/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance

of a more controlled society. Such a society would be

dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values.

Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous

surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date

complete files containing even the most personal

information about the citizen. These files will be

subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

"In the technetronic society the trend seems to be

toward aggregating the individual support of millions

of unorganized citizens, who are easily within the

reach of magnetic and attractive personalities, and

effectively exploiting the latest communication

techniques to manipulate emotions and control

reason. Reliance on television — and hence the

tendency to replace language with imagery, which

is international rather than national, and to include

war coverage or scenes of hunger in places as

distant as, for example, India — creates a

somewhat more cosmopolitan, though highly

impressionistic, involvement in global affairs."

"Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage

in the maturing of man's universal vision … Marxism

is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man

over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason

over belief … Marxism, disseminated on the popular

level in the form of communism, represents a major

advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship

to the world."

"By the year 2018, technology will make available to the

leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for

conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum

of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may

attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means,

thoroughly weakening the population (though with a

minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own

armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather

modification could be employed to produce prolonged

periods of drought or storm…"

Things he envisioned:

>continuous surveillance over everyone; mainting an up to date file

>file with most personal information available to authorities

>exploiting communication techniques to manipulate emotions an control reason

>replacing language with imagery

>secret warfare (biological weapons)

>weather modification

‪Zbigniew Brzezinski‬, Between Two Ages (1970)

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-z5FBdAnrFME2m1U4

It's just a question of time

And it's running out for you.

>>4921753

forgot the link to the article

http://news.rpi.edu /luwakkey/2902

I also think, disarming the conspiracy theorist label would

provide very useful. If the meaning of the term could be

changed, by making fun of it – which makes me think

of this video from george carlin.

https://www.youtube DOT com/watch?v=5QOVdE_3anU

Another way could be by showing people various

conspiracy theories come true and through that

making them again question their own beliefs.

If they see that some of these are true, then why

should the same not apply to others

One easy to swallow conspiracy theory may be the CIA's

role in pushing modern art as a weapon in the cold war.

http://www.independent.co DOT uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

What are other powerful ways of killing of discussion?

>>4922392

Easy, if it aint broke dont fix it. Their is a reason why race issues are always brought up worldwide whenever a mass awakening is going to happen. Look at 99 seattle movment, people were starting to see how fucked we actually are…..booom 9/11 (dem dirty musslums) 2008, people were waking up and seeing how fucked we really are….mass shooting after mass shooting (dem crazy honkeys). Now, people are seeing how fucked we are…….migrants freely allowed to rape and pillage (dem dirty brown people/mooslums) Just sit back get comfy and enjoy the downfall of society, until everyone unites under the banner of fucking over the elites (we can fix the migrant issues latter) nothing will change, as long as we keep dividing ourselfs with all our different ideologies and race boundaries, get used to throating that globalist elite cock

>>4921753

Scientific proof of the cultural effectiveness of a landed nobility. Wow.

Something else that has to be considered in discussions

is the so called

==backfire effect=

This revolves around the fact that everyone has certain

beliefs and opinions which range from political, social,

cultural aspects to very mundane stuff (e.g. how and how not

to do certain things). These beliefs and opinions are dear

to the person no matter what happens. They will be protected

from any harm.

If people come across a contradictory opinion to their

established view of the world, people go berserk, entering

a mode where rationality seems to be absent. Every

counterargument and comment from the other side is

like fuel to the fire burning inside the person. This applies

to you, as well as to the person with which you are arguing.

If anyone tries to pressure this shield with which you

protect your opinion, you backfire with a stronger version

of that opinion. Every time a person tries to find a loop-

hole in your idea, you will backfire with stronger evidence.

The discomfort we experience by someone refuting our

beliefs and ideas can be so intolerable that people go to

great lengths to disguise or deny our changing beliefs

by paying less attention to information that contradicts

our present convictions and more to that which confirms them.

Presenting facts also makes people surer of themselves.

People will stick to their beliefs instead of questioning them.

People will never like their opinions being challenged unles

they absolutely know the other person is in the right.

Ways to fight it:

>Let tempers cool down abefore bringing the subject up again.

>A large portion of the backfire effect stems from people not wanting to be seen as wrong or stupid in front of an audience. (people want to fit in)

>If possible, you should show your opponent how something would benefit

>them personally. A lot of people view certain positions as a zero sum game

>and if you're able to show that it's not (or at least they'd get the long end of

>the stick) you can bring them around.

>>4922677

So the way to beat the globalists is to unite and become globalists. No.eat shit and died the globalists don't need to fabricate anything for me to hate nigs or musliums.

>>4922789

Kek, I don't really care anymore….just answering ops question on how discussion is stoped….and here you are stoping discussion by….hold it….hold it…. Talking about race hahahaha, get comfy buddy this world is going down the drain

>>4922789

>So the way to beat the globalists is to unite and become globalists.

Not what >>4922677 said.

>until everyone unites under the banner of fucking over the elites

(we can fix the migrant issues latter) nothing will change, as long

as we keep dividing ourselfs with all our different ideologies and

race boundaries

and this is true. As i said before. The light is shining ever more

brightly and exposing them more and more. Why else would they

crack down on the internet so hard (e.g. outlawing conspiracy

theories in france).

They're afraid, and they should be.

>>4922864

Yup, I want to hope that shit will change but those 3 examples I used are a very tiny bit, if we go back threw history over thousands of years, we will find examples exactly like this. Will continue to happen as long as anon who replied to me have that simple target they can lock onto, even with the dam internet, were we can see people worldwide are getting tired of globalization. It is a very simple target to latch onto……. You can physically see the (insert whatever race you hate here) "enemy" which is why it is getting extremely popular to hate. The one tool we have to brake the shackles of the kings and queens is the internet and we still fuck it up……ah well

>>4922392

read your whole thread OP, good posts, for the conspiracy theory examples: Operation Northwood there is even an wikipedia entry is really good for what you described

>>4922979

There are culture creators and culture consumers. The former are in far fewer numbers. The culture creator understands culture well enough to manipulate it, while the consumer only needs the fruits of a deeper culture to be satisfied. This is why it is difficult to directly explain these concepts, you must show it to them indirectly. It takes time, and enough outward effects to draw the consumer towards the creators, but once there is open rapport they strengthen together at an exponential rate.

>>4922979

The examples are great. And it is obvious that the migrant

crisis has been engineered or at the very least been foreseen

for quite some time.

And i agree, the migrant crisis could be solved to a later point.

But how will the people ever unite against the elites.

The meme about the wealth inequality is spread far and wide,

being talked about by mass media themselves.

There has to be some consensus on which people around the

world agree to and can unite under.

>The one tool we have to brake the shackles of the kings

and queens is the internet and we still fuck it up……ah well

This just reminded me of something Assange said.

Sysadmins of the World, Unite!

"Faced with increasing encroachments on privacy and free

speech, high-tech workers around the world should identify

as a class and fight power together.

Assange drew parallels between the labor movements of

the industrial age and the technology workers of today.

As workers joined into unions to fight for better working

conditions, technology workers should unite to fight

government encroachments on Internet and speech

freedoms.

System administrators, who have access to confidential

government or corporate documents, have particular ability

to play a role in what he painted as a new class war

This is the last free generation.

The coming together of the systems of government and

the information apartheid is such that none of us will be

able to escape it in just a decade.

Fighting this system – by leaking information, where possible,

or otherwise working for the cause of transparency – was the

only way to shape government systems in a positive way."

Which is quite an interesting idea to consider. Sysadmins yield

such enourmous power, power that is mainly untapped right now.

https://archive.is/H3ICb (wired article)

https://media.ccc DOT de/v/30C3_-_5397_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312292245_-_sysadmins_of_the_world_unite_-_julian_assange_-_jacob (the talk itself)

>>4923146

do go on with this idea. It's interesting.

McKenna talked of culture being a kind of operating system.

The thing that culture is being created with agendas in mind

is something that is quite new to me. So please, fell free to

share any information you have.

>>4923209

"But how will the people ever unite against the elites." We already are silly, threw the same tools that we are shackled with (kikebook, twatter, jewtube). It's simply a matter of pointing out how backwards certain views are, not directly, just got to plat the seeds of doubt. Those guys standing silent in new york with those "bush did 9/11" have been at this for alot longer, now their harvest for that specific idea is coming to fruition. Now we are those "cracy looneys" but the elites have given us a world wide tool to let us plant not just hundreds but millions of seeds.

>>4923218

You wouldn't happen to have those pics of diversity in the national movement circle would you? Just showed a collage of different races wearing the swastika..should of saved it but posting those pics in facebook and sjw comment sections kinda of go against the whole whites are all racist…..let's point out that they are the ones indirectly causing a surge of true flat out if you aint im going to kill you.

>>4923281

Culture is an immeasurable sum of understanding between a group of people. Often racial, but not necessarily, there only needs to be a common foundation somewhere. Words of course being the most common way we communicate with each other represent a certain level of culture that is easy to exchange. The closer a people are to a culture the more similar their understandings of what words mean, thus making their exchanges much more efficient.

When you get to manipulating these people you can assault a culture through words. Take critical theory, it manipulates words in way to uproot people from a commonly understood culture. It leads the consumers astray as well as creating static to confuse the natural culture creators. Once this intrusive culture pulls people too far away from their innate culture is when we begin to see a stronger breed of creators produced and willing consumers. Resulting is a stronger more cohesive culture to attend to what was lacking.

There are many cultures present in a single person, it only depends on how you dissect their foundation of properties to find the differing groups you could identify a culture in so I'm trying to speak very generally.

>>4923541

Also a large part of being uprooted from culture through critical theory is the skepticism of one's own identity that is introduced.

>>4922743

I hate to break it down to you but why give a fuck at all? Most shit that is discussed ends up in useless sophistry anyway.

That most logical conclusion would be not to give a fuck at all if you cannot profit from it.

>>4923601

>I hate to break it down to you but why give a fuck at all? Most shit that is discussed ends up in useless sophistry anyway.

And irony apparently

>>4923481

Is it a sufficient enough way to counter following?

"In the technetronic society the trend seems to be

toward aggregating the individual support of millions

of unorganized citizens, who are easily within the

reach of magnetic and attractive personalities, and

effectively exploiting the latest communication

techniques to manipulate emotions and control

reason"

I do think that they are helpful by being images and not written

text and are probably processed in different ways by the brain.

"Reliance on television — and hence the

tendency to replace language with imagery,

which is international rather than national

creates a somewhat more cosmopolitan, though

highly impressionistic, involvement in global affairs"

>>4923660

The irony is that they are all true beliefers themselves. Because if you soley rely on reason none of this makes any sense. The irony of the irony if you will. Full circle, full insanity.

>>4923671

Society is dumb as rocks (by design), pretty pictures do alot more to point shit out.

>as long as we keep dividing ourselfs with all our different ideologies and race boundaries

That was nature. Bolsheviks OUT.

bump

>>4923601

Trying to change a persons view through discussion

is futile. That's why, if the circumstances permit it, i just like to

show people certain types of media without really giving so

much context. The media has to be kind of neutral and not be

that much out of the ordinary. If it is, people will probably get

on the defensive

- "What? I should trust anything on this website? This site

looks like the biggest conspiracy theory-crap.

For one example. The information has to be packaged in a

certain, universally accepted package. At least that's what i think.

>Scientists at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute have found

>that when just 10 percent of the population holds an

>unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted

>by the majority of the society.

So basically if we unleash the memes of war and slowly creep into peoples minds and get 10% of people in a country aware of the meme magick we can gas the kikes, race war now!?

This is exploitable for further lulz

>>4923779

yes yes keep that mindset, wow not even trying and still proving my point hahah, thanks i suppose

>>4923783

Of course that is completely correct. You change peoples point of view gradually.

My point was that there is always a emotional component even for this smug motherfuckers that created that powerpoint presentation. Give me ten minutes with one of these retards and i ll give them a taste of their own smugness.

>>4922998

>Operation Northwood

Yeah, a great example.

The label "conspiracy theory" is a very effective

weapon in killing discussion and therefore has to be disarmed.

Another way than just pointing out conspiracy

theories that came true would be to take the

negative load off of the word. Just get people

to accept that conspiracies are just secret plans.

>>4921753

>when just 10 percent of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society.

This is obviously absolute bullshit. This is the reason nobody takes social science seriously.

>>4922832

You can barely write English, so don't be surprised when nobody here takes you seriously.

>>4923874

That 10% thing is nonsense. Think about it for a few seconds and you will be able to come up with numerous counterexamples. That it got published is a display of the intellectual vaccuum that is social science.

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>>4923983

It entirely depends on who are you talking to.

Take a regular normie that doesnt waste too much time in politics and this will not work or has little impact. It depends on what part the polulation you want to reach and the quantity.

Are you trying to redpill a friend or are you trying to "educate" the masses.

Define your goal, define a timeframe and define a acceptable outcome. Apply measures accordingly.

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>>4924108

Why don't you rebuke the points in a lengthy post where you expose the errors and give good counterarguments with sauce?

Oh wait

You're a triple combo post shill

FUCK OFF SCHLOMO

>>4921032

On topic: Brzezinski is a good example of the ivory tower insulated elite. He is wrong about most things because he doesn't understand reality. Only his bubble. Geopolitics is one of those areas where they can be wrong 90% of the time, but people will still listen for some reason as long as the people like Brzezinski speak authoritatively (about all they do well).

>>4924176

A good example is a religious minority. There are groups who have made up 10% of a population for centuries and their values never spread to the larger population.

Think a little bit, dude, it's good for you. Just because somebody says something is science, doesn't mean it is true, and that goes especially for social science where 99% of what is published happens to be demonstrably false.

>>4924199

yous underestimazts the enemy yung wun? whys is mize spelling the bigizt isue to u? Just play pretend and think of the opposing viewpoint this one time yeah? Just pretend that social science can be legitimate business my friend.

>>4924232

I would take that with a grain of salt, social sciences might be ideologically loaded but they are not retarded.

Somebody posted a statistic of about what happens when muslims exceed a certain threshold.

>>4924232

Remember that all of sjw theory comes from social science. Transgender, race-denial, sex-denial, "privilege" theories, homosexual theories, etc. If you take social science at face value, you're retarded.

All of it is just bullshit that kikes pull out of their ass and people pretend it is science because it gets published in peer-reviewed journals and repeated by the Jewish press. But peer review is meaningless if the collection of peers happen to be morons.

>>4921032

All that's missing is the shilling for water filters.

>>4924294

Thats mainly due to personal belief, personal bias , peer pressure and political circumstances, that doesnt invalidate everything they discover or their data entirely.

>>4921753

This is literally a cheat code to making a nation change

>>4921422

>‪Zbigniew Brzezinski‬, Between Two Ages (1970)

1970, makes sense, I already had the feeling I was reading a dated scifi novel.

He's a Zbig guy.

>>4921753

From the study

http://www.cs.rpi.edu /~szymansk/papers/pre.11.pdf

"Human behaviour is profoundly affected by the influenceability

of individuals and the social networks that link them together.

Well before the proliferation of online social networking, offline

or interpersonal social networks have been acknowledged as

a major factor in determining how societies move towards

consensus in the adoption of ideologies, traditions and attitues.

Commonly used models for this process include the treshhold model

and the Bass model. A key feature in both these models is that once

an individual adopts the new state, his state remains unchanged at

all subsequent times.

(…) we focus on one (model) which is a 2-opinion variant of the

"Naming Game" (NG) and that we refer to as the binary agreement model (bam). The evolution of the system in this model takes place through the usual NG dynamics, wherein at each simulation time step, a randomly chosen speaker voices a random opinion from his list to

a randomly chosen neighbor, designated the listener. If the listener

has the spoken opinion in his list, both speaker and listener retain only

that opinion, else the listener adds the spoken opinion to his list.

The binary agreement model is well suited to understanding how

opinions, perceptions or behaviours of individuals are altered through

social interactions specifically in situations where the cost associated

with changing one's opinions is low [19], or where changes in state are

not deliberate or calculated, bun unconscious [20]. Furthermore, by it's

very definition, the binary agreement model may be applicable to

situations where agents while trying to influence others, simultaneously

have a desire to reach global consensus [21].

Here we study the evolution of opinions in the bam starting from an

initial state where all agents adopt a given opinion B, except for a finite

fraction p of the total number of agents who are committed agents and have state A. Committed agents, introduced previously in [23], are

defined nodes that can influence other nodes to alter their state through

the usual prescribed rules, but which themselves are immune to

influence."

Then comes a whole lot of math which is not my strength and therefore

will not judge.

It would be interesting to examine the examples they have given for

their study.

SUMMARY

IN closing, we have demonstrated here the existence of a tipping point

at which the initial majority opinion of a network switches quickly to that

of a consistent and inflexible minority. There are several historical

precedents for such events, for example

- the suffragette movement in the early 20th century, and

- the rise of the AMerican civil-rights movment that startet shortly after

the size of the African-American population crossed the 10% mark

This work was supported in part by

The Army Research Laboratory

The Army Research Office

THe Office of Naval Research

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Would one of the local techpriest please make a comp?

>>4923541

interesting. thanks for sharing.

>It leads the consumers astray as well as creating static to confuse the natural culture creators

I don't quite get this part though.

>>4924459

For U.N

>>4924749

Both groups require an outside existing culture for guidance. The creators experience culture more intimately, so they don't exactly create but rather propagate values present. To be clear the culture I'm talking about is a natural sum of a group's interactions and how they perceive each other. I can't define it in its wholeness only suggest such a thing exists and its effects vary greatly between persons and situations.

On the level of words and images the cultural consumer requires the context given from ones that understand, so when a position of authority inside a culture is taken by an external force the followers gravitates to what seems to be social norm. I suspect that many people are incapable of understanding themselves to a sufficient level, much less how they relate to the ones around them and so deception is effective.

I'm really simplifying what is happening with the creator/consumer dichotomy, but understand that I'm trying to give a very general description and there are many other things to take in to account depending on the situation and demography. I'm not very good at explaining myself so I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

>>4925156

The key is the find some sort of "stability" regarding the culture/internet culture and real life. One would describe that as harmony.

>>4925253

I would say the key is a natural purpose that can be shared inside a demographic, which arises as the right minds gain understanding of it. Stability comes from this.

Natural is the big thing which I'd define as the perfection of culture, which is immeasurable. No individual can understand the wholeness of a culture, they only need to understand a section deep enough to resonate with others around them. Attaining perfection may be a dream, but chasing this dream gives a purpose that will never be quenched.

>>4925529

So that is what i would describe as filling the void.

Let me quote (and i hate to steal) richard von weizäcker: Physics is for young men, philopsophy for old ones.

Which in itself describes a paradoxon, to save our culture you have to be acting against it in a way.