/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

its a good thing, we will have more land that will be fertile for growing food. the problem is not global warming but the world getting cooler

Climate change will fuck-up agriculture, which is bad both by directly and by producing hungry hordes (see bronze age collapse scenario, just scale it up from mediterranean to world-wide).

>Should the government do anything about it?

In theory - yes, but in practice it's too large system (world production) to be controlled in meaningful way. So better course of action is brace for impact.

>>4904677

>>4904709

BUT WHO IS CORRECT

>>4904677

>will have more land that will be fertile

No. It takes much more to make land viable for growing food than raising temperature.

>>4904623

global warming is a fud

Global warming will make the world hotter than the ovens in Auschwitz were during the holohoax goyim.

Please buy solar panels and wind turbines, (but of course don't invest in hydroelectric or nuclear power they're scurry and bad for the environment).

I've had the pleasure of reading about this clusterfuck for years now. The atmospheric co2 is just a distraction from the activities of entities like http://www.weathermodification.com

But what is being caused by fossil fuel use is ocean acidification and other forms of environmental damage like plastic litter and fertilizer runoff.

What I'm sure of is that the debate isn't about climate change but control over the climate.

>>4904677

While destroying existing farm land.

>>4904758

Temperatures have been gradually rising for a century now. But that isn't the main issue. It's that even small changes can unhinge the delicate ecological and climate balance of this world.

Human co2 and methane emissions are but a fraction of natural emissions. But the additional release of these greenhouse gasses from industries, agriculture, transportation, burning of peat fields, melting permafrost, etc. Is enough to upset the balance.

Imagine a bathtub with an open drain and faucet for a moment. Let's assume that normally the drain can carry away all the water, but only just. Any extra drop and the water level will start to rise.

That's what happening on Earth right now. Our emissions are but a drop in comparison to total natural emissions, yet it's that drop that is enough to unbalance the system.

The result is runaway permafrost melting, proliferation of algae and methane producing bacteria, mass extinctions, changing gulf stream, extreme weather and flooding that incur ever greater economic damage, destruction of farmland, shifting climates (some regions becoming incredibly wet, others becoming too dry), etc.

Extreme weather is not something unknown, but as the balance shifts further these events will only increase in magnitude and rate.

The climate is changing, and the rate at which it does is faster than most societies are able to cope with. Some countries like Russia and Canada might see an increase in habitable land, but things will get pretty dreary for those near the Atlantic and Pacific or those living in Africa, Central Asia, Indonesia and Oceania.

>>4904749

It takes much more to make land viable for growing food than raising temperature

Wrong. In the case of permafrost that's all it takes.

NEWSFLASH: Plants grow in dirt.

>>4905060

>even small changes can unhinge the delicate ecological and climate balance of this world

What a load of uninformed bullshit.

>is global warming a real thing

is what you should have asked instead

>>4905060

this is the crux. developed nations with healthy economies will be more apt to adapt to changing climatic conditions. the 3rd world is basically screwed.

>>4905386

The planet's heating up, isn't it?

>>4905422

Not for the last 20 years, no.

In the last 12,000 years, yes.

>>4905443

relative to data extracted from ice cores.

we should be in a cooling period, but our cooling rate is less than it "should" be based on extrapolation of the broad pattern we've observed over 400,000 years.

>>4905470

There is no pattern over the last 400,000 years that you could possibly extrapolate.

Wiggle-matching is anti-scientific.

>Historical snow storms in 2015 and 2016

>"Hey guys, 2015 was the warmest year ever recorded"

No, it's bullshit. There is literally zero evidence to suggest that carbon dioxide emissions are causing a greenhouse effect.

>>4905538

So according to these graphs the cooling period should begin anywhere from now to 20,000 years from now?

>>4905538

>this periodicity exists purely in your mind's eye

>>4905396

>the 3rd world is basically screwed.

This isn't a very convincing argument to stop it. I mean if global warming is what it takes to prevent a couple billion more niggers by the end of this century. Then fuck it, drill baby drill.

>>4905512

I think you should stop measuring your temperatures at sites that have become increasingly urbanized over the past centuries.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/10/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-94-maniitsoq-greenland-all-time-high-temperature-rescinded/

Search for "how not to measure temperature" on wattsupwiththat.com

>>4905561

b-buh muh 6 billion african children living without effort eating the food we send them with money we don't have!

>>4905512

That isn't average global temperature. That is temperature "anomaly". A useless metric that is easy to manipulate.

You picture only shows an increase of less than one degree. Is that what you are terrified of?

>>4905561

i'm not sure it could or should be stopped.

>>4905558

yeah, i mean…that's a wide target to hit. it's not fair to say exactly what should be happening today, even in a span of decades or even centuries.

>>4905560

learn to read graphs and recognize patterns. it is one of humanity's greatest assetts.

>Is global warming a good thing or a bad thing?

If it was real it'd be mostly good, think of it like this: Siberia isn't going to be an ice desert anymore.

>Should the government do anything about it?

The only thing people can do about it is scamming you, "climate change" has been caused by the sun alone and it's an extremely normal thing and as of late (by late I meal last 2 million years) it has been quite volatile, for example in the 1800s Earth went out of a mini ice age which lasted for a few hundred years, and it has been calculated that we'll be back into that state in 2030.

Hell, even a few years ago people used to say "global cooling", then they started calling for "global warming" and now they've went for "climate change", which is as vague as it sounds.

And in fact the production and use of the so c

>>4905470

>we should be in a cooling period, but our cooling rate is less than it "should" be based on extrapolation of the broad pattern we've observed over 400,000 years.

Send link and tell me how you relate that with man activity.

>>4905609

see >>4905538

it is pre-anthropocene. it demonstrates the natural cycle of warming and cooling inherent to the solar/global system. nothing to do with mangs.

>>4905386

The question is if global warming is man-made, not if it happens

>>4905656

>it is pre-anthropocene. it demonstrates the natural cycle of warming and cooling inherent to the solar/global system. nothing to do with mangs.

That's what I said.

>>4905671

You convinced me.

Organic food causes autism.

We need to spread the message brother.

>>4905596

It's the 'global mean land-ocean temperature changes from 1880, relative to the 1951–1980 mean'.

So it's colder than that before and hotter than that after.

Although they might be cooking the info somehow

>>4904623

>Is global warming a good thing or a bad thing?

A) it may not even be happening, there hasn't been an increase in global average temperatures in the last 18-19 years, despite the increase in CO2

B) even if there was a warming that doesn't mean humans can be blamed for it

C) generally speaking warmer is better than colder

D) even if humans were responsible and we could reducing the increase in warming by living in a 'low-carbon' economy the costs of the transition would be astronomical, we're talking a hundred trillion dollars (see link below).

A thousand years ago there was a period of global warming (that they named Medieval Warm Period). Maybe something similar is happening right now. And that means there's nothing we can do about except adapt to the climate, which is what humans have done for thousands of years.

The rush to blame human activity for so-called catastrophic climate change has to do with one thing and one thing only: money. Carbon taxes, carbon trading schemes and a 'low-carbon' economy.

Mobilizing the Billions and Trillions for Climate Finance

https://archive.is/RvFrR

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2015/04/18/raising-trillions-for-climate-finance

"Over the next 15 years, the global economy will require an estimated $89 trillion in infrastructure investments across cities, energy, and land-use systems, and $4.1 trillion in incremental investment for the low-carbon transition to keep within the internationally agreed limit of a 2 degree Celsius temperature rise."

>>4905671

funny how Planck "wiggle matched" spectral distribution of black body radiation. quantum theory certainly hasn't produced any actionable insights.

>>4905706

>strawmanning to prove your argument

kill

yourself

reddit

>>4905671

This.

Actually has anyone ever tried to create a mini enviroment and then pump some CO2 in to see what happens?

>>4905690

Also reminder there's a reason greenland was called like that despite being frozen, guess those pesky vikings caused global cooling!

>>4905706

No he fucking didn't.

>>4905698

They should give me those trillions.

I have a special CO2 entrapment device, I just need space and some time to put in place.

I will also help with job employment since I need manpower to put this in place.

>>4905686

maybe i should have prefaced that i don't have an opinionated answer about this issue.

there is data out there, but i must admit there probably isn't enough to come to a definitive conclusion about the nature of the problem (if there really is one).

in light of this ignorance it seems scandalous to assume a reactionary policy whose results would be to upset the present global economic balance.

>>4905709

the data fit a hypothetical pattern.

it lead to new hypotheses.

is scientific illiteracy a requirement these days?

>>4905787

Go drink your kool-aid and ramble about futurism somewhere else.

>>4905722

yes. they are called "greenhouses". plant growth studies show a marked increase in development in higher CO2 concentrations. there's an up side of warming perhaps.

but other issues might arise as well, such as changes in creature,migratory patterns (mosquitos moving north etc…)

it is terribly complex.

>>4905787

>is scientific illiteracy a requirement these days?

Not for you certainly.

How you could schlong yourself so badly in so few words is astounding.

>>4905819

futurism? ok cro-magnon, go rub some fucking sticks together and self immolate.

>>4905656

>anthropocene

"The Anthropocene is a proposed epoch that begins when human activities started to have a significant global impact on Earth's geology and ecosystems."-Jimbopedia

The idea of this 'Anthropocene' comes from the same people who brought us climate models that weren't able to predict the present.

>>4905848

this is true.

>>4905848

the signal to noise ratio in our data is so low, it is pretty to ridiculous to make any prediction about short term events.

>>4904623

is the hydrogen cycle a good thing or a bad thing?

>>4905834

You know how I can tell you're from reddit yid?

>>4905972

never been there pal. i am well educated however. i do realize how threatening might be.

Fuck the global warming argument. It's a blatant distraction from Big Oil and friends. I can't believe everyone eats this shit up.

Is there one good reason not to invest more into R&D for making new energy alternatives more effective and economically viable for consumers? No.

Every year we spend talking about it is a wasted.

>>4905988

>muh education

>muh starbucks degree

>arguing on an imageboard at 2pm

>doesn't work

I see you made great life choices goy.

>>4905994

still waiting on thorium or pebble bed reactors. the stigma about nuclear though…

>>4906019

>muh stigma

There's a stigma on genocide and yet the jews will still be dealt with.

The holocaust didn't happen but it will.

>>4904623

>presupposing global warming is even a thing at all

lel

>>4906009

i'm taking a break from a design project to discuss a topic of interest with whom i had hoped would be rational and intelligent. you have proven my expectations to be way too high. what i do with my time is my business.

>>4906038

good thing im not jewish. what a time to be alive.

>>4906059

>talking like you're above other people

>on an anonymous imageboard dedicated to hatred of the jewish problem

What the fuck are you even doing?

Do you keep replying because you're paid to post?

>>4906077

it's a conversation, no? look at the thread topic you ignorant slut.

>>4906091

>conversation

I'm just bantering lad.

>>4906091

>>4906077

Go to >>>/erp/ and fuck there.

>>4905994

>Is there one good reason not to invest more into R&D for making new energy alternatives more effective and economically viable for consumers?

It's enormously expensive and fossil fuels are dirt cheap so your;

>economically viable for consumers

is a nonsense.

>>4905994

If it's such a good investment you think people would invest money into it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLMNj_r5bccUwgm4-u98iH5X0EUD0w0L1j&v=82W41de4TT4

CLIMATE SCIENCE IS PSEUDO SCIENCE

GLOBAL WARMING IS A LIE

SAY NO TO CARBON TAXES

CLIMATE CHANGE IS CODE FOR WEATHER MODIFICATION

"CONSENSUS" IS A LIE

EVERY MODEL HAS GROSSLY OVERESTIMATED WARMING

NO EVIDENCE SUGGESTS "RUNAWAY" WARMING IS EVEN POSSIBLE

HIGHER CO2 LEVELS EXISTED PRE-INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION

RUNAWAY WARMING THEORY FAILS BECAUSE WATER FORMS CLOUDS, NOT WATER VAPOR

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLSHIT!

Are unicorns a good thing or bad thing?

>>4906295

1st world patriarchy is a good.

>>4904623

The scientists are mostly government whores, so not sure if it exists. And more government is not the answer.

>>4904677

Global cooling is not a problem. Ice ages are what made us strong.

>>4905698

>"Over the next 15 years, the global economy will require an estimated $89 trillion in infrastructure investments across cities, energy, and land-use systems, and $4.1 trillion in incremental investment for the low-carbon transition to keep within the internationally agreed limit of a 2 degree Celsius temperature rise."

This is all you really need to know.

Even if they were right, Allan Savory and Mark Shephard (sp?) have the right ideas. Trees store carbon, better grazing stores carbon. It's plowing until you get to nearly zero organic matter and burning grasslands that dumps tons of into the atmosphere.

But there's no money in that.

>>4905823

But greenhouses don't use CO2 to warm up, they are just isolated enviroments in which the energy is never dispersed and because of that it's an extremely humid and hot enviroment, the CO2 is used as food for the plants, because otherwhise it would eventually end up with no CO2.

>>4906723

Slightly incorrect.

Only GOV scientists are gov whores.

Many more scientist oppose rather than support the climate change scam.

Consensus is an illusion created by the WHORE MEDIA

>>4907105

most scientists are dependent on the goverment

But I agree. Their consensus is laughable when you know where those numbers came from.

>>4906277

Do you know Micheal Tsarion? Hes pretty /x/ tier and in some of his stances are not /pol/approved but some things he states are really worth thinking about. As the following:

Global warming is a code word for the state of conciousness the inhabitants of this planet are in right know (heating up, about to explode)

Carbon actually referes to the human body and it has, for the reason stated above, to be reduced, using various means, like actually creating a climate change via HAARP/Chemtrails to cause floods and shortages in food supply (draughts and extensive rain periods)

Sage and report. There is no global warming. There is no climate change.

>>4904724

>>4904709

>>4905422

>>4905658

>>4905823

There is no global warming. There is no climate change. It is not happening and no one is causing it.

>>4907544

Are you sure there isn't moderate global warming due to CO2 being a greenhouse gas? :(

>>4904623

>Is global warming a good thing or a bad thing?

It's a nonexistent thing. Stop worshiping scientists as if their word is gospel.