/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

Sure. Its like the Protocols is a forgery yet everything detailed in them has come to pass, to the benefit of the jews.

brave new world is correct

1984 is misinformation that blames le nazis for multiculturalism and the decay of societies

reminder george orwell was a literal communist guerilla who slaughtered christians in spain before he got BTFO by franco

>>4894407

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>>4894407

1984 is fairly accurate as to how totalitarian societies operate.

Orwell also claimed Roman Catholics in the Middle Ages were a dystopia, which is just ludicrous.

>>4894407

>taking a fictional book literally

Doesn't matter, 1984 still predicted quite a lot of the modern world.

>>4894512

>1984 is fairly accurate as to how totalitarian societies operate.

I know, but he's alex-jones tier. A nugget of lies hidden inside the truth that ends up poisoning the entire cognitive process by circumventing the truth. You can be right about every little detail, and lead the audience into a false conclusion and misdirect their efforts. It's classic gatekeeping.

>>4894516

>le nazis are going to make NWO :^)

detect the indoctrinated faggot who takes 1984 at face value

>>4894469

>filtered post

good advice

>>4894407

>1984 is misinformation that blames le nazis for multiculturalism and the decay of societies

You might want to read 1984 again goy. Orwell was a socialist who became disillusioned with socialism, Stalinism and Jewish communists. Similar to how many critics of SJW's nowadays used to be leftists or SJW's. The book shows all sorts of ridiculous shit that came to pass in communist societies (erasing people, rampant torture, widespread poverty, the cult of personality, Party politics) and is taking place in the US (redefinition of words and meaning). Hell, doublethink is basically the 1984 version of political correctness.

Brave New World is the mass culture side of the story where the masses just don't give a shit about anything except watching TV and jacking off. 1984 is the inner political life of a party member and a look inside the disfunction of the modern political spectrum.

>>4894580

this

Interesting OP. I would like to know more about the Fabians and the means by which they are advancing their incremental changes, such as Tavistock and new age ops like Esalen.

>>4894512

No it didn't. It used the knowledge of what the Roman Catholics did to further totalitarian societies by creating a symbol or leader like god.

Someone who is always watching you and knows what you do, while at the same time being eternal.

In a sense that is what the monarchies in the early renaissance used to excuse their power, by claiming they were chosen by god.

It's a perfect system in which you can scare people.

The USSR was quite powerful in this as well with the KGB and that your neighbours would rat you out.

>>4894542

underrated

>>4897762

Is there a english translation of this?

>>4894364

>Is it reasonable to suggest that their books might not just have been dystopian fictions, but instruction manuals?

A friend of mine who was a bit older than me showed me the book when I was 15. I was always a bit redpilled, but unguided. Reading the books I started developing my knowledge.

I think in many ways 1984 and Brave New Work are warnings. In a sense to warn people off of communism and fascism, that the ideas are bad. A lot of teachers let their students read it in our country for english. Same with Animal Farm.

But I think for the more intelligent it's also meant as a way to see what country you truly live in. That the world we think we live in is far from reality. That there is a global elite that is trying to control us and that it is our duty to fight this.

1984 talks about cycles of oppression.

The french revolution gets mentioned. It was meant to help the poor, but all it did was put the 2nd class citizens in power instead of the kings. But the poor always stayed the poor.

This was also true with the communist revolution.

In many ways, I think it tries to tell us something.

I hope one day I can assure me and my genetic offspring or at least my family a place into the top class instead of simply part of the peasants.

>>4897841

Yeah just google: zamyatin we pdf

First link pops up

And to clear things up, Brave New World and 1984 were adaptations of the novel We, which was a reaction of the Russian Revolution of 1917

>>4898122

Is there any big difference between them? Are both adaptations to further the beliefs of Orwell or Huxley?

I feel like in many ways, the current elite tries to use 1984 and Brave New World to give some people the feeling that they are intelligent and know to fight communism, but for most they dont warn about the dangers we are facing today with puppet leaders who are simply funded by corporations and people.

>>4898239

Huxley and Orwell were fans of Zamyatins novel. At the time they got a hold of the book, it was hard to find. It was banned in Soviet Union, and the only way Orwell and Huxley got a hold of the novel was through underground book clubs.

Do the elites use Dystopian novels to trick the public? Maybe. But 1984 and Brave New World were written because they were book nerds and were fans of Zamyatin's novel.

>>4897709

>le religion is bad goy

Exactly my point about 1984 being disinformation.

>>4894364

I think that Farenheit 451 did a good job of combining the Orwellian nightmare with the Huxleyan one into one big realistic dystopia. If you can conform, you'll be happy and free to do whatever you want, since you won't actually want to do anything. Should you step outside of the orthodoxy, you will be fucking destroyed.

No, the actual prohibition of books will probably never come to pass. But if they did ban books, nobody would do anything about it. They'd all be too busy watching bland television shows and too indoctrinated by media lies to really give two shits. This is the means by which all kinds of horrible shit comes to pass. The Crime of 73, the Federal Reserve Act, the Omnibus, the TPP, endless wars.

Not to mention that so much of the horrible shit that passes will be defended based on political correctness. "Black people don't like Little Black Sambo, burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin, burn it. A new study on tobacco and cancer? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book." This was the reasoning Bradbury gave for his world's burning of books. Rampant political correctness being used to strip the people of information and ways of thinking. You can't deny that this is the sort of world we're rapidly heading toward, whether or not they actually decide to light books on fire.

>>4898000

If you read it closely, it also states that 'the low' during such a revolution actually gets a part of it placed into the middle, indicating that it may later get an opportunity to become the top when the next revolution kicks off.

What I took for it regarding the basic philosophy of 'the book', was that all pretense of virtue, as always employed by marxists, is nothing but that. A pretense. It isn't real. The upper echelons of any society never have space for too many people, so of course every significant shift or revolution in any society only has very few beneficiaries, and usually just as many losers. And most people that participate in enacting them stay exactly where they were in regards to status.

You can see it with kikes rousing up niggers and using them against the white lower and middle class. The niggers are falling for it completely, thinking their lives might improve some day if they participate in all these marxist parties and movements, but only those Zulu-descending families from South Africa will ever have the chance to actually gain anything from it. The rest of the niggers have shit lives beforehand and will have shit lives afterwards, only that the world is a little more kosher.

Sure, there's that odd rich nigger who will have some more assets to shift around in the financial market, but nigger neighbourhoods that are shit now, will be shit when it's all done and over as well.

Or alternately with how the Kurds are trying to rabble rouse against Erdogan. Even if they were to succeed, most of Turkey wouldn't gain anything, in fact things would get worse, and even for most Kurds, nothing would improve, only a hand full of them that grab the opportunity to rise into the political class.

Everyone gets so hemmed up on Huxley and Orwell and, while yes, there are some similarities to the direction society is going in, you are wrong. There are two other science fiction novels which do a far superior job at showing where we are heading: Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury and A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

>reading some dead dude's books about how the future was going to be decades ago

Not gonna make it. Better off replaying Deus Ex 1, now that's a master piece. Also if you want more of the same but something different try the Illuminatus! trilogy. Pretty entertaining. replace terrorist/terrorism with fnord.

>>4898612

Well the books help to redpill or at least make other people doubt the current world they live in.

I've been trying to get my gf to read 1984. She doesn't seem that interested.

But if you can find someone that is interested you know you have someone that might be willing to learn more.

In a way it can be virtue signalling.

>>4898666

>'ve been trying to get my gf to read 1984. She doesn't seem that interested.

Can't really blame her. It's vastly overrated. BNW is far more accurate to reality anyway.

>>4894544

Goddam you are a retard.

If the powers that be would make it more like Brave New World and less like 1984, there would be a whole lot less complaining.

In 1984, EVERYBODY was miserable, nobody had enough of what they needed, and the only thing that kept the people from revolution was fear of Big Brother.

In Brave New World, everyone was happy, everyone had a job, everyone had food, new clothes, and endless entertainment. The only ones who were dissatisfied were Bernard (a rare misfit who should have been discarded before decanted), the Savage (an immigrant who wasn't a member of the society and who clung to antiquated backwards beliefs), For (who was also an outlier–the only reason he wound up as a castaway is because he rejected the promotion they offered him) and Lena, who was corrupted by exposure to the Savage. EVERYONE ELSE'S was happy, healthy, and well-adjusted. When I read that book, instead of being horrified I was hoping the future really turned out that way.

More Brave New World please, New World Order.

>>4899587

It's that mentality, and its prevalence (or at least what I perceive to be prevalence) that has made me try to theorize what a two-state, at-will American society would be like. It's entirely out of the question, the government would never cede power, but in theory, a system where half the land is reserved for use by the state, administered fully and paid for by taxes of those who decide they want government intervention, while the other half has as minimal government service of any kind as possible, or at least in the traditional sense. Inside the administrative zone, your needs are met, but at the price of liberty. In the free territory, you're unhindered by government intervention in your affairs (barring crime, though I haven't worked all that out), but you don't have access to the protections afforded your micromanaged countrymen, or at least not without paying for the service explicitly (opposed to a tax-revenue based entitlement). The choice is between safe stagnancy or perilous opportunity for mobility.

>>4899741

Have you played Ultima Online?

>>4894580

Good post.

Good job, anon.

>>4899794

I have not.

>>4899587

wtf, what about all the people purposefully poisoned in the womb to be slaves in BNW?

>>4899811

What you described has already existed in several MMORPGs. Some places had restrictions with very strong NPC guards that would kill you if you started fucking around, while most of the world was free to do whatever you wanted, so long as you didn't pick fights with other players.

You can also argue that what you've described existed in the Americas from the 1500s to the late 1800s, moving west as time went along. The problem is a government will always fight for self perpetualization, which means it will conquer the free territory as an act of self defense. The only way to bring the free territory back is for government to implode on itself, thus drawing back its power towards protecting its power in urban areas.

The two-state system exists only when the government that desires to intervene has weak influence.

>>4899888

>Born too late to homestead on the Western frontier

>Born too early to homestead in space

Nice full house digits, by the way.

>>4899965

If the hype is true, you're born just in time to navigate the post-2016 world. If you look at it like it's a game, it should be fun.

>>4899993

Huxley was probably the head honcho of MKUltra. Even though BNW is much younger than MKUltra i'd still take his writing with a grain of salt.

Also, Orwell was apparently disillusioned with the

Fabian society and tried to expose them thus

naming the book 1984, the 100th birthday of the

fabian society.

The fabians advocated gradual, stealthy, non-violent

and reformist means, such as state intervention and

control over the conditions of labour, to create a

new world based on socialism.

Huxley on 1984

The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate

revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics

and economics, and which aims at total subversion

of the individual's psychology and physiology — are

to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded

himself as the continuator, the consummator, of

Robespierre and Babeuf.

My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less

arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of

satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will

resemble those which I described in Brave New

World.

You'll soon find out that the short story Alpha Drone was correct.

>>4900073

thanks

>>4894407

>george orwell was a literal communist

>what is Animal Farm

>>4898612

>2016

>old dead white men

>>4894580

>Hell, doublethink is basically the 1984 version of political correctness.

This has been the biggest problem plaguing our society in my opinion.

We have access to whatever information we want and it is easy enough to spread, but those indoctrinated in Marxist ideology frame the arguments using their doublespeak so that they see their side as always right and the other side as always wrong.

I honestly find it fascinating when I come across a couple liberals on social media that argue, as they'll each argue the exact same position, but by virtue of the language they use they will be disagreeing.

With Brave New World, I find it odd people complain about too much media as being a problem. Being able to enjoy yourself has never been a huge problem in our society as it's normally the opposite that creates such discontent that people rally for change. In BNW, the major problems were that they tried forcing a false happiness on individuals through drugs and tried disconnecting families so that no one had genuine bonds with each other. The anti-family stance is one that many feminists and Marxists have been very interested in as they see it as a way to create greater dependence on the state. While the drug culture was one that tried to force people to be happy so as to avoid them thinking about their problems, which is basically what psychology seems to do now with all the anti-depressants that get handed out.

>>4898122

Yeah, because Petite Napoleon by Victor Hugo was not Orwells world described for the first time, even 2+2=5.

>>4894407

>be british in the 1910's

>see poor working class in capitalism

>see how WW1 fucks up everyone

>blame monarchs and aristocrats and tycoons

>sympathise with socialism and communism

>rejoice when revoluitons happen in Russia

>ffw 1936

>Spanish Civil War brokes out

>join it and fight for the republic

>see Soviet agents fuck up other lefties

>Franco wins

>Get disillusioned with communism

>Write 1984

All in all Yuri was right. The mos staunch anti-communists are those who have seen what communists really do.

>>4894580

David Horowitz was a literal commie kike who is now a fervent critic of everything from the left. The most vocal opponents of the left have always been ex-members.

>>4894407

>1984 blames le nazis

It was inspired by USSR and Stalin

the things I hear here top kek

I've been thinking about these dystopian books(and many others) and it seems that with every day were getting closer to their combined realization. But becouse of a different reason as people have argued in this thread.

My theory:

The authors were independent minds and wrote based on their redpilled experiences. They predicting with different accuracy the course that human society as a whole would be going in the future becouse they've seen the patterns.

They extrapolated the reason the human rose above all animals in their novels. He rose becouse he could organize and manipulate nature/the outer world in order to survive and multiply. And we're doing it to this day, this process still churning on. The common human consciousness is trying to organize human society in a best way to be as efficient as possible to ensure the survival of society. If you think about it, democracy and a free mind is a waste of time/resources on the most broad scale of humanity. We are more efficient as mindless drones with a powerful hivemind in charge. Ala Borg.

That's what they're predicting(with different accuracies) in their novels, or any of other authors for that matter in their dystopian novels: the human race is striving to become more and more efficient with their resources to survive in a world with less and less resources. And to achieve that we have to shed our individuality and enter a hivemind which will be connected via technology: internet!

What is the end game of the ZOG/jews? One world government with one citizenship, one culture and one leader. Sounds familiary? Hitler had an angle to this, perfect order. And as we're seeing now his vision is being fulfilled every day. We're developing genetic manipulation to make perfect humans alla Gattaca. The jews praising mixing into one race, the human race. We're becoming more and more connected for greater efficiency.

How will they/we achieve it? Technology!

I'm beginning to sympathize with Ted Kaczynski more and more TBFH…

And dreading for my children.

>>4918007

Perhaps they're all correct, but if things followed down an alternate path?

>>4918027

The described path differs from human to human becouse of his views, experiences and in the end of his imperfectness. But the end goal is imho the same.

"Brave New World for most, 1984 for the rest."

We're between brave nee world and 1984

>>4894580

This, i was left wing but the cencorship of SJWs forced me towards the right

>>4898353

That is not what the anon you replied to said at all.

You're being a fucking idiot

>>4894407

No he wasn't. He saw very little action, his issue wasn't with the traditional religious population, and he never fought for the factions of the republican side known for attacking churchs and raping nuns.

Fucking inform yourself.

>>4918062

>not seeing the parallels of both books in the world

>people in here trying to speak about the books in a complex manner

>not realizing the world ahead of you by observing simply, first

Every thing is SIMPLE before it is COMPLEX and to sum the two books up?

The simplest way to break down those two books and sum it up is that those with power and whom use it through many a proxy or venues have divided the people by manipulating their pleasures and their fears; obviously they are controlled this way as well.