1916a2 No.4893479
Why is Fascism a good governing system?
Can we put into words why some of us like this?
Debate the finer points of Fascism?
a87f2b No.4893744
Because it's what's approaches Plato's Republic the most.
77b5bc No.4894315
>systems
You still dont get it
6eae37 No.4894347
>>4893479
Because fags, Jews, other undesirables BTFO.
25be89 No.4894360
>spend 6-12 hours a day reading politically charged material
>gather nuanced understanding of various political issues
>vote in election
>vote has same weight as 20 year old pothead who watches The Daily Show for 20 minutes a day every weeknight
I don't necessarily love the idea of fascism, I hate the idea that mass media has control of the government in a democracy.
5cbe93 No.4894368
>lose world war
>good system
here's something to think about: it's not.
1916a2 No.4894523
>>4894315
That's why I want to understand it more. I don't 100% understand it at this point, and to back it I would like to grasp more of it from an unbiased view.
Everything online pretty much just paints it as being ebil
pics related
>>4894368
>have the entire world attack you
>still suffer less casualties
f3194d No.4894545
>>4893479
Because it's free of internationalism and allows for the self-determination of a Nation of people.
9440ac No.4894566
>>4894368
It took the whole world to defeate facism.
The key tennet of facism is this: The people of your nation ALWAYS come first.
Hitler made a speach where he described the competeing political schools of the world
Paraphrasing:
"What does democracy or authoratarianism mean to these internationalist hyenas?
They only care about one thing: are you willing to be plundered?
Yes or no?
Will you stay quiet in the proccess?
Yes or no?
And when a democracy is willing to be plundered, it is good, but when an authoritarian state stands up and says 'No more!' then that is bad."
5cbe93 No.4894744
>>4894523
>>4894566
>have the entire world attack you
>took the whole world to defeat fascism
you mean beat by global Jews and gommunists? kek, fashfags got BTFO by history. it's a weak ideology.
d396c9 No.4894792
>>4893479
"Unlike other forms of government, there is no concrete definition of fascism. The word "fascism" comes from the fasces, the bundle of sticks used as a symbol of authority in ancient Rome - appropriately, since the first fascist government, that of Benito Mussolini in Italy, aspired to regain Rome's glory.
Some common elements of fascism include strong nationalist sentiment, xenophobia, subordination of individual interests to the community, militarism and glorification of the army, secret police forces that enforce secret laws, informer networks, suppression of civil liberties and independent media, and economic policies that tightly tie business and commerce to government. (Note that many of these features are common in communist states as well.)
Fascist states need not be authoritarian, although they usually are; when fascist leaders are democratically elected (as Adolf Hitler was), they often try to modify or abolish the democratic institutions that placed the leaders in power. "
Civ 4 entry.
9440ac No.4894834
>>4894744
Paid by the post or by the hour, kike?
270bcd No.4894839
>>4894744
Yeah, took the entire fucking world to stop Germany just because they stopped the banks.
Even the strongest white man in the world would go down if you throw entire gangs of niggers at him sadly enough.
We could had joined with him and made the west great again, instead we are being fucked by jews and muslims thanks to inept politicians.
We fought the wrong guys.
1916a2 No.4894876
>>4894839
Tbh Russia just threw people at Germany
d1c962 No.4894900
>>4894523
>those images
Go wait in a bread line or something. I guarantee the person who made those images knows nothing about fascism, because leftycucks like to live in ignorance
d1c962 No.4894921
>>4894744
Cuckitalism and gommunism killed themselves, that's far weaker
17948f No.4894928
>>4894523
Fascism is not an ideology. Its not a system.
It just means bundle. It stands for togetherness.
5cbe93 No.4895085
>>4894834
[spoilers]I do it for free[/spoilers]
1916a2 No.4895122
>>4895085
anon why? Do you think you're on reddit still?
1dfeec No.4895267
Fascism is a godawful system. It's prone to civil war, coups, and purges.
…what, you thought Hitler and Mussolini and Hirohito were the only fascists? Crack open accounts of Rome, the original fascist nation. Conflicts would break out almost every generation to decide who the next ruler would be.
1dfeec No.4895292
>>4894566
>the whole world
Japan, Italy, Finland, Germany. The "rest of the world" was Britain (and her colonies), America, and the Soviets. South America largely stayed out of it and Africa was a battleground for resources.
4f57ed No.4895402
>>4895267
>Conflicts would break out almost every generation to decide who the next ruler would be.
It is necessary. Stability is death, it is devolution. When there is world peace, there will be no man.
9440ac No.4895417
>>4895267
>Deciding leaders by might and merit is wrong!
0f99f3 No.4895450
>>4893479
Good link to get normies to open up to the word.
What is Fascism? - Fascism Explained
http://youtu.be/5rMpEYuLckI
9440ac No.4895487
>>4895292
>Germany
>The size of Texas
>A few other smaller nations
Against landmasses like
>USA
>Canada
>USSR
>Australia
>China
Shill harder.
0f99f3 No.4895503
>>4893479
>>4893479
Good link to get normies to open up to the word.
What is Fascism? - Fascism Explained
http://youtu.be/5rMpEYuLckI
0f99f3 No.4895530
>>4895450
Fucking doublepost. Site is acting up for me.
9750b5 No.4895540
>>4895503
kek
Cartoonfags btfo, I actually appreciated Rick for this.
Someone post the comparison of cartoonfags and niggers.
GO
cfe0fe No.4895548
facism =/= national socialism
1dfeec No.4895593
>>4895373
>>4895402
>>4895417
I urge you to actually READ the fucking Roman histories. No, seriously, stop LARPing on the internet and go read them.
Merit was rarely an issue- assassination was often the tool used to take out uppity young senators or legates. Look at the Gracchi brothers, for example. And these conflicts nearly destroyed Rome multiple times by sending legion against legion and leaving the nation vulnerable to outside forces.
1dfeec No.4895609
>>4895593
Also, a fascist nation will, by necessity, run on a plunder based economy. That only works as long as you have neighboring countries to plunder; your economy collapses when there's no booty or tribute to send home.
25be89 No.4895615
>>4895540
I think you're looking at it wrong just because you hate weebs
My reaction was, it's fucking hysterical that a political analyst talked about masturbating to cartoons on national television as if it had any relevance to the discussion. If that wasn't enough, he went on to claim that angry young men with nothing to lose have never made any political changes happen (PROTIP: literally every single time any major political change has ever happened angry young men were the reason)
Couple that with a fucking Forbes article about cartoon masturbating and it's just hilarious. I know some people may conflate weebs and Trump supporters/alt-righters/whatever you call yourself, but I don't really care. I don't like anime and I'm also anonymous.
so yeah. "Appreciating" Rick is stupid. He didn't shit on weebs, he called you one. But no need to be too offended by it because it's absurd that he even brought it up in the first place, and quite honestly it probably destroyed his career.
c49c43 No.4895662
Yes in the short term
No in the long term
This is why I settled on Paleoconservatism.
0f99f3 No.4895716
>>4895548
Agreed. Germany's natsoc will not work in America in current year. You cannot just teleport and fit their model into ours.
95a360 No.4895725
Moussolini was heavily ispired by Vilfrido Pareto's research which is the same as the origin for the 80/20 rule. Essentially approximately 80% of your problems come from 20% of your sources and 80% of your productivity comes from 20% of your sources.
So if you can successfully identify the 20% of people cough niggers then you can eliminate 80% of your problems. Result: a much more functional society.
8987ac No.4895727
>>4895593
>go read a book
Now where have I heard that before?
>>>/reddit/
Why don't you actually present your argument with something to back it up. Because all I see coming from your posts is bullshit.
0f99f3 No.4895769
>>4895609
Doesn't have to be plunder based at all. In fact, as long as you are not producing degeneracy or being a scumbag to workers for no reason, its pretty capitalist.
7fc3aa No.4895815
>>4895615
Rick is the angry boomer realizing he fucked up and will have no power soon. That's why he sperged out. He's fighting it but it's futile.
Also saved the pic because the fake Hitler quote is hilarious.
>>4895662
>No in the long term
This is what I'm also interested in. Neither NatSoc nor Fascism ruled long enough to see the long-term consequences of their economic policies. Why do you think they won't work?
4f57ed No.4895816
>>4895593
>actually READ
Why don't you? It's a standard practice.
Ottomans killed each other within a family as a rule in the appex of their power. Father would often kill off the weaker sons, if he was merciful. It was a good practice for them.
1dfeec No.4895835
>>4895727
>Polybius
>Tacitus
>Caesar
>Sallus
>Livy
>Pliny
>Suetonius
>Josephus before you say anything, yes, he was from the Judean province. His accounts demonstrate Jewish thinking in the ancient world, disseminated for a largely Roman audience
I already gave you the example of the Gracchus brothers who attempted to reform Rome's army and agriculture and were assassinated in the Forum as a result. Caesar himself was stabbed to death by his fellow Caesars. Don't forget the wars between Sulla and Marius- despite the reforms being created and named after the latter, he lost.
1dfeec No.4895872
>>4895835
>fellow Caesars
Should be senators. Et tu, Brutus? etc. etc. though he actually said it in Greek since he was a Hellenophile.
>>4895816
How is that a good practice? The nuclear family is one of the aspects of Western Civilization that led to its dominance.
0f99f3 No.4895882
>>4895609
>>4895769
Fascist copypasta.
This is exactly what we should be striving for:
A highly militant, exclusionary, technocratic meritocracy built around the ideas of radical traditionalism. A society hell-bent on expansion and the preservation of one's own kind and culture, at the detriment of all others'… this is the only natural, sane response to a world filled with subhuman filth and degenerate untermensch whose only goal in life is the extermination of everything just and pure.
We tried to give the Other its chancel we bent over backwards accommodating them; we shared our technology, our art, our literature, our accomplishments; we educated them, fed them, allowed entire broods of them to settle in our ancestral lands; we humbled ourselves; apologizing for imaginary slights and grovelling at their feet for the perceived transgressions of taming this planet and bringing the torch of civilization to the world… And for what? All our efforts are rewarded with scorn, hatred, jealousy, and outright malevolence.
We need a new system.
Something more noble than the petty mercantile aspirations of Semites.
Something greater than the slave-like morality imposed upon us by alien religions.
A society built on unshakable, indelible foundations, woven from our own racial stock and governed by the guiding light of Apotheosis; that driving, all-consuming framework of beliefs that the White man is his own god, that he IS god; the keeper of his own destiny, noble by birth, master by choice, tyrant by necessity, and ruler by right!
We tamed this world once, and we can do it again.
But first, we must burn the heretic, kill the mutant, and purge the unclean.
And then, when we've freed ourselves of weakness, empathy, remose, and guilt, when the last subhuman has been cleansed from Terra and the last trace of their existence purged from this planet, we'll ascend to the stars and make them our own.
And the galaxy will tremble.
This is our destiny
4f57ed No.4895956
>>4895872
>How is that a good practice? The nuclear family is one of the aspects of Western Civilization that led to its dominance.
And what exactly does a nuclear family of the populace have to do with royal intrigues?
d94c3b No.4895961
Fascism was the Italian variant. National Socialism is the German one, and they're not interchangeable.
I think National Socialism is the most useful way of describing it because it simply says you are being socialistic towards members of your nation, in contrast to the modern dysfunctional system where whites are altruistic almost exclusively towards the outgroup.
You can define "nation" as race if you like, as the Volk, but it could also be interpreted as civic nationalism.
The important point is the proposition of the in-group versus the outgroup - particularism versus universalism. Nationalism as opposed to globalism.
Communism is international socialism. It's globalism. National Socialism is the rejection of this international element, the rejection of the enslavement of ones people to foreign influence.
Trump for example could be interpreted in this way as being altruistic towards his in-group by preventing companies from outsourcing jobs overseas and forcing them to invest in the workers in the US. A globalist will, and does, simply go abroad and give jobs to whatever shitskin will do the work for the least pay. A globalist has no affinity or sympathy for the concept of his "nation", or his Volk - money is the bottom line.
Globalists are atomised individuals with no sense of an identity beyond the self.
1dfeec No.4896089
>>4895769
>>4895815
The biggest issue with a fascist state are going to be the military coups. They're going to be an omnipresent threat and are going to crop up at least once a generation. The reason we didn't see that in the 1940s was because the fascist nations were constantly at war and there was no room for intrigues to develop though some did, regardless. Once you no longer have an active war, ambitions will turn inwards as young generals and charismatic leaders begin to wonder why they can't seize control.
The other problem is that a military based economy is hugely expensive. The only way to offset the massive maintenance costs of military forces (food, equipment, medical supplies, housing, pay) is to either annex neighboring areas for plunder or to run a slave based economy. The latter also runs the issue of, well, slaves running out at which point you'll need to plunder again.
Basically, the only way to run a fascist nation long term is to A. have an eternal war to keep ambitions focused outwards and B. constantly have an influx of plundered materials or slaves or both to feed your economy.
0f99f3 No.4896243
>>4896089
I think it is possible to establish fascism within a republic like the US. Just a bit harder to get there and maintain. Less chance of coup, more chance of subversion. Reinstating the Committee for the investigation of unamerican activities would be a good start.
8987ac No.4896269
>>4896089
Basically, the only way to run a fascist nation long term is to A. have an eternal war to keep ambitions focused outwards and B. constantly have an influx of plundered materials or slaves or both to feed your economy.
You're getting empire economics and fascism mixed up fam.
Because by that definition america would be fascist nation. No, it's an empire. Rome was the same.
8987ac No.4896310
>>4896269
Forgot to quote the top
8c7684 No.4896343
>>4896269
A space conquest could help, going to the moon, mining resources and such. Does it really have to be a war ?
8987ac No.4896395
>>4896343
Not my words fam, forgot to
>carret it
see >>4896089
1dfeec No.4896473
>>4896269
>>4896243
Fascism implies a heavily militarized nation in every sphere. Throughout most of its existence, America has had a VERY small standing army except in times of war. This only changed following World War II.
Most of America's expansion was done through land purchases or land grabs by settlers. The only real exceptions occurred during the American-Mexican War and the Spanish-American War. America did not have a plunder based economy, like Rome, and acquired new lands predominantly to sate the land hunger of the agrarian class.
Basically, if you want a fascist nation, as opposed to a patriotic or imperial nation, you're going to be introducing a massive military culture into it.
8c7684 No.4896479
>>4896395
Sorry then.
>>4896089
What about space conquest ? It's outward, doesn't require a war and, offer many resources if we make it to jupiter's asteroid belt.
dd15d4 No.4896486
>>4893479
>Fascism
literally just a bunch of butthurt statists who can shitpost louder than anyone else between their anime masturbation sessions
de8766 No.4896506
Here's your fascist reading list.
81e587 No.4896519
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4895524
>>4895503
here is another good video explaining facism
f9b6b0 No.4896528
A democracy where every citizen has no vote only creates chaos because most people are dumbfucks who have no business being involved in the governance of a country. People don't even know what they want and what's best for them, and will vote for lavish welfare and identity politics while their whole nation goes to shit.
A democracy has no measures to protect the people from being plundered by international jews who own both the politicians running against each other and who control the media, thus shaping public opinion. When power is distributed between hundreds of beauracrats, it is impossible for one honest politician to make a difference within the system because the other 100+ will be corrupt and funded by jew bankers. Only an authoritarian leader with a vision for the country can act decisively and unilaterally to spurn jew influence and advance the best interests of his nation.
People essentially are blank slates and when their leaders promote patrician ideals in the arts and sciences, the general public can embrace this culture and advance these critical fields. However, without a strong leader to stamp out degeneracy, jews are free to corrupt academia and the media and fool people into thinking perverse, cultural marxist art and anti-white, open borders politics are correct.
d75d40 No.4896529
>>4895609
>Also, a fascist nation will, by necessity, run on a plunder based economy.
f9b6b0 No.4896538
>>4896528
***where every citizen has A vote
fa917a No.4896544
>>4896486
>statists
>bad thing
Fuck off libertardian.
d94c3b No.4896573
>>4896473
>military culture
I think this could be good.
I like the Heinlein idea where you have to earn participation in government. Having it being a privilege and not a right.
Anybody heard of timocracy? Similar idea, but restricted to property owners.
I think this restriction of voting ability based upon participation in the state, or investment in the state would also serve to at least discourage an international element.
If the only people who could vote were those who had served in the state's armed forces and/or owned property, it would really define the voting class as the people with the most to lose/gain in the states fortunes, meaning they should vote responsibly.
270bcd No.4896583
>>4896544
anarchofags get so fucking butthurt of communities actually having responsibilities.
It's as fucking delusional as watching the MSM call Trump a populist, they seem to have forgotten what the entire point of Democracy was.
81e587 No.4896592
>>4896473
> heavily militarized nation
good because there cannot be a weak army for a nation
1916a2 No.4896619
>>4896536
>everyone on the board is a fascist
de8766 No.4896625
>>4896506
About these books.
National Syndicalist author H. R. Morgan has put together an invaluable reference work for the student of Corporate Syndicalism, Fascism, and social activism. Within the pages of this volume will be found a collection of many documents that are difficult to locate as well as many new translations of texts formerly available only in the original languages. Here is a collection of important and essential statements made by the original Fascists and Corporate Syndicalists as well as National Synarchists, Integralists, Peronistas, Falangists and many others. Much of the book has been translated from the original Portuguese, French, Spanish, Italian and Dutch. Morgan's wealth of subjectively acquired familiarity with Fascist ideology has made him an ideal interpreter of the translated texts as well as an adequate expositor of the doctrines which have originally been published in the English language. Some of the more valuable portions included are lengthy writings of such men as Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, Jose Antonio Urquiza, Juan Peron, Benjamin Noyles, Lawrence Dennis, Oswald Mosley, Ziotio Garibaldi, Plinio Salgado, Gustavo Barroso, and many others. Also included are some hard to find and to translate manifestos from many countries. Some of these are from National Syndicalist Party-USA, American Fascist Movement, National Syndical American Falangist Party, National Synarchist Union of Mexico, National Integralist Movement of Brazil, Integralist Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Falangist Patriotic Movement of Uruguay, National Syndicalist Revolutionary Movement of Chile, the Futurist Manifesto, and others. H. R. Morgan's commentaries and introductories throughout serve as an excellent guide through the many pages of intense and sometimes angry political thought. This is a book you will return to time and again. This is a book that belongs on your shelf.
a544ec No.4896630
>>4895835
>Gracchus brothers
>assassinated
Interesting word choice. I'd call it "lynched."
1dfeec No.4896641
>>4896529
>Rome
>Germany
>Japan
>Italy
Fascism has never been tried before!
1dfeec No.4896653
>>4896630
It was engineered by the Senate so I'd call it a political assassination. Unless you think the plebs would attack people who promised them more land?
1916a2 No.4896671
>>4896641
Le never been tried is like the goto argument for 15 year olds who just found out what communism is.
d75d40 No.4896672
>>4896641
>Rome
>Germany
>Japan
>Italy
Your examples only show that fascism has succeeded every time its been tried
de8766 No.4896695
>>4896672
Japan wasn't "fascist"
1916a2 No.4896699
>>4895450
I'm suprised landwhales don't hop on fascism.
>holds women in high regards
>degrading women is a no
>no oppressive porn
de8766 No.4896710
>>4896672
Japan was an empire. Not fascist. Yes there is a difference.
7769ea No.4896713
>>4896699
There is a reason feminists are called feminazis.
1dfeec No.4896725
>>4896672
>succeeded
Rome is the only case in which it succeeded, but the costs were high and it eventually broke down into a monarchy.
The other three got crushed (Italy lost to Ethiopia).
7de81c No.4896737
>>4896699
They'd still get shamed though. They're a danger to the health of the Volkskörper.
fa917a No.4896740
Real easy anti-democratic rhetoric is achieved by pointing out 'democracy' as we have it is based on the ideas of the 'Enlightenment' thinkers, like Montesquieu, who proposed it because they liked the fact it would limit the power of the government, and thus impair its ability to act swiftly and effectively to whatever it wanted/needed.
The Trias Politica is deliberately designed to make rulers slow and ineffective; the three 'powers' are set up so as to cancel eachother and limit potent leadership.
Why did the thinkers like that? Because they thought their (absolute) monarchies were often tyrannical. So the men in power later had to be 'protected from themselves', so to speak.
Everything in our democratic system is inefficient and neutered with intent; why pick a system which is structurally centered around being weak?
Why not pick excellent leadership for an autocratic state instead?
81e587 No.4896743
>>4896713
the more correct term should be femimarxist because thats exactly what there are, they are not no damn nazis (not even close)
1916a2 No.4896759
>>4896737
>>4896713
Of course, your regular stronk women would do well in such a situation, an obese landwhale would definitely not meld well.
It seems pretty mutually beneficial tbh for us and the sjw tards. Shame there is such a sour tone surrounding it.
0f99f3 No.4896765
>>4896486
Fuck off applied kikemetics.
1dfeec No.4896799
>>4896740
Because one idiot leader brings the whole system crashing down on your head. It's the problem with the Divine Right of Kings- Spain almost collapsed under the later Habsburgs and the Ottoman Empire eventually became the sick man of Europe.
Even if they're competent, if they don't listen to their subordinates the system will falter. Hitler may have been an amazing orator and a strong nationalist leader, but he was the pig's ear at military affairs and diplomacy.
And what happens when underlings disagree with the dictator? Tojo staged a military coup when Hirohito began to consider surrender. Alternatively, you end up with purges like in the late Reich or Stalinist Russia.
fa917a No.4896808
>>4896699
>holds women in high regards
You forgot; according to them, saying women are different and have different natural roles is evil and sexist. Glorifying motherhood and family life, and femininity, according to them, degrades women: it apparently ''reduces" them to "baby-making factories".
I wish their parents and ancestors thought like that, then they would never have been born.
d94c3b No.4896822
>>4896486
just because your granny was too dumb to know not to get on the train is no excuse to be that frutrated, chaim.
7f442e No.4896835
>>4896725
>western culture is nothing
de8766 No.4896841
>>4896725
>Italy lost to Ethiopia.
Fascist Italy retook Ethiopia in a very successful campaign and took it away from a very despotic ruler with the help of a large amount of natives.
You must be thinking of when Italy lost Ethiopia in 1896 at the battle of Aldwa.
1916a2 No.4896843
>>4896808
Mhmm I see we have reached a divide.
>no one is equal
>everyone is equal
I can't wait to get accepted into college, so much butthurt will be generated.
fa917a No.4896845
>>4896799
>Because one idiot leader brings the whole system crashing down on your head.
Which is why you only get competent leaders up to the task. You might mock Hitler with the typical "he was a bad general" thing, but that is overdone; without him Germany would never have gotten in a plausibly winnable position in the first place.
>And what happens when underlings disagree with the dictator?
If it's constructive criticism, nothing. If it somehow undermines the good image of the leader for the public, while it is not absolutely crystal clear that what he did was wrong, then they should get fucked in some way.
0f99f3 No.4896869
>>4896641
No nation lasts forever. Even if it does, not in the original state. If fascism can breath new life into america, we might be able to hold out for another thousand years and greatly expand our territory. You list Rome as a failure, as if they didn't last well over a thousand years. One of the most successful nations ever.
7ed760 No.4896884
>>4893479
Fascism unites to fight problems.
Nationalism in itself is very useful to create a connection between a group of people. Fascism takes this a step further, where they unite behind one leader.
In the 30's fascists were very successful because they claimed to be against the crazy commies and to fix countries.
But in many cases, fascism should only be a thing in times of great need and distress. Not forever. Whenever possible, when sometime stable is established and there is no longer big enemies, it should switch to a democracy with a well founded constitution.
74e86b No.4896916
>>4894928
It's actually an economic system.
dea5bd No.4896918
its a totalitarian police state with a strong arm in culture.
fascism itself is hard to explain since theres so many variations of it with all their unique flavor, mussolinis italian fascism, hitlers, canada, american, british, even Russian (though this is a bit rough) all with their own way of running things, for instance Canadas adrien arcand a fascist advocate till is death, he promoted clerical fascism which is fascism but with religion mixed in (his case it was Christianity) and he advocated for closer ties to Great Britain, the crown and loosening ties to the USA.
its a safety political way, a value on security and military strength along with a strong sense of identity and culture mixed in, if i remember correctly it used a government controlled economy/market instead of a free market.
it offered safety and value on identity with a controlled market to keep the economy healthy.
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
(doctrine of fascism)
i cant tell what second pic is but it was in the same folder as the first one so im guessing its the one that explains national socialism
fa917a No.4896924
>>4896884
> it should switch to a democracy with a well founded constitution.
>it should switch to literally the worst system possible aside from non-systems like anarchism
>relying on a scrap of paper for your 'values' like the USA, which can be reinterpreted at will by the political establishment of the times
no thanks
de8766 No.4896980
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>>4896841
Anyone interested in a good revisionist book on the prosecution of World War Two by the Italians should take a look at this book. It's very good. Fascist Italy has been given a very unfair view by western court historians.
7ed760 No.4896988
>>4896924
Fascism is hard to exist and rely upon. It's not healthy for a country to have a single leader as it is detrimental to free science advancements, culture and more.
Even if the nazi's had won, it would never have been sustainable in the same way that communism in the USSR and China is simply not stable.
There needs to be some form of free market, governed by laws and a constitution, not a leader who decides whats good.
This is why the united states worked well for quite a while. It creates unity and might through nationalism and a single being and thanks to a free market it allowed for many citizens to start businesses and prosper.
There has never been evidence that countries where fascism existed were better off for long term, usually because they would end up with an assassination or the death of their leader. Look at Yugoslavia. After Tito died, it was over, unity was lost and shit went wrong.
c183b6 No.4897001
>>4896924
Because leaving all the power to a manlet and his fuck buddies worked so well.
1dfeec No.4897009
>>4896835
Way to put words in my mouth. I said the costs were high, which they were, and that it eventually broke down in favor of an effective monarchy, which it did.
1916a2 No.4897026
>>4896988 (checked)
>It's not healthy for a country to have a single leader
Sometimes. Historically it's been a mixed bag. Sometimes amazing, sometimes horrible. Would you risk a terrible leader or have an amazing leader out of office in a couple years and replaced by someone else?
8bf7f9 No.4897066
>>4896641
Fascism was working great until globalist kike run banks decided they didn't like it. The only reason it failed is because literally every nation in the world that mattered got together and killed it.
Communism, however, failed on it's own.
1dfeec No.4897068
>>4897026
Most really good monarchies have groups of advisers that help round out their knowledge. The best monarchies tended to have checks and balances to prevent one bad egg from spoiling the entire nation.
1dfeec No.4897076
>>4897066
>Fascism was working great until…
So it didn't work is what you're saying?
dea5bd No.4897099
>>4897076
it was working until some world war or something
7ed760 No.4897106
>>4896740
Well then you must know about the Roman Republic as well.
The Roman Republic was in itself after awhile quite ineffective and slow aswell. But in states of emergency there would be a dictator. Julius Caesar became this dictator a few times. Until he was assigned Dictator for life and everybody loved him.
Having a dictator in time of need should be possible. But the usefulness of Democracy and the Trias Politica should not be underestimated. It ensured that business and capitalism could function properly and freely, so that progress could be made.
If humanity were to ever fall into a system where there was only 1 leader or party. Progress would seize to exist. There would be no need to progress and the elite would only further enrich themselves.
Fascism could probably only function when it had to compete with enemy countries that were fascist as well, to ensure there to be competition and weeding out of the bad.
But sadly I feel that humanity has surpassed this point thanks to nuclear weaponry. Any leader can now threaten to suicide if they are about to loose. We are lucky that the USSR never did this.
fa917a No.4897136
>>4896988
>Fascism is hard to exist and rely upon. It's not healthy for a country to have a single leader as it is detrimental to free science advancements, culture and more.
Maybe for certain marxist 'social sciences' and gender studies the 'advancements' will stop. But not for the others. The "Deutsche Physik" movement did not succeed, don't worry about science.
Same with culture: quality persists for example in the arts, and new (or rather, old classical) quality is introduced and encouraged. Abstract toilet art is burned to set an example.
>Even if the nazi's had won, it would never have been sustainable in the same way that communism in the USSR and China is simply not stable.
The Nazis had pragmatic economics with a 'social problems first' attitude. Hitler declared at points free market wouldn't be a problem for him either, for instance in the new Eastern colonies he would acquire.
Whatever worked, as long as the German people benefitted, so to speak, with some Prussian socialist principles in the back of the mind.
>This is why the united states worked well for quite a while.
It worked well in the US for a while because the US was still in the process of being colonized until the start of the 20th century.
>Because leaving all the power to a manlet and his fuck buddies worked so well.
It did until they lost a war. Tough luck, but many times better than the spineless or outright treacherous and ineffective leadership we have today.
7ed760 No.4897154
>>4897068
Every once in a while, every century or so. Current places of power become inefficient and outdated. Thats why Napoleon wrecked most of the Monarchies that were doing quite well.
Revolutions are neccessary for the benefit of everyone. Redistribution of wealth is healthy.
I feel like its time for a new revolution. The elite are gaining much more wealth and the poor are getting sick of it.
I do not believe that africans(niggers) will be able to repel or comprehend that they are being used. White men have shown that they were capable of fighting oppressive regimes in the past. I think this is why they want to get rid of the white race entirely, because they are simply too intelligent.
8bf7f9 No.4897185
>>4897076
Sure, just ignore the important context of the direct comparison to the failure of communism, that won't make you look like a fucking kike.
Any system will cease to work, no matter how great it is, when destroyed by outside forces, chaim.
1dfeec No.4897202
>>4897185
>make an enemy out of every country in the world
>poor Hitler was a good boy, dindu nuffin
Yes, I'm quite certain the annexation of Poland, which hugely agonized the British due to existing treaties, was engineered by the Jewish Elite Banks.
fa917a No.4897225
>>4897106
>Julius Caesar became this dictator a few times. Until he was assigned Dictator for life and everybody loved him.
And "dictator for life" Julius Caesars and Augustuses are what we always need.
>If humanity were to ever fall into a system where there was only 1 leader or party. Progress would seize to exist. There would be no need to progress and the elite would only further enrich themselves.
This solely depends on what the leadership is, and what its goals are. 'Progress' did not stop in the fascist states of the last centuries, and it did not in many monarchies of the past millennia.
fa917a No.4897282
>>4897202
>which hugely agonized the British due to existing treaties
Yeah, but not enough to actually save Poland. Nor even have the decency to declare war on the Soviet Union when it attacked them (because it was stipulated in the secret part of their treaty they'd only 'protect' against Germany), showing they didn't care about Poland. They only cared about starting an open conflict with Germany.
But luckily the idea that Hitler might have not been at fault for WW2 is dispelled by how he declared war on England and France…woops
7ed760 No.4897315
>>4897225
Strong people like Julius Caesar and Augstus were nice. But after their children were all inbred and fucked up they really started losing control over the heritage.
Remember that a civil war broke out after Julius Caesar died. They needed another leader to get everyone together again.
>>4897225
Progress didn't stop because there was need for progress otherwise you were eliminated through competition.
One overarching global government will have no need to progress. Maybe they would want to colonize other planets. But why waste your time on that while you could be the richest bastard on earth and as far as you know the universe. Why would you want to do anything else?
I think in many ways Hitler would have fallen, simply because even if he had won. He would have to keep inventing a new enemy to blame for why they 3rd Reich wasn't doing better.
If the hatred is lost, so is the support for this type of government.
I think it's very important to understand books like 1984 and Brave New World to understand the consequences and possible fascist/totalitarian governments.
If you wanna be succesful you could probably do what in 1984 was written that the church did. Where you were speaking for god in the manner of a pope and that god is always watching you.
b2f8cc No.4897328
>>4897202
>Not knowing That Britain at the time was Rothchilds main base of Operations
1dfeec No.4897416
>>4897328
>not knowing that Poland actually did nothing wrong
We wuz Kaisers n' shit! All clay German clay!
7bef85 No.4897474
>>4896725
>Italy, while they were fascist, lost to Ethiopia
Italy lost to Ethiopia in the first Italo-Ethiopian War of 1895, when they weren't fascist. During the mid-1930s Italy quickly won the second Italo-Ethiopian War.
They did however lose control of it because a combination of wartime stress and outside influences that chipped away at their Italian colony.
>But, by the end of 1941, during the East African Campaign, Ethiopia was liberated from Italian control by a combination of British, Commonwealth, Free French, Free Belgian, and Ethiopian forces.
Saying Italy lost because of their fascist system or that they were weak would be grasping at straws. Their loss in Africa would've never happened if WWII didn't begin.
fa917a No.4897481
>>4897315
>One overarching global government will have no need to progress.
I was assuming you meant a similar fascist system for each individual nation. Not one-world government bullshit. Since when do nationalists like me support globalism?
>I think in many ways Hitler would have fallen, simply because even if he had won. He would have to keep inventing a new enemy to blame for why they 3rd Reich wasn't doing better.
Pure speculation; you or I have no clue how it would have looked after he won WW2. How good or bad the Reich would be doing (I presume economically?) depends completely on the circumstances of victory and the policies after it.
>If the hatred is lost, so is the support for this type of government.
Sort of a silly argument, are you suggesting it was built solely on hatred of Jewry? Sure, an important element, but not the only thing. And international Jewry wouldn't go anywhere; it would keep existing, just not in Europe.
>I think it's very important to understand books like 1984 and Brave New World to understand the consequences and possible fascist/totalitarian governments.
They combine all the harsh authoritarian aspects without their counterbalancing purpose (like an extreme Gestapo that doesn't remove active marxists but instead people who don't walk a certain way), and portray the governments as corrupt power hungry monsters. Entertaining to read as an absurd scenario, sometimes with catchy words that apply to our modern society too (like doublething and newspeak), but not really the best indicator.
fa917a No.4897536
>>4897416
Poland dindu nuffin, we wuz just being arrogant pricks in our new artificial state and treating the German minority like shit, while thinking there wouldn't be consequences cause the English with their Jewish friends encouraged us so.
089f31 No.4897545
>>4893479
It has universal seductive points, but long term it colapses.
62a4de No.4897570
>>4893479
>Why is Fascism a good governing system?
It gives the order that is wanted and owns the strength that is needed to maintain that order.
7769ea No.4897606
>>4897154
Goddamn, you niggers are talking like communist now.
7769ea No.4897623
>>4897536
With argument like this, no wonder no one supports the nazis.
Artificial state, really? And there's not even proof that the poles treated the ethnic germans like shit.
7769ea No.4897652
>>4897282
Poland was invaded by the Nazi first, then the USSR.
The nazis had a goddamn pact with the USSR before they attack Poland.
1dfeec No.4897663
>>4897536
>artificial state
>new
Fucking Naziboos.
7769ea No.4897669
>>4897481
So you are saying the Gestapo only targeted active marxists and left the "normal people" alone?
Holy shit, you germans/nazi sympathizers really believe Nazi Germany did nothing wrong.
And Nazi Germany wasn't doing good after 1936, they were pilling debts upon themselves and had no resources to sustain their economies, which is why they have to annex other lands.
1916a2 No.4897676
>>4897663
Germany has just been all fucked up for a large portion of history
1dfeec No.4897706
>>4897676
Self inflicted wounds, Hans. The squabbling nation-states of Middle Europe were the backwater of the continent because they expended all their efforts fighting each other. Only unification under Bismarck accomplished anything which was quickly lost in World War I.
da0993 No.4897712
>>4897536
Poland existed before Germany retard
7769ea No.4897717
>>4897676
Bullshit.
You nigger would say Germany own England and Russia due to all durr germanics bullshit.
7bef85 No.4897731
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4897481
>They combine all the harsh authoritarian aspects without their counterbalancing purpose (like an extreme Gestapo that doesn't remove active marxists but instead people who don't walk a certain way), and portray the governments as corrupt power hungry monsters. Entertaining to read as an absurd scenario, sometimes with catchy words that apply to our modern society too (like doublething and newspeak), but not really the best indicator.
To be completely fair 1984 was based off of stalinism, and something very similar to it happened in the Soviet Union. All dissenters and undesirables were purged, everybody was at the mercy of the government, and workers lived and worked in grotesque conditions.
Video related is the USSR's Moscow in ~1986-1990 at the height of its westernization period. This was the capital of the second biggest superpower of the time.
The lesson that 1984 teaches is really to beware of centralized planning at the hands of a select group of individuals. That while in some cases this group of individuals may share a huge love for the people and may be completely competent, there can easily be another group of people replacing them without either of those qualities and with the same amount of power. And that you should never put your faith into a system of government that doesn't inhibit incompetence.
However, it's to be noted that fascist nations aren't nearly as authoritarian and centralized as communist nations, and some even attempted to put unorthodox checks and balances in their government.
7ed760 No.4897880
>>4897706
A lot of nations were really scared of a united germany. France and Russia were working together.
Bismarck had a very good understanding of things. Sadly when Wilhelm II took power he fucked over a lot of stuff from Bismarck.
1dfeec No.4897937
>>4897880
World War I itself was just a huge clusterfuck, though. It's tough to say that anyone involved actually wanted to go to war.
But, yeah, the Kaiser fucked things up for Germany. They had a good thing going for thirty or so years- second largest industrial capacity, cutting edge of science, best universities, and so on. Cultural output was a bit lacking, but otherwise a powerhouse.
fa917a No.4898028
>>4897623
>>4897652
>>4897663
>>4897669
>>4897712
I was gonna give a long response to rebut all of you misguided fags/retards, but my PC crashed. So you're going to have to settle for the short:
>crying about how Poland existed earlier
Poland had been wiped off the map by Germany 150 years earlier, the territory became part of Germany. It was ludicrous for Poland to suddenly appear again in 1919, specially to them.
>atrocities against Germans
Happened with relative frequency, specially on local level. My picture quotes a few sources talking about pre-1939 mistreatment.
>Poland was invaded by the Nazi first, then the USSR.
So? Doesn't change what was said.
>Debt
Speculation without substantiation. No proof of this massive crisis debt has been found. At least, nothing that hasn't been debunked,
1dfeec No.4898043
>>4898028
Germany did not exist 150 years ago, you autistic fuckwit.
d94c3b No.4898051
>>4898028
it's just shills trying to disrupt a discussion about the definition/merits of fascism with d+c bullshit.
hide/report/etc
polite sage
fa917a No.4898065
>>4898043
"Germany" was Prussia and its allies.
If you want to nitpick legalities, I can say "Poland" did not exist in history either; because it was never the Republic of Poland but "Poland-Lithuania".
Autistic fuckwit ;)
1dfeec No.4898097
>>4898065
The German state and the lands it encompassed did not exist until after the Unification.
>>4898051
>anyone who doesn't suck Hitler's one balled cock is a Jewish shill
Real high level of debate we got going on here, friend.
fa917a No.4898111
Also, forgot this gem:
>So you are saying the Gestapo only targeted active marxists and left the "normal people" alone?
No, I was using an example of how it normally worked. Pre-war, it was even hard to get into a cozy camp or Gestapo detainment if you weren't Jewish or a known communist. The guy in the famous 'defiant' picture where he doesn't salute (at the harbor) was the best example of that: faced no repercussions for his 'defiance', got warned a few times to discontinue his relationship with a Jew, got put into a camp for a while eventually after he3 didn't listen, and then got released again for 'lack of evidence', which is fucking hilarious because he had a half-Jew kid with the woman.
fa917a No.4898130
>>4898097
>The German state and the lands it encompassed did not exist until after the Unification.
What did I just tell you about this weasel-wording with how "Germany didn't exist"? I am not talking about a single German state, I am talking about 'Germany', and that was represented by Prussia and its allies.
7ed760 No.4898301
>>4898130
In many ways Napoleon was the first to really form the first kind off Germany.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutscher_Bund
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Confederation
Deutsche Bund
Nowadays its called Deutschland.
Fairly Close.
a544ec No.4899553
>>4896653
I thought the senators themselves beat them to death with clubs.
That was back when shit got done, really.
1dfeec No.4899631
>>4899553
I'm pretty sure it was their cliens who did the actual attacking.
7769ea No.4899862
>>4898111
How about records of Gestapo fucking up people? Even germans who disagree with Hitler?
7769ea No.4899910
>>4898028
>Happened with relative frequency, specially on local level. My picture quotes a few sources talking about pre-1939 mistreatment.
Quote these sources? And if it's local level, it's just crimes and not genocide.
>So? Doesn't change what was said.
It changed everything, it's looking like Nazi Germany invaded Poland with the cooperation from the USSR.
>Speculation without substantiation. No proof of this massive crisis debt has been found. At least, nothing that hasn't been debunked,
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/the-nazis-and-the-german-economy/
>government income had been 10 billion Reichsmarks in 1928. In 1939, it stood at 15 billion. However, government spending had increased from 12 billion Reichsmarks in 1928 to over 30 billion in 1939 – a difference of 15 billion Reichsmarks. From 1933 to 1939, the Nazi government always spent more than it earned so that by 1939, government debt stood at over 40 billion Resichsmarks.
Debunk that shit.