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1121b6  No.13316188

Many like to dismiss The Führer's prowess in commanding Germany's armies in the second World War. Hitler was disregarded as a General by the German officer corps. He had not gone through officer school, he had not been a cadet, he had not been promoted to a staff position and done staff work, and he had not played any kriegsspiel (realistic board games the Germans used to play through potential battles at all levels).

This is utter bullshit. The German high command were set in their says and too proud to see the genius of Hitler. They wrote memoirs after the war blaming him for the defeat.

Hitler was the greatest military mind of the modern era. He was prepared to side-step seniority and adapt a good and innovative plan when it was required. See for example Manstein's Fall Sißelschnitt plan for the invasion of France.

He was a risk-taker and would bet hard on small chances and narrow margins. Especially early war this paid off quite a bit. He bet that the French would take more than two months to assemble a serious offensive to relieve Poland, and defended the west with a motley collection of second and third line divisions that lacked much of their equipment. The campaign in Norway was also a prime example of this.

This book, "Hitler and His Generals: Military Conferences 1942-1945". It is a complete stenographic record of his military conferences in this time period. It is nearly 1200 pages long. It shows how The Führer was knowledgable and adept in ALL aspects of commanding his forces, from division level strategy to squad level tactics and even materials and logistics. It also shows how often many of the German generals would doubt or second guess his decisions only to be overruled as they should have been.

Unfortunately I have been unable to locate a digital version and bought this physical copy used online for 5 dollars. It is HIGHLY recommended.

TL;DR Hitler was a military genius and this book proves it. Read it.

23f34a  No.13316204

Actually it was 50/50 with him… specially during the first half he was good, but during the second half of the war his orders tended to be bad.


1121b6  No.13316214

>>13316204

I would argue that his decisions did not get worse but that German high command more and more undermined and disobeyed his wishes which made the war situation more and more dire until it was eventually unrecoverable


67fde3  No.13316227

>>13316188

>Hitler was the greatest military mind of the modern era

If that were so, he wouldn't have lost.


83d6ae  No.13316233

>>13316188

>comes in

>gets Hitler dups

>promotes Hitler book

>doesn't post the pdf

So close, anon.


0a4a7c  No.13316250

>>13316233

Dude I am sorry, believe me - I looked for weeks trying to find one. All I could find were research papers citing it and shit. That is why I finally caved and bought it. If I had the means I would absolutely scan it for you guys but I don't. It was only 5 bucks. If someone else could prove how retarded I am and find one and post it then that would be awesome but I haven't been able to and I looked. Alot.

>>13316227

Not true at all. You can be the greatest military mind of all time but if your orders are not expressly carried out it will amount to fuck all. Sadly that is what happened to Hitler. He also had the entire world bearing down on him with the Jews orchestrating the whole thing. And he still lasted 5 years before succumbing


d82fdb  No.13316255

He refused to even try to invade England leaving an enemy alive behind him as turned to attack an even larger one.


82616b  No.13316262

File: dc448ea00aa6269⋯.jpg (38.96 KB, 500x700, 5:7, hitler88.jpg)

Do you anons believe Barbarossa was the way to go? Should Hitler of tried a potentially costly "Operation Sea Lion", that if successful could of potentially ended the war with the Allies right there?

The numbers are there, the Bolsheviks had tens of thousands of tanks, planes and 2 million men at the border, perhaps they were waiting for Hitler to focus his forces elsewhere and then invade.


23f34a  No.13316267

>>13316227

Personally, I'm a Alexander the Great fan


0a4a7c  No.13316272

>>13316255

Damn, a lot of dubs in this thread.

It just became more and more unlikely to succeed in the face of Goerings failures to secure the air over the channel. If they didn't have air superiority then their men would have been strafed to bits and sunk to the bottom of the channel before they even got close.

Also you must remember that The Führer admired England and Anglo culture in general. He didn't want to fight them. He wanted peace. He offered over and over only to have them spit in his fucking face every time. They started World War 2, not Hitler.


82616b  No.13316273

File: cd344c97f5b6cd1⋯.jpg (171.84 KB, 1000x1486, 500:743, German Fraulein.jpg)

>>13316255

I mostly agree.


f9f941  No.13316278

File: 12598a9ba9b0844⋯.jpg (36.59 KB, 700x420, 5:3, 2953.jpg)

File: 87932b9cfbc3f9b⋯.jpg (312.82 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, familes.jpg)

>>13316262

>The Mexicans had tens of thousands of tanks, planes and 2 million men at the border, perhaps they were waiting for Kushner to focus his forces elsewhere and then invade.

Literally the US Southern border as we speak. Donald Trump better arm that Rhineland if he wants America to stay around for at least a decade.


5af183  No.13316279

>>13316267

>Not Jan Zizka

I am disappoint.


0a4a7c  No.13316287

>>13316262

Invading Russia without the west secured was not favorable but The Führer had no choice. According to Viktor Suvorov's "Icebreaker" (another book I fully recommend and that IS readily available online), Stalin was planning to invade at any time. He wanted to wait until Sea Lion was in progress and then strike and take all of Europe. Once it stalled, he said fuck it and was going to strike as soon as possible. Hitler knew this and struck first in a window of likely only weeks before Stalin did


7a9090  No.13316293

File: e901a7c04921d14⋯.jpg (6.47 KB, 227x222, 227:222, barcas.jpg)

File: d3f05bd7191e883⋯.png (78.03 KB, 376x828, 94:207, cannae.png)

>>13316267

Killing over 80.000 with very low losses is always nice


67fde3  No.13316297

>>13316250

Firstly, blaming underlings all the time is a lame excuse. All generals and kings must deal with underlings and oftentimes they must deal with more infighting than Hitler did. At least he had the benefit of generals who were more loyal than most. They never tried to overthrow him. Few leaders can claim to have such loyal followers these days.

Furthermore, most of Hitler's orders were carried out. So that's hardly an excuse.

Secondly, Many of Hitler's disadvantages were self inflicted. He didn't need to declare war on America but he did anyway.

>In B4 the old debunked "b-b-but Hitler NEEEDED to give America what the jews wanted bekuz sometimes America's navy would sink a uboat."

Yeah yeah. Heard it all before and BTFO'd it many times yet each time they come back as if yesterday's argument never took place.

So once again;

FACT; It is a strategically inferior decision to be the aggressor against a country that you cannot reach or harm in any way. Furthermore it is better to lose one sub every now and again than to lose ten every month, have your cities flattened, and face 500 thousand enemy soldiers on your coastline backed by a country that you cannot even bomb with nearly unlimited resources.


67fde3  No.13316321

>>13316272

>He didn't want to fight them. He wanted peace.

Fake and gay. If he wanted peace he should not have guaranteed war. The Anglos Hitler admired so much explained very clearly that if Hitler attacked Poland, they'd attack him.

Here's a tip; If you want to be friends with someone, don't break all your agreements with them and then go attacking their allied states.

And while Hitler offered them a conqueror's peace that no one in their right mind would accept, the British actually offered Hitler peace on the terms that everything went back to normal teh day after he invaded Poland without declaring war. And it was Hitler that spit in their faces.

You can scream, you can cry, you can moan, and you can even lie but that's the truth and anyone can factcheck this.

Also, as for trying to blame Goering for failing to achieve air superiority, you know what kind of fucked with Goering's air battle? The shift from attacking British aircraft to attacking British civilians.

And who's decision was that?


ee2d2b  No.13316338

>>13316297

>they never tried to overthrow him

>Google certainly doesn't list plenty of assassination attempts and coups.


67fde3  No.13316348

>>13316338

Context.

We were clearly talking about the generals. Not lower level officers and random kikes and leftists.


d90753  No.13316397

>>13316348

>>13316297

>>What is July 20th Plot, which reached to the highest levels of German command

Yeah ok

You say blaming underlings is lame, but who else is to blame when your high command, responsible for carrying out your orders, looks down on you telling them what to do in military matters and therefore halfheartedly does them or even outright disobey or twist the intent of said orders? Its THEIR fault, not Hitlers. Not all the high command was like this but the majority were. The fact The Führer was aware for their contempt and the things said behind his back (they would dismissively call him "The little Corporal) and would frequently take the opportunity to tear them down to their faces in front of others didn't help. They were proud and arrogant.

>>13316321

>>fake and gay

The Führer DID want peace with Great Britian. It was a great blunder on the part of Chamberlain to declare war on Germany in 1939 and that it was an even greater blunder on the part of Churchill to refuse Hitler's peace offer of 1940.

The peace offer made by Joachim von Ribbentrop to the British Ambassador Sir Nevile Henderson on the night of August 30, 1939 was not a ploy, as many (((historians))) argue, but a genuine German offer to avoid the war. The Second World War was NOT Hitler's doing… It was Chamberlain and Churchills doing. The responsibility is on THEM, not Hitler.


13b904  No.13316408

Hitler only lost because he simply didn't have the numbers, not due to tactical fault.


fcf5a4  No.13316432

>>13316321

Furthermore, the Treaty of Versailles was bullshit - it was Britains fault for enforcing such a laughably unfair treaty instead of revising it, which directly led to the rise of the NSDAP.

In addition, Britain should NEVER have made an agreement to defend Poland when they had no realistic way to even do so.

Hitler did not want a war with Britain and that Britain should not have declared war in 1939 on a known Anglophile Hitler who wanted to ally the Reich with Britain against their common enemy the Soviet Union

The British "guarantee" of Polish independence in March 1939 was a deliberate ploy on the part of its Foreign Minister, Lord Halifax, to cause a war with Germany in 1939. Chamberlain's "guarantee" of Poland was rash and the fatal blunder that caused World War 2.

The Führer didn't even want war with Poland itself either. Hitler's public demands on Poland in 1938 and 1939, namely the return of the Free City of Danzig to the Reich, "extra-territorial" roads across the Polish Corridor, and Poland's adhesion to the Anti-Comintern Pact were a genuine attempt to build an anti-Soviet German-Polish alliance.

Hitler knew Germany and Poland shared a common enemy, the Soviet Union. Hitler wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union, not an enemy. But what did they do? Refused his meager demands, spit in his face and went about encouraging their people to torture and murder ethnic Germans. Fuck Poland.


2de5f0  No.13316467

>>13316432

>it was Britains fault for enforcing such a laughably unfair treaty

list three things Brits enforced from the treaty

>Hitler knew Germany and Poland shared a common enemy

>goes on to ally with the "enemy"


7b5674  No.13316503

>>13316467

AFTER Poland fucked him. He allied with them only to get materials out of them and insure hostilies would not break out before Germany was ready at the Eastern Polish borders. Ultimately Hitler realized Stalin was going to attack any time, so the aim of alliance of delaying until Germany was ready was ultimately not accomplished.

>>name 3 ways Britain enforced Treaty of Versailles

They were part of the allied powers you dolt, they were involved in all of it!

Furthermore, in the occupation of the Rhineland, the British Second Army, with some 275,000 veteran soldiers. This force, with varying sizes, stayed for years. They also did not adhere to all obligated territorial withdrawals as dictated by Versailles.


3935fe  No.13316517

Yes, leave the 6th Army (most powerful German army formation) behind in Stalingrad, even though it is cut off and surrounded.

It was completely annihilated. An entire army (that's like what, 150k men?) and half a Panzer army.

What a dumbass.


67fde3  No.13316538

>>13316397

Look into that July 20th plot. It's all lower level officers. As I stated earlier.

>They only half heartedly followed his orders because Hitler was a newcomer!

Sure maybe but Napoleon suffered from the same problems of being a newcomer and he still kicked ass until he didn't (and he deserves criticism for these failures). And his generals were outright traitors! People management is an important quality in a leader. If you think that being a Fuhrer means dealing with angelic politicians with 100% loyalty than you have no business anywhere near the levers of power.

>They were proud and arrogant.

Yeah well that's Prussian nobility for you. Ironically, we're actually in agreement on some levels. Personally I think you're somewhat right that Hitler's underlings left a lot to be desired. Maybe Hitler should have cleaned house just to show the arrogant Prussian Nobility who was boss. But then that's a whole different can of worms that would take up the entire thread.

>the Führer DID want peace with Great Britian.

Sure obviously. But that was only so he could attack the USSR. Everyone in London knew that. And no sane leader would just allow a man who has openly betrayed your trust once to grow stronger. Besides, Hitler wanted to impose his own peace upon them. This peace would leave Britain effectively at the mercy of Germany. No one would accept that.

>It was a great blunder on the part of Chamberlain to declare war on Germany

That's a funny little reverse you did. It is clear who really made the blunder.

>the August 30th demands were a genuine German offer to avoid the war.

Then they shouldn't have dismissed the British and Polish ambassadors and gone to war two days later.

>>13316432

>the Treaty of Versailles was bullshit

I agree. However teh British leadership allowed him revoke it and only declared war when Hitler demonstrated that he was just going to keep antagonizing everyone until someone stopped him.

>Britain should NEVER have made an agreement to defend Poland when they had no realistic way to even do so.

Maybe Hitler shouldn't have broken their agreement. That alliance was a direct result of Hitler demonstrating he was untrustworthy and would keep trying to take everyone elses' land until Germany was much stronger than Britain. Obviously Britain had no intention of defending Poland. But if Hitler didn't want a war, he shouldn't have invaded.

>a deliberate ploy on the part of its Foreign Minister, Lord Halifax, to cause a war with Germany in 1939.

Wow and Hitler took teh bait hook, line, and sinker. Genius.

He could always have avoided it but nope. He wanted war and got it.

>a genuine attempt to build an anti-Soviet German-Polish alliance.

Bullshit. If he wanted an alliance, he shouldn't have dismissed every Polish diplomat that offered to negotiate.

>Germany and Poland shared a common enemy

True. Had he not antagonized everyone wo tried to negotiate with him, they probably would have ended up working together and we'd live in a much less jewish world. Always think ahead.

>Hitler wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union

And he could have had it. He could have had everything. But he spit in the face of everyone who tried to negotiate.


ce7a35  No.13316542

>>13316204

>>13316227

>>13316255

>>13316267

Hitler is basically a modern Alexander, both lost in the end but really rekt the shit out the enemy to the point where they feared them so much. Of course retards now like this cuck

>>13316517

All say "dur hur but he was so shit!" because we know the facts, but he was really a genius otherwise the Allies wouldn't have begged the United States to come help


67fde3  No.13316561

File: 21ba62f29e95bce⋯.jpg (60.65 KB, 840x560, 3:2, map-of-empire-of-alexander….jpg)

>>13316542

>Alexander

>lost


600bda  No.13316625

>>13316538

>>all low level

Admiral Canaris

Major General Graf zu Dohna-Schlobitten (Chief of the Acting General Command)

General Von Falkenhausen (Military Commander of Belgium and Northern France)

Colonel General Fromm

Major General Gehlen (Chief of Intelligence-Gathering on the Eastern Front)

Major General Von Gersdorff (Chief of Intelligence for Field Marshal Von Kluge)

Field Marshal Von Kluge himself

Lieutenant General Hase (Commander of 56. Infantry Division and Commander of Berlin)

Field Marshal Rommel

...Just to name a few. I can keep going if you like?

>>13316517

Hilter's "Standfast" policy, toward preventing the total collapse of the German Eastern Front in 1941 you absolute fucking nonce

>>13316521

(((Doug's Darkworld)))

Fuck off


67fde3  No.13316666

>>13316625

I was not aware that Field Marshal Von Kluge was involved in the plot and I'm pretty sure that Rommel was not either. However, I agree with you that Hitler's Standfast order was intelligent. My position is not that Hitler was a dumbass or even a poor commander but simply that he was not the greatest ever. Some of his decisions were great. However he leaves a lot to be desired.


73e619  No.13316704

>>13316188

>TL;DR Hitler was a military genius and this book proves it

Hitler was a military retard. He was an amazing orator and the blitzkrieg initially worked wonders, but that's about it. He started a war on multiple fronts and made enemies out of most of Europe. He had the opportunity to secure the channel, but threw that away when the Bismark sank. He also must have loved the British enough to bomb civilians for eight months. If he was really focused on the USSR, he should have done that instead of starting a war with the rest of Europe. There's a reason Napoleon was hated in Europe and Hitler must have forgotten that putting your own people in the meat-grinder for nothing does not make you popular with anyone, but the retarded and ignorant.


b0d65f  No.13316755

>>13316262

>Do you anons believe Barbarossa was the way to go?

Yes it was, its not a matter of opinion.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6cd900197e383b1d57fbea6e791024d4300e47d4e3c3a5f28df681fc10c4b90c.pdf


133d71  No.13316773

>>13316188

>Hitler: The Greatest Military Genius of All Time

This. He basically won WW2 by himself. Oh wait no, he lost, lol.


df12fb  No.13316854

File: dce15c1d98b6274⋯.jpg (20.01 KB, 301x391, 301:391, 7c069-AwJeez_Not_This_Shit….jpg)

File: 4df9f7445559318⋯.pdf (59.91 KB, Hilters Blunders.pdf)

Fuck you mods for removing my posts


fd34b4  No.13316884

>>13316854

You can stop lying now. Under Codemonkey everything and anything is allowed on this board


adc357  No.13316890

The war was not winnable in any realistic way.

Germany came close to achieving the impossible, but it was still impossible.

The great defeat was because of a total failure in diplomacy.


9c1cda  No.13316891

>>13316884

Bullshit, the Jews are now removing posts that critique Nazitards. Same old shit back again.


fd34b4  No.13316894

>>13316891

Your incorrect opinions are allowed here. Read the rules.


bda106  No.13316897

File: bd99530f1ef139f⋯.jpg (1020.74 KB, 3840x2160, 16:9, HitlerSky7.jpg)

>>13316227

There are battles that can't be won… like having 3 superpowers and world Jewry as enemy. And not fighting the battle at all is even worse as you loose without even trying, without naming the Jew, and without open the eyes of generations to come.


67fde3  No.13317091

>>13316897

Self inflicted wounds. It was perfectly possible to name the jew and not start a three front war with every major power.

Just because you can invade a neighboring country doesn't mean you should.


ae3fd2  No.13317261

>>13316666 (BASED QUADS)

How do you think Rommel died? He was given the option to take cyanide and his treason would not be revealed, they would say he died of an infection and his family would receive his full pension. Or he could stand trial. He chose to take cyanide. He was aware of the plot and chose not to act to stop it. That is treason. The same also goes for Von Kluge, he was aware from his staff officers involvement and did nothing.

That's TWO treasonous Field Marshals. I would say that yes, Hitler's high command were absolutely against him as well.


b0d65f  No.13317264

>>13316854

That blog post is emotional drivel, desperate trying to make their "armchair general" point while being full of holes.


da7f56  No.13317318

>>13317091

False and you know this. We know today russia was already planning to overrun germany by '42 after '39

there is no excuse for you to say the soviet jews where a peace-loving people after all the europeans they exterminated.


b0d65f  No.13317336

>>13317091

Regards,

A clueless armchair general tapping on "his" keyboard.


ae3fd2  No.13317339

>>13316755 (checked)

>>Carolyn Yeager

Based as fuck.

But what is this exactly, anon? Is this a literally transcript of The Führer's own words? A recollection of a conversation he had with someone? A dramatization of his motives?


910527  No.13317381

>>13316704

you are a retard


b0d65f  No.13317399

>>13317339

The book isn't by Yeager, its a co-production of a translation and publishing between her and Wilhelm Kriessmann. Read the last page of it.

http://kriessmann.carolynyeager.net/

>original translation by Wilhelm Kriessmann, Ph.D and Carolyn Yeager from Hermann Giesler's revealing memoir, Ein Anderer Hitler (Another Hitler). A prize-winning architect, Giesler was an intimate of Adolf Hitler and also well-acquainted with many of the principal players in Hitler's Third Reich government and in the NSDAP.


2d8f1c  No.13317403

Something i always wondered. Why didn't japan attack Russia from behind?

I've ran through this scenario and it seems to work out. either have japan amass troops near the Russian border with Manchuria, drawing as much of the red army as possible, and then do Barbarossa. This would leave a good portion of troops to defend moscow who will get steamrolled again, but their reinforcements couldn't come fast enough and many would be stuck in the middle of the journey east causing confusion with any going back west.

Alternatively if they don't take the bait, japan can just steamroll the east netting them many resources while the red army waits for the German offensive, or maybe Barbarossa proceeded as planned and now they have to split between repelling the wehrmacht and the Japs.

It seems like baiting the Japs to get America into the war was the worst thing that could of happened.


9c47e3  No.13317473

>>13316214

then have them killed and replace them


1414b3  No.13317490

File: 001ce363b44976b⋯.png (483.66 KB, 500x700, 5:7, dc448ea00aa62697eb040ab8d1….png)


2b32bc  No.13317508

>>13317403

Japs were unconcerned with Europe. The nips were fighting a Pacific War which just so happened to be running concurrently with some European battles that the UK were undertaking.


9cefc6  No.13317527

He was good at understanding and prioritizing some logistical needs, such as oil, over the goals his general wanted to pursue which where less vital. But his grasp of tactical utility was poor, for example his desire to give the troops optical systems and semiauto snipers rather than the intermediate cartridge system which ultimately proved to effective that he had to admit he was wrong and agree to adopt it. He also probably shouldn't have pushed so much for uparmoring and big guns for the tanks, oddly enough a Tank Destroyer Doctrine like the one the US developed would have been far more useful to the Germans while of the USA it was a worthless pile of shit because they had so many vehicles that there really was no point in forming a reserve and instead they were better served by simply applying overwhelming force of artillery and close support which is what happened in the field in spite of established doctrine. For the Germans with their lack of resources a more frugal doctrine with Panther's supported by tank destroyers would have been better and though they did partially do that too much effort was spent on heavy tanks. That is the one thing Hitler does deserve to be chided for because he never changed his stance even when the limitation of the approach became clear and his advocacy of it did hamper the war effort though it wasn't a deciding factor and thus ultimately irrelevant to Germany's defeat. If they had thrown it all in to get the oil fields maybe they could have forced and armistice with Russia and then negotiated a settlement. His other singular mistake was not dragging his feet on engaging the USA when it was obvious that the Japs had no interest in fucking with the Soviets.


f0484f  No.13317911

>>13317399

Yes but is this Gieslers recollections years after the fact? I just wonder how reliable such exact "quotes" like this are.


1927a4  No.13318088

>>13316204

didn't he have sex and break is celibacy some time during the war and that is what caused his lapse?


de3c93  No.13318112

>>13317911

If you would have read what I provided, even before the book, you'd know. If you are unsure, then ignore it all. The answer to your question is yes.


67fde3  No.13318139

>>13317318

>russia was already planning to overrun germany by '42 after '39

That much is true. I never said otherwise. However Germany did not need to wage a conflict on all fronts. All Hitler needed to do to triumph over the next conflict was not start a war on all fronts. Simply wait while Germany increased in strength (in 1939 Germany still lacked the reserves of trained soldiers due to the restrictions of Versailles) and actually built a mechanized army for real blitzkrieg (in 1939, Germany's mechanized army was woefully undermanned and her tanks were small and underpowered. Usually, the Germans needed to use horses to move supplies around)

In fact the above reason is one reason why the Halt order was issued at Dunkirk. Sure, Hitler gave the order and he deserves criticism but ironically, I maintain that Hitler may have made the right decision here.

Remember that the small and comparatively weak Panzer divisions had already outrun their supply lines and they were operating on fumes. Had the Allies launched a counterattack they would have been helpless. Sure, the Allies couldn't but Hitler didn't know that. So he ordered an Halt to consolidate operations and prepare for a counter-attack. And when he realized that this was a mistake, he ordered the attack to resume. Hitler actually didn't do that much wrong at Dunkirk. It would have been great to annihilate the British but mistakes like this happen in the fog of war.

>>13317261

I believe that Rommel and Kluge were falsely accused. Their behavior, especially Rommel's before their deaths do not seem like the behavior of traitors.


de3c93  No.13318164

File: cc9ade85ae964d5⋯.png (6.14 MB, 1664x10584, 208:1323, Erwin Rommel, the conspira….png)

>>13317261

https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/11/10/the-conspiracy-against-field-marshal-erwin-rommel-from-greatness-to-suicide-his-story-reveals-the-allies-intentionally-protracted-wwii-devastated-europe/


eb8ca8  No.13318322

>>13317403

The Axis powers' coordination of efforts during the war was atrocious. Frequently, one power would take a major step without even informing the other powers.

One big reason the Japs stabbed Hitler in the back and didn't attack the U.S.S.R. is the Battle(s) of Khalkyn-Gol in 1939. This was a border dispute between the Soviets and the Japanese puppet state in Manchuria, named Manchuokuo. The fighting was heavy, but the Japanese armor had a tough time as it was outranged by the Soviet 45mm guns. It went back and forth, with several failed Japanese offensives, until the classic Soviet trait of continuing to pile up men and materiel and heaving it at the enemy allowed Zhukov to maneuver a double encirclement and slap down the Japanese hard.

Beyond that, the Kwantung Army in Manchuria was basically a sovereign power, little more than nominally taking orders from Tokyo, and sometimes not even that. Most of the best IJA divisions were already tied up in fighting in China (a massive conflict that gets completely overlooked as being part of WWII, somehow).

Finally, the Japs simply played Hitler. They knew war with America was inevitable due to FDR's embargo, as they were being strangled of the resources necessary to complete their extant war in China. That being the case, they might more easily defeat the U.S. with a quick strike combined with the weight of Germany's declaration. Yamamoto disagreed with this assessment, the typical "Americans are dumb and weak and will avoid a serious engagement" thinking, because he'd actually studied in the U.S. The hawks prevailed, however, and what seemed to be masterful Japanese realpolitik to extricate itself from the duel problem of the Sino-Japanese War and the U.S. embargo only ended up backfiring on them. It also fucked Hitler because a great number of troops that ended up fucking the Germans at Stalingrad came directly from the Siberian reserves, withdrawn to the west after the Soviets realized the Japs were never going to attack in the east.


c7c1fe  No.13318326

>>13316338

notice they were all failed attempts

makes you wonder if they weren't just false flags to give him greater control or to reinforce the belief in his enemies?


65b5f9  No.13318351

>>13316214

eeee Stalingrad?


000000  No.13318378

What is this trend of praising brilliant fuck ups? Hitler, Napoleon, Robert E Lee, Hannibal, etc. These are considered some of the greatest military geniuses of all time but why does it matter when they still fucked up in the end with their Waterloos?

>>13316255

This and the attempts at peace treaties all because he "respected" the eternal anglo. Hitler could have at least won the western front easily had he not been such a goody goody he's villianised even though objectively he was the nicest guy in the entire war, not that that's much of an accomplishment given the others.


4958ff  No.13318408

>>13316188

>The Greatest Military Genius of All Time

Definetly not.

>Hitler was the greatest military mind of the modern era

That's more like it.

You can just read Hitler's war and come to the same conclusion.


4958ff  No.13318416

>>13316227

Hannibal, Frederick the great, Napoleon


4958ff  No.13318424

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4958ff  No.13318428

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>>13316625

>Field Marshal Rommel

He was not in the plot. It's a really sad story actually. Both for Rommel himself and germany as a whole.


4958ff  No.13318451

>>13316890

>The war was not winnable in any realistic way.

It was. But for some reason Churchill decided to give up their entire empire to fight a pointless war with germany that in the end costed the white race its dominance over the world. No sane statesman would bet that another statesman would do that.


688af6  No.13318460

>>13316188

hitler was a kike puppet who

1. didn't take the critical straights of Gibraltar, even though he was allies with Spain.

2. Spent vast amounts of resources pointlessly in the Libyan desert

3. Stationed his army to die in the Russian winter. Twice.

you couldn't be a shiter military commander if u tried. He was a kike puppet plain and simple. These pro-hitler threads are a textbook case of derailment of the pro-white movement. Every minute u spend worshiping this kike puppet is a minute u are not spending helping yourself, your family, your community.

He's also an icon of sin for normys. Why do u think kikes spend so much time promoting hitler on the chans. why was there enough resources to make the hitler documentary "greatest story never told"? because kikes want to pigeon hole their enemies as hitler ( satan ) worshipers. And the dumb sheep on the chans swallow this bait.

but you don't fool the 2% of humans that can actually think. OP is a kike shill or a misguided fool.


4958ff  No.13318462

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688af6  No.13318489

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3ae613  No.13318497

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>>13316704

>He had the opportunity to secure the channel, but threw that away when the Bismark sank. He also must have loved the British enough to bomb civilians for eight months

Must be hard being this bluepilled

>>13316538

>>13316321

Hitler likely invaded Poland with the Soviets as a deterrent much like pic related descibes. I think we can agree that his ultimate goal was the USSR, but Britain and France would not support that endeavor and might even invade Germany or work to undermine it even if the Soviets invaded first. After all, these countries all funded the anarchists, republicans, and communists in the Spanish Civil War. And although he working to neuter these threats in his backyard, Hitler still offered peace agreement after peace agreement, and his occupying force conducted themselves well while in France Just or unjust invasion, I think that still speaks to Hitler's character.


6c4982  No.13318505

>>13316255

Agreed.

He also should have focused more on the Uboats than a surface fleet as his goal was to isolate and capture England.

He couldn't leave the soviets there with that Army amassing on his boarders though. Stalin couldn't even be trusted to uphold his part of the Warsaw pact.


4958ff  No.13318538

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b07221  No.13318581

The propaganda say's hitler was one of the most idiotic military strategic people.


bcaacf  No.13318675

>>13318112

Fine I'll read it. It looks interesting and I am familiar with the book, I am always just a little wary when people give long exact quotes or conversations years after the fact (see Speers Rise and Fall, etc)


bcaacf  No.13318688

>>13318538

I like this dudes content quite a bit but he does seem to overly critical of the Germans (probably because he himself is Austian or whatever)

Also he is legit Autistic. Just watch any of his real world interactions with people on his video. Awkward as fuck


849ac0  No.13318753

>>13316188

I have the same book. Thing is over three inches thick.


c5d4c6  No.13318774

>>13316538

>And he could have had it. He could have had everything. But he spit in the face of everyone who tried to negotiate.

Look up Hitler's 16-Point-Plan. He offered Poland some major cities in exchange for the railroad connecting the mainland with Prussia. The Poles did not even bother looking at Hitler's offering. So who spat at whose face again?


4958ff  No.13319017

>>13318688

I agree. But he has good simple points why just can't just invade britain or just break out of the stalingrad pocket like some armchair generals believes.


999547  No.13319049

>>13318460

Okay, here we go:

1. Spain wasnt really allied with germany and would have been crushed and invaded by the british in a week after the country was laying in ruins after the civil war.

2. Actually had Hitler focused more on north africa and the middle east he could have won the war by taking straits and the oil fields in Iran and attack the Soviet Baku oil fields from the south.

3. The troops in Russia didnt freeze to death: Their supplies got stuck in the spring mud.


548637  No.13319059

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>>13317403

In 1941 the nips were divided over who to attack.

The army wanted to attack Russia. The Navy wanted to attack the USA and the European colonies in Asia.

President Roosevelt then decided to embargo all US oil and petroleum exports to Japan over their occupation of Manchuria in China.

Japan had very little natural resources.

90% of their oil was imported, and most of that was imported from the USA.

The oil embargo basically meant the Japanese Navy would run out of oil in 6 months. So this action from President Roosevelt caused the Japanese to get their way and attack the US, and saved the communist regime in the Soviet Union.


d2d682  No.13319071

Yes Corporal Adolf was quite the military genius for the Jews. Just look at Europe today.


edc39c  No.13319107

>>13319071

The spamming "SHITLER KILLED 10 GORILLION WHITES FOR THE JEWS GOYIM!" slavnigger rears his ugly head again.

I'm getting real sick of you shitting up every NatSoc, Hitler or even White Nationalism related threads with this shit.

So you're anti-White Nationalism. You're anti-Hitler. You're Anti-National Socialism. Are you even pro-White at all? If all of these things are "destroying whites for the Jews", then what exactly do you suggest? I have never seen you offer any other alternatives, just spam this redtext kikery.

So are you just a shill here to divide and conquer and drive others away from NS or do you really have a better plan?


688af6  No.13319152

>>13316250

its fucking retarded to suggest that there's been such careful and detailed analysis of all wars in history that someone who failed in a war can be declared the "greatest military genius of all time" - hitler worship is awash with kikery, which is characterized by rapid escuation of person to perfect demi-god, hitler , perfect miltary strategist, greatest military genius of all time, man of the greatest story never told, most perfect national leader of all time, greatest humanitarian of all time.

When u are lost in the delusion, hypnotized by the kikery, then your icon of worship is a god to you, and no praise is beyound him - hitler the greatest perfect ultimate god of this universe and all universes in all infinite timelines. nothing would make u notice that you've lost the plot and are just a penniless vagrant chasing a illusion on the end of a stick and line with a grinning kike just behind youm encouraging you to continue in your pointless worship.


2de5f0  No.13319166

>>13316503

>AFTER Poland fucked him

How?

>they were part of the allied powers you dolt, they were involved in all of it

Obviously, so how did they enforce the treaty? Hint: they did not

>they also did not adhere to all obligated territorial withdrawals as dictated by Versailles

Explain


688af6  No.13319188

>>13319049

i haven't been on 8chan for a while , but I'm banned on halfchan for a month so i've come back. when i left 8chan/pol/ was utterly owned destroyed by kikes, gutted to the core.

Now that they have complete control, it seems the kikes have decided to use 8chan as a containment board for higher intellect of alt-right anons. here the strategy is more towards creating false icons of worship.

I can't tell if u are a mindless follower or a pied piper, but your excuses for hitlers strategic military fails are braindead, and immediately tell me u haven't a clue about military geo-strategy or history.


9b9cdc  No.13319201

>>13319166

HOW? How about rebuffing every single peace offer he made? How about not even READING the 16-point plan he submitted to them? How about encouraging and assisting their citizens in raping/torturing/murdering ethnic Germans living in Poland? What are you a Polenigger yourself?

And they kept German colonial territories even though they were supposed to be returned according to Versaille>>13319166


4958ff  No.13319226

>>13319049

>Actually had Hitler focused more on north africa and the middle east he could have won the war by taking straits and the oil fields in Iran and attack the Soviet Baku oil fields from the south.

That was Hitler's plan, but it weren't gonna happen since the british had decrypted their code so almost all supplies were sunk. Still Rommel almost manages to almost pull of the impossible.


1121b6  No.13319230

File: 323a4ac0dafe301⋯.jpg (1.94 MB, 2560x1920, 4:3, 0525191539a.jpg)

File: ce4f62364e428a3⋯.jpg (1.82 MB, 2560x1920, 4:3, 0525191539c.jpg)

Heres an example of what the book has. There are cucked notes wrote in the margins by whoever owned this before me so ignore that.

This is Hitler discussing the use and effectiveness of Flame Throwers. He knows his shit and the books full of this on every aspect of war you could imagine


8f69d7  No.13319251

>>13318428

>>David Irving

Based and NatSocpilled.

I also believe Rommel wasn't involved either actively or even aware.>>13318428


4958ff  No.13319252

>>13319230

A quite large portion of the book is available as an amazon 'look inside'. So there's obviously a pdf version somewhere on the internet.


8f69d7  No.13319258

>>13319252

They also sell a kindle version I believe so you're right, it MUST be out there in pdf or epub or whatever but fuck if I can find it and I looked for ages. Sorta wish I had bought the digital version so I could share it but Ill be goddamned if I am gonna spend money on a digitsl version, if I am gonna spend money I will just buy a physical copy, which I did


4958ff  No.13319267

>>13319251

>I also believe Rommel wasn't involved either actively or even aware

Definitely. The whole story is quite the mess and it's all based on misunderstandings from all parties. You should definitely watch the vid and part 2.

>>13319258

>They also sell a kindle version

I might be retarded but i cant find it.

Also you should definitely look into Hitler's table talk. It's very similar but about basically every topic that isnt military.


67fde3  No.13319273

>>13318774

It's not a bad plan but one must call into question its sincerity considering the Germans invaded the very next day and whilst delivering the ultimatum, the British diplomats asked for a copy to be sent to the Polish diplomats and Ribbentrop refused. How the hell are you supposed to achieve peace if you refuse to even show the diplomats of the other side what you demand? And then invade the next day? That's nuts.

I wish Hitler had tried that rout. he might have gotten what he wanted (assuming he wanted to avoid war anyway)

>>13318497

I agree. Obviously the USSR was his main objective. And Hitler was not a bad leader, nor even a bad military leader as I said earlier. He had good instincts and his occupation of France was pretty civilized compared to how the Soviets acted. However, as I have also said before, it is far better to fight only one enemy at a time. Sure, Britain and France could try to invade Germany while she was engaged with the USSR. And they would instantly look like monsters to most of even their own population. It would be a propaganda victory for the Reich and I doubt that the American population would sympathize with such behavior. But we must always remember that such a thing is entirely unprecedented in British and French behavior and completely disconnected from the political situation at the time. Britain has never been a land power and the worst they could do to Germany would be to blockade her. And France was a political powderkeg on the verge of civil war. They would be completely unlikely to just go to war against Germany if the USSR invaded Poland and Germany allied to them to fight the USSR.


1f9f43  No.13319278

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>>13316561

alexander was (((poisoned))) right as he was about to make contact with the civilizations of india.

<just a coincidence oy vey


67fde3  No.13319287

>>13319278

What about the Battle of Hydaspes where he fought and defeated a larger Indian army? The only thing that stopped Alexander from pressing further was his soldiers threatening to mutiny if he didn't return home.


688af6  No.13319298

>>13319287

there's a community of battlefags on 8/pol/. ok.

do u or any of your frens ever write anything politically incorrect?


4958ff  No.13319301

>>13319298

Niggers


bccec6  No.13320011

>>13319267

(Same guy here probably different ID though, phone posting at work with a proxy)

Man, actually I don't see the kindle or ebook option now. I could have sworn I did when looking for it. Maybe I am remembering wrong. There was also another version of this book published decades earlier I believe but obviously by different people and perhaps missing some of the transcripts. Maybe that was the one that had an ebook version? I'd look into more details on that for you but like I said at work. I'll look into it later when I get home though.

>>Table Talk

Oh I own a physical copy of Table Talk as well. I am a huge proponent of it being essential reading for all National Socialists… I think I would agree with Irving that it is perhaps even more important than Mein Kampf or Zweits Buch. It's pure and raw Hitler. I am actually the Anon who started the recent thread about putting the meme that it is fake to death once and for all. Absolutely fantastic book (and easily available online if any anons haven't read it)

Inb4 Table Talk is fake! Genoud is a lying kike! Etc.. Irving saw Bormann's originals and talked to his adjutant Heim who took the actual notes for Table Talk. That's enough for me.


3ae613  No.13320287

>>13319273

Yeah, land war isn't really the eternal Anglo's style, though I wouldn't put it past the French even with an unstable home front. But like I said, there are other ways to oppose or undermine other than direct invasion.


67fde3  No.13320368

>>13320287

You don't go building the world's greatest fortifications and then launch an invasion. French military theory in the inter-war period was devoted to static, defensive warfare. In otherwords, a repeat of WW1.

Even when the war did begin, they didn't press their advantages against Germany when they could. They fully intended to exhaust the Germans on their fortifications.

And my what a brilliant plan that was.


6c4982  No.13320380

>>13319301

You want some of them? Fine, have a dozen.

Not sure why you want them


9b9cdc  No.13320442

>>13318351

Hitler's orders to standfast and fight to the death had served Germany well up to then, it is what kept the German front from collapsing completely in '41. He had no idea about the Siberian reserves being used to trap the 6th Army and once it happened, retreat or capitulation was not an option… He is very clear on this in Table Talks and the book in OP - In these situations, it was obvious to him and he could not fathom otherwise, (which is why he was so vexed and furious that Paulus chose disgrace and surrender instead of glory in death) you take up hedgehog formation and fight till the last cartridge. That last one you save for youeself.

He used this example more than once: If a woman could shoot herself because a man had broken her heart or some other trivial shit, then how could a man be a coward and not do the same before accepting the humiliation of defeat?


2e187a  No.13321400

There is a lot of great discussion in this thread, which evidently is drawing T_D bluepills and Qushner tier obfuscation. It is simply a fact of history that the OKW dislikes Hitler, was riddled with traitors who gave full plans to the Soviets, and that Hitler's Barbarossa Plan of cutting off the north and Caucuses was changed into Napoleon 2.0: The Winter Boogaloo.


4958ff  No.13321496

>>13321400

>Hitler's Barbarossa Plan of cutting off the north and Caucuses was changed into Napoleon 2.0: The Winter Boogaloo.

Not enough people talk about this.


dcebe2  No.13321545

>greatest military genius

>letting british expeditionary force just fuck off

Doesn't look like that much of a genius to me.


a19cf3  No.13322033

the greatest military tactic developed during WWII was unrestricted ariel bombardment of cities developed by the british and demanded by Churchill.

All the historians talk bloated game on blitzkrieg while the british bombing civilian populations in germany is what won the war for the allies. Hitler did not even formulate blitzkrieg tactic. Churchill, though, demanded the bombing of civilian populations to RAF, and was therefore the instrumental in developing this tactic.


4958ff  No.13324609

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>>13321545

Not true. See vid.

>>13322033

This is the guy that started the whole strategic bombing idea.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Douhet

And it was discussed in the german air force long before the war even started.


a300cb  No.13324648

File: b2a7938dc37ce08⋯.pdf (4.2 MB, Dunkirk 'miracle' - The Ar….pdf)

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>>13324609

Irving is wrong on that one. Meanwhile:


a300cb  No.13324651

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4958ff  No.13324670

>>13324648

The view that Hitler knew that the british were beaten and deliberately let them escape is simply wrong and an after construction to make for a better diplomacy/propaganda situation.


a300cb  No.13324682

>>13324670

>an after construction to make for a better diplomacy/propaganda situation.

According to who? Irving's interpretation of a diary entry (which doesn't give a conclusion)?

They knew they were there, yes? Then they decided not to decimate the forces. The words in that book is from someone who discussed it first-hand, and knew it to be true.


4958ff  No.13324717

File: f3783fdf6a0a259⋯.png (63.43 KB, 414x606, 69:101, keitel 1.png)

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4958ff  No.13324718

File: 75a881e1d35e42e⋯.png (107.01 KB, 561x510, 11:10, milch 1.png)

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5b8fb7  No.13324728

Great enough military genius to get played by Stalin like a fiddle until Barbarossa, which was a suicide mission.

I do not understand lionizing failures.


b8a79f  No.13324861

File: d9c684cc787fcb1⋯.png (2.77 MB, 1561x1302, 223:186, 1558902636780-1.png)

>>13324728

Yeah, I guess that's why Stalin locked himself in his room for two fucking weeks the day Barbarossa was launched and begged the United States to send him trucks and war materials. All part of his master plan to play The Führer like a fiddle, eh? It totally wasn't because he was poised hiding in the tall grass like the Boshevik snake he was to strike Germany when they tied up in the west and take all of mainland Europe but The Führer saw this and struck first, right?

Fuck off /leftypol/ kike. I bet you think the Holohoax happened too you absolute fucking nonce


a300cb  No.13324975

>>13324939

What do you think you'll accomplish with your "shitler" spam? You won't.


849ac0  No.13325044

>>13324975

Part of the fecal fascination of the kikes.


053600  No.13325051

>>13324939

Spic spamming, beaner cunt.

Go blow leaves, lawnigger.


4958ff  No.13328514

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0ea828  No.13348673

>>13316188

But he lost.


000000  No.13367262

Next time, no Dunkirk.

Which will be made easy because we face total extermination. Whites had plenty of time and opportunities to see the light. If you find Whites fighting for the enemy, exterminate them mercilessly, down to the last one of them.


000000  No.13367411

>>13316538

>Maybe Hitler should have cleaned house just to show the arrogant Prussian Nobility who was boss

Savitri Devi supported this idea.

>>the Führer DID want peace with Great Britian.

>Sure obviously. But that was only so he could attack the USSR. Everyone in London knew that.

If England weren't jew'd, they'd have agreed. Who the fuck in his sane mind would not want to destroy the commies aside from Jew stooges?

>>the August 30th demands were a genuine German offer to avoid the war.

>Then they shouldn't have dismissed the British and Polish ambassadors and gone to war two days later.

The Third Reich was anti-communist and knew what the reds were up to. England and Poland buying time was unacceptable. You can lay the blame all you want on Hitler, but if they had been of good will, they'd have sided with him pronto to crush the commies. They didn't because they were jew'd and in bed with the reds. So Hitler knew a war was necessary. Sad but necessary.

All these talks about he shouldn't have attacked is just faggotry.

>Bullshit. If he wanted an alliance, he shouldn't have dismissed every Polish diplomat that offered to negotiate

And what were the terms of these negotiations really? Were they honest or just Poles weaseling their way out and giving more and more time to Stalin to build his forces?

happy.merchant.gif

In fact, any force not openly organizing against the USSR was not only anti-Germanic, but literally anti-European. They were all traitors.

Hitler did the good thing.

>>13316517

Did Hitler want to control Stalingrad or the oil in the Caucasus?… :3

>>13318139

>In fact the above reason is one reason why the Halt order was issued at Dunkirk. Sure, Hitler gave the order and he deserves criticism but ironically, I maintain that Hitler may have made the right decision here.

>

>Remember that the small and comparatively weak Panzer divisions had already outrun their supply lines and they were operating on fumes. Had the Allies launched a counterattack they would have been helpless. Sure, the Allies couldn't but Hitler didn't know that. So he ordered an Halt to consolidate operations and prepare for a counter-attack. And when he realized that this was a mistake, he ordered the attack to resume. Hitler actually didn't do that much wrong at Dunkirk. It would have been great to annihilate the British but mistakes like this happen in the fog of war.

It's food for thought, but when you can obliterate the enemy and make sure he won't be a problem in near future, you do so, you must obliterate him.

England, with movie quotes:

— There is still good in him.

Wrong. Churchill was completely ((())) by that time.

— It cannot be reasoned with.

That. Always true about a jew'd country. Considered it lost until you managed to cut the head off.

>>13318326

Several came very close to cut him in pieces. Some were just too hardcore to make the statement they were fake so he could strengthen his grip.


cab95c  No.13367459

>>13316188

Modern military operations are not dependent on one "genius", WW2 was huge with hundreds or generals and thousands of senior officers, it was the united struggle of the German people and reducing it to Hitler is an insult to the worker, women, soldiers and youth who bare his name.

Hitler got overconfident in the success of the Wehrmacht and had delusions of grandeur, he refused his commanders autonomy and didnt listen, this was of course after Kursk so it didnt really affect the outcome of the war, but declaring Hitler a military mastermind is ridiculous.

He wanted to use newly developed jets as bombers, wanted impractical super heavy tanks and put his trust into infant super weapons, he was a fool.

>>13316262

Barbarossa was a preemptive strike


67fde3  No.13367535

>>13367411

>If England weren't jew'd, they'd have agreed.

I disagree. First of all, while the jew did hold great power in the UK, they weren't the only ones calling the shots. Indeed, they were one faction among several vying for power.

Secondly, the reason why most powerful factions in London were behind the war was two-fold

1. Hitler had flat out humiliated Britain early on by making a treaty and then going back on it. Chamberlain was not a warmonger and would have continued to work with Hitler had he not humiliated him. Hitler empowered Churchill and the war-hawk faction by embarrassing the pro-peace factions.

2. The British elites have always operated upon a policy of maintaining relative power parity between the different continental powers. So of course they're not going to just sit on their thumbs twittling away while Hitler usurps their own power.

Thirdly, everyone in London understood that if Hitler did win his war against the USSR, he'd just turn around and start dominating Britain. And after Hitler proved that he didn't care about international diplomatic norms by stabbing Chamberlain in the back, that steeled their nerves and turned even the diplomatic English elites permanently against him.

In short, no.

>if they had been of good will, they'd have sided with him pronto to crush the commies.

That's not what is being said. If Hitler had been of good will, he wouldn't have dismissed all the diplomats who attempted to resolve the situation peacefully.

>It's faggotry

Hmm. Well starting an unwinnable war and guarenteeing the rape of yoru people is much worse than faggotry. If you think that national sovereignity is faggotry, you might be a faggot yourself.

>The poles were working with Stalin.

That's gay. Making baseless claims is gay.

>If you CAN attact someone (and then get obliterated later) you SHOULD attack them (and then get obliterated later)

That is also gay. Stop being gay.


000000  No.13367716

>>13319071

kys you kike

Without Germany the entirety of Europe would have been turned communist. Cue the state of communist countries even up to today.

>>13320011

Those digits bruh!

>Table Talks

>It's pure and raw Hitler.

Actually, they aren't. More like 90% Hitler. Four persons got involved in the production of those talks in the end. What they are, though, is rather pure NatSoc stuff since regardless of who took notes, assembled them, how, and who edited them, it all happened at the upper, upper level.

The anti-christian stuff, it is perhaps safer to see it as Bormann's input.


000000  No.13367783

>>13367535

>I disagree. First of all, while the jew did hold great power in the UK, they weren't the only ones calling the shots. Indeed, they were one faction among several vying for power.

Please. They had been holding this nation by the balls for centuries since Cromwell. Churchill, a man who proved to be a complete failure as a politician, then sunken in debt, miraculously got pimped and put at the top of power command. That is the behind-the-scenes-power you need to know about to prove the Jews were pulling the strings and could split seas to push anyone they wanted through.

Winston was their subservient puppet and wasn't short on waging a total war. That's the kind of psychos Jews have a knack for sniffing and putting in places of power.

> 1. Hitler had flat out humiliated Britain early on by making a treaty and then going back on it. Chamberlain was not a warmonger and would have continued to work with Hitler had he not humiliated him. Hitler empowered Churchill and the war-hawk faction by embarrassing the pro-peace factions.

That's fucking faggy. Being humiliated because Hitler wants to protect his country and sees the red storm growing on the horizon? Fuck that shit.

> 2. The British elites have always operated upon a policy of maintaining relative power parity between the different continental powers

Bull-fucking-sheeyet.

They didn't care two nuts about said parity when the Soviets invaded Poland. They didn't let Germany and the USSR kill each other. They openly took sides, because the USSR was Jewish and England was jew'd.

>That's not what is being said. If Hitler had been of good will, he wouldn't have dismissed all the diplomats who attempted to resolve the situation peacefully.

Are you kidding me? Because Germany didn't make many propositions to solve the problem?

The situation was nothing peaceful from the beginning because Jews were looking for a way to provoke Germany. Any lie, any manipulation would be good to crush Germany. It was the whole point of the war, it's even been openly stated by Churchill himself. They never looked for peace. If the reds had overrun Germany, England would have looked in glee.

>Hmm. Well starting an unwinnable war and guarenteeing the rape of yoru people is much worse than faggotry. If you think that national sovereignity is faggotry, you might be a faggot yourself.

Where do you see national sovereignty here, genius? There was no national sovereignty for Germany.

You cannot argue on one hand that Germany should have remained a docile submissive creature, sticking to the Versailles treaty, in order to avoid bruising the ego of Chambergay, which would obviously be easily understood by anyone reading this as Germany not looking into obtaining true national sovereignty; and then on the other hand reproach Hitler for actually preparing for an inevitable war in order to protect his country, because Jews didn't like a White nation liberating herself from the Jewish clutches.

Your argue like a Jew.

>>The poles were working with Stalin.

>That's gay. Making baseless claims is gay.

Where did I write that?

>>If you CAN attact someone (and then get obliterated later) you SHOULD attack them (and then get obliterated later)

>That is also gay. Stop being gay.

Where did I write that?

(offhand note: notice, btw, that the Soviets did get obliterated)


67fde3  No.13367849

>>13367783

>Churchill this churchill that

Churchill was not in charge of Britain in 1939. I've addressed this numerous times before.

>Where did I write that?

You claimed earlier that Hitler just HAD to launch his nation into an unwinnable war with the world because

>Poles weaseling their way out and giving more and more time to Stalin to build his forces?

That's flat out retarded. The Polish government was not working with the USSR.

What you are doing is exactly identical to what the jews do. You make up insane allegations and attempt to pass it off as fact. But that only works on idiots.

You also claimed that

>when you can obliterate the enemy and make sure he won't be a problem in near future, you do so, you must obliterate him.

This is a nigger's mentality towards life.

>Muh muh muh, if I canz hits him, I mustz hits dis here crakka'

Stop being a nigger.

Intelligent White people don't just attack everyone around them because they can. We have higher thought and can work out our differences like humans rather than like animals.

>It's faggy that the Brits didn't like Hitler protecting his country… by invading other countries.

That's dumb.

You're clearly an idiot.

I'm not going to waste my time addressing all the false, dumb, and flat out ridiculous claims your nigger mind believes.

If anyone wants to see an intelligent critique of Hitler's actions, see >>13367535


67fde3  No.13367856

File: d81451e6eff8156⋯.jpg (211.31 KB, 1600x1138, 800:569, The Soviets lost WW2 clear….jpg)

>>13367783

>notice, btw, that the Soviets did get obliterated)

Oh but I do need to address this with a;

PffffffffaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

These nigger is so historically illiterate that he thinks that Germany won WW2


400da0  No.13367864

Oh hey, my thread got bumped. Nice. Urge all of you to find this book, it's great.

>>13367856

Fuck off Judso-Bolshevik scum


96b046  No.13367872

>>13318505

wouldnt have mattered the allies made big advancedments in sonar to outpace stealth subs since the electric uboats came too late. They almost neutralized wolf packs with plane mount radar sonar and would bomb the fuck out of them. Now had they advanced the electric uboats sooner now we are talking. They could fire from underwater and only need to resurface for oxygen.


67fde3  No.13367887

>>13367864

Learn to read a few posts back in a thread.

If you had done so, you'd realize that I'm not glorifying the sack of Berlin. I'm pointing out why it happened and explaining to anons how to prevent similar tragedies in the future.

The way to avoid failure and loss is simple; simply stop thinking like a nigger and start thinking like a White man.

Stop being a nigger


4aa31e  No.13367888

>>13367856

stop arguing with yourself on tor retard


3b0e24  No.13368068

>>13316188

>grestest military genius

>attacks enttire world at the same time

>backstabs all

>attacks Russia when winter is coming

Look, if he managed an alliance with soviets he could have won, but Germany vs the world was and always will he a bad idea


79f4ab  No.13369020

>>13316188

Hitler was an amazing social engineer and leader however his military leadership skills were lacking. Should have garrisoned his soldiers in the winter and insured adequate bread. It’s how Julius Caesar took over Europe in much more precarious conditions


dd295e  No.13369028

File: c667dc0225c395a⋯.jpg (11.56 KB, 308x164, 77:41, images(17).jpg)

>>13367887

Nice try kike


2a7262  No.13369042

Shock factor only works early. To wield lightning consistently you have to be on… well… none of you will understand what the rest of this paragraph was going to be, so what’s the point writing it?

You know what’s a weird feeling? To know something as a meat-truth and yet know also that to most of the planet it will sound like a prayer to God.

Suffice to say though, once you know someone will throw everything into specific concentration that whole tendency can be countered and punished. In military strategy you also have to punish the punishment, and Hitler wasn’t really good at that. That’s part of why his military leadership declined.

There’s a “song” that I think encapsulates Hitler’s leadership, and I think his opponents could hear it, too… but that really is an invocation of God, when I say that. For better or for worse, the man got composted by entropy, and is just part of the history we inherit from all those who partook in creating this world.


79f4ab  No.13369165

>>13369042

Pretty good take anon. I’m still trying to figure out whether Hitler did it as a massive spiritual explosion purposely for some divine reason that has not manifested itself entirely or if he was indeed extremely limited in military knowledge. Any good strategist and tactician knows you never play the same card over and over especially facing overwhelming odds. The art of war after all is to yield which makes me believe that Hitler whether consciously or unconsciously sacrificed himself and the Reich so that the Europeans Peoples in the same spirit could seize the entire world.


6a875e  No.13369716

>>13316262

Sealion was impossible.

Obviously, with retrospect, the war against Russia was also unwinnable, but that was not known at the time.


6a875e  No.13369734

>>13368068

What is with this retarded

>Attacked Russia when winter is coming

Barbarossa started in June, and was supposed to begin even earlier. Winter is always coming. No one could have predicted that the winter of 1941 would be the harshest in a century. Hitler made mistakes, besides the first winter his hold at all costs orders cost the Wehrmacht valuable men and material. He inserted himself into tank design and as a result the Panther was overloaded with armor, and in general the new tank designs prevented the old designs from having a streamlined industrial process developed to produce them. He also tended to play politics with military command, and other important posts as well. He preferred to have rival generals in positions of authority, so they would "balance each other" but in practice that resulted in disunity.

Compared to the OKW he was a gifted amateur. He didn't come with the preconceived notions a German general staff officer had. Sometimes that worked to his benefit. As the war ground on, his mistakes started to tell.


0bd6b3  No.13369843

I am no history buff on the war but I’ll say one thing that I know for a fact that Hitler did wrong.

That is playing by so called “rules”. Hitler wasted so much resources being a humanitarian and providing those he kept in camps with food and activities and he also was against anything such that he considered a “war crime”.

In allies didn’t abide by these so “ethics” that Hitler did. They didn’t waste resources on having rabbit breeding farms or greenhouses in their camps or not take certain military action because they were concerned about harming innocent civilians. They just did whatever it took to win. Hitler should of been a much more ruthless. It is a hard thing to do but in the end if you lose then your people will experience ruthlessness 10 fold which they did in the bombing of Dresden, the communist gulags and the continued Jewish rule that persists to our current day. Fuck all optics, next time we fucking just do whatever we must to ensure we win.


8820dd  No.13369868

>>13318416

Napoleon was a psycopathic megaloman. He massacred everyone even if they surrendered and wanted to surpass the feats of Alexander the Great.

He even sacrificed his own troops not to accept defeat. He was a tyran and he was destined to fail because of how many enemies he created along the way.


4958ff  No.13369993

>>13369868

The point was that Napoleon was a great military mind but still lost.


746da1  No.13370002

File: 3d6ef713d4386af⋯.jpg (43.36 KB, 540x405, 4:3, 3d6ef713d4386af01b0907bcec….jpg)

>>13316188

Hitler got fucked and only lost because he never wanted to start a war in the first place. The genocide of ethnic Germans in Poland and Eastern Europe by Jews forced his hand and he sued for peace right after invading Poland. Even before Poland he declared he was only invading to protect the Germans there who where being murdered for no god damn reason. Most of the mass graves dug up in Poland were Germans but you never hear about that.


a8df04  No.13370010

>>13324609

YouTube silenced this account


746da1  No.13370107

File: 49770634f816366⋯.gif (1.95 MB, 500x347, 500:347, 1555993711051.gif)

>>13370034

Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told


4958ff  No.13370183

>>13370010

https://www.bitchute.com/video/G4beonhuugSv/


e3ec42  No.13370503

>>13369042

>none of you will understand what the rest of this paragraph was going to be, so what’s the point writing it?

humor us, you LARPing faggot


400da0  No.13370727

>>13369042

This shit sounds QUITE Semetic to me. Sounds like batshiy kike wizardry.


400da0  No.13370759

>>13317490

>>13316262

Thank you for colorizing this by the way anon. Using the tech from the "giving color to the Third Reich" thread right? Looks pretty dann good for AI colorization


6a5bfc  No.13371986

File: 3ce2614f49b488f⋯.jpg (156.78 KB, 300x385, 60:77, kalki.jpg)

>>13316188

Hitler's defeat resulted from his magnanimity and benevolence, he was a visionary and an ideologue and failed to see the material war in strategic terms, for instance that he saw Great Britain as an ally and failed to prepare for an invasion (Operation Sea Lion) that would have been feasible and decisive, not to mention numerous other military mistakes which aren't worth mentioning. To say Hitler was the greatest military genius of all time is not only laughably ahistorical but is also to say that the greatest military genius could not lead the aryan people out of the darkness into a new golden age which is to all but admit defeat. Hitler is not Kalki and was thus destined to fail.


13778c  No.13372044

>>13316262

https://archive.org/details/youtube-KFiOi_UnX98

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wnoAAuZSnEbY/

https://8ch.net/player.php?v=https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c81695f98c9504458134e6238258a890bbfdfff3c79c3dbc2046259b46507efa.webm&t=Operation%20Barbarossa%20-%20Ernst%20Z%C3%BCndel%20speaks%20on%20Adolf%20Hitler%27s%20100th%20birthday.webm&loop=1


b990c8  No.13377716

literally no one believes hitler was a military genius. fuck off


000000  No.13393298

>>13369868

> He massacred everyone even if they surrendered and wanted to surpass the feats of Alexander the Great.

a) prove he killed surrendering people

b) enemies are enemies

c) nothing wrong aiming for the best

>tyrant

Prove that too. Like, now!

>>13371986

>(Operation Sea Lion) that would have been feasible and decisive

Hardly. Even with the French navy if it had been spared the sabotage by the Allies.


9e18d9  No.13394048

People always forget the stupid amount of men and equipment that Hitler destroyed during the initial phases of Barbarossa. It's clear that the Soviets were building up to invade. There's a video on YouTube where he explains to a Finnish gentleman that he felt forced to attack Russia, because they just needed to take Romania to cut off Germany's oil supply and win the war. He succeeded in neutralizing the threat that could have killed Germany's war machine in 1942. What he didn't succeed in was stopping a madman from getting massive amounts of American guns and trucks and throwing tens of millions of men into a meat grinder, like they were cattle. I believe that there are five things which cost Germany the war: generals, ultra, oil bombing, manpower, and industry.


40f5e6  No.13394282

>>13316704

>Hitler was a military retard. He was an amazing orator and the blitzkrieg initially worked wonders, but that's about it. He started a war on multiple fronts and made enemies out of most of Europe.

Stopped reading here. You have the typical ignoramus opinion typical of those with no knowledge on the subject.

Also, Hitler made ALLIES with more countries in Europe than Britain did.

Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Spain (sort of), Croatia, Italy, France (sort of), Sweden (sort of), Finland, Bulgaria, Baltic States nationalists, Ukrainian nationalists, etc. (I am reasonably sure I am missing some) Britain had what… Poland and France? And France practically switched sides too. All the other countries that joined WW2 on Britain's side did so because Hitler occupied them for strategic purposes, not due to any sort of diplomacy.


63c333  No.13396311

>>13316227

10 million men

4 billion men

ok


86bd1c  No.13396506

>>13316227

They did have a mole in their mist which means the allies got some info ahead of time.


23c183  No.13396550

>>13319188

most goyim are dumb sheep like these (((hitler))) worshipers. Very few like you are able to think critically. Sadly i fear another (((antichrist))) will arise and all the goyim will follow their master to their doom like last time. fuck humanity they deserve to die off. >>13319188


c2fe36  No.13396640

>>13316267

U N D E F E A T E D

Seriously though Alexabder gad some god tier luck but also he was still a great commander despite his massive ego


67fde3  No.13396713

>>13396311

As I explained in great detail, he didn't need to throw away his nation by declaring war on 4 billion people. (also, you're being dishonest here. Germany was a nation of around 80 million at that time. Not 10 million.)

>>13396506

Informants exist on all sides in all wars. It is true that Allied Intelligence was superior during the war but that need not have been the case. Germans are way too blunt and trusting. They made terrible spies.


358ac7  No.13396961

>>13396550

Get a load of the glow on this nigger kek


23c183  No.13398194

>>13396961

? facts hurt.


308329  No.13405910

guys, why is Malaysia's Prime Minister is so redpilled on the jews? Why is he the only prime minister who can attack the jews openly? look at the jews getting BTFO and seething.. I think he is secretly Nazi

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9JM5ZEyPKY


2a3e56  No.13405929

>>13396550

dear lord get a grip my federal friend


a7ccf7  No.13406101

>>13316227

Vidya is not real life, faggot.


3bfadc  No.13406573

>>13405910

Now do you see why two Malaysian Airways planes have been lost in ‘mysterious circumstances’ and all the subsequent propaganda about unstable muzzle pilots? Yisrael does revenge very well.


c65607  No.13406583

>>13316188

The main reason he lost the war was because Germany had no oil. If only Italy knew about all that oil in Lybia.


880a4d  No.13406743

>>13319273

>but one must call into question its sincerity considering the Germans invaded the very next day and whilst delivering the ultimatum, the British diplomats asked for a copy to be sent to the Polish diplomats and Ribbentrop refused. How the hell are you supposed to achieve peace if you refuse to even show the diplomats of the other side what you demand? And then invade the next day?

What?

https://youtu.be/HBLgZAv_Iqo?t=730


880a4d  No.13406756

>>13319273

>the Germans invaded the very next day

The Germans invaded Poland 10 days after making the proposal! Not 1 day, 10 DAYS!


435138  No.13426010

>>13316891

Critique of what?

The shit you posted is emotional driven.


faccf3  No.13426021

Wasn't his failure in stalingrad because he failed to seize the oil in Baku?


6da40c  No.13426023

File: 68712e34950a7a1⋯.jpg (1.75 MB, 1232x5196, 308:1299, 68712e34950a7a17cae422436e….jpg)


a28a64  No.13426030

>>13316293

The greatest general of all time is Pyrrhus. But he lost so he's unknown.


6da40c  No.13426033

>>13398194

>facts

You mean the ones that easily get debunked?


6da40c  No.13426037

>>13426030

Yup.

Great men dont always win.


a793da  No.13426048

File: f1afbd9a8eb13c9⋯.jpg (91.1 KB, 634x805, 634:805, 798365678.jpg)

>>13316188

What military genius sends thousands of young german men into other european countries to terrorize and kill fellow europeans?


faccf3  No.13426054

>>13426048

If you hadn't specified the nationality, I could've just as easily said "Stalin".


435138  No.13426057

>>13426048

Mad man like stalin or Churchill would, retard sacrificed his entire empire just to fight germany.


9d1e9e  No.13426068

If Hitler was such a military genius then why did he let a Jew inject him with meth before making his delicate decisions under the influence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell


7ed9d4  No.13426074

>>13426048

He really tried everything to not go to war, He Really did, there is even a video of Churchill with Roosevelt saying he don't want to make no peace with Germany, if he did, she would have accepted it in an instant.


a47b4a  No.13426093

>>13316214

German high command knew what they were doing, but they knew they could get away with disobeying orders and pursuing their own plans, but as the war situation worsened and their lack of confidence in Hitler grew, they ignored more and more important orders until finally they failed to secure the Caucasus oil fields, at which point they all knew the war was lost and those generals who thought they might survive the war decided to save face by blaming their fuckups on Hitler.


60ca81  No.13426097

>>13426048

>>13426068

Bad bait.

An extremely short history lesson since you got it wrong: it was the USSR which had the leadership, brutal system and propaganda machine which lead countless men (and mongrels) to ravage Europe.


9d1e9e  No.13426109

>>13426097

Where's my refutation?


6a875e  No.13426211

File: 769f1c463e65d05⋯.png (1009.51 KB, 1919x1484, 1919:1484, German_Summer_Offensive,_2….PNG)

>>13426021

That's uh… very incorrect. Taking Stalingrad was meant to secure the northern flank of AG South (technically AG A and B at that point, but frankly that was a fiction, the assets in the region amounted to a single army group, not two) for the push into the Caucasus. Moreover, the Wehrmacht had enough fuel to supply itself with just Romanian oil. Taking Baku would have helped, but it was more important to deny the oil to the Russians (and cut the railway that the allies were using to supply lend lease to the Soviets from the south.) Arguably the best strategy would have been to concentrate the entirety of AGS against Stalingrad, and then once the northern flank was secured, turn south towards Baku. By splitting AGS in two, Hitler diluted the striking power of the army group. As it was, Stalingrad was an obvious disaster waiting to happen, and poor Paulus, who gets so much blame for what happened there, had been asking for permission to withdraw behind the Don for weeks before the Soviet offensive smashed into his overextended flanks. Pic related, the Red Army was never even cleared from the west bank of the Don, but the entirety of the sixth army, along with most of fourth tank army were concentrated in the very tip of the advance, fighting for the city itself.


67fde3  No.13427382

>>13406756

The 16 point peace plan was issued on August 31st. When the Polish and British diplomats offered to negotiate, Ribbentrop dismissed them. The war began on September 1st.


2257df  No.13428140

I cant stop laughing.

A complete failure. The generals were against him, because they belonged to the almight prussian tradition, a tradition which you, socialists, will never understand.


6a875e  No.13428720

>>13428140

The same almighty Prussian tradition that both lost the first world war and ran a heavily socialized government?

The second statement is more controversial than the first to a retard like you, so I'm just going to quote directly from wikipedia: Bismarck built on a tradition of welfare programs in Prussia and Saxony that began as early as in the 1840s. In the 1880s he introduced old-age pensions, accident insurance, medical care and unemployment insurance that formed the basis of the modern European welfare state. He came to realize that this sort of policy was very appealing, since it bound workers to the state, and also fit in very well with his authoritarian nature. The social security systems installed by Bismarck (health care in 1883, accident insurance in 1884, invalidity and old-age insurance in 1889) at the time were the largest in the world and, to a degree, still exist in Germany today.


9f0447  No.13428759

>>13316188

>loses world war 2

>gets caught in the same trap as napoleon

Hitler was a lot of positive things, but military genius wasn't one of them.


812618  No.13428815

File: d29c3682a350756⋯.webm (3.65 MB, 420x360, 7:6, NS18.webm)


de7731  No.13428822

Hitler was a Jew agent


812618  No.13428825

File: 79349338a0634f9⋯.mp4 (10.63 MB, 500x282, 250:141, I believe.mp4)

>>13428822

What if you're lying or decieved, Moshe?


3be1b1  No.13428854

>>13316204

they ran out of manpower and oil


3be1b1  No.13428866

>>13316321

>And who's decision was that?

churcill


10803c  No.13428871

if anyone does some nazi murder can they play this song while live streaming it?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oqj8oVVK3lJ4/


67fde3  No.13428875

>>13428866

>My decisions are never my fault!

>It's ALWAYS someone else's fault when I make a decision!

You have a nigger's mentality.


35d2ad  No.13428897

>>13316321

Shit that never happened


d0b4f4  No.13428921

Letting England go at Dunkirk was probably one of the biggest mistakes. Never trust the eternal anglo. They are a lost cause, and this isn't D&C. That entire Island is 100% fucked and they will never recover from the Jewish dick that's been ramming their ass for centuries.


6a875e  No.13428973

>>13428815

>>13428759

>>13428822

>>13428825

>>13428854

>>13428866

>>13428871

>>13428897

>>13428921

>Thread is up for months

>Gets one or two decent posts a day.

>Suddenly within an hour 8 different (1) or (2) shitposts show up, some openly advocating violence

Whatcha doing there glownigger.


f1d0f2  No.13429037

>>13316188

His generals, if anything, are the ones to blame for the failure of the Russian Campaign.


d0b4f4  No.13429050

>>13428973

Explain how my post is advocating violence


6a875e  No.13429188

>>13429050

Not you, I debated including you in that string tbh. I did because you were D&Cing, but I don't really disagree. Individual Brits have recognized the nightmare their country is becoming, George Orwell is the best example. But as a whole there's something uniquely horrible about what they've done.


435138  No.13431946

>>13426109

You used (((wikipedia))) other than that you don't deserve it.




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