durability and great thermally. People even do concrete roofs on them.
Either way, the cost wouldnt be that far from cheap wood/osb houses and you would get FAR more from it.
Modern "architecture" is disgusting and bland. Our people deserve better than bland, cookie cutter "townhouses."
Suburbia is designed for slaves.
White people need White architecture.
>We're looking at something that would cost $500,000 but looks like it's a government subsidized projects house.
those type of houses here cost from 130-200k usd. But that wont be replicated in US markets since you dont make the needed materials.
Sounds good. Throw in some old growth timberframe guts and it's a good rural house.
Now if you want a real construction redpill, check out Prevailing Wages. It is the reason shitboxes are built and the reason shitboxes cost so much.
Reminder guys, there's a jew behind everything. If there isn't, you just haven't looked hard enough yet
thx for the friendly reminder anon shouldve known
>not constructing his own house
your ancestors would be ashamed
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If I had to guess, it's large financial incentives from councils and the state (giving developers preferential deals for land ownership/rights, preferential deals for government projects, preferential consideration for requests for zoning changes, etc, and maybe tax breaks?), as it seems consensus is that there is a deficit of housing in OR and CA (meaning that the people in charge will be using policy to incentivize construction) (regardless of the number of empty houses; basic bitch economists insist high house prices indicate a lack of supply and that housing can be a commodity as well as an investment) coupled with the big construction firms all being well oiled machines who know how to churn out passable shit with a tightly controlled project scope (with superficial changes to differentiate projects) and a tightly controlled financial bottom line.
The reality is that building cheap and nasty copy and paste shit isn't expensive, particularly when you've got all your supply lines
and labor crews sorted out in advance and (hue) put in concrete, and you've done it a dozen times before. If your upstream suppliers know you need X amount of materials at a given time with regularity because all you do is build the same thing over and over, things get pretty straightforward.
As an example further afield, I read that the Forest City island construction project (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-11-21/-100-billion-chinese-made-city-near-singapore-scares-the-hell-out-of-everybody) only needed to sell around 1/3 of properties on it to be profitable, so the developers didn't even break a sweat when China implemented its restrictions on money leaving the country. I think the outrageous scope of the project combined with that fact illustrates the point that these things are very carefully calculated for risk.
Behind these big construction companies are bean counters running the numbers, and, in the absolute worst case, they can just close the company and go home and rest easy.
RWBS guild to phase out the weasels in construction?
First of all, I just have to thank you for such a great thread. I find it kind of amazing that spending on housing takes up so much of our income and time, but topics such as this are so rare. We are all definitely getting majorly screwed on the type of materials that we build with. Only the cheapest will ever do for people's families in this day and age. In the old days, a man would build the best house he possibly could for his family, using the best materials available to him.
As someone who is planning in the next five years to sell his shitbox and move out of the diverse hellscape of urban Canada, this topic couldn't be more relevant.
My father has been in the building industry his whole life, first as a building inspector, and then as a contractor trying to sell higher end materials that last as long as reasonably possible. From him I got the inspiration to go and build something that will last as long as possible, using natural materials that don't contain cancerous compounds.
The challenge in my part of the world is dealing with the cold. Winters here can drop as low as -35C, so houses need to have extensive insulation. How does one build for the long term while insulating against this kind of cold?
>using natural materials that don't contain cancerous compounds.
oh man…Ill tell you, I cant even sleep properly in modern houses, best sleep of my life was in a stone house with 1m thicc walls and that was in blazing summer hear without AC.
>Winters here can drop as low as -35C, so houses need to have extensive insulation. How does one build for the long term while insulating against this kind of cold?
thich brick walls or solid wood or even thick rock. Rock is cold but a big thermal mass, trick is to build a basement to take the warmth from the ground in winter (surface is always colder than deeper ground in winter), but rock is complex.
If you have bricks, try pic related…another thing you can do is rock foundations+wood log top floors. Look OP video, they did a crazy good job.
A lot of these shady american construction methods have been coming over to the UK lately.
While brick and mortar is still mostly the norm. We're seeing ever greater use of American methods on interior walls, resulting in a lot of houses where you can easily put your arm through a wall or in one hilarious case I saw literally walk through a wall with little resistance.
American methods for outer walls fortunately remain rare. As brick provides too much thermal insulation to pass up and non-brick houses take a severe hit to their value here in the UK.
The American brick industry is underdeveloped for a couple of reasons
First is the whole manifest destiny thing. Because the US population kept spreading westwards there was a consistent construction boom requiring quick easy construction. Brick isn't quick or easy for the second reason.
Second reason being material transport. Due to the USAs size and the difficulty of moving large quantities of anything, they relied primarily on local materials when building. This inevitably meant wood was the go to material. Brick is most efficiently made at large brickworks where there is an ample source of suitable clay and due to its weight in bulk is not cheap or easy to move in large quantities. You'll see more brick buildings in coastal areas due to it being easier to move brick in bulk by boat and potential nearby clay deposits.
Which leads us to the third. Simple material availability. Wood was plentiful, it was everywhere in huge quantities and readily accessible as a building material requiring little in the way of specialist equipment, locations or facilities. Plus you'd be clearing out a lot of trees to build anyways.
This map shows a current rough idea of clay deposits in the USA suitable for brick production
Bearing in mind this is by modern standards of suitability not older ones which were far more lenient.
Also attached are two images comparing commercial clay deposits in the USA and UK (which has a much more highly developed brick industry)
So yeah. It was somewhat inevitable that brickworks in the USA would never really take off and this has had a negative effect on the US construction industry as wood and flimsy construction are normalised in your building standards and expectations.
The reason stone didn't become the dominant material is manpower. Quarries remain extremely labour intensive even now. And quarried stone has incredible transport issues of its own. Since most construction was done by future residents in the USAs early history there was no chance of them relying heavily on stone, though many did use loose stone for various purposes.
And of course money is always a factor especially these days.
LAnd costs a lot of money and you can't cut corners on it really so cutting costs on build quality is an easy way to boost profit.
Affordable housing is a direct answer to the claims of systemic racism; there's preferential treatment for women, minority, and veteran business entities where there's usually a certain percentage point of the total project cost goal for participation of the entities. In competitive funding sources, the inclusion of those business entities achieves one points which are compared to like developments to decide who gets an award. Also part of these federally funded projects where the name comes from is the inclusion of what's known as Prevailing Wage.
Prevailing Wage is essentially a premium on union wages but for a specific project during construction. Not real numbers but for example, bricklayers make 60/hour, carpenters 50/hour, piledrivers 100/hour, truck drivers $40/hour and because it's federal and there is a monitoring of a percentage of the total project cost participation of women, minority, and veteran business entities all these numbers are tracked and ensured with soul-crushing compliance reporting. The Prevailing Wage is said to ensure that local workers are used and they are paid a fair wage but the local guys won't deal with it because the reporting is too complicated. So it leaves niches of middlemen and shysters and dedicated entities who exist solely to do compliance reporting for these projects. There are some genuinely good companies out there but they are few and far between.
To even build on a federal scale with these materials requiring these skillsets would cost so much. It's doable but it would cost so much and get fucked up so much along the way. Private entities should be encouraged to pursue these building methods though. This new construction material standards is garbage. Everything falls apart in 15-20 years no maintenance or if abused by affordable housing tenants.
Brick also requires a more specific skillset. Not every area had or has those resources. The UK has a ton of wood shingle shacks with large stone foundations because those are the resources available. Lots of slate up there too.
>American methods for outer walls fortunately remain rare. As brick provides too much thermal insulation to pass up and non-brick houses take a severe hit to their value here in the UK.
how do you insulate walls in UK? can you post a crossection? here its like this but big aired brick>>12617407
>US construction industry as wood and flimsy construction are normalised in your building standards and expectations.
I mean, Scandis also build in wood, only stone foundations, but their wood builds are of very high quality, USA wood builds are just shit.
You're being cucked by zoning laws more. US zoning is confusing shit. I get cordoning off industrial zones but the zoning laws are like 90% of the reason the US has such shit traffic and why it takes like 2 hours to do anything.
Because you can't have a convenience store on the corner of your street, you have to drive for 30 minutes to go to the McMarket which is right next to the McBurger which is right next to a insurance agency's office for some fucking reason.
You can't live close to your non-industrial job either, because that would be too simple. No, you have to live 9 miles out and across the highway from it. Obviously! What, are you stupid?! Why would you want to live in a convenient walking or cycling distance from everyday things like a store or a cafe or your place of work.
It's why the mom-and-ops are dead, it's why traffic is only getting worse, it's why the US doesn't have cafes, it's why people don't go out, it's why the community culture is dying since the last thing keeping it together - churches - are also dying, it's why the US is slowly becoming an antisocial traffic jam where nobody gives a shit about anybody and internet points are all that mater since that's the only place where you're actually socializing.
Don't worry, though, us Europeans aren't far behind either.
UK has a lot of different kinds of construction but its very unusual to see wooden walls.
Wood shingle roofs and even thatched roofs are still a thing in some areas but have gotten a lot rarer over time.
Slate is pretty common in many parts of the country because its widely available in some parts of the country due to large slate deposits.
Again tying into the whole availability of materials defining a regions construction norms.
I recently pondered about the influence of large mall operator companies on zoning policy. I think there's a strong link there.
>cucked by zoning laws more
I'll second that. Coupled with building codes, it's why we all have to live in stick-framed houses with plywood shells and all wrapped in tyvek. It's why that one house that is held together with joinery would never pass inspection. Not only does a building code somewhere say you have to use approved fasteners, but pretty much all the inspectors out there interpret it to mean that you also can't use no fasteners. Brick or block or poured concrete housing would be much more energy efficient year round, but no city or township will let you build one for the simple fact that they have to be able to burn you out of it, should the need arise.
Peoples' best bet is to build a brick or block or poured concrete structure in a light commercial zone, and wall off some sections in the back of it (ostensibly for offices, a break room, bathrooms, and so on) and then to live in it. Also, probably, having a reason to build a commercial building would probably be good. A roofing shop or a sheet metal business would be good cover.
In the UK since around the early 1900s most new builds have been what are called cavity wall construction.
Wherein you essentially have two layers of brick (different kinds) with an empty space between them.
The air provides some insulation and the methodology mitigates damp problems that are common in the UK due to the climate.
But the standards and general expectation of thermal insulation changed with time and now its become very common for these cavities to be filled with foam based insulation materials as a retrofit.
Cavity wall insulation services are very common, reasonably priced and very effective for increasing insulative properties of a home. Essentially they plug up the gaps in the outer layer intended for condensation, stick a couple of hoses in and start pumping in the insulator.
Measures of course need to be taken to ensure no damp problems emerge. Typically through the choice of insulative material and rectifying any existing damp problems the property has at the time.
On newer builds adhering to the proper norms, they will fit insulative material to the interior of the external wall. Leaving a channel for damp to pass and drain out of the cavity.
sadly we do not have much access to bricks, especially the large, hollow type you see across Europe. We have mostly wood here.
The rock foundation sounds like a good idea. I will watch the video.
renting > owning unless you're rich
As I laid out earlier. The US brick industry is pretty much non-existent.
Last I checked the USA only really produces a handful of speciality brick types. Even then its mostly for domestic use as existing brickworks in the UK and other European nations produce a vastly superior product.
On top of that a decent trained brickie is very hard to find in the USA.
>living on someone else's property
>thinking you need to be rich to own property when you actually just need to be financially responsible
Anon that's stupid and you're stupid for saying it.
What are your thoughts on modular homes?
No you're dumb, do what rich people do. Move to the country get a real house and commute to work. Not what hipster faggots do, rent 2k+ a month houses
>do what rich people do
>commute to work
They could work if they were crafted well, but they often aren't. They're often architect wank proposed as solutions for housing for low income areas/the homeless. Modular container homes are a total scam as containers are wholly unsuitable for building construction, particularly in a stacked context.
I think the Germans do them OK, but as with anything crafted to be a certain way, they lack the flexibility of a standard house.
Great thread, anon. Do you know much about Hemp crete??
Shipping containers can work as housing. But not terribly good housing.
You've got to be prepared to accept the inconveniences and downsides.
its not really suitable for anything thats going to bear any load.
Not bad for insulating tho.
>can't cut holes in them for windows without compromising their strength and making them unstackable
>not enough height in standard containers to allow for provision of routing air condition ducting, wiring, etc, forget lofty ceilings
>not large enough for insulation, etc, without combination
>your entire house now rusts
>your entire house is now an electrical hazard in the event of bad wiring
Is it true that Americans don't have radiators below their windows?
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>In the UK since around the early 1900s most new builds have been what are called cavity wall construction.
>Wherein you essentially have two layers of brick (different kinds) with an empty space between them.
this is very interesting, how is that system compared to insulation on the outside? isnt it better to just build a thicc monowall? Im afraid of the longevity since principle No5 >>12616984 >>12617006
mostly overpriced memes
>Do you know much about Hemp crete??
yes, its similar to fiberglass concrete, but well see
Stay poor then tard, already rich ppl can afford to stay in the city for work but they loved outside of it until they could afford it. Most actual rich people live in 1/3 of what they make.
>Live in rich af neighbor Hood
>avrg home 500k-800k
>many 2 million+ homes within minutes walking, retired basketball players and artisans ect
They all shop at Albertsons, North face, the gap and a specialty thrift store in town full of nice used clothes
>Everyone drives used Volvo's and Subaru
Lived here 12 years, you wouldn't know any of them are rich except you'd think they were assholes
Pic related, rich guy
>moving around is bad
I fail to see whats wrong with a commute, other than becoming part of a traffic jam.
>grug live in forest
>grug see many rocks
>rocks on floor
>think grug strong enough to pull
>think enough rock for build cave
>grug want build cave
<grug not know how to cut rock
>this is very interesting, how is that system compared to insulation on the outside? isnt it better to just build a thicc monowall? Im afraid of the longevity since principle
Better for insulation and easy to run wires though, but not very strong in my experience, comparatively. If you start tampering with bits of it, it's exactly as strong as a single brick wall, unless you're looking at it in a holistic structural perspective and it is never caused to change due to external influence.
>cheap linen curtains
>small ass LG monitor
>windowed mode WITH borders on GTA with low settings
I think his AR 15 may be the most expensive thing in that picture.
Insulation and a central furnace eliminated the need for those decades ago.
Considering he got a shit tier sport version with no FA, maybe not. It's a fucking .22 LR from the looks of it.
even grug know fire metal not real fire metal unless horse fire metal
I politely disagree, but thanks for answering me.
True, considering that is a tiny ass ejection port.
checked and thank you for sharing anon.
any knowledge here on underground structures? Impervious to nearly everything and it leaves your entire property open to graze or food forest. I'm not sure how deep down I'd have to dig to find bedrock but finding a rocky outcopping wouldn't be too hard
>no optic at all
>iron sights closed
Not only is that faggot poor, he probably has never even shot the damn thing. Unsurprising, seeing as how if he showed up at a range with that thing, the safety officers would ask him to leave for being a giant faggot.
The new way to control people who buy houses are (((housing associations))). They have this same bullshit book of rules in condos. Avoid this bullshit at all costs.
You're welcome. I hope it saves you an unpleasant experience.
I'm not sure I'd want to live in something I didn't build. As far as building into the ground is concerned, it has a lot of upsides, but ground water is a persistent and very important concern.
Yes it is what I just said
>You must understand, you are poor so you think poorly
That's only one rifle if many, goes back packing for weeks at a time, Disney world for 3 weeks a year, not even concerned to become a vacation club member ect ect
>Ur tv didn't cost as much as it could have so you're poor
.t nigger mind
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I think we could, unironically, take a few hints from the Amish. Right Wing Build Squads when?
>Keeping your items in good condition is bad
>Spend extra on cartoon accessories
>Pay someone to tell you when and how to shoot
You have a slave and "nigger I need my baby to have air Jordans" mentality.
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they are good builders. check this video of an Amish company doing timber framing - all solid wood with heavy joinery, and they cover that beautiful wood with Tyvek dogshit and OSB - it was probably from another company but Amishes did the framing
>Right Wing Build Squads when?
Now! How do we connect? should we create a discord? I unironically want to create a RWBS guild
>(((real estate agent)))
Ive never met a jewish real estate agent now that I think of it.
Probably because agents are just commission slaves like car salesmen.
why would a range officer ask someone to leave for having a 22lr with no optics? Stop trying to sound cool, faggot.
The fact that they are using it for shitty prop is all you needed to know. You usually buy those sight to flip down when running optics. It's cheaper to get fixed ones instead of plastic MBUS at that price point in terms of durability. You are so rich, but can't afford a set of Pros, a cut down carry handle for rear, or even a solid pair of fixed like Daniel Defense. Then again it's still a 22lr. I guess if one wants the same ergos to practice with, but a 10/22 or a cz455 are nicer for that caliber. Stop taking offense because the choices are in line with firing range tactical faggots.
You think that's bad, you should find out what modern houses are being supported by a new type of cheap ass flake composite material. Some of them don't even use steel beams to support house structures anymore to save money in materials. I know this because I worked with my brother in construction and we were installing a deck for a client. We literally had no foundation to drill into except for whatever that cheap ass material that contractors use now in days. They argue that it's "stronger" than steel but I would not trust it for the life of me. It's literally plywood flake board shaped with some kind of composite glue to resemble steel beams.
One of the first questions I would ask when buying a new home is "What is the foundation being supported by". If you find out that it's the composite flake board, then move onto an older home. Most likely whoever the jack ass installed it (Ryan Homes, THP Properties, etc.) probably used it the cheapest materials to maximize their profit at the cost of durability and structural safety in your home.
(((Discord))) - use Riot
Since I haven't seen anyone mention it yet: Cob is a great material if you want to make a house yourself.
It's just clay, sand, water, and long straw mixed up together. Very cheap and very easy to work. Also keeps heat or cool well, though you'll need quite a thick wall. Basically fireproof (the straw doesn't have air to burn), earthquakeproof, easy to remodel with enough time.
There's houses that are from the 16th century made from it, with row or two of stones underneath, that are still standing. Only thing is that you're better off making round shapes and the wall must never get wet throughout.
I would tell them to leave solely because they're too gay to be at my range. You might as well trying to be shooting while sucking a cock. I bet you can, you fucking faggot :^)
They don't build good houses like the good old days don't they ?
>They argue that it's "stronger" than steel but I would not trust it for the life of me. It's literally plywood flake board shaped with some kind of composite glue to resemble steel beams.
They probably say that its probably 56% stronger than steel beam
Ive had people on halfchan explain to me that OSB is "just" for sheating, but never structural and that Im wrong about American construction
*get traces of peanut butter, glue, feces, french fries in lungs*
OH NO NO NONONON
>building homes for 1 generation is good enough
you're a kike
nobody cares. Stay on topic.
>Cob is a great material if you want to make a house yourself.
>It's just clay, sand, water, and long straw mixed up together. Very cheap and very easy to work. Also keeps heat or cool well, though you'll need quite a thick wall.
Cob is a literal mudhut and has excellent properties…Imagine…african mudhut is actually technically superior that the shit you use for sheating
LOOOK AT THIS DUUUDE
LOOOK AT HIS WALLS
LOOK AT THE MOISTURE THAT NOT EVEN MCTYVEK 2000 EXTRA COULD STOP
I grew up close enough to them. They run quite a few furniture stores and it's all built-for-life quality like you would expect. Just like they say in that video, they're building heirlooms, not disposable trash. I'm no builder but their attitude and business model is much better than the (((alternative))) (>>12617099). I hate all these stupid plastic houses made from generic online plans. Of course, the Amish have the advantage of proximity. Huwhites need to consider this and have a good look at their model.
>Have you ever used a computer?
>No, and I don't want to. Looks like a bunch of headache
*more cancerour particles from OSB and McExtra poly waterproof coating get in lungs*
THIS CANT BE REAL MY NIGGERS
DONT WORRY GUIISE IT SAYS TREATED ON THEM
Yeah it's really fucking sad. Most young naive home owners signing up for mortages don't even know what kind of scam they are getting themselves into. If you can afford a plot of land anywhere (all you need is one acre or less), and a 84 Lumber package (but be careful and know exactly want kind of materials you are investing your home with), then I honestly think that is the best way to go with now in days.
Most of the morons that are buying these kind of houses are moving from the city, so they think it's the greatest thing on earth when they see a modern house in what they think is the country. If any burgers out there that are thinking about purchasing a home, avoid big names like Ryan Homes, THP properties, etc and seriously try to do it on your own. You'll be surprised how much money you will save, and how much safer it is over these cardboard cut out developments that they call "houses".
that looks like a chimney that wasn't flashed properly, water intruded vertically, not through housewrap.
>believes goyim can actually own land in usa
>calls anybody else stupid
stop paying your property taxes, aka rent, and see how long it takes for your landlords to evict you from "your" home
THIS IS FUCKING INSANE THANKS FOR THE KEEKZ 56 PERCENTERZ
>They run quite a few furniture stores and it's all built-for-life quality like you would expect.
Look up Shaker furniture, those guys knew what your work should represent, this whole boomer and postboomer "le just get paid" deserves and ethnic cleansing.
Im laughing but its frightening…imagine taking a lifelong mortage on that…what a total SCAM. We need to do something fast about the scumbags who give government approval for this
>cardboard cut out developments
stopped by a local McMansion build site, during truss flip workers were notching and hacking roof lower chords so they would sit straight on lousy wall frames.
They also used 2x4 framing with exterior rigid foam insulation over 15/32 OSB, which will rot away in 5-15 years guaranteed.
Any books worth reading on this subject?
2nd pic says more about shingle/underlayment than OSB sheathing. Still I would not put OSB on a roof, even the "exposure 1" grade crapola.
3rd pic holy crap what a disgusting fraud that building is.
how is noone making this a serious issue? most buyers have no idead what they are buying once its all plastered and pretty, has onyone in politics adressed this?
Sure if it lasts 15 years, Ill buy it the same way I buy shoes that I throw away, but how many people actually know that this literally cant last any longer STRUCTURALLY speaking.
>has onyone in politics adressed this?
Lots of talk here about how much OSB sucks and I'm not arguing with that.
But nobody has mentioned plywood; I used 23/32 CDX plywood on my roof when I redid it 2.5 years ago, and I put one of the scraps over a muddy spot. Scrap has been sitting in the mud and the blood and the beer and the ice ever since, and still has not delaminated. Stuff is not without merit.
Maybe because /pol/ isn't fucking /architecture/ you dumb nigger.
Its not even wood. Its cardboard.
both shingles and that digusting plastic faux brick veneer disregarded the principle No1>>12616991
>1st principle - BREATHABILITY
If it gets wet, it should self-dry with time, imagine buying clothing that destructs when it gets wet? the result is what it is.
plywood is pretty strong, its miles above OSB, still not optimal doe.
Oh hey, its the drunk croat from 4chan.
The issue isn't the building materials or engineering. Its the lazy and cheap contractors hiring cheap labour and cutting every corner they can when constructing things.
OSB McMansions are the boomer mentality transformed in to construction.
Big, wasteful and wgaf if it lasts past my lifetime.
>Its the lazy and cheap contractors hiring cheap labour and cutting every corner they can when constructing things.
NO IT IS NOT STOP THE BULLSHIT
issue is dogshit level of materials, I wouldnt build a dog house out of OSB, its fucking disgusting that you dont warn families in search of houses that their house wont last 20 years without being a MAYOR money leak
They are probably in on it. Housing markets depend on increasing population and demand for new homes. It's clear we're not going to have an increase in population because of birth. It's clear that immigrants aren't going to be buying homes, because they just get their government housing and government checks.
It looks like the plan for construction is to create disposable homes that last as long as a typical mortgage. This way, instead of building a home that will last 100 years, there are a lot more homes to sell.
It's going to be one big Detroit.
Yes it is. OSB requires that the contractor isn't lazy when installing it and follows the rules it has when building with it. Its not retard proof like regular lumber. I don't design any structures with it simply because I know some south american is going to fuck it up when building it.
>OSB McMansions are the boomer mentality transformed in to construction.
and people think that big brutalist postmodern crap is the biggest problem…its the conservative republica types who own those companies, totally shamefull, bunch of scammers
You take meaning from, the word when you use it like filler as a vapid woman would.
Kill yourself dude.
I unironically like those tiny houses. If I am poor when I am old, I want to live in a trailer park full of those.
>If I am poor when I am old, I want to live in a trailer park full of those.
that is the meme - tiny houses are far from cheap
Thoughts on the idea of using stone,and metal siding & roofing, with a timber framed structure?
>OSB requires that the contractor isn't lazy when installing it and follows the rules it has when building with it.
and what rules should I follow with OSB? double Tyvek wrap instead of one?
read the damn instructions.
>stone,and metal siding & roofing, with a timber framed structure?
dude, be more precise…its timber framed…OK.
roof is metal…OK. What are the beams of roof, metal? I suggest against that also against metal sidings. do smth like pic rel if you can, also look up a video I linked here not embedded - truth about log cabins
>read the damn instructions.
"includes traces of french fries, cheeseburger, peanut butter and feces. Sterilized with MaxWaterPolyProof for your enjoyment. Glued with MegaPolyglue - dont burn or inhale when cutting. We guaranteer entire 5 year guarantee on all of our products."
Do you think that Aerogel is worth the premium for insulation?
you mean rock wool? what are other options?
rock wool is always superior to spray foam - not in thermal performance, but overall integration with the house. read here >>12616991
spray foam actually has great thermal properties…issues is that is DESTROYS YOUR HOUSE (after you get serious moisture problems from within).
What happens with sprayfoam? It turns into dust and into your lungs.
A couple of shipping containers placed in an open L shape would make a decent cheap temporary shelter for when you're building your off grid house, though. One for sleeping, cooking and eating and one for tools and storage.
I dont know nothing about it but I can think and so can you, ask yourself these questions when dealing with any new hyped construction material:
1. is a new product and how long has it been used?
2. does it breathe?
3. what is the guarantee? Not that theyll cover it if it goes wrong (they never do) but to get a picture of its durability
Based on that, I would call it an unnecessary risk and would go for rock wool on the outisde (that is if you really need to) but reffer to principle No5.
aerogel is too expensive to make right now.
use starlite instead.
It's still pretty expensive and modern rockwools are pretty darn good.
Not as good per depth measurement, but plenty good.
I don't know if Aerogel "breathes" as the OP put it, which could be a problem.
>what are other options?
>Ive said this numerous times on half (before getting banned), Americans should build like continental Euros (dont worry Im not an eurosnob love America, v8, big tits and Im a muscle car men ).
You probably saw enough bullshit construction in Eastern Europe. The video in >>12617120 is exactly the kind of asshole "Eeeeh who cares" attitude we get in fucking Germany from Eastern Germans thanks to decades of commie standards.
>You probably saw enough bullshit construction in Eastern Europe.
I did, but its never smth as big as in that video or selling a house that self destructs from moisture. Regular EE construction is suprisingly structurally solid >>12617303
. Contractors are weasels, no doubt, but they have a reputation here for being sloppy sometimes, not for doing something that is systematically bad and selling it as OK like spray foam insulation
>RC beams + red brick
What's your opinion on expanded clay (foamed clay) for wall building, constructor-anon?
Crawling through the thread right now. Good read, thx for the impression.
Actually this is legit an incredible idea.
> because if the neighborhood goes, there is no point in living there regardless.
If the neighborhood goes, having a concrete house may be even more advantageous than when you trusted your neighbors.
If we can meme it we can achieve it!
>If the neighborhood goes, having a concrete house may be even more advantageous than when you trusted your neighbors.
this guy gets it! those houses can easily survive a grenade, even roofs are concrete.
>What's your opinion on expanded clay (foamed clay) for wall building, constructor-anon?
First time hearing about it but it doesnt seem that strong, refer to these qs >>12617924 , in what way is it different than preformed red brick?
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Here's an interesting documentary from 1984 called Inquiry: The Great British Housing Disaster about the large, prefab concerte blocks built in the UK during the 60s.
See from 27:00 onwards how neglectuful those constructions were.
There is nothing "wrong" with this kind of building if done properly. The OSB rot you see is not a problem wit the OSB, ALL WOOD ROTS, this was a problem with the siding not being installed properly. Nigger Mexicans are the problem here.
This is actually a better way to insulate now because you do not have a heat/cold difference in the attic which can cause a ceiling to condensate on the back of the drywall under the insulation. The spray foam creates a moisture barrier which is ESSENTIAL in most humid climates. Areas that are humid will have more water vapor in the air on the OUTSIDE of the house than in it.
Log construction is the WORST. Why? Because the logs expand and contract with the seasons. Any chinking you put between the logs will crumble and fall out unless it is latex modified and even then it will not last more than 3-4 years before needing a touch-up. Not to mention they are wood insect caviar.
This chipboard has a higher sectional density than plywood does and is much much stronger in shear and deflection. Plywood is crap by comparison.
Tyvek is a great product, it is waterproof and great for humid climates. it keeps the moisture out of the walls and keeps condensation from forming on the OSB. The water damage on the first photo is from roof leak all along the gable. This cape cod way of framing gables without soffits is a shitty way to build for this very reason. Fault there, Nigger Mexicans not doing the roofing job properly.
Red Aired brick is popular in Europe because they have the clay to make it locally in most places. In the US we use CMU (Concrete Masonry Unit) or "cinder" blocks which are just as strong if not stronger than clay fired bricks because of the rock content. Red clay bricks have no rock, the clay particles are "fused" in a kiln but they are very brittle.
This is essentially the same way a CMU house is built in the US, the only difference is the verticals are internal in the block cores with a piece of #5 bar every 4 feet poured solid.
I'm betting the third photo is from a coastal area and the cement is at least 40 years old. This happened because they used seawater to mix the concrete rather than freshwater.
The spalling on the bridge is cause from water wicking into the concrete and then freezing repeatedly. Not a concrete issue, they should have painted it.
In Florida, 95% of the houses are CMU walls, tile roofs and stucco walls. They are designed to take 150 MPH winds. When you see a news clip like Mexico Beach that was wiped out in 2018, the houses that were destroyed were not built to today's code. The house in the photo is a CMU house with per-stressed concrete floors and a wood roof.
There is nothing wrong with the new home in that photo and by looking at the Simpson products and their locations, this is a well built home. Even the windows have been properly flashed so this home owner wont have the problem in the OP's first post showing the rot under the door where water got under the siding.
Looks pretty much the same as Florida construction only with red brick.
TJI's have been used for floors and roofs like this about 30 years now and they are designed for interior locations. They are perfectly fine and are stronger than solid wood 2x12's. There has not been a single class action suit against the use of them. Believe it or not, there are advantages to ENGINEERED wood products over natural wood. These are the "fiberglass" of the wood product industry.
>Cob is a literal mudhut and has excellent properties…Imagine…African mudhut is actually technically superior that the shit you use for sheathing
So is fucking concrete nigger, only it's BETTER Wood is economical and we still have wood houses standing 200 years after they were built.
Again, this is a Nigger Mexican issue, water got behind the siding, I bet those inside corners were not caulked and the house-wrap was cut in the corner. Not a problem with the products, a problem with their installation.
>plywood is pretty strong, its miles above OSB, still not optimal doe.
Wrong. ALL WOOD ROTS. OSB is made out of the same wood as plywood only it is STRONGER because the grain runs in all directions rather than just TWO.
Nigger you have to be RICH to afford this kind of construction.
Maintenance fucking nightmare. Oh and I love the little 3/4 inch rods tying the 12x12 porch posts to the concrete pads. We all know the reason the wood does not go all the way down is because it ROTS. Looks pretty but it's all FAKE. In the spring time that house will moan like a whore when the wood warms up and starts absorbing moisture.
OP is an EPIC fear mongering FAGGOT. All of the failures he showed in the posts were problems with Nigger Mexican installation, NOT the product.
KYS you ignorant faggot.
>All of this damage control
>Nigger mexican installation not going hand with hand of the jews behind the cheapest materials to construct card board cutout houses to maximize profit
Hi Shlomo of THP Properties how are you today?
>what way is it different than preformed red brick?
It should be much lighter but stable enough to take one or two upper floors without problems plus heavy roofing tiles. The walls have been all modelled out firsthand and the house could be stacked together and doesn't has to be build brick by brick which reduces building time by a fuck ton.
The insulating is claimed to be superior and you shouldn't have to slab this cancerous shit all over the walls.
>All of the failures he showed in the posts were problems with Nigger Mexican installation, NOT the product
>OSB is made out of the same wood as plywood only it is STRONGER
>Nigger Mexicans are the problem here.
>Tyvek is a great product,
>There is nothing wrong with the new home in that photo
>Nigger Mexican issue
>Nigger Mexican issue
Peak Amerimutt McContractor detected.
what a great guy, Ive watched most of his videos, he makes custom log cabins
>The walls have been all modelled out firsthand and the house could be stacked together and doesn't has to be build brick by brick which reduces building time by a fuck ton.
that doesnt help with distribution actually, It is much easier to ship bricks that that big wall, also lifting is much easier. Idk, doesnt seem that better than red brick or concrete brick
A lot of that could be changed with better use of color, proportion, accents etc. My old neighbor was a commercial artist and did fine art on the side, when he painted his own house it was stunning, everything was perfect, even used some subtle shading effects to change the perceived shape of the front facade. The croat houses posted could absolutely be made to fit American yuppie tastes.
Get REKT, I live in Florida.
There are cheaper products than OSB stupid nigger.
If you think today's houses are shit structurally, you should see how shit was built up to the 1970's it was garbage.
Have a look at the photo in my first post and tell me I don't know what the hell I am doing. That's the kind of house I build.
>They are designed to take 150 MPH winds
Nigger, am I supposed to be impressed by that? Are you saying that the houses you build dont fall apart when they shouldnt and last more than 10 years? WWWWWWOOOOOOWZIEEEE!!!!!!
>Believe it or not, there are advantages to ENGINEERED wood products over natural wood.
it costs less?
>it keeps the moisture out of the walls and keeps condensation from forming on the OSB
so your saying that AmerimuttOSB2000 cant deal with regular moisture on its own? I thought it was a superios product to natural wood?
>Because the logs expand and contract with the seasons.
>Not to mention they are wood insect caviar.
Only the Amerimutt is dumb enought to use the youngest possible pine for construction and not dry the wood properly before building
> The croat houses posted could absolutely be made to fit American yuppie tastes.
Mind you those are just plebshacks built by peasants. The whole house is "stouty" Austro-Hungarian style of village house, unlike the more elegant Brit houses
>There are cheaper products than OSB stupid nigger.
>Have a look at the photo in my first post and tell me I don't know what the hell I am doing. That's the kind of house I build.
those Florida houses seem pretty good, also wood WONT rot if you stick it directly in the ground (that is if you choose the correct wood before hand and dont put toxing on it).
Either way, if hurricanes are you problem in florida, and arent so stuck aesthetically on those raised pier wood houses, use reinfroced concrete beams + concrete brick
Great thread so far Op
With concrete, consider basalt rebar, it doesn't rust and cause oxide jacking like with iron rebar
Do you know the quote by Thomas Jefferson about wood vs masonry construction? The one where he says something about starting over every 50 years due to rot etc., vs. european structures being made of stone and appreciating in value?
Can't seem to find the article but it's worth reading, paste it if you know what i'm talking about
Also there's this:
>so your saying that AmerimuttOSB2000 cant deal with regular moisture on its own? I thought it was a superios product to natural wood?
Nigger ALL WOOD ROTS. Even plywood. There is ZERO difference in water tolerance between OSB and plywood, it's all made out of conifer trees.
You are just butthurt someone came in here and made you look like the stupid faggot you are.
>>Only the Amerimutt is dumb enought to use the youngest possible pine for construction and not dry the wood properly before building
This comment shows how dumb you are, wood is Hygroscopic. You can dry the hell out of it and it will absorb moisture from the ATMOSPHERE.
> The croat houses posted could absolutely be made to fit American yuppie tastes.
>Mind you those are just plebshacks built by peasants. The whole house is "stouty" Austro-Hungarian style of village house, unlike the more elegant Brit houses
Nigger I am talking about the method of CONSTRUCTION. Brick inside of supporting beams and posts. It's the same in Florida only the posts are internal, the beams are external.
>There are cheaper products than OSB stupid nigger.
Yeah Nigger, aluminum coated structural CARDBOARD pic related
Why aren't houses, in the US, built using cinder blocks? I know that the walls to the basements are made of cinder blocks but why aren't those used for all the walls? Can't you reinforce them and give them great insulation fillers? All of these stick houses never hold on to heat or at least that's been my anecdotal experience.
All of the schools I attended had cinder block walls, some common areas just painted over the blocks, but then most put drywall (or something nice) over top of them in the actual classrooms. They would do the same to outside as well, usually a brick layer.
I don't know of the proper terminology is a "stick-built home" or what but they all just feel cheap in terms of quality. I would hate to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a plot of land and then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a house that didn't hold on to heat well and then suffer from things like cracking and subsequent leaking near the top of a window a few years after construction.
I used this stuff a few years ago for my workshop. Only down side is there is no way to bend "loops" like with traditional steel rebar.
>those Florida houses seem pretty good, also wood WONT rot if you stick it directly in the ground (that is if you choose the correct wood before hand and dont put toxing on it).
Nigger, you really are retarded. ALL wood rots, some slower than others and if it does not Rot, termites and other wood boring organisms will EAT IT.
>>Why aren't houses, in the US, built using cinder blocks
I'd like to design a home that uses precast panels and structural steel. I'd accept a smaller more durable house over anything made from wood.
I'm sure concrete can have it's disadvantages but I can't think of very many, not nearly as many as with wood.
Metal and masonry are the way to go.
Op, do you think you could you develop some plans & elevations for an entirely metal + masonry home, and post them here for us to comment on?
They are in some places I just posted this pic in this post.
>Do you know the quote by Thomas Jefferson about wood vs masonry construction? The one where he says something about starting over every 50 years due to rot etc., vs. european structures being made of stone and appreciating in value?
Yes I know it, I used to post it as a disclaimer to prove my patriotism and prevent amerimutts sperging and banning me on half.
>…We … will produce no permanent improvement to our country while the unhappy prejudice prevails that houses of brick or stone are less wholesome than those of wood … A country whose buildings are of wood can never increase in its improvements to any considerable degree. Their duration is highly estimated at 50 years. Every half century then our country becomes a tabula rasa, whereon we have to set out anew, as in the first moment of seating it. Whereas when buildings are of durable materials, every new edifice is an actual and permanent acquisition to the state, adding to its value as well as to its ornament.”
Im not an expert on it, but if I had a choice I would choose to reinvent Roman Concrete instead of upgrading RC.
>Nigger ALL WOOD ROTS.
>You can dry the hell out of it and it will absorb moisture from the ATMOSPHERE.
All metal rots…
All food rots…
All clothing rots…
IF you keep it wet.
THEREFOR you must build with wood in a way to ALLOW IT TO DRY WITH AIR.
Go away you illeterate idiot, I wouldnt even allow you to build a dog house, let alone use tools.
You are dumb amerimutt mccontractor that is a part of this skeme, you might be that dumb as not realizing it.
Swiss build wood houses that are now worth 5 million euros, all raw wood, around 100 years old, today in PEAK condition
>aluminum coated structural CARDBOARD pic related
Its worse than I thought…
I assume you laquer with MEGAMaxPolyCoat all wood you use or use that amerimutt method of "pressure treating"
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old school >>> new school
>All metal rots…
>All food rots…
>All clothing rots…
>IF you keep it wet.
>THEREFOR you must build with wood in a way to ALLOW IT TO DRY WITH AIR.
>Go away you illeterate idiot, I wouldnt even allow you to build a dog house, let alone use tools.
>You are dumb amerimutt mccontractor that is a part of this skeme, you might be that dumb as not realizing it.
>Swiss build wood houses that are now worth 5 million euros, all raw wood, around 100 years old, today in PEAK condition
Your problem is you dont know what HUMIDITY is. Wood lasts a long time in a dry climate. Try using it, and leaving it exposed in a HUMID climate.
It will rot. It will NEVER be dry when the humidity averages 85% in sub tropical ares like the south east US.
Get educated and learn how to use a spell checker.
This thread had potential until OP started relentlessly sperging and screeching about mutts.
>old school >>> new school
the advantages of new school ARE NOT in durability, but in speed and shortterm strenght (RC is the best example) of it. There is time and place for it, but it isnt a good application for a long lasting house.
Everything that is too hard becomes BRITTLE. Mutt idiots cant comprehend that.
Quality house is always "soft" to embrace the impack and its NEVER (((air tight))), have you heard that term being thrown around? Being air tight is like going hiking in a plastic bag, you need gore-tex fabrics for hiking to deal with moisture…its nothing complex if you have good guidelines…oh man…
>Try using it, and leaving it exposed in a HUMID climate.
And Alpine climate is what? Dry!!!????
No stupid nigger, I dont build houses like a Mexican, here is a photo of my new home I am currently building.
>And Alpine climate is what? Dry!!!????
Yes it is. So is Colorado. Just because it has snow does not mean there is WATER VAPOR IN THE AIR.
You really are ignorant.
>No stupid nigger, I dont build houses like a Mexican, here is a photo of my new home I am currently building.
cool. how deep are the foundations? they seem way too shallow
and why do you use cinder blocks instead of RC for loading beams?
>cool. how deep are the foundations? they seem way too shallow
All of that is buried. The footers are 3 feet wide, 1 foot deep and have 7 tons of steel in them. They contain 70 yards of concrete.
>tar paper roof
if he got tiles that would last a lifetime or more, but he probably cant beacuse the frame is to weak to take the load.
>building homes for 1 generation is good enough
>you're a kike
Then go build something you'll keep paying off until the day you die
Look at the photo that has the forms on the top of the block, that picture was taken a day before the tie beams were poured. All the bearing is in the top tie beam. All those holes in the wall are poured solid, they are left open so you can drop another rod of steel down the core of the block and tie it to the steel coming out of the foundation. You cover those holes before you fill the wall with concrete. Those are the internal load bearing posts inside the wall.
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>The footers are 3 feet wide, 1 foot deep and have 7 tons of steel in them
that is a very shallow foundation, how close are you from bedrock there and why havent you considered piles instead of floating? kind of sloppy fam.
> he probably cant beacuse the frame is to weak to take the load.
exactly, it would collapse. check out the roof load on these alpine houses (they even throw additional rock on roof)
A lot of good info regardless. It's a shame that he's a little too up his own ass and doesn't realize that his construction methods are mainly for one climate. US is made of all sorts of climates and differing humidities, so on so forth.
If stucco only plywood on the the sheer walls. Mainly this forces lathing to be fixed to wall framing instead of plywood. Especially around proud eaves this is important.
>that is a very shallow foundation, how close are you from bedrock there and why havent you considered piles instead of floating? kind of sloppy fam.
Because there is no rock in Florida you stupid Nigger. You can go down 300 feet and it's nothing but sand.
Depth is only needed when you can have coastal washouts undermining the structure or you need to go below the frost depth. There is no frost in the ground in Florida.
Where the hell is a house that big going to go? It's 8,600 square feet. It's not going to blow away.
That dude is trolling or a retard. His sentence basically reads like
> It's not theaterials and engineering, it's the materials and engineering
That's where "corners are cut" of course, don't worry, he's probably genetic trash, that's behind most butthurt anti-nazism.
> that picture was taken a day before the tie beams were poured.
here we dont practice that method of RC, we make molds out of wood and the do the RC, but I dont thing that makes a big difference.
Either way, you should focus way more on foundations, bad soil is no excuse.
I wanted to add, the load bearing on a WOODEN house
>Because there is no rock in Florida you stupid Nigger. You can go down 300 feet and it's nothing but sand.
no worries amerifriend, when it collapses, it will be to late already to get sued. YOLO!
>There is ZERO difference in water tolerance between OSB and plywood,
That's how I know you're a lying sack of shit.
>OBS is dimensionally stronger than plywood
More bullshit from king bullshit of con tracked housing land.
Here's another one for hats and boots anon:
OBS is known to be incompatible with tyvec and other house wraps because it releases acids over time, damaging said wraps.
It can also degrade membrane roofs.
You just outted yourself FBI/CIA. It's called National Socialism you fucking ferral ape.
>OBS is known to be incompatible with tyvec and other house wraps because it releases acids over time, damaging said wraps.
Im keeping this one, I know its true since all plastic is gay but is that sourceable? (btw did you knew that goretex hiking boots are only guaranteed up to 5 years, unlike leather?) everything based on plastic fails.
All wood structure that relies on glue is utter crap, only thing you need to destroy is a hair drier, literally just a bit of heat and it dissolves.
you dont need bedrock for a 2 story house ffs
There is ZERO difference in water tolerance between OSB and plywood,
>That's how I know you're a lying sack of shit.
OBS is dimensionally stronger than plywood
>More bullshit from king bullshit of con tracked housing land.
Wood fiber is used more efficiently in osb. Osb is stronger than plywood in shear. Shear values, through its thickness, are about 2 times greater than plywood.This is one of the reasons osb is used for webs of wooden I-joists. However, nail-holding ability controls performance in shear wall applications.
Eat Shit Nigger
>Do you know the quote by Thomas Jefferson about wood vs masonry construction?
Do you know Jefferson didn't know jack shit about building? I am sitting in a wood house right now. It was constructed in 1857. It will still be here in another 150 years. Wood is not the problem.
>not a single intelligent comment
No wonder you get banned for spamming this retarded shit.
>no worries amerifriend, when it collapses, it will be to late already to get sued. YOLO!
3 feet wide, 1 foot thick, 7 tons of steel, 3 feet below the surface and you think it's going to collapse..
LOL whatever you say super Mexican.
>I am sitting in a wood house right now. It was constructed in 1857. It will still be here in another 150 years. Wood is not the problem.
>you dont need bedrock for a 2 story house ffs
If you can you should always try to use bedrock, but 1 feet foundation with no aditional deep piles is very sloppy. The lifespan of that build is significantly shortened.
>Wood is not the problem.
…and you are a shizo if you think I said that wood is the problem. Your house isnt built out of ply or OSB, I know that.
>There is ZERO difference in water tolerance between OSB and plywood,
wtf is "water tolerance"? we are talking about water damage and abiltiy to self dry.
>Osb is stronger than plywood in shear.
as if shearing is your only problem…
>3 feet wide, 1 foot thick, 7 tons of steel, 3 feet below the surface and you think it's going to collapse..
such an unintelligent overbuilt…
>you dont need bedrock for a 2 story house ffs
You do if you are building on the coast and the storm surge washes out the sand from underneath your house.
Is this USA? even in fucking Russia they don't build houses out of this shit especially not water proofed one :DD
You say some conflicting things, like "all wood rots" but "this wood splinter and glue board is a good product". Also "so and so did the wood wrong" but "lumber is retard proof". Sounds damage controlling to me, overusing the nigger Mexican gag to impress us.
I personally am from Florida, now live in DC area. I was spoiled by the hurricane building codes forcing everything to be concrete/cinder block construction, as I am a stickler for sound pollution. I come here, DC, richest metro area maybe on Earth, and every apartment is transmitting sound like a damn Dixie cup phone, newer the apartment complex, the worse. Houses are also problematic for this, guy I know makes big money soundproofing houses with special doors and heavy vinyl to get over the inherent paper mache quality of new tyvek/osb construction.
Wealth doesn't insulate from this problem, 10+ million dollar houses still get built like shit, people are always having problems and just don't understand why. But on nice days they always pack into old sections of town (old sections are now worth a mint btw) to have a human feeling day. My favorite old haunt has stone walls so thicc you cannot get cell service inside it, no internet, no text, nada, it's beautiful.
>If you can you should always try to use bedrock, but 1 feet foundation with no aditional deep piles is very sloppy. The lifespan of that build is significantly shortened.
Nigger it depends on the soil underneath and the groundwater. Sand is stable, it neither expands or contracts. It's only flaw is it can be hydraulically removed by running water.
>as if shearing is your only problem…
Thats the ONLY reason it is used on walls.. Lateral bracing AKA sheer.
>such an unintelligent overbuilt…
Well lets see, 10 foot masonry walls capped with solid concrete tie beams, Second floor of pre-stressed 8 inch concrete plank, masonry walls on 2nd floor are 11 feet high, another tie beam so the load on that footer is insane. You have to spread it out so you do not end up with any concentrated load points that can cause stress cracking in the walls.
Concrete does not move like wood does.
Call an engineer faggot.
How many illegal immigrants do you and your subcontractors employ, jewboy?
a proper euro quality slab wont crack for a shitty 1-2 story building
>Lives in Florida
Well that sure explains your stupidity.
>But on nice days they always pack into old sections of town
have noticed how different you feel when within those builds? Im not talking about some hipster feel or smth, Im talking FUNCTIONALLY as a human different, you dont feel such a bad headache, air seems more normal even without AC etc…in those modern extra isolation building almost as if there is some radiation/electrcity/chemical build up, I just feel jumpy in them…
>Sand is stable
>Concrete does not move like wood does.
concrete doesnt move it CRACKS with shear since its brittle, that is why you should have installed deep piles
>euro quality slab
no slab is quality.
>How many illegal immigrants do you and your subcontractors employ, jewboy?
I also want to know.
>You say some conflicting things, like "all wood rots" but "this wood splinter and glue board is a good product".
It's a good product when it's kept DRY. If you put the siding on it correctly it will stay DRY.
>Wealth doesn't insulate from this problem, 10+ million dollar houses still get built like shit
Well then you should appreciate the way I'm building my own personal home in those photos.
I agree with what you say about wood homes but they are still a good product. That does not mean there isn't better. I'd never build a wood home for reasons you mentioned but I can afford to build a house out of cement products. That's the key right there. Most people can not afford it. In Florida, as you know, block is required because of the hurricanes. But homes in Florida are not inexpensive either.
>concrete doesnt move it CRACKS with shear since its brittle, that is why you should have installed deep piles
> Deep piles into what? Sand?
You really have no clue what you are talking about.
Holy butthurt Batman, I think we really stung some Jewish buttcheek with this whole construction scam talk. No one is going to convince me that paper mache houses are ok, I've had them and I've had the real thing (grew up in a hiuseade in the 1930s or so, back when cinder blocks were made super thicc and strong). But go ahead with your pilpul "he said Nazism and that's a bad word no one respectable in the racist image board community would ever use".
Your nose is showing, gonna filter you now.
>>How many illegal immigrants do you and your subcontractors employ, jewboy?
>I also want to know.
I don't employ any, so far everyone has been white except the guys that did the forms for the tie beams. They dont know who to do good work so I won't hire any.
>no slab is quality.
I understand how you're dumb enough to think a bunch of the other stupid shit you've said, but how did you come up with that idiocy?
I'm down. I'm so sick of working with this disgusting modern shit that is slowly killing me.
Come visit old town Alexandria, Virginia. Is the best bro
its often advisable to avoid slab enitrely and build on drystone to embrace the soil movement - concrete is not flexible unlike drystone.
>> Deep piles into what? Sand?
yes, you dimwit. Deep piles or helical piles. Either way, Ive seen a house of one local Con-trackot it already cracked after 20years. Con-trackors arent the brightest regarding structure.
>I understand how you're dumb enough to think a bunch of the other stupid shit you've said, but how did you come up with that idiocy?
I aint even mad, you dont know any better, its like you ate shit every day of your life for breakfast and think all food tastes like that.
Cool. lets exchange proton mails?
>Come visit old town Alexandria, Virginia. Is the best bro
Im familiar with old US builds, solid stuff!
i bought a house. its gone up in value from redoing bathrooms/basement/flooring/etc. like way up.
come winter i find that my house has no insulation. my only source of heat is electric baseboards. when it was built it was intended as a vaction home.
insulating it will not really increase its value.
Stainless is much more expensive than "regular" steel.
Also, the key ingredient to stainless is chromium. Chromium is fairly rare and expensive. Vastly rarer than iron.
I will add that there are many different types (IE, qualities) of concrete and that there are many techniques to improve its lifespan and effectiveness. The trouble, as with so many things, is "toxic efficiency" (IE, cheap shit is "better," "lowest bid") as well as the growing idiocratic qualities of the diversity shitholes that our countries are transforming into. "Race to the bottom."
The highest value in society must be something better than "money." Excellence and prosperity, perhaps. Also Volkism, of course.
There are types of concrete that have high-ish insulation qualities. Autoclaved aerated concrete as well as concrete with insulative additives, for example.
Checked and Heil'd.
Many parts of the USA used to have an extensive brick industry.
They were destroyed by "modern methods" in the early 20th century.
Something something jewish immigration something tycoon capitalism something toxic efficiency.
That is the trouble.
Be very wary of rock cutting saws. They can be used to cut rock, and may be the most effective way, but rock dust is EXTREMELY hazardous to lung health. To the extent that a single exposure to active rock sawing can lead to permanent and crippling lung scarring. Done correctly in a controlled environment, and with the dust properly disposed of, it can be safe, though.
OSB is full of poisonous chemicals that are constantly released into the air (including the air inside the house). It is rather appalling material.
Spray foam is likewise poisonous.
Logs expand and contract, yes. The solution is to use chinking that likewise expands and contracts (IE, absolutely not cement). They require their own techniques and care. Some log structures are still in excellent condition after hundreds of years. Much depends on the climate of the area.
>"ALL WOOD ROTS"
Yes. Which is exactly why surrounding your house with plastic that ensures that the water can't escape is unwise.
The only reason why such architecture is "too expensive" is because of endless kikery in the building industry.
Spamming the term "amerimutt" weakens your argument.
At best your argument merely opposes the use of all wood products, rather than supporting the use of OSB as a building material.
Now you are just shilling.
Pretty much this.
That "poor feeling" is likely due to volatiles and particulates. Many modern building materials release harmful chemicals into the air. Glue is a huge contributor. Plywood and OSB are slabs of glue with wood.
this is how you buidl foundations if the soil is bad, not that the con-trackor in this thread would know
>insulating it will not really increase its value.
what are the walls from? whatever you do DO NOT use spray foam
>its often advisable to avoid slab enitrely and build on drystone to embrace the soil movement - concrete is not flexible unlike drystone.
LOL ok whatever dirt dweller.
blown in insulation can help and it's cheaper than pulling down all the drywall to put in fiberglass
>I have no answer so I'll just pretend two thousand year old foundations are bad for no reason
>this is how you buidl foundations if the soil is bad
Sand is not bad soil. It's very stable. it does not expand when it gets wet like clay does, nor is it collapseable like low density soil is.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about.
Read and learn
>Many modern building materials release harmful chemicals into the air. Glue is a huge contributor. Plywood and OSB are slabs of glue with wood.
this is a place where I used to study, all limerock wall 1-2m thick at places, no cement, but limemortat obviously, art deco, Ill admit that big space is cold but the air is so fresh, almost like mountain air.
No insulation obviously, but Im pretty sure that even "safe" insulators like rock wool releases a lot of toxins in air - were they tested for a 20year period? Not even once. Basic cement also probably create a lot of chemicals with time.
>rock is good
>rock is bad
You are actually braindead aren't you?
Funny how he refers to an ideology he subscribes to, pol is a natsoc board after all, by its pejorative rather than its actual name.
>what are the walls from?
thats what i was considering. still very expensive for this size of a house.
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night night anons!
Im leaving you with Fred Dibnah.
what are they made of? can you make an outdoor insulation?
If you know someone that does a lot of reroofing and siding, something in the range of 100+ major jobs a year, they'll say the same.
It's most noticable in high rain regions for obvious reasons.
>There is ZERO difference in water tolerance between OSB and plywood,
Inform us of the key structural differences between plywood and OBS, as well as the multitude of grades and woods available for plywood.
Then tell us the main failure mode for plywood exposed to water.
Compare and contrast that fail mode with OBS.
>Wood fiber is used more efficiently in osb.
So you admit OBS is repurposed garbage.
People stopped buying mulch in the 90s, and there was huge demand for square feet so wood Mills found a way to repackage garbage, just like flax seed.
>shear. Shear values
How's that shear strength matter when skinning a house?
That's right! It doesn't. It's all tensile strength.
And what it's OBS used the most for?
Ask yourself why plywood is used for subfloors, roofs, and good house skinning.
Then ask yourself what engineered lumber is. Protip: it's plywood.
rest of the world is just salty that in america even our poor people are fed well and own a giant piece of land with a two story house
EU and muh construction, have fun with your 70 percent taxes and tiny commie block apartments
we can afford to build billions of family sized houses with our cheap products for half the price of a commie block monthly, and giant mcmansions that cost the same as your 1 bedroom flat so get fucked EU. And then at the same time we also have the best construction you just have to pay for it to be done. Real mansions exist here too, everyone gets a piece. free market baby, we have commie blocks, shit suburban sprawl, mcmansions, actual mansions, all for cheaper and better than you
theyre just drywall. outside is wood/siding.
its not a brick/stone home.
i've used foam to spray around light sockets/switches inside the wall because theres a noticable draft coming from them. the wall is still freezing cold to the touch.
but dont worry. my electric baseboard heaters cranking is fixing that issue. i just sometimes get a 2k electric bill in the winter… thats all.
how does it feel that you successful people in the rest of the world have the same or worse living expenses and conditions as niggers and spics who have no job at all and collect neetbux and smoke weed all day
Go back to reddit, Trumpnigger
15 minutes? Did they do their hair before leaving, what the fuck? I have to think that bit of data comes from crowded 8 story row-houses with tiny crammed stairs or some shit; it literally doesn't make sense that fleeing your house in an emergency would take you 15 minutes on average, (not even 5 tbh), even counting stopping for a baby or grandma this is run out the door mode.
You will soon have water dripping down your sockets.
It is a bad purchase, you can't make it work unless you shell some big bucks. Insulate one room and don't heat others. The power bill will kill you.
take it easy animeboy, here is a pic of nice joinery to calm you down
>theyre just drywall. outside is wood/siding.
what kind of wood siding? OSB with tyvek or smth else? the more specific you the better advice I can give
water? from what? condensation? never heard of insulating foam having condensation.
your advice where i live is unfathomable. not heating certain rooms would cause bursted pipes.
looks like plywood with an outer wrap, but literally nothing inside the walls where spray or fiberglass would usually go.
>but literally nothing inside the walls where spray or fiberglass would usually go.
what MIGHT work great is just stuffing wood dust within that cavity or rock wool? However, risk is electicity but you can DIY it and if it works it will be very warm
pics from outside?
So much this. Owning land and a house upon it is a luxury. Can it be done? Yes, of course - after havin attained basic financial security, never as a financial investment. So much short-sighted, naive goy families getting fucked over, especially here in Krautstan. We're at the height of a hardcore housing bubble and still have about 80.000 forced evictions per year. No mainstream media will ever tell you this.
the old wood is great here in FL. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a wood house pre 1930s. Where in FL are you - I'm working with a guy whose building a house in the Tampa Bay area - with 2 illegal beaners.
from the outside its just alluminum siding. nothing exposed except the concrete at the foundation.
wood dust sounds flammable. isnt fiberglass or that cellulose stuff the way to go? thats what the places aroudn here offer, i just dont have the money yet… just had a new deck put in and a 15k generator/50amp panel.
The alternative to land tax is for you to never be able to own land period. Learn history you fuckwits. If you don't have a land tax, then Schlomoberg Shekelstein the fourth inherits 100000 acres that were acquired back when the population was 1% of what it is now, so land was worth 1% of what it is now. The only thing stopping kikes from buying up everything and making you actually rent is that they have to pay tax on land they hold.
>wood dust sounds flammable. isnt fiberglass or that cellulose stuff the way to go?
all of it is flammable, but wood is predictable flammable, unlike the poly stuff.
Another idea is to cover all your walls from inside with wood to increase isolation but that is expensive…you can get wood dust for free, consider that idea, but be careful with electronics
There is loopholes
farms / agricultural dont pay property taxes like NPCs living in NPC ville.
That entirely depends on the local government and has no bearing on the underlying issue.
Water is from air condensing inside your electrical guides and then dripping down on sockets.
If you you heat only to not have pipes burst, well, you will be in trouble eventually. It is a waste of money, better to get rid of property while it has value.
Same story everywhere
"The rich" is never taxed the same as NPCs beacuse if they where they wouldn't have any assets left.
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>that doesnt help with distribution actually, It is much easier to ship bricks that that big wall, also lifting is much easier. Idk, doesnt seem that better than red brick or concrete brick
I guess it's significantly lighter than the same amount of bricks needed, reducing transportation costs. While providing better insulation without the need of flammable styrofoam plates which could make the walls perspirate and cause fungi and shit.
I can only provide a German docu, if sb is interested. Maybe it's just a scam, I don't know. Seems kinda new, though.
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>radiation/electrcity/chemical build up
No shit. The dust buildup even with all my doors and windows closed is insane.
literally every home in cold areas has risks of pipes bursting. thats most of the united states, anon.
Nothing made in America is meant to last. Fucking electric poles lol. Lazy bitches didn't even bury that shit because they saw all the spics and niggers and figure it wasn't going to last lol.
Anyway, your typical suburban yankee box consists of, chink drywall that will give you a brain tumor, cinder blocks and plywood. Just garbage put together with some cancer causing adhesives off gasing pure posion. People talk about shit in the water but never anything else in the house that might be making them stupid.
>Wrong. ALL WOOD ROTS. OSB is made out of the same wood as plywood only it is STRONGER because the grain runs in all directions rather than just TWO.
Are you kidding me? Have you ever played with a piece of plywood and osb side by side? Plywood is strong as fuck. OSB is weak as fuck. Only an educated retard cannot see this.
What would you advise in the current situation? I don't want to fatten my landlord any more.
>They are designed to take 150 MPH winds
Tiles aren't ideal for hurricanes because tile roofs blow off easily because the wind takes it out from underneath the title, the only reason they used is to lower A/C usage by insulating home from the heat
secondly that roof isn't wooden it's definely metal, it looks like it's made out of zinc or steel alloy.
Well generally insulation on the outside is going to be exposed to the elements. That's bad.
And you have to remember the cavity wall setup is used to deal with the UK environment. Lots of cold damp. The idea of it is to prevent the transfer of damp from the exterior to the interior.
Things like strong winds, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc are not a concern here so construction doesn't take them into account.
As for longevity and structure. There'll be multiple points wherein there is a structural joining element between the two walls.
Overall? These houses have lasted very well. That even now the cavity wall insulation retrofit industry is still alive should tell you all you need to know about the quantity of old buildings still standing.
The Amish do a very particular kind of building very well.
But thats about it.
Funny story. Ryan Homes did a brief foray into UK housing development. They made a number of estates all over the country using American methods.
I literally fell through the walls of one of their houses. Tripped on something in the living room and fell through the wall into the front garden. And I weigh like 60 kilos, mate of mine who is a huge meaty beast could literally just walk through them.
I'd wager it's to prevent wealth transfer between generations. Or at least limit it.
Since thats the biggest threat to the upper class. The possibility of the plebs amassing wealth over generations.
You'd be shocked what you can do to wood to stop it rotting. Tarring used to be popular in the UK. And when I say tar I mean we lathered it on to the point where the whole thing was coated in a layer of tar so thick it soaked into the wood.
For hurricane prone areas I'd recommend flat roofs personally. Something akin to what you often see in central america or the middle east. While they'd require a lot more effort to properly insulate, you'd get less instances of tiles flying fucking everywhere.
dubs. Have a gondola
Look up mass timber framing and structural insulated panels. The future is in new tech.
Not to mention that they are basically coated inside and out with hardcore pesticides to prevent spread of invasive species. You basically have to strip them down wearing hazmat gear, recoat them, and pray the inner surfaces aren't ever exposed again or any further latent chemicals don't leach/offgas through the coating you put on.
Container "houses" are just another jewish meme.
The problem with flat roofs is that the water puddles on the roof unlike pitched roofs which is expensive to fix. Quality shingles are best solution because it more wind resistant than titles.
Flat roofs won't shed water fast enough. I think the thing to avoid is a large overhang to prevent the wind from lifting it and keeping your roof in good repair so you don't have loose shingles/tiles getting ripped off.
IF IT AIN'T STONE, LEAVE IT ALONE
The vast majority of dust is from the organic matter that people constantly shed. Your dead skin cells basically. The reason it builds up when everything is sealed, is because there's not natural airflow that would let the finest particles escape. The fine particles stick to various vertical surfaces, where you notice them. The larger particles fall to the ground were you notice them less.
The more people living in a house, the more that dusting is necessary, if there isn't some forced airflow.
I think either is gonna have the tearing problem.
>I think either is gonna have the tearing problem.
Try losing just one roof title it will cost few thousand dollars, singles are cheaper to fix
I had no idea that 12 year olds could run gun ranges
So what would y’all recommend for someone out on 80 acres of family estate in east Tex? We currently have one 5/4 log cabin that is on a concrete slab and one 1/1 trailer. Me and the wife live in the trailer, while her family live in the cabin. Considering we’re expecting our first in July, should I add on to the trailer, or build a second log house?
Pic related our Sheep and pasture.
North face like Timberland overpiced junk but instead of boots they jackets and coats. Only ghetto niggers and pretentious hispters wear that shit
Yea, but the flat roof will be damaged in normal florida rain and collapse in anything serious. Link includes some of the suggestions for best roof shape to handle extreme winds.
Build a cabin, it will feel better coming home to than a trailer, even if you make additions to it.
Roman structures are structurally sound, they're not just slabs. Just look a the pantheon compared to our modern steal and concrete constructions. The pantheon is masterfully designed with strong and beautiful geometry, thick support columns, and no steel rebar. Steel may reinforce concrete marginally, but it needs to oxidize which will crack the concrete. And the concrete the Romans used is nothing like the shit you use to pave your driveway; it's strong, beautiful, and lasts forever.
ctrf-f "rammed earth" zero results
I'm fucking dissapointed
McMansions are a huge scam.
They're just vanity traps, no good person can look at t a mcmansion and think that they want to spend the rest of their lives there. Or even five years.
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minor storm blew threw NC a few years back. 30-40 mph winds and the frames collapsed. asking price for these townhomes started at $300K.
>have noticed how different you feel when within those builds? Im not talking about some hipster feel or smth, Im talking FUNCTIONALLY as a human different, you dont feel such a bad headache, air seems more normal even without AC etc…in those modern extra isolation building almost as if there is some radiation/electrcity/chemical build up, I just feel jumpy in them…
It is because of thicker walls and high ceilings. Thin walls don't store energy at all and if you do any work you cook yourself immediately
As well as turn on heating, you go from cold to hot in a second.
High ceilings make rooms comfy, even in summer.
>those apartments are some peoples livelihood
They're springing up over the entire fucking city in a 30km radius. Those apartments are like a fungus just inhabited by chinks or used by chinks to park their money.
The faster they all collapse the better.
My family is involved in the construction/real estate industry at every level, and has been for generations.
Here are my tips for buying a home to ensure that your house will last and that your neighbors will be white.
1) Never buy the cheapest house. A relatively small increase (10-15%) in cost can lead to massive improvements in the types of materials used, the quality of the work, and the longevity of your property.
2) In particular, avoid the big, cheap house in a new development. There will be no sense of community as many of your neighbors will be transients. Large developers are THE WORST in building shit tier houses.
3) You want older houses or new houses in old neighborhoods ($$$). Yes, this means you won't get your walk in closet, or your big open kitchen, or your 2 car garage. So what. You will be thanking me when your house isn't robbed every 3 years and when you don't walk in on tyrone fucking your high schooler.
4) Pay close attention to lawns, trees, and general landscaping. Only white people care about this. A well kept yard generally means a good neighbor. Better neighborhoods also have more trees. You might have to rake more, so what.
5) School districts. Live in the best one. The end.
Talk about crabs in a barrel, is there any legal work to intentionally enforces these short time preference housing methods? Because this is some grade a bullshit, I would love a lovely stone house to keep my family in. It doesn't have to be a medieval castle, just good enough to last for generations to come..
The answer to all you niggers problems has already been solved and it has been proven for 50 years now: Earthships.
*They can take a car crashing into them with only plaster damage, while totalling the car
*You can park a dump truck on the roof
*It takes 2 50 caliber bullets in the same hole to penetrate the walls
*I coluld keep going on and on
If you can look past Michael Reynolds being a dirty hippie he is a genius
You have to build outside of any HOA areas because they can wait until you've started building and then force you to pull it down. You can absolutely build with stone, but make sure you check local codes for any kike shit. My state code specifically says you can use any materials you like as long as it meets/exceeds standards, but your area might not.
Mike Oehler is another hippy who built an underground house. Give him a look too, I prefer his house layout over Reynolds, but both are pretty cool.
I'm not an expert on house building or architecture in any way, but I can appreciate plans that focus on natural growth and sustainability. I just have a really big disdain for the aesthetics of what they build with, looks very hippyish and dumb. I wish they had a nationalist version of that which used european methods of building.
I'd also love to do building programs for people in poverty who ARE EUROPEAN. Such as Romanians in Moldova, Scots-Irish in Appalachia, etc. we just don't have the common drive or capital for it sadly.
Good point anon, thanks
Construction faggot here, thank you OP for SCRATCHING THE SURFACE on how cucked the house industry is. I wish I could add something, but it would be easier to list the things done right: nothing.
This is not shitposting or me trying to br funny, remember the story of the 3 little piggies? Now compare it to how are houses are done. Literally everything that is "standard" is a shit nest… literally an accident waiting to happen, and a huge debt that you paid to get yourself into. I feel like going back to Peru and applying my own construction method I created, but the goyim property taxes are even more cucked than in here.
I really wish there was something meaningful I could say, but even just explaining the principles of an aspect of what I had to come up with would take a lot from me. I'm about to be 28 in 15 days, and lately I've been feeling exhausted and somewhat blackpilled. I'm not depressed (although I just read "I am a hero" and the ending made me feel lonely for like 2 hours), and I'm not saying being blackpilled cannot have its benefits like turning a manchild into a man. However, EVERYTHING in the house industry is wrong, there are a few golden nuggets here and there, but the practices and mentality is almost without saving.
I might just have to make an example so others can copy, but I feel some (((contractor))) will patent my ideas afterwards. At least I already made another company for this, but I guess I'm just disgusted with everything.
t. Texas anon
Pure spam falsehood. You can make a and tax based upon minimums, like surpass 5k square feet of housing and 50 acres of land, pay a tax on it. If its the second property you own, pay a tax on it. Same with car, one primary per person goes untaxed, maybe a second for utility. This squeezes the rich only, ask yourself how many people you know owning multiple units? Heavily jewish that sector. Honestly coming here saying taxes have to exist on primary dwellings is pure kike.
> back to peru
If beaner, leave
The problem is (((zoning laws))) my anon friend. They are designed by banksters. Construction methods are just the symptoms of a deeper epidemic.
Picture attached is illegal in virtually every town in the US. Unless youre a polar bear or an eagle egg, you're not allowed to live off the land. Look but don't touch.
Lumber can not be cut down for a cabin unless you have a (((license))). They keep the dead lumber to rot in the forrest in case they need to start a wild fire later to pay state (((tax bills))) with emergency fed cash.
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Feels good having a living culture of log house building.
Blame the bankers and fake news media. They push the trends. They'll be glad to hand out loans later to fix those moisture problems or tear down and rebuild.
Also, the media in conjunction with banksters have a way of trending housing styles. They're in the business of giving loans, not paid off long lasting housing solutions.
Look at dark cabinets. They trend every say 25 years? In between the are terribly out dated and you can never sell a home with them. Buyers (in fairness to them) even if they like them are afraid to buy knowing something "out of current date" is hard to sell.
Add a room, no wait open concept, no wait add a wall for quiet space, no wait open it up.
Light decor was all the rage in the 90s. Then it went to dark decor, now its going back to "lighten things up, make it look like a bigger space"
>What would you advise in the current situation? I don't want to fatten my landlord any more.
Fattening your landlord is infinitely preferrable to fattening your bank, as they will ultimately charge you much more. Most people have NO idea about the real costs of owning land and housing in Germany, and the overwhelming majority of families make a net loss, despite what the huge immo industry is saying. To be straightforward: anyone buying real estate right now is an idiot, the market is overheated on 2008/US levels, although it might take a few years more until the bubble pops. Be frugal, save money, stay out of stocks, and when the inevitable breakdown comes - THEN buy, if you want.
..not to mention all the public building projects crumbling from the inside out from the "clever" steel reinforced concrete idea. Its like soaking rebar in a wet sponge for +10 years and rusting it away.
Once I broke out of the lolberg mindset I began to see how groups in every possible industry have a commercial interest in destroying everything I hold to be conducive to living a good life. As I get older, I remember something my great grandfather said, without cracking a smile, at a family reunion when I was young. I told him I was thinking of being a doctor when I grew up, and he asked why. I said, to help people, of course. And he replied, and I'll never forget the seriousness of his face:
>What makes you think doctors want their patients to get better? If everyone were healthy all the time, they'd be out of work. A good doctor fixes enough of the problem to get paid, but leaves enough of the problem so you have to keep coming back.
I laughed because I was young and naive and thought he was cracking a joke.
Across the street my neighbor lives in a log cabin with siding that was built in 1826.
So that cracking is directly related to the contractor cutting corners and lazy craftsmanship. If those dipshits did what they were supposed to, you wouldn't see that cracking. The idiot contractor wanted to save some money and figured they could shave off a small amount of concrete from the structure. I see this all the damn time.
I have seen basically identical concrete structures that are 50 years old and 5 years old where the older one looks better because the people building it then actually gave a fuck about what they were doing.
But please, do tell me how reinforced concrete is a just a "clever" trick as you seem to imply. If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it.
>In fairness, it's volcanic 'superconcrete'.
It's standard pozzolan stuff (yes that's the name for it) just used in a higher concentration, and by that i mean it's standard cement without a couple of additives. Concrete is when you mix it with other stuff like gravel and sand, reinforced concrete is placing steel structures in it like a skeleton, old timey concrete was placing big rocks.
Most of this thread is a bunch of dummies talking out their ass, but there's a few folks here that i can see they work in the industry with a moderate experience behind them. Please listen to them, construction is a retarded mixture of many kinds of systems, most of them which might seem contradictory with the climate they are build in and even others systems and they are
>OP wants us all to build mold-infested stone huts that cost a fortunes to maintain and repair and that no one knows how to build anymore.
Placed school sports photos + city and crime map as the demographic evaluation, and place it that rule on top of all other rules. This handles the immediate locale. To evaluate the street, use the presence of natural walls and barriers, with the more tall-block-out-the-light trees and less open shitskin-zerg-rush spaces the better. To evaluate any home, apply addition rules only after the aforementioned. Finally, the presence of basements + the grade of their cement, and the presence of 2-3ft of actual rock before the brickline, are also decent predictors of a specific house's quality.
On topic to the thread, detailing makes the difference, and detailing is horribly inferior on virtually all new houses and commercial buildings I've had to maintain/advise on. The best thing that euro structures have going for them, is the old understanding of water = build 4-6ft overhangs, tiered floor overhangs, and use old growth materials. I have seen success in customers asking for large overhangs, but zero (or kike lies) success in attaining older wood for anything. Tight water barriers are mandated, so no getting around those, regardless whether you want them or not.
All the good property homes have been turned into McHyperMansions. The two story house I grew up in was bought out by a eternal anglo britcuck globalist, who then flipped it for 200x the value. Same story for every house on the block. All the one story homely houses are gone. I will never be able live where I grew up. Though builders, and flippers, both local and international, have used building as a cash flow, I don't like it. And I don't think it can continue. Commercial properties litter the cities now, like abandoned shopping malls. Like some other anons have stated, the ever growing mass of shitskins and state employees do not buy homes.
That old growth cedar is just… Amazing.
>tfw will never be able to have an old growth cedar house
Hey Slavbro, what do you think about building solid walls out of aerated concrete blocks? As in Ytong or one of the other lesser known brands.
You build a solid wall so no need to bother with insulation, and it seems like it is also suitable for novice builders.
Building on a good foundation and with nice overhanging roofs, it should last a long time right?
>I can only provide a German docu, if sb is interested. Maybe it's just a scam, I don't know. Seems kinda new, though.
Thing is that there a lot of those new materials that are hyped every year, 90% prove to have serious problems after 20 years which they werent even tested for. So its hard to trust something that wasnt tested with time already.
Regarding size, you dont need any heavy machinery to do the RC+red brick house with 2 floors which isnt the case with those preformed walls you posted and that price can build up.
is that the reason so few of you Krauts own houses? when did it started? Situation in Croatia is only similar in price of urban apartments, houses are affordable.
>Tripped on something in the living room and fell through the wall into the front garden.
>While they'd require a lot more effort to properly insulate, you'd get less instances of tiles flying fucking everywhere.
look pic related, we have winds up to 300kmh on the coast, and Ive never seen a flying terra tile. Just cement the edges.
Trick is to build a HEAVY roof and a HEAVY house - in Dalmatia we dont do overhangs since walls are rock so no damage, but Swiss take the other approach - huuuge overhangs, but with heavy roofs, often slates.
You would be very happy with a rock house there or at least rock foundation with basement to keep you cool. =save big bucks on AC
I watched an older 1970s building burn the other day. 2 hours of uninterrupted fire on the inside, and the only thing you can tell from the outside is smoke damage. It was an old wooden bar. Fire dept. didn't want to enter until the owner showed up to ensure that there were no chemicals to be wary of inside.
2 Fucking hours. The structure itself is mostly still intact.
>no one knows how to build anymore.
That's not true, there's a bunch of people that know how to build them all of them mexican immigrants that charge extra due to artisanal labor
There are original concrete sections of the Autobahn still in use today. Meanwhile I94 near me is just falling apart. They recently redid a section near me, and completely fucked up the grade and crown, so now water pools on the road surface, causing hazardous conditions every time they throw rust accelerators down onto the freeway, without pushing the snow off first; thereby creating dangerous slop that tires can't tread at any speed.
Holy fuck, I hate the roads and road construction/maintenance companies in the Midwest. It's an un-parralelled fucking boondoggle, and it's done on purpose to ensure job security for the maintenance and construction crews, it's criminal, it's deadly, (did I mention it's dangerous?) and it needs to end post haste.
Forgot to mention that they completely redid the road bed, yet kept it to two lanes, instead of adding room for 3, even though it's consistently congested through here, and we're in a rural area! Nothing but fucking trucks 24/7, and they are objectively the most inconsiderate, and most dangerous drivers out there.
> Them puddles in first pic
> Impervious to nearly everything
…except water. It's always going to be wet in there.
Good builds! But I dislike the hippie image, lets make them look more "everyday"
high risk of moisture or collapse, I recommend to avodi look here instead>>12620036
I posted that castle when I did this thread on half, were you there?
>However, EVERYTHING in the house industry is wrong, there are a few golden nuggets here and there, but the practices and mentality is almost without saving.
another thing, have you noticed how UTTERLY WASTEFULL those mofos are…"oh, it seems like we have a leftover of some 200 kitchen tiles from the job" *throws it in the trash*, then I can go on and on about wastefull use of materials etc.
RC simply isnt a long lasting method no matter how well its done. I has a place but imagine the cost of tearing down all post ww2 bridges made out of RC.
>>What makes you think doctors want their patients to get better? If everyone were healthy all the time, they'd be out of work. A good doctor fixes enough of the problem to get paid, but leaves enough of the problem so you have to keep coming back.
treat doctors and contractors like used car salesmen
> mold-infested stone huts that cost a fortunes to maintain and repair
you have no idea my dude…
>That old growth cedar is just… Amazing.
check this out >>12617029
I suggest QUITTING WOOD ENTIRELY, not because wood houses are bad, but because there literally isnt wood of enough quality to build
>Hey Slavbro, what do you think about building solid walls out of aerated concrete blocks? As in Ytong or one of the other lesser known brands.
I call that method the Croatian Shit Shack, we wither use Ytong for loading beams or RC beams for load, RC floors and sometimes even roof. rest is red aired brick which is better thermally and less toxic than concrete blocks, but it still needs outward isolation in colder climates…I would like to build myself a house that way without the cancerous isolation, but by doing a double monowall (2 aired brick thickness), that might be enough for temperature. Noone did the double monowall here, everyone does with insulation
This is high quality PLEB method of build which is great for most people, but Im not saying this is a build for millenia
>RC simply isnt a long lasting method no matter how well its done. I has a place but imagine the cost of tearing down all post ww2 bridges made out of RC.
I recommend you read into cob. It's a traditional UK way of building.
> That lap joined bed
Seen this pic before and it's meme tier. You can make that semi durable by slanting the cutout in the boards and using tough hardwood but it is still at risk of breaking out when stressed laterally. In other words, this bed is not really suitable for fucking on.
>breaking out when stressed laterally
interesting point, so you recomment just use basic mortisse-tennon on bed joinery for durability instead of complicating?
Essentially, yes. For beds, I usually use blind mortises and recess the tenon side a bit so the whole thing looks nicer, but that's just cosmetics. Also, two dowels because then the joint cannot rotate if you cut off too much somewhere.
Yes, if the chuch was attacked the men could draw swords faster.
So you don't like it because of the (potential) toxicity? It is certainly less natural than red brick
With your method (1st pic >>12617006 )
you are still stacking different materials vertically or is that less of a problem because only the bricks are load bearing?
I was looking for a supplier and more info because the hollow red bricks aren't that common here (NL) and stumbled upon pic related.
Walls 50 cm thicc and no need for other materials. Should be a near perfect building material right?
Interesting thread by the way!
>is that the reason so few of you Krauts own houses?
Measured by median income (2.500-3.800 brutto (!), depending on the region), still too many of my compatriots "own" houses. Scare quotes because until you paid off the last eurocent, the house of course belongs to the bank.
>when did it started?
In full force since the ECB lowered interest to marginal levels since the mid-2000s. It's the same game what led to the 07/09 crisis in the US, giving housing loans to people who have no business of even thinking about owning real estate. The ugly truth is - don't laugh, I have hard numbers to prove it - that Germans as a whole are among the poorest people of the EU. One should never confound the strength of an economy with the well-being of the individual citizen. Today's China and 19th century Britain are proof of that.
>Situation in Croatia is only similar in price of urban apartments, houses are affordable.
I congratulate you, like Poland and Czech Republic you profit from being an EU member without having the Euro. Very smart.
>So you don't like it because of the (potential) toxicity? It is certainly less natural than red brick
not only because of potential toxicity of isolation (lets be real its plastic it cant be healthy), but since you are stacking materials vertically, in can mouisture gets in between all of it will get swollen - that being said Ive seen 30-40yo builds that way and rarely do see problems.
Also keep in ming that concrete also isnt good for your health, unlike red bricks which are made out of clay which is a much more straight-forward and eco friendly material - which is why I would avoid concrete block + concrete blocks are more water pourouss than very water resistant clay bricks.
Either way, doing a double wall might even turn out cheaper, I have no idea why it isnt more common to try isolating that way.
How do you isolate walls in NL?
Also, its not that shinny, after the whole credits in swiss franques skeme, weve seen A LOT of evictions but mainly from apartments purchased on credit.
another thing why Im for double wall is that with good choice of brick (the smooth surface ones you have in the north - look at your builds where the brick is "exposed", we call that one the "facade brick" and they arent that common) you might be able to avoid even making a facade…facades are a money drain in the long run, but still its a fixable problem.
We are having big problems with old facade builds here and all of them need complex new facades.
Each one of those photos is an instance that supports the opposite. The only thing each one of those photos support is that it precisely matters how it is done. The UK was especially bad at it, pre- and post- WW2.
In order to show that it doesn't matter how –well– it is done, you must show instances of –well– failing as well. Instances of the shit eternal anglos pulled does. not. count.
Excellent thread, very interesting
Anyone here use Revit or other software to design homes?
>The only thing each one of those photos support is that it precisely matters how it is done.
point is that RC shows signs of aging fast unlike stone or brick - these skyscrapers are design to take a serious earthquake, built in 1968 and are still solid, but concrete is just dropping away and it looks like shit…but with long bridges its a total gamble in terms of lasting.
Archicad is the way to go, at least for BIM's
If you say you know how to use Revit you are going to get pigeonholed as a draftsman for years until you go solo. Archicad will simply not land you a job by itself, at least in the american continent.
didn't they have that in plantation houses?
I remember seeing that in movies and Luigi's mansion 2 for 3ds, I think its Wood lath wall or something
>How do you isolate walls in NL?
Cavity wall, so double wall with a gap in between. Originally build without insulation in between, but older buildings have been retrofitted I think, and with rising energy prices double brick wall with insulation material in between became standard.
Other methods are used as well though, using larger concrete elements, but I'm no expert.
The housing market is absolute dogshit. We have more than 700 billion mortgage debt at the moment.
It's one of the reasons why I'm interested in self building. If I have to take a loan 8x my yearly net income I might as well take a year off and build my own home instead.
I think it takes much less then a year to create a, partially, livable home.
To add to it. Insulation is starting to become really important because we have a bunch of absolute retards at the wheel. We have top tier gas infrastructure, almost every house is connected, but now they want to get off the gas because of muh CO2. At the moment when the rest of the world is moving towards natural gas because it is cleaner. They are already raising the tax on natural gas and plan to keep doing that.
We are supposed to install heat pumps. These still need power to run, so the grid will need heavy upgrades and that is not even mentioning the fact that the power will need to be generated in the first place.
>[sic] rebar concrete ages fast, cannot be done well, etc
Again, cherry picked. You must first choose those that are done well, and then show that they fail, and per your claim, fail fast. This is hard to do: well built structures are often well maintained enough to not offer attestation, where as both the cement and foundations and rebar of the pre- and post- WW2 Europe was built for speed of construction, communism, and crony nepotistic socialism (systems that don't give a damn what they build, nor often take care of them). The Morandi Bridge proves precisely this. The Richter skyscrapers prove precisely this. Etc.
>contrast to brick and stone, imply no fast fail
See the USA for fast fail brick. Brick masonry in the USA is strange, compared to Europe: Very often there are 0 granite or rock bases; The brick and mortar are nearly universally at ground water table (the opposite of what you are supposed to do). Further, the mortar chosen, and both the brick and brick pattern chosen, are often also fail. In contrast, Europe has lots of brickwork, particularly old brickwork only, which is actively maintained, and, being old, is oldfag good (stone base, good mortar, maintained and repaired constantly, good brick pattern, etc).
In many ways, the rebar vs brick situations are reversed for USA v Europe. Europe doesn't lend itself well to State-level maintenance projects (thus their concrete and rebar fail). Etc.
In order to demonstrate fast fail under all conditions, you must show –well– done also fast failing. To which well done rebar and concrete doesn't (often in the USA). To which well done brick+mortar+stone doesn't (often in Europe).
>natgas, infrastructure gas, taxes, greenshit
Russia still fucking you over? The gas situation in Europe is about international energy, and the greenshit is about globohomo research/academics and narratives for national tax hikes + destruction of independents. in short, a rock, and a hard place. Both of which are gateway controlled by kikes, and are lose-lose to any who fall for them. This same pattern is replicated through various means across the first world.
If you wish to stay sane, try not to lose sight of this larger picture. Especially when building homes.
Thanks for mentioning this construction form. Never heard of it before.
Just found a specialized constructor near me.
Discovery Channel/Tribune Media owns DIY Network/HDTV (along with Food Network and Cooking Channel) Brainwashing and driving up costs of Illegal Alien LABOR heavy jobs.
When an RV Trailer "Park Model" can be purchased FURNISHED for the same price, oh but rules for parking a permanent trailer… (note; not a mobile home)
Now that i think of it, did any one of you fellas posted on /arch/? that showed promise but it needed more construction posters other than idea guys
I'm confused now.
Do I build my house out of stone or is that going to mold? What do i do to avoid being cucked?
What's weird about the house whose wall I fell through is that from the outside it looked like brickwork. But it was really this weird facade made of some painted plastic stuff.
Surprised the fuck out of everyone.
I think it was fairly common in the USA too in some of the damper areas. But with wooden construction obviously.
Also for those talking about reinforced concrete.
It can work quite nicely but it requires a lot of factors to come together.
First you need the right kind of and amount of concrete. Which is often expensive and thus undesirable in the eyes of many companies who will just cut corners here to save money since it'll last ten or so years anyways.
Second you need the rebar to be properly treated. Which is again money nobody wants to spend. So often they'll get cheaper uncoated rebar that they then leave to sit on site for months during construction exposed to the elements.
Third is material handling. You need to ensure you don't leave shit like rebar out in the open for long periods, you need to make sure if your rebar is coated you don't scratch off the coating as you're moving it around and that if you do then you reapply in the area in question and make sure theres no moisture trapped anywhere.
Finally moisture control. You gotta really put a lot of effort in here. Any water or damp or whatever anywhere will destroy your building over time if you get it trapped in there. This is what kills most reinforced concrete builds. They pour during wet weather or let their rebar get condensation on it. Moisture gets trapped everywhere.
Idiots go "oh well concrete is wet so all good" but no its not all good.
>It's one of the reasons why I'm interested in self building.
Ive never seen a cavity wall build IRL.
Regarding cavity walls do they have some innate problems like mices getting in etc? Where do you put your electronics? Here we just make cavities from inside and over put plaster.
Im having doubts about having such a big gap in the wall since a lot of can go wrong, but that is just initial impression. Either way, if you do cavity youll get better results with combingin it with airedbrick + RC beams, but keep in mind that aired brick isnt as simple to drill in.
>post- WW2 Europe was built for speed of construction, communism, and crony nepotistic socialism (systems that don't give a damn what they build, nor often take care of them). The Morandi Bridge proves precisely this. The Richter skyscrapers prove precisely this. Etc.
This is where you are wrong, communists builds were built like t-34 tanks. Total overbuilds, we have here apartment builds that were explicitle build as temporary places of 20years, now they are almost 60yo and in better shape than OSB builds in america.
Richter skyscrper as ghetto as it looks can survive major quakes and STILL doesnt have structural problems, only ugliness of raw concrete.
>In many ways, the rebar vs brick situations are reversed for USA v Europe. Europe doesn't lend itself well to State-level maintenance projects (thus their concrete and rebar fail). Etc.
Im actually a fan of using concrete in residential construction, look here>>12620517, its used on smaller scales and COVERED so you wont see that big of damage, also its very fast to build that way and extremly durable + it doesnt require high expert dark art style knowledge like that of stone masons or wood workers.
With civil engeneering RC becomes a gamble you must control…
>Do I build my house out of stone or is that going to mold? What do i do to avoid being cucked?
build it pic rel, its very straight forward and reliable
>What's weird about the house whose wall I fell through is that from the outside it looked like brickwork. But it was really this weird facade made of some painted plastic stuff.
such a con artist level build.
as a comlete noob to building i think the basic thing to take away from this thread is
>dont trust any standard shit
>rely on legacy tech and materials that have been used for over 20 years and are proven to work
>avoid glue based construction materials and techniques as it degrades and releases toxins
>layer your building horizontally for strength thanks to gravity
>concrete is shit unless its expensive and good roman concrete?
>rebar is shit
>Better to have thicker walls for insulation than layered walls because moisture builds up inbetween layers and fucks your house
>the jews are behind this as well
Did i miss anything?
>>rely on legacy tech and materials that have been used for over 20 years and are proven to work
>>avoid glue based construction materials and techniques as it degrades and releases toxins
THIS. avoid all plastics
>>layer your building horizontally for strength thanks to gravity
>>concrete is shit unless its expensive and good roman concrete?
>>rebar is shit
NOT SO FAST.
RC is overrespected indeed, but the biggest problems with RC are with civil construction, not residentials where you usually have a fasade and smaller area of RC.
Infact, RC is underused for residential where it provides a fortrress of a house and is built very fast and for low ammount of money and labour.
Mind you, that build will never last as a stone house, but is a very solid earthqake and fire resistant temporary option that isnt a money drain (50-100years)
American building methods are just weird.
We started peeling off the facade and found a load of that building wrap stuff. Never seen it before so we were all pretty confused by what it was.
In the long run the majority of the estate was demolished because the developer that Ryan had partnered with deemed the houses completely unsatisfactory. Ryan Homes shut down their UK branch not long after.
Now cavity wall housing. You can get mice and stuff. But generally its not a problem unless they also make their way through the inner wall.
In which case the usual response is to just get a cat or put down some poison/traps.
Electrical lines aren't put in the cavity. Unless they're going through to the outside of the building.
Generally in the UK they go under the plasterboard which is put over the interior brick wall on a wooden frame.
You can put electrical lines in the cavity. But they need to be protected from damp, animals, etc. Normally not the method used.
The modern method of cavity wall construction is to have the outer wall with an insulation layer attached to the interior side of it.
Then a cavity between the insulation layer and the inner wall.
Should be obvious but use anti-mold cement as adhesive/grout for tiling in bathrooms and kitchen, surprised how many workers jew with this one because it's not that expensive. I don't know about using it all over the house because i've never done it.
You are the pro here but
>built very fast and for low ammount of money and labour
It's hellishly expensive in many parts of the world, but i agree that the numbers might scare some people but at the end of the day the client/user ends up saving a ton of money in wages only as concrete is done in a single sitting (or at least should be done to avoid cold unions). You need really good workers for the formwork and finishing i have to say, so that may up the costs again.
>We started peeling off the facade and found a load of that building wrap stuff. Never seen it before so we were all pretty confused by what it was.
its (((Tyvek))), total idiocy. Its becoming more frequent here as weel - total scam.
The entirey house is relying on AC because Tyvek can breather naturally
>You can put electrical lines in the cavity. But they need to be protected from damp, animals, etc. Normally not the method used.
my thought also, its always better to install cables in a way its easier to fix them…tell that to drywall/Knauf afficionados where they are stuck in between walls and you cant even drill the wall safely. Some american in one thread acused me of making electronic installation complex, where in facts its extremly simple you just use a masonry chissel.
Generally, Im against cavity walls, it seems like more time conusming build and structurally they are weaker (ive seen videos of them collapsing which never happens to a monowall)
>It's hellishly expensive in many parts of the world,
>You need really good workers for the formwork and finishing i have to say, so that may up the costs again.
Not here, those houses are a total meme here when they dont have the facades. Almost always they are self-built by owners are friends who have experience (now it became illegal from what I know).
How can it be expensive? Concrete isnt price, nor is rebar.
what country are you from? Im seriously considering starting a construction business - "Bombproof RC houses"
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-count the number of workers in the video
-count the expense of tools
-this is max 6 months work for a big 2 floor house
building RC + red brick is DIRT CHEAP
I lived in Arizona now i'm in North Mexico
You can guess the rest, things are very different from one another, even between rural AZ and the jewtropolis, Tucson is a mixed bag.
How do these guys make the dense concrete roof? or do they use the beam+panel system? seems like a ton of material for one of 2 men with a simple mixer.
Just to mention as trivia that we used to read about yugoslavian concrete work at public school, sounds random but spumenik are seen as alien technology for our lowly plywood casts system. No wonder your guys can make stairs in a day.
>How do these guys make the dense concrete roof?
they just put more rebar, spacers and what looks like electronic housing (red plastic).
Its literally stuff I see everyday, wood houses here are exotic.
Oh ok, the usual, i just find odd how a couple of dudes can make that much material AND operate the shooter.
That looks like beam+panel, although i don't know about drowning connections horizontally, seems risky instead of a small vertical tube that immediately goes into the lower level and then gets hidden in a fake ceiling or into the corners.
Cavity wall exists to deal with a particular kind of environment. Damp is a serious problem in the UK.
Less so in the cities due to urban heatsink.
But in the majority of the country it's a common driving factor in design. A monowall build being a lot more susceptible to damp and mould.
I've never seen one collapse on its own. Generally speaking they're built well enough with sufficient structural supports to prevent it. But it can happen in shoddy builds or if you fuck up the structural elements by modifying them wrong or damaging them.
Learning how to build in a distant land here, anon.
but you can't build anything good - every aspect is a build is outlines in 'codes', and inspected at $$$ by council. Screws, nails, wrapping, all defined in code that dooms you from the start.
I'm at a bit of a loss on how to do it. Might just live in a bus until an earthquake rips the land in half, then do whatever the fuck i like with local trees since the council will be powerless for decades. Log house looks good / best. Not 100% how to prevent rising damp without resorting to plastics.
i wonder how much better bamboo would be as a rebar replacement. Seems like a much more resilient fibre.
>That looks like beam+panel, although i don't know about drowning connections horizontally
you mean electronics? I also dont like to see them within concrete, Imagine changing them…
Someone else operated the Concret shooter, but generally, you dont need nearly as much people, its very simple actually.
>Cavity wall exists to deal with a particular kind of environment. Damp is a serious problem in the UK.
I havent taken that into account, thanks! Would that system work in USA damp areas?
building codes here involve digging out to 5 m, then backfilling and compressing with gravel ($$$ inspecting at each layer) before pouring a thin RC slab over polystyrene.
Apparently that's going to provide earthquake resistance.
As I understand a lot of old southern houses (the plantation style) in the more swampy areas are cavity wall builds but with wood instead of brick.
I'm not really sure it would be good to use brick, as the ground in the USAs damp areas is typically very soft so you need quite dramatic raised foundations.
Raised foundations in general being very common in the USA though you're moving to concrete slab foundations of late. Compared to packed earth and brick which is one of the more common approaches in the UK as our groundsoil is a lot tougher.
>Cavity wall exists to deal with a particular kind of environment. Damp is a serious problem in the UK.
another thing regarding cavities and damp…if it controls outside damp, shouldnt you NOT insulate the cavity so that moisture can go away?
>building codes here involve digging out to 5 m, then backfilling and compressing with gravel
that isnt a bad method, gravel provides a certain "float" effect/impact absorbtion from the ground so the movement isnt transfered to slab in full motion
Nah the moisture drains out. Assuming you put proper airbricks and drainage in.
With cavity wall insulation retrofits this is a serious problem and one thats generally mitigated by sealing up all the drains for the cavity and using a hydrophobic insulating material.
I'm sure its good up until a certain level of shake, or frequency of shake. Hit the resonance point of the pit and its gig to be either instant liquefaction or instant solid.
Real problem is it is insanely expensive.
Thanks, but what if I didn't want it to look like shit?
>I'm sure its good up until a certain level of shake, or frequency of shake. Hit the resonance point of the pit and its gig to be either instant liquefaction or instant solid.
correct, its still better than nothing.
>Thanks, but what if I didn't want it to look like shit?
build it any way you want but build it structurally strong.
>With cavity wall insulation retrofits this is a serious problem and one thats generally mitigated by sealing up all the drains for the cavity and using a hydrophobic insulating material.
this probably results in insulation rotting with time, those aditional jobs on house are almost always hack jobs.
Quite possibly and when it starts to happen I wager there'll be good money in the cavity wall insulation retrofit removal business.
Tho its often a polymer based foaming insulation. So I'm not sure how that stuff reacts over time.
Here's a question. What interior do you guys want?
Also should prospect college students consider the idea of owning a tiny house to avoid dorms, and have a place to live after engineering school?
First 4 all have their own charms.
Fifth is ugly.
what are your thoughts on walk in fridges?
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these 2 guys seem like ok regular family men dudes, but this is everything that is wrong with construction, try counting the grain on that cheap pine they build with when it zooms and be frightenend, be VERY frightened
>and when it starts to happen I wager there'll be good money in the cavity wall insulation retrofit removal business.
I can bet you there will be idiots with tribal tatoos getting rich on it…its a grotesque comedy. I mean you dont have to be ultra smart to think about water movement and how it affects your house and people still allow it to happen to them…
>Here's a question. What interior do you guys want?
why does it matter? are you gay?
I want to see raw walls ideally or just basic lime plaster, nothing special, interiors are totally secondary to solid structure which is the biggest problem
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its totally surreal on what level scams are present to make us all poor and homeless
>3rd pic holy crap what a disgusting fraud that building is
That would be the wonderful EIFS scam
You mean a refridgerated pantry?
Well to be fair. It was a decent idea. Thermal insulation of existing properties was insufficient. It had become unusual to wear multiple layers of thick clothing inside the home and clothing in general wasn't as thick or as woolen anymore.
Heating systems were more distributed and less focused.
The needs had changed. So buildings had to be retrofitted to meet them.
And its not that people didn't consider these things. There are numerous measures designed to prevent this.
You do get serious mould problems when these measures aren't followed through or done incorrectly like this one
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Oh good lord. Is this nigga serious?
You have to do shit like this in the USA?
A PRESSURE TEST?
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>It had become unusual to wear multiple layers of thick clothing inside the home and clothing in general wasn't as thick or as woolen anymore.
This is worldwide, people have stopped wearing sweaters inside - I absoltuly hate it when in this winter I enter a government building and I START SWEATING in my parka, indoor heat is that high and people inside are in summer shirts, when did wearing a sweater become a problem?
The air in those ultra warm buildings is also worse, probably has lower oxygen levels which is why many people feel dizzy when entering or get asthma longterm. Count in the numerous post adaptations that cuase problems and heating prices…why?
horrible…and they mock euros about bureaucracy. Basically, you need to build it in a way to get asthma
It varies county by county, but yes POZed cities have obscene decadent codes.
Half the time the problems he's citing could be solved with a fucking proper cavity wall build.
Or even just not using the wrong materials.
That balcony looks like it would crumble under the first step a fat burger takes on it. Enjoy your lawsuits.
>That balcony looks like it would crumble under the first step a fat burger takes on it.
have you ever heard about "reinforced concrete"?
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check out this utter STUPIDITY
he just layered crap upon crap and glued it and expects it to somehow hold together, check out the non existing roof on that house
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>all his arguments are basically against proper building contruction and it's use of proper material while making it sound (((reasonable))) and (((logical)))
>goes to insult anons after his semantics didn't work
I think you will fit right in among peterstein's occult club nigger
>I've had to become learned in heaps of shit I don't give a flying fuck about to either do it myself right or get a decent job done.
I've had to do this for a long time, I've heard tons of stories like yours from people that got screwed and from decent contractors that have dealt with this shit for decades.
some quick tips so you anon's don't get fucked or make the same mistakes I did.
DO NOT TRUST home inspectors. if it's not a deathtrap they'll call it good in my experience. get a friend or family member check it out too, more eyes the better.
run copper for water lines you use for drinking and bathing. PEX is good for everything else as it's cheap as shit and easy to use, if you use it as a supple line it'll have a plastic taste and it sucks.
get a simple outlet tester, I've seen so many backwards or ungrounded receptacles it's crazy nothing has caught fire.
if you hire out for a new roof, have a third party roofer inspect as they work. it'll only be a few hundred bucks and could save you thousands if they try to cut corners.
check gutters for bending and the ground beneath for erosion, easy sign of a lazy ass owner that never cleared them out.
check water proofing and weather sealing, nuff said.
if the basement's unfinished and freshly painted/power washed, something's going on, look around for water ingress. if it's finished ask about the sump pump and how it's setup, if it even has one. also check for cracks and mold. if it's at the bottom of a hill, congrats you'll have water issues.
if it has cast iron drains expect clogs on the smaller pipes, just skip over all other pipe cleaning methods and get it hydro jetted to avoid the headache later.
>Home ownership is a misery.
just dealing with it is. I don't even own a house.
Structural Cardboard. Well done America, well done.
>You probably can't think of any building in the world that lasted that long
This is what peak burger looks like.
>see building that are 600+ years old
Excellent thread, anons.
Do any anons reading this have first hand-experience with rammed earth? It's an ancient building method utilizing compressed earth - a specific mixture/proportion of the locally (usually on-site) available clay, silt, and sand. Forms are set in place, filled with the soil, and rammed (compacted). The forms are removed the next day and the walls are as hard as concrete. Rammed earth has the advantage of being simple, effective, breathable, bug-proof, rodent-proof, fire-proof, and provides thermal mass, and is a relatively inexpensive building material. Depending on ones means and creativity the rammed earth can look very basic or aesthetically pleasing.
Traditionally I don't think rammed earth was insulated, although some modern builders put a layer of rigid insulation in the middle of the rammed earth. I wonder - if the outer walls were really thick - like approx 1 meter - if all that thermal mass would be enough to maintain a stable inside temperature? Also how would one run wiring and plumbing in rammed earth? My thinking is to lay electrical conduit and pipes and then ram the earth over it effectively sealing it all inside the wall. Of course this option would make it near impossible to reach the pipe in case of a necessary repair, so I am unsure about that.
Really I wouldn't bother trying to run them through it. Though you could maybe chisel out a path in the wall then cover it up?
Sometimes you just go to accept that plumbing and cables will be in plain view.
>Traditionally I don't think rammed earth was insulated, although some modern builders put a layer of rigid insulation in the middle of the rammed earth. I wonder - if the outer walls were really thick - like approx 1 meter - if all that thermal mass would be enough to maintain a stable inside temperature?
Honestly, I have no idea why do we even use (((isolation))) it creates so much trouble and is toxic, big walls ftw (look up here >>12617006)
>Also how would one run wiring and plumbing in rammed earth?
total non-issue, we make houses out of red brick in croatia, you just chissel the inner surface for electrics and plan ahead the plumbing.
I have no idea about this method, in what way is the performance different than that of a red terra brick?
>Though you could maybe chisel out a path in the wall then cover it up?
You can do that easily with concrete as well, its not an issue, the only reason you think it is is because you are stuck in the drywall mindset xD
Yeah it's not really an issue here in the UK. You ctear off the plasterboard, lay as appropriate then put new board on. Simples.
Thanks for posting this OP, you are fighting the good fight.
Indoor refrigeration and central heating have been a disaster for the white race. It has permitted genetic cripples to survive where they never should have been permitted to.
t. HVAC technician
Not sure about other areas but boomers are obsessed with making sure no new houses get built because most boomers put all their investments in their houses. This causes housing prices to stay sky high so new younger families can't afford them.
Modern residential architecture is dead. Everyone wants a hideous garagemahal.
you know what? this is the best god damned thread i've seen on /pol/ for months and fuck anyone that says otherwise.
He makes a good point about letting it breath in specific areas. Thats a good idea. However his dumbasses contradicts himself when he talks about the all wood house built in the 30s that had 0 problems.
Build airtight…with wood. No artificial materials and have some openings where you can control where the air comes in. Simple. Done.
Agreed. Shelter is one of the necessities every human being needs to survive, so it's a valuable as shit topic. Far better than HURR DURR SOME IRRELEVENT TWITTER CUNT SAID SOMETHING
What are your thoughts on aerated concrete or aircrete? From what I understand, it appears to be the perfect construction material, especially when used to make domes.
>inert/non toxic/environmentally friendly and abundant material
>extremely strong and light
>impervious to mold, rot, pests, fire, water
>can be drilled, sawed, takes screws, can work on ith it like wood
>extremely cheap and easy to repair- just add more fresh mix
We shall be known… As the Freemasons.
Is there seriously anything about American society that isn't complete shit and doesn't scream "DEDACENCE!"
Honestly I think guns are the ONLY thing we have good in this entire rotten country. Every single industry is corrupted to all shit, made for the lowest common denominator, and made to slowly kill you in every way conceivable.
The news? Fearmongering propaganda. The food? Poison. The architecture? Cheap garbage. The women? Cheap whores. Marriage? A joke. Society? Divided and collapsing.
This is a country founded on opportunism, yet taken to the point where every opportunity to screw someone else over for a quick buck is not only not bad, but a virtue. Fuck this country. Call me a D/C shill faggots I don't fucking care. I want to go home to Europe, where people appreciate art, architecture, culture, and traditions.
THIS. FUCKING THIS RIGHT HERE, If you call me to repair your air condition, and I see that you're a shitskin, I'll do everything in my power to fuck you over. I'll introduce water into your refrigerant lines to create corrosive phosgene gas, I'll install your condenser fan motor too low so it overamps and burns out, I'll poke a pinhole leak in your evaporator coil so it causes a slow leak, I will FUCK YOU OVER. Fuck shitskins, fuck coons. I'll wage a ware of slow, necessary and expensive repairs on your family. FUCK NIGGERS, FUCK KIKES, FUCK JEWS.
I've been thinking about building my own house for the past two years. Nothing massive, but something that I can leave behind knowing it won't fall apart soon after. The problem I have to deal with is square footage limits in my area. I can't build a house smaller than 1600 sq. ft.. I don't need that much fucking space! 500-750 max.
>how would one run wiring and plumbing
lay the pipes and conduits in a ground level crawlspace. Build a wooden floor above the crawlspace. Easy access to the pipes for repairs, plus the rammed earth construction will support a tile roof.
modern construction and its consequences have been a disaster for architecture.
Buy a larger, cheap rural property, ideally not one close to a village either.
Put your home on it without even asking anyone, surround it with trees. Nobody sees it, nobody makes trouble, code is irrelevant. A large problem of even redpilled white people is that we instinctively try to follow the law even where it is retarded.
If you need contractors, call what you're building a toolshed or a weathershelter, you tend to be able to build those however you want.
I'd go with 3.
And yeah, a tiny house is a good idea if you have no money for anything bigger, especially if you build it in a way that enables you to extend it over time.
This is probably the best solution. I honestly hate how modern designs necessitate hiding things behind inaccessible walls that will inevitably need maintenance anyway.
>Important pipes? we'll just bury that shit in drywall we'll have to break down in 5 years to repair once they start leaking because we made the shitty things out of tin and cadmium
What do you think of stone house with steel frames in it?
Does stone rust? You have stone structures from thousands years Roman times still standing and being used today. Can you say the same with steel?
exactly. Plumber refuses to put pipes visible, says that they are rated for longer than the life of the house. 50 years. Fcuk that.
The councils here use drones and aeroplanes to map. They are cracking down on exactly that.
As a plumber, I'll teach you a few tricks.
Ask for copper piping and brass fittings for longest life. You will get on average 25 years of life from them with proper maintenance. Don't forget to change your tap washers, replace with brass coated or copper coated.
DO NOT USE PLASTIC.
If a plumber is recomending a UDPE Or HDPE pipe. Refuse and ask for copper with silver solded joints. You as the customer make the final choice. It may cost a little extra, but it is worth it.
I have done connections onto pipework my grandfather laid as a 20 year old. He's nearly 80 now. Copper is simply unbeatable.
have any bad experience with PEX?
I recently redid a whole home with PEX due to the galvanized steel/CPVC clusterfuck it had shattering every time you breathed on it. I mainly used it due to "muh budget" but in hindsight I should have run the drinking and bathing water through copper. oh well.
is it legal build houses our of reinforced concrete? I mean design them like the average OSB shitshack but with concrete frame?
Thank you infinity anons and happy NY!
Ive poste this on half chan and got banned, probably by boomer con-tractors who got triggd, search the theread there was a guy here defending use of OSB board and Tyvek wraps.
The 5 principles I listed are very similar to survival guides of building shelter.
>Indoor refrigeration and central heating have been a disaster for the white race
>Indoor refrigeration and central heating have been a disaster for the white race.
I wouldnt go that far, but its absolutly insane, that the indoor temperature of a building where its 0°C outside is around 25°, how did that became standard? Its extremly uncomfortable to experience such radical temp change, bad for health to live in stale air and its expensive.
Also, HVAC industry exists becaseu (((air tight))) buiuldings would fall apart from moisture. all gimick upon gummick
Aired concrete blocks? Solid, but aired red brick is much better option.
>I can't build a house smaller than 1600 sq. ft.
translate that into yuro measures, how tall? can you do RC build?
>>Important pipes? we'll just bury that shit in drywall we'll have to break down in 5 years to repair once they start leaking because we made the shitty things out of tin and cadmium
same shit in every new technology, all proprietary and user unfriendly.
>stone house with steel frames in it?
why steel frame? you mean for the roof?
>>inert/non toxic/environmentally friendly and abundant material
I wouldnt be sure about this, all concrete has a lot of chemicals in it while, red brick is basically clay so the material is much more straight-forward and it almost entirely untoxic.
I also seriously that that newer types of concrete bricks are as water restistant as red brick (if its water pourouss it will get frozen and crack).
Use concrete bricks for bearing loads only.
Portland cement is just clay and limestone kilned together. It clumps up into this tuff called 'clinker.' They grind the clinker to a powder and that's portland cement. There may be a tiny bit of weirdness in it if the kiln is coal fired. It's no worse than clay.
>There may be a tiny bit of weirdness in it if the kiln is coal fired. It's no worse than clay.
Put some concrete on your skin and remove it before it dries out, youll notice that your skin is kind of dried out unlike with clay, I would bet they put all kinds of MegaPro2000 type chemicals in it they dont tell you about
Clay is drying as well. That's the whole point of women getting 'clay masks.' I don't know why you're freaking out. That's really all there is to type I/II portland cement. Now if you start getting into weird special purpose cements, then yes, sometimes they put in weird stuff, but type I/II portland is the cement used in the vast majority of concrete.
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>foam insulation throut to give you cancer and choke out the entire wood frame
>next sentence he speaks about healthy environment and durability
>not ONE joinery connection oof wood all screwed with some kind of metal connecter
>enitrely OVERDESIGNED like some gimmicky smartphone
>OSB pannels…on the ROOF
this is a "high performance" home…this is lipstick on a McMansion
>Clay is drying as well. That's the whole point of women getting 'clay masks.' I don't know why you're freaking out.
Im not talking about drying speficically, skin has a weird reaction to modern concrete and plenty of masons get skin problems from years of working with basic concrete.
Concrete has a purpouse but terra tiles are much better
>Concrete however always decays, as does rebar.
Fiberglass reinforced concrete doesn't
All your arguments and posts essentially boil down to:
>comfort is a gimmick
As someone who has lived in both Europe and America, I'll chose a cheap-ass American house any day of the week. Easier and faster to renovate and DIY.
Yeah those houses in America aren't built to last. But who cares? This isn't the 18th century, pal. People are living long-term in the same house less and less. I've changed 5 houses over the past 20 years.
If the water quality is too bad, copper will corrode. Might use stainless steel, crimped, in that case.
A community and national consciousness can only arise if there are monuments to the nation, and a relatively fixed community. There's a reason the Jews push modern shit buildings besides aestethics.
Why the fuck would a transient modernist even bother to come on /pol/ in the first place?
>All your arguments and posts essentially boil down to:
>>comfort is a gimmick
No it doesnt, I guarantee you that modern euro houses made out of RC and aired brick (+insulation if you want) are MORE comfortable than yank houses + entire build is cheaper + its a healthier environment for your lungs etc. + its safer for burglers etc (reinforced doors are becoming standard on most which you cant install on a wood frame)
>People are living long-term in the same house less and less. I've changed 5 houses over the past 20 years.
ever bought used tools? you pay 1/3 of the price and get the same if better quality for used - good ROI isnt it? Why not do the same with house regardless of how often you change it?
>Fiberglass reinforced concrete doesn't
Not true, everything that is pourouss decays , even if rebar doesnt rust, water will get in concrete, freeze up and crack it.
Almost stopped watching because of the shitty audio with the wind blowing, but I stuck with him, and became mezmerized. Good stuff.
>Aired concrete blocks?
Aerated you fucking braindead nigger.
>Solid, but aired red brick is much better option
That doesn't exist you retard. Stop pretending you know shit and go back to cuckchan where you belong.
>rock becomes toxic when you add non-toxic calcium silicate to it
>DURRRR WUT R PH?!11
>everything that is pourouss decays
Says the retard promoting porous red brick
>even if rebar doesnt rust, water will get in concrete, freeze up and crack it
How? By magic? Concrete is more water resistant than your clay bricks dumbass.
>>aired red brick is much better option
>That doesn't exist you retard.
>porous red brick
>How? By magic? Concrete is more water resistant than your clay bricks dumbass.
you utter mongoloid…
Please read again, this imbeciles post, how is it possible to be such an illeterate about building materials? Where do these people come from? I cant even feel anger when I hear such stupidity…
Honestly I think you're both wrong. The clear choice is good old fashioned slaked lime plaster.
>All your arguments and posts essentially boil down to
>>comfort is a gimmick
another thing, lets say if you compare euro builds of the same comfort with CURRENT yank builds…thing is that euro builds dont rely on AC system for that comfort but materials and smart build, while yank builds are bad and the comfort comes out of controlling what is esentially toxic environment with AC and different systems otherwise they collapse
>Concrete is more water resistant than your clay bricks dumbass.
So why dont you make roofs out of it if its so water resistant and why does rebar rust? why does concrete pavement crack after icing? where does the water come from? YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILE.
That is not "aired" you fucking moron. Try asking google for "aired brick" and see all the nothing you get. The word is aerated, and that's not aerated. It is just a normal brick with cavities. Aerated means full of tiny bubbles. Like styrofoam but made of cement. You don't know anything at all, you are a 12 year old retard from cuckchan who got butt blasted because there was someone there that knew you are full of shit.
>So why dont you make roofs out of it
>if its so water resistant and why does rebar rust?
Because you don't need water for iron to rust. This is why you use basalt rebar. But since you are a braindead child who knows nothing, you have no idea about any of this.
>why does concrete pavement crack after icing?
Because it expands and contracts with temperature changes. Even grade school science should teach you this much.
>So why dont you make roofs out of it if its so water resistant
They do. More often than they make brick/natural clay tile roofs, anyway
Americans use AC because they are lazy and have more money than yuropoors.
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I recommand watching whole, but 10:40-18:40 for imatient
>Aired =/= Aerated
We do. not you. Youve never seen a residential build out of RC in your life. What do we cover it with and why?
>This is why you use basalt rebar.
when did YOU used basalt rebar?
>Because it expands and contracts with temperature changes.
yes, and another thing happens…smth to do with water.
>Americans use AC because they are lazy and have more money than yuropoors.
you use AC because your housese are cucked by (((airtight))) standards, which means they implode unless AC / HVAC systems dont move out the moisture since the entire build is so mutt tier.
>makes up shit that doesn't exist
<that doesn't exist
>lol ebin upboats!111 XDDDDDDD
>why don't they use it for roof!1?
>no I do not u!1111
>anti-white cuckchan meme
>german building codes are american
>having your entire house be swiss cheese drafty is better than controlling ventilation
Kill yourself you subhuman mongrel.
Portland cement is caustic until it fully sets and hydrates, but that's only really an issue for people actually working with it.
The biggest hazard with concrete is the pozzolan, which is basically any of a wide range of industrial waste products, but usually consists of a fine silica (in fact crushed glass works well). Not all concrete has pozzolan, but it often confers numerous advantages to the concrete, such as increased impermeability of water and chemical resistance. However, this silica dust is what can fuck lungs up as a concrete surface wears and the previously trapped particles are released. This is an indoor health issue, and bare concrete should never be exposed in an indoor living space. Once this is done, then concrete goes to the back of the long line of things to worry about.
A good example of better things to worry about are air pollution, both man-made and natural. Worrying about concrete is pointless if silica and heavy metals are blown across the midwest when it's dry, radon fills the basement, city pollution is so bad it basically causes alzheimer's in dogs and children (like in mexico city), multiple yearly forest fires, or if pollen results in body wide inflammation for half the year. And this isn't even touching on all the outgassing chemicals found in beds, cloths, furniture and other plastics we have around. An air system that provides a constant slight positive pressure of filtered air is something I highly recommend for every house.
>>Curse words and name calling
>>thing is that euro builds don't rely on AC system for that comfort but materials and smart build
I can't be the only one sitting here in awe at how dumb, angry, and pathetic this thread is becoming.
Why so much hate? This is a humble thread about construction and instead you're turning it into your personal internet pissing contest where all you do is use ad hominem attacks to try to push weak and vague & anecdotal points forward as forcefully as possible.
Try to think for once about the experience of other people following this thread.
Also, please, stop calling people illiterate while unironically spelling illiterate wrong…
>>Americans use AC because they are lazy and have more money than yuropoors.
>>you use AC because your housese are cucked by (((airtight))) standards, which means they implode unless AC / HVAC systems dont move out the moisture since the entire build is so mutt tier.
We use A/C for the reasons he stated. We're lazy, and we can afford it. No reason to sweat if your income level is high enough to afford not to. Are you beginning to understand?
Going to have to ask that ya'll start talking more about structural metals and successful cutting edge design processes or I'm going to lose interest
The company is Austrian called Thoma, here is a good read - wood should be cut down in accordance with moon changes
>Kill yourself you subhuman mongrel.
you are the definition of a neoconservative patriot, if republican party would put an american flag on a cheesburger filled with plastic you would attack people that would say its unhealthy, if keeks told you to go to war in middle east with an american flag you would do it.
but Im an american patriot and just a patriotic messenger. regards.
>Why so much hate? This is a humble thread about construction and instead you're turning it into your personal internet pissing contest where all you do is use ad hominem attacks to try to push weak and vague & anecdotal points forward as forcefully as possible.
1st - posting porn. what is wrong with you?
2nd - I call people the terms I should when needed and only when needed, its like 2nd amendment
>We use A/C for the reasons he stated. We're lazy, and we can afford it. No reason to sweat if your income level is high enough to afford not to. Are you beginning to understand?
AC IS NOT, i repear IS NOT expensive, it is however a bad build if your house cant control moisture without AC or HVAC systems.
Its expensive if you have to pay for it, if your climate requires it
>if you don't like degenerate subhuman mongrels like me then you are a neocon
Well, at least you're finally on topic. Too bad you've got the IQ of a turnip with downs syndrome that was dropped on its head.
>AC IS NOT, i repear IS NOT expensive
Yes it is. It is one of the biggest consumers of power.
>it is however a bad build if your house cant control moisture without AC or HVAC systems.
And since AC is used to make it not be 105 fucking degrees, your idiotic nonsense is irrelevant.
>if you don't like degenerate subhuman mongrels like me then you are a neocon
Let me ask you a simple question since you seem to talk with yourself, wipe the drool of your mouth and think about this…do you think that OSB is a decent building material?
>And since AC is used to make it not be 105 fucking degrees, your idiotic nonsense is irrelevant.
Are you that dumb to not realize that house should be able to control heat on its own? AC comes as a helper, not as a system you relly on.
>oh shit my idiotic babbling was proven wrong again
>I know! I'll change the subject and pretend I didn't notice!111
Good strategy. Way better than shutting the fuck up and learning something.
>houses should use their magic powers to make heat disappear!
>but they should just use AC to "help" the heat go away
>which is totally different because reasons
>>houses should use their magic powers to make heat disappear!
how about just use regular solid wood, or brick or stone, to keep you cool in the summer and worm in winter - methods tested for centuries… also dont use spray foam…what on earth is wrong with you?
>people died of heat exhaustion for centuries
>so just do that instead of using the products of white intellect
Wood and stone don't magically delete heat you braindead nigger. Every time you respond with some irrelevant attempt to change the subject like this spray foam idiocy, you are admitting you are wrong.
>>so just do that instead of using the products of white intellect
>>people died of heat exhaustion for centuries
sure thing body, swiss also used to freeze to death in their stone and wood chatelles
Houses in the US aren't built to last. They're constructed from shit materials by illegal alien workers who don't know what they are doing. Then the artificially inflated housing market charges 10x what the shitty house is worth, so all people have to take out massive loans to buy anything. The banks make a fortune on high interest rates, and in 40 years when the house is paid off, it's basically reached the end of it's materials lifespan and starts to crumble. So someone else comes in and knocks it down, pays another builder to build another shitty house, charge 15x what it's worth, the bank issues another mortgage loan, and the jews keep making money on the same property over and over.
If you're American then I'm a double niggerkike.
No one outside of the UK (Australia as well maybe?) uses the word "flat" in the place of "apartment".
>if I quote you and say nothing that's like an argument right?
>swiss also used to freeze to death in their stone and wood chatelles
They used fire to prevent exactly that. They didn't say "heat is bad don't heat your house" like some braindead nigger.
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PARTICLE BOARD HATE THREAD
>The banks make a fortune on high interest rates, and in 40 years when the house is paid off, it's basically reached the end of it's materials lifespan and starts to crumble. So someone else comes in and knocks it down, pays another builder to build another shitty house, charge 15x what it's worth, the bank issues another mortgage loan, and the jews keep making money on the same property over and over.
is this an expert from the novel: "ZOG:Final Fantasy" ?
>People are living long-term in the same house less and less. I've changed 5 houses over the past 20 years.
That's not a good thing, and not something that should be promoted
>2nd - I call people the terms I should when needed and only when needed, its like 2nd amendment
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MY FELLOW AMERICAN, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
I see Toronto isn't the only place with IKEA buildings. (IKEA being semi-disposable, like most of these newer construction towers built for the RE bubble.)
FWIW I've never lived in a hi-rise built after 1975 for a reason.
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MY FELLOW AMERICAN, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
*oh say can you see…* (coming from distance)
well, that's not really their fault that prairie niggers were not capable of building anything permanent (not that they really needed it, since the ones who lived on what form US territories were for the most part, not permanently settled in a given place).
What shocks me more however, is that they somehow consider things like plywood as a decent construction material.
I mean, isn't that like, essentially, living in a cardboard box?
>What shocks me more however, is that they somehow consider things like plywood as a decent construction material.
bro, its not even plywood its an OSBboard! Basically leftover wood mixed with glue
so Ikea "furniture" wood?
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>so Ikea "furniture" wood?
in defense of IKEA they sometimes use solid wood (never high quality old growth doe) and its not entirely low quality. When using particle board they are at least honest about what it is.
Can anyone recommend good books on the basics of building with stone, masonry, complete homebuilding etc? Whenever I google for these books, I get blogspot or geocities tier trash that shills one author or another. I trust you more.
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Remember the Pensmore Castle in the Ozark's?
the owner sued the company after a worker told him the company was cheaping out on him.
The company promised a super strong concrete with titanium helix component, which makes the concrete super strong.
halfway through the prozess, the company started to reduce the titanium content and selling it off for profit
>Can anyone recommend good books on the basics of building with stone, masonry, complete homebuilding etc?
I gurantee that Mike Haduck channel on yt is entirely legit, but books about old school buildings of newer date are scarce.
There are numerous solid hippie blogs about it, but again nothing systematical.
Alright I will check out Haduck, thanks. I guess I don't need a systematic "How to Build a Stone Home" book. General books about homebuilding would be appreciated. Any recommendations for the hippie blogs?
I think its called "dirtcheapbuilder"
>2nd - I call people the terms I should when needed and only when needed, its like 2nd amendment
This ignorant SerbFag lol
>AC IS NOT, i repear IS NOT expensive, it is however a bad build if your house cant control moisture without AC or HVAC systems.
SerbNigger has never been to a tropical climate like Florida
This would have been a good thread if this
Nigger wasn't part of it.
did you ugly nigger just pour a giant concrtete slab (a few centimerters in thickness) over gravel and sand?
be happy with your cracks
Yeah Nigger, over road base with rebar and fiber reinforced concrete.
Stay an assuming Nigger, it suits you
>a few centimerters in thickness
I love this shit. Needs to be a permanent building thread or its own board. Gives me hope to see builders here.
Pics from today showing all the load beams completed last week.
Ready for second floor pre-stressed concrete planks
do you have a picture of the rebar in the load column?
>>stone house with steel frames in it?
>why steel frame? you mean for the roof?
Yes because I believe everything should be good quality and long lasting but it lowers the profitability unless the monetary system changes.
Looks like this
>Yes because I believe everything should be good quality and long lasting but it lowers the profitability unless the monetary system changes.
you are mistaken if you think that wood=cheap and steel=proper, nothing wrong with steel, but proper wood build actually lasts longer than steel, it dies when you (((isolate))) it
Or termites eat it.
I wonder how expensive that wood is.
>Yeah those houses in America aren't built to last. But who cares? This isn't the 18th century, pal. People are living long-term in the same house less and less. I've changed 5 houses over the past 20 years.
Peak fucking boomer if ever I've seen it.
>Or termites eat it.
how come they only now started eating it? how come 400yo stave churchers dont have termite problems?
>used 20yo pine wood that barely developed grain for construction
>be even more retarded
>pressure treat it
>cover it with extrachemical200MEGA "protector"
>termites eat it
Termites is a big problem in Australia and I don’t want to spray the woods with chemicals.
Because you don’t live in Australia.
>how come they only now started eating it?
Imagine being this STUPID
termites attack only the lowest quality wood, watch here >>12624590 , look here >>12617029
They are a big problem in most of the US as well.
Pest removing anon here. (with natural methods)!
Termites need to rest in the soil or their bodies dry out, they build "mud tubes" from the ground to the wood. All you gotta do is mix Diatomaceous earth to the ground around your foundation, this cuts their bodies and dries them out. You can also char the wood and/or mix 1 part salt to 2 parts linseed oil and treat your wood that way. The enormous salt in the wood will dehydrate them too.
That third pic looks like a roof, there is a breed of termites that can live in the insulation so spreading diatomaceous earth in the insulation and salting the wood there will stop that.
It'd take a day or two, but way easier and safer than poisons
>termites attack only the lowest quality wood
Not all termites are subterranean. In humid climates, there is enough moisture in the air for them to maintain hydration.
I want to point out one more thing, these cabins likely burn wood for the winter, so they have a pile of DRY DEAD WOOD next to their cabins, this will attract the termites and give them a nice beach head to your "log wood cabin"…
They should mix diatomaceous earth to the soil under their piles, and laydown a layer of bricks to set their wood piles on. Also keeping it AWAY from the house (optimally 5-10 feet, but 3 feet is adequate)
Termites aren't a problem guys. You can prevent termites for 10 years with a day of labor.
I know what I'm talking about kid, I even mentioned the "attic" variety of termites. All termites need a nesting medium. Only extreme humid areas like rainforests along the equator can work for termites…. It's almost like termites are there to help decompose fallen trees.
Wood frames is a fire hazard and can rot so I choose steel frames.
FUCKING NIGGERS WATCH THE VIDEO, he's talking about moonman wood.
I am deaf so I don’t watch it.
>Only extreme humid areas like rainforests along the equator can work for termites….
Well I live in Florida and you virtually never see those mud tubes like you see with the Termites in Australia. You do not see subterranean termites here because where I am building my house, the ground water is literally 8 inches below the surface in the summer, we average nearly 70 inches of rain a year. Even the ants die off. It's simply too wet. You did a hole of r a fence post it fills with water.
So you might know your shit where you live, but you don't know your shit where I live.
But thank for the video though mate.
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This guy is very popular for calling out bullshit construction. He's all over the media, like that Mike Rowe guy, only in Canada (where it gets fucking cold and you need R values).
Tiny house or cuckshed?
do you need good construction if you plan to have a house that is small enough to tow behind you? im okay with it only lasting the rest of my life since its kind of a retarded idea that I dont want to force onto the next generation but I want to have to repair it as little as possible and dont want it to give me cancer or destroy my lungs if I can help it
Practicality always wins. We should be in these threads rather than point and laugh at the (((culture))).
t. is lucky to live in a sound, custom-built home from people he could trust and knows the roof has another 15 years to go
>Nobody sees it, nobody makes trouble, code is irrelevant.
Put it on wheels so it's a trailer.
After watching the moonman wood video, the nigger in your video comes off as a complete conman. I work with that shit all of the time. Any expert in any field that uses adhesives knows adhesives never last.
If I'm building a house for myself, its gonna be a moonman wood house.
>FUCKING NIGGERS WATCH THE VIDEO, he's talking about moonman wood.
Right, only build houses out of wood that is harvested one night a year.
Yeah, that just makes all kinds of sense to do that in an economy the size of the US.
FUCK YOU NIGGER. If you are going to build a house for yourself, you build it with the best possible method you can possibly find, because if you're being true to your ancestors, you're going to have children, and you raise children in the best fucking house you can make. You stupid fucking NIGGER.
Niggers are born as cucks.
I'm building my house out of concrete. Look at the pictures in my posts.
Get rekt faggot.
>Yeah, that just makes all kinds of sense to do that in an economy the size of the US.
I know Im talking to a not so bright anon that does "entire feel deep foundations", but why wouldnt it make sense?
good house is a BLESSING to your kids, bad house is like giving them credit, ever check how expensive demolitions are?
>the nigger in your video comes off as a complete conman. I work with that shit all of the time.
your bosses are like that? That Risinger guy is a total twat, he probably doesnt realize that he is a conman, but actually rates the tyveks for "efficiency", I dont even dude…
MOONMAN WOODWORKING COMPANY
noone would notice…
Blow your brains out nigger.
>but why wouldnt it make sense?
It's not economically viable and the product is not available.
Cute concept, but about as realistic as building a house of of meteors.
You are just jealous because you still live with your mommy in the basement.
In east europe houses are built with concrete that has steel bars in it, or with 3x layer of solid red brick.
When I heard westerners build houses out of painting canvas and wood I didn't believered it.
Does anyone have any experience using wood ash as a binder or cementing agent? I've been considering using the leftovers from brickbaking to make mortar and soil cement
but notice that with drywall building style you can "hyde" a lot of terminal problems, with euro style builds there simply isnt that much more options of deceptions since it has less vertical layers of materials.
>It's not economically viable and the product is not available.
it doesnt have to be for everyone, but if you have the oportunity, you do it that way, with time those builds became more affordable by 2nd hand purchase and since its quality it will last.
Erwin Thoma already does entire buildings from it and Im pretty sure its comparable with "luxury" McMansions in price.
It needs to be sifted and mixed properly, and even then it's not a very strong binder. We use it for facade.
I live on the side of a mountain and my mother has been dead for decades.
I know exactly how expensive demo is, because I've done demo. Just getting rid of it is expensive enough. Every layer of a modern house contributes to killing you in a different way. I fucking hate modern houses. It's like building a house to accommodate bugs, mice and mold.
Not sure why you keep trying to use a fallacy to criticize our own choices.
>It's not possible
>You can't possibly do it
>just give up goy
Fuck you jew. Filtered.
Drywall almost always hides a problem the owner never knew about.