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ebde44 No.5221712

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

More details in the link but here is the basic 7 point plan:

>1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

>2.Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

>3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

>4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

>5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

>6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

>7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

923c8b No.5221723

>1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

Cruz BTFO, this was one of rato's shill points against Trump


74d11b No.5221746

>>5221712

THE BEST


ebde44 No.5221815

No doubt this will brought up in the debate tomorrow. I would love to see how Rato and Lubio try and counter this.


70c1a4 No.5221817

File: 1456974649998.jpg (140.84 KB, 750x920, 75:92, goldendon.jpg)

It's pretty basic shit, some of which republicans have been saying for a long time.

The difference is Trump will ACTUALLY do the shit he's saying, or try to. When the republicans talk about this shit they just blow smoke up everyone's ass.

This also blows Cruz the fuck out.

GOLDEN DON SOON


66dbb3 No.5221824

>Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

What this really means is that the american drug industry can't hold a monopoly on drugs anymore, especially the life saving kind that they love to mark up to absurd degrees that virtually require having health to cover, which is also absurdly expensive.

Someone I know that lives with us recently had to go to the hospital and almost died of something, and one of the things he had to take was something he said they were charging something like a thousand dollars per pill.

We're poor as shit, if not for being a senior and getting medicaid he couldn't possible pay for it.


d5172f No.5221836

INSURANCE KIKES BTFO

MAKE HEALTHCARE GREAT AGAIN


0efd6d No.5221872

>check social media

>people are shitting on it for being too simple and the foreign drugs part

>people actually want a 1,000+ page monster

>people can't recognize a bargaining chip when they see one

/pol/, thank you for being sane, rational people.


08e044 No.5221879

>>5221872

I guess the TPP is great because it's thousands of pages long.


424754 No.5221886

File: 1456975141802.gif (653.1 KB, 320x180, 16:9, 1454661599181.gif)

>>5221872

>people can't into economics

No fucking shit their shitting on it. The fucks probably have $10k in credit card debt and less than 1,000 buck in their savings account.


0efd6d No.5221895

>>5221879

You act like these people know what TPP is. They arr more interested in which talmudvision star is blowing another talmudvision star.


877e8f No.5221907

File: 1456975281262.jpg (30.44 KB, 260x184, 65:46, Goyim!.jpg)

>>5221712

oy gevalt

This is pure socialism!


4d7d29 No.5221927

>>5221723

Trump has been saying this for like 6 months and that hasn't stopped Cruz from lying about it.

Cruz will continue to lie and say that Trump supports all kinds of things that he doesn't.


f0ce9a No.5221957

I only wish that he included anything about not allowing insurance companies to deny someone for a pre-existing condition, that's pretty much one of the only problems I care about and it would have gotten him fucking one million extra votes.


2a2f5e No.5221961

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

His "saving on drug imports" plan is something I can vouch he's been consistent on. I was at his NH rally (the one where the woman called Ted Cruz a pussy) and this was a subject he brought up, I don't have the exact time he brings it up, but I know it's in here.


0efd6d No.5221969

>>5221957

He's said it so many times, I doubt he needs to put it on paper.


668ef5 No.5221981

>>5221957

He's for that, I think he said it at the last debate too.


923c8b No.5221991

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>5221872

If Bernie released the same exact plan they would be praising it. It's that simple, they are preprogammed to respond to certain stimuli.


58c2a9 No.5221996

>>5221969

>>5221981

put it on paper so he is accountable for it, right now he's good, but he has to aim for that as a goal


2e1726 No.5222000

>>5221723

>Cruz BTFO, this was one of rato's shill points against Trump

Every time Cruz says that, Trump says he wants to repeal Obamacare, the man's just a broken record


877e8f No.5222003

>>5221991

and you know the GOP is going to call this "government intervention in the free market"


cd464e No.5222011

>>5222000

Nice fucking get. Anyway. The Cruz people have pushed hard this meme that Trump doesn't mean what he says, to grease the wheels for their own outright lies.


f0ce9a No.5222012

>>5221969

>>5221981

I wasn't aware that he's mentioned it but I haven't seen all of his speeches and rallies, and I also haven't watched the last debate in full (although he's said he won't let people die out on the streets, so it's pretty fucking implicit anyway). Moreover, people who would otherwise vote for him definitely haven't heard him mention it, so there's no way at all they would know about it.

Also, don't forget that people are fucking retarded enough to believe Cruz's lies about Trump's health care plans.

>>5221991

Lastly, this.


2a2f5e No.5222016

>>5221961

Okay I found it. 22 minutes, 40 seconds in. https://youtu.be/c-UyrR2I9l0?t=1360


0efd6d No.5222034

>>5221991

Yuri died too soon.


923c8b No.5222040

>>5222000

I meant the individual mandate, Juze Cruz keeps saying he wants to repeal it and replace it with single payer state controlled garbage


3e95f2 No.5222043

File: 1456976120919.jpg (244.5 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, kokkuri-san-3.jpg)

>>5221872

>people are shitting on it for being too simple

Why should it be needlessly complicated?


d834f0 No.5222050

>>5221872

>1,000 page monster

Obviously hindsight being 20/20 when Rubio was pressing Trump on his healthcare plan and being seemingly incredulous it was so short Trump should have said that unlike Rubio he didn't want to have 1,000 page omnibus blls because they're just filled with kickbacks and graft


98f2ce No.5222062

>>5222034

(((died)))


0efd6d No.5222068

>>5222043

Because the common man shouldn't have to worry about understanding things that are simple. He should let the government do that for him while he just relaxes and watches some tv. :^)


263f51 No.5222072

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

cc2860 No.5222077

number 1 good enough for me.


2e1726 No.5222078

>>5221872

Weren't people shitting on Obamacare years ago for being an inches-thick document? Christ.


0efd6d No.5222081

>>5222062

He's dead. We all know he was taken out but that doesn't change the fact that this based individual is feeding worms right now.


916627 No.5222087

there wasn't a Trump rally today, correct?

I knew something felt off about today.


ebde44 No.5222091

>>5222003

Which is funny because its fairly light on the "government intervention" and actually opens up proper free market competition while mitigating the potential adverse effects in turn. It applies as much 'socialism' as is needed to the benefit of the country.

I bet none of the other GOP candidates have proposed anything that is serious about breaking apart the chokehold the pharmaceutical corporations have over the market.


668ef5 No.5222092

>>5222012

You're right, I was just letting you know


1383b5 No.5222097

>>5221712

Everything looks good to me.

Now I just have to endure liberals bitching about him wanting to destroy Obamacare even though it's a completely broken system. Most of the people I know on Obamacare have elected to pay the fine instead of actually get healthcare because it's way cheaper


0efd6d No.5222127

>>5222097

I pay the fine.

>paid $367 this year

>coworker pays for health insurance

>can't afford to go see the doc right now and his stomach is all sorts of fucked

>still pays a metric fuckton for his insurancr


e9759c No.5222132

>As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

He sure did hide this.


0efd6d No.5222165

>>5222132

>niggers can still get their free health gibs

>except it is up to each statr how to regulate said gibs

I'm okay with this. If a state decides you can have you medicaid but it won't cover your sex change or some other stupid shit, I'm okay with that. If Commiefornians want their plan to cover them transition for genderfluid dolphinkin, I am also cool with that. States get to decide. That is what is important.


d89893 No.5222179

>>5222132

I mean, sure, it's government intervention and I'm not a fan, but it beats the shit out of what we have going on now.

Why is it always all or nothing?


964044 No.5222184

Great plan! Simple and effective. Burn everything down and build it back up again!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN


0a9613 No.5222202

File: 1456977036819-0.png (728.12 KB, 1050x600, 7:4, Cruz.png)

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>>5221723

That has never stopped Cruz.

Cruz is a filthy lying faggot. All he ever does is fucking lie.


e1c2c1 No.5222207

>>5222179

The difference is its not federal government intervention. It would be allowing states to dictate how and what is intervened. I think its a very smart move and we need to smack libercuckians in the face with this until they see the golden light.


cdfd25 No.5222227

>>5221712

Basically everything we guessed/knew it was. Great to have confirmation on that front.


f2009a No.5222228

"Donald J. Trump is a liar and conman who was a democrat last year, he is a strong supporter of obamacare and planned parenthood/abortion. For the last 7 days we have been showing America the truth about Donald Trump, and America is waking up. A conman will never sit in the white house mark my words, Trump was beaten in Texas and will lose again in Florida, and we will take the white house back for conservative moderate values. Make America Good Again."

-Robotic Ratman Bush


d89893 No.5222249

>>5222207

Government is government. I'd prefer the individual decides, but I'll take what I can get.


e61e59 No.5222254

File: 1456977261024.gif (654.25 KB, 245x245, 1:1, laugh it up, lut.gif)

I don't know if this had already been said, but:

>lying Cruz accuses Trump of support Obamacare, even though Trump is on record saying it's a "disaster"

>the day after Cruz gives this tirade, Trump releases his health care plan

>mfw

Holy shit, he just made Ted Cruz look like a fucking tool. At first I thought it was Trump eventually giving in to El Rato but then I realized that everything Trump does is designed to uplift his supporters and allies and crush/embarrass his enemies. This is too fucking rich.


cdfd25 No.5222262

>>5222254

Yep he just waited in order to deal maximum damage it seems. Now that Cruz has gone full lies and is his main opponent. Trump blows him the fuck up so Cruz can never recover the narrative on that front ever again.


f4fff8 No.5222264

>>5221991

You are correct.

>>5222034

>Yuri was murdered to soon.

I fixed it for you.


f2009a No.5222271

>>5221712

Shiet this reads like something Carson helped make, I can't imagine Trump did it without him.

>Health Savings Accounts

Sleepy Nigger confirmed.


f4fff8 No.5222273

>>5222264

>too

I don't know why I make typos so often when I still recognize them as typos.


e61e59 No.5222289

>>5222011

Nice get yourself, anon.

>>5222262

Knowing El Rato though, he'll just deflect. Still, this is a lot of damage.


0efd6d No.5222298

>>5222249

So long as the government is aiding in the care of people, it has to play some role in healthcare. It's better the states decide than how Obongo forced all the states to enjoy Niggercare.


6e6c75 No.5222304

>>5222091

>I bet none of the other GOP candidates have proposed anything that is serious about breaking apart the chokehold the pharmaceutical corporations have over the market.

Communist detected, the free market has gifted this system to us, who are we to use the government to overthrow it?


0383aa No.5222309

>>5221872

It's because those people are autistic policy wonks that don't understand that most of the time those positions are what the politician in question wants to do - whether it will get through Congress untouched is another matter.

They're usually the same idiots complaining that Trump has "no substance" in the debates because - instead of repeating rote-memorised soundbites like Macrosoft's Rubio.exe (Let's dispel this idea that Obama doesn't know what he's doing…) - he can actually talk off-the-cuff (and react accordingly)


f2009a No.5222328

>>5222304

>Communist detected, the (((jew))) has gifted this system to us, who are we to use the government to overthrow it?


2a2f5e No.5222330

>>5222249

The big reason we can't just deploy libertarianism right now and break up all the big roads :^) is that there are already so many laws and under the table collusion that hurt the free market. It would be way to difficult to repeal all those laws, so its better to just go Trumps way where congress can vote for one "Trumpcare" law that essentially overpowers the previous laws and collusion in order to create something that is very, very, very similar to a true free market.


923c8b No.5222339

>>5222328

>who are we to use jews to overthrow jews

Literally what


e9759c No.5222344

>>5222179

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying he hid it at the tail-end of a largely unrelated point.


f2009a No.5222355

>>5222339

Jews used whites to subvert whites, I don't see where the issue is.


877e8f No.5222372

>>5222330

>break up all the big roads

The public sidewalk industry is far worse

I can't believe you're still using the "big road biz" strawman. Mises clearly shows that we're not a free market or society until sidewalk privatization is reached.


f2009a No.5222405

Daily reminder than /leftypol/ is 85% libertarian.

Daily reminder that libertarians do not belong here.

Daily reminder, kill yourself lolberg kikes.


ebde44 No.5222470

>>5222304

Well tbh Donald's approach is really meant to remove the big pharma controlled fed government that blocks out potential competition. You need to use government action to remove the remove the adverse effects that are being enacted by our shitty federal system.


b940cf No.5222492

>>5222304

The corrupt government gave you the system.

The government needs to be used to destroy itself.


cc2860 No.5222525

>>5222127

Just pisses me the fuck off that I am FORCED to pay a tax because I don't have healthcare, plenty of more reasonable things to tax me on and they pick this so the healthcare industry makes a few extra worthless pieces of green paper.


923c8b No.5222546

>>5222405

Not a libertarian, but your outright lies and D&C shilling is despicable. Much of the Tea Party movement who calls itself libertarian went to Trump.

Your lies about /leftypol/ are clear for anybody to go there right now and see. You are a kike, nothing more.


be07fd No.5222551

>>5222405

D&C fuckstick. We have bigger fish to fry than your ideological fetishes.


72cd2b No.5222568

>>5222405

Libertarian here, fuck off D&C shill.

/leftypol/ gets triggered as fuck when you start mentioning libertarianism or people like Rothbard or Hoppe.


aa7e43 No.5222598

>7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

This is the #1 thing that makes healthcare so fucking expensive, drug and medical supply corps have de facto monopolies through patent trolling and inflate prices by literally 20 times or more, and people think that subsidizing a monopoly/oligarchy with socialized medicine is going to fix our fucked up healthcare system, it isn't, if the government gave everyone $10,000 for a new Toyota, Toyota would just raise prices by $7500 or so, and the same applies to any industry where you suffocate competition on the supply side and create massive pork barrel subsidies on the demand side. It is going to be an uphill battle against big pharma to accomplish step 7 but if he actually gets rid of artificial barriers to market entry in healthcare Americans will pay a fraction of what they do currently and it will be the only effective healthcare reform in decades


ce2cb7 No.5222599

>>5222405

Daily reminder shills will D&C


4f3799 No.5222604

File: 1456979244130.jpg (198.22 KB, 834x1000, 417:500, 1453856147291.jpg)


9c5878 No.5222625

>>5221712

>No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

This right here is the biggest priority in my opinion. The rest of it is great, but the #1 issue I have with Obamacare is that it tries to force people to buy. That's retarded as fuck.

>>5221872

>/pol/, thank you for being sane, rational people.

I'll give you sane, but we're not always rational. We're probably at least "above average" on that though. Sometimes.


46eb18 No.5222642

File: 1456979527156.png (1.15 MB, 907x647, 907:647, trumpant.png)

I knew this from his speeches, but I am more baffled by the thread reactions.

>national socialists praising a plan that is pivotal on the free market working and then saying this will stick it to the libertarians

I am a nationalist libertarian so maybe that has something to do with it, but why is it that socialists are praising a plan that is based on a non-controled economy and that will be against libertarian goals for healthcare?


46eb18 No.5222651

>>5222405

ummmmm, they are communists and similar, they are nothing close to libertarians…

communism and libertarianism are infact exact opposites.


0efd6d No.5222708

>>5222525

It pisses me off too but I laugh at it because I know people who legit can't get food on the table because Obongocare is raping their wallet. I'll take the fine over starving.

>>5222625

More rational than the sheeple. That wins you my respect.

>>5222642

/pol/ has varying views on things. We're not /leftypol/.


46eb18 No.5222722

>>5222708

I know, but I am asking why national socialists are praising this and saying libertarians don't like it.


16382a No.5222732

>>5222642

Because it'd at least be better than what we have right now.


78a4ac No.5222734

File: 1456980092940.jpg (294.77 KB, 1200x692, 300:173, image-147_2_2.jpg)

>>5221872

Please post examples. This is just ridiculous. Do they want it to be complicated (Congress can hash out the details, and they would anyways with a now detailed plan) and do they want to pay exorbitant amounts for drugs that cost much less in Canada?

>>5222012

Check out the healthcare chapter of Crippled America


c4e376 No.5222736

File: 1456980096645.jpg (49.5 KB, 620x490, 62:49, The_Birth_Of_Obamacare.jpg)

>>5222625

> but the #1 issue I have with Obamacare is that it tries to force people to buy. That's retarded as fuck.

It's not retarded though. To say that it is retarded is to imply that this was policy was forged due to incompetence. That couldn't be further from the truth.

It was deliberately designed that way to purposefully line more money into the pockets of the pharma/medical industry. It is not incompetent, it is not retarded.

It is malicious, pure and simple. O'nigger and legislation knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote this. They only put on a mask to pretend that they didn't know what was going to happen.

Fucking scum.


46eb18 No.5222747

>>5222732

Okay, but then why are you/they saying libertarians won't think the same?


16382a No.5222758

>>5222747

I don't know about that.

That was my first post, in case you didn't notice.


46eb18 No.5222759

File: 1456980226430.jpg (785.04 KB, 1999x999, 1999:999, rubiocuckservative.jpg)

>>5222736

Rubio….

is that you?


c4e376 No.5222776


0efd6d No.5222783

>>5222722

I wish I could explain it other than saying the only reason I can think that some libertarians won like it is because "the Pauls didn't introduce or endorse it.".

>>5222734

Kikebook son. If you look at some of these responses, they break down like this:

>lol this too simple and won't work

>Drumpf is le ebil

>TED CRUZ WAS RIGHT!

>smatterings of gay cuban manlet supporters

I don't drink much anymore but the sheer stupidity of these people has me thirsty.


46eb18 No.5222790

>>5222776

Look at your post and look at this phrase.

"We need to dispel this fiction right now that obama doesn't know what he is doing. He knows exactly what he is doing."


46eb18 No.5222794

>>5222783

I think us libertarians will love it.


5e6e64 No.5222801

Yay, we can finally legally import $1 a pop generic Viagra from India!


040084 No.5222802

>>5221712

>1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

Ted Cruz is such an ugly rat. Trump doesn't want a canadian-style health care system but Cruz keeps on lying about that.


7e7de1 No.5222807

>>5221824

>>5221872

Holy shit, this. This would just eliminate monopolies. Hell, I say this would eliminate another Martin Shrekli incident and you won't have companies buying drugs and jacking up prices for insane amounts of money.

I wish someone would point this out to the liberals. Then again, they won't listen cause of how stupid they are.


6dd456 No.5222811

hey trump fan short green text story

>be at work reading paper on down time

>Girl comes by

>im laughing at the numbers on the front page

"trump delegates 226, next closes is 69"

>me "HA LOOK AT THIS can't stump the trump 2016"

>girl How can you support that guys, he's a sexist old man"

>me "name one sexist thing he said"

>girl "i can't think of any right now, but i've seen them online you can look it up"

>yeahok.jpeg

>girl" besides i say a video of a black guy at a trump really they beat to a pulp"

>me "no you haven't if that were true it be all over the news"

other stuff happened but needless to say she walked off when my supergnes and pol arguments over whelmed her liberal idealism


0efd6d No.5222814

>>5222794

Some of you will. Others are bitter about Randlet still.


7e7de1 No.5222819

>>5222016

>>5221961

Thank you Anon-kun~


c4e376 No.5222822

>>5222790

In all seriousness, I didn't intend to make it sound like that, but the content still is very much true.

Obamacare wasn't just passed as some afterthought with the pharma/medical industry just conveniently benefiting the most from it.

It was clearly designed with malicious intent in mind.


72cd2b No.5222824

>>5222814

>Others are bitter about Randlet still

Only the cuck lefty libertarians are mad about Cuck Paul getting BTFO


46eb18 No.5222831

>>5222814

That is true, but I have to keep reminding them,

"He is not his father."

>>5222824

This.


0efd6d No.5222851

>>5222831

His father is a man of good character. Randlet on the other hand is the Bobby to Ron's Hank.


18c9a8 No.5222856

>>5221712

Its official im voting for trump. Haven't voted since 2000.


46eb18 No.5222875

File: 1456980924548.gif (663.37 KB, 500x375, 4:3, freedom.gif)

>>5222851

You finally understand…


8c95e6 No.5222876

>>5222132

>leave it up to the states

That sounds like the fair and American way to do it…


040084 No.5222885

>>5222736

>It was deliberately designed that way to purposefully line more money into the pockets of the pharma/medical industry. It is not incompetent, it is not retarded.

pushed by Elizabeth Fowler, lobbyist for the insurance industry:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-07/meet-liz-fowler-architect-obamacare-jumps-ship-johnson-johnson

A few years later she landed a position at WellPoint as a vice president overseeing the giant insurer’s lobbying activities. Fowler then returned to Senate Finance in 2008 to work for Sen. Max Baucus, who chaired the committee, which was becoming Action Central for health reform. Fowler and Baucus pretty much wrote the bill that became Obamacare—and which, we should note, did not include a proposed “public option,” which was popular with ordinary people but not the insurance companies that lobbied hard to make sure it was out of the mix.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-improves-another-life-bills-architect-cashes-out-to-pharma-giant/article/2515260


0efd6d No.5222892

>>5222875

I've realized that about Rand ever since he flew too close to the sun and challenged Trump. I already had doubts about him after he met with the Grand Chief of the Gibs Me Dat Tribe, Al Sharpton.


08e044 No.5222898

File: 1456981074108.jpeg (73.57 KB, 673x587, 673:587, 1454623057322-2.jpeg)

>>5222811

>Tried asking my Mom why she disliked Trump

>"He's racist"

>"What did he say that was racist?"

>Didn't say anything

>"Do you mean the illegals?" I said

>"This country was founded on illegal immigrants! Do you support Trump?"

>"I'd much rather have him than Hillary or Sanders"|

>Says Trump is power hungry

>Asked what she thought of them

>Didn't like Hillary at all and said Bernie "doesn't have a backbone".


496c38 No.5222900

File: 1456981091970.jpg (26.3 KB, 459x449, 459:449, 1450236569998.jpg)

So I just had a conversion with one of my family relatives on kikebook about Trump, it was picture comparing Hitler to Trump and it was to promote fear.

This person is a cousin of my mother, and I said to her "No offense but its very unintelligent to compare someone you disagree with to Hitler and that's the easy way out. I'm very disappointed in you."

She want on about the usual tripe that the media says "he's so sexist! Putin endorsed him! he filed for bankruptcy! and I want an apology for calling me unintelligent!"

She expected an apology, and I told her that's a funny double standard considered you implied I was a racist. She deleted my comment and then I deleted her from my friend list.

I know I was trying to control my power level, but it gives me an idea how shit normalfags opinions are about politics.


8c95e6 No.5222907

>>5222271

Health Savings Account.

That's part of the Swiss system and it works great over there. Put money into a pot when you're young and healthy and not likely to need costly medical services and use it when you're older and breaking down.


6e6c75 No.5222916

>>5222642

Fascism and national socialism aren't opposed to free markets, only when the markets goes against the national interest

Healthcare insurance right now is certainly in that category, anything is better than what we have now

Plus this is a pretty sharp slap to the entire medical industry who enjoys the current way of things


1c47ad No.5222928

File: 1456981351450.png (14.32 KB, 566x182, 283:91, hsa.png)

Sounds a bit like Carson's plan.


0efd6d No.5222943

>>5222928

Sleepy Doc will be in charge of the Department of Health in the Trump presidency so it only makes sense.


8c95e6 No.5222944

>>5222372

Fun fact, sidewalks are private in Italy in the suburbs, everyone has their own sidewalk.

Kind of crazy every home you walk past, the sidewalk changes style, some people have really pretty sidewalks and some people have shitty broken up sidewalks.

The thing that most sucks, is that if there's a murder on the sidewalk in front of your house, they drag you into court because the murder was on your private property, even though it acts like it's public.


46eb18 No.5222952

>>5222916

>Fascism and national socialism aren't opposed to free markets, only when the markets goes against the national interest

Yes they are.

A national socialist who believes in free markets, is 99% of the way to being a nationalist libertarian.

And fascism, at best can only be complacent to a free market. Asking the government or a bureaucracy for a permit to create a buissness is not a free market.

I understand them both, but to say they believe in domestic free market capitalism is just poppycock.


050667 No.5222960

>>5222898

>This country was founded on illegal immigrants! Do you support Trump

Yeah, and look how well that turned out for the natives.


21ead7 No.5222975

>>5221824

Please god, this. Without government subsidies I cannot afford the pills I need to live and they're trying to make it illegal to import them from Canada under a lower price. If we could get them in at a lower price, there would be competition. It costs about $700 USD a month if I was to pay current American market prices.


0efd6d No.5222981

>>5222898

>cousin is mega faggot

>his faggotry knows no bounds

>spent a whole 3 hours arguing little baby Tray Tray back when the zimzam trial happened

>I post something about Trump yesterday

>he comes out in full support of Trump

>watch him go on a rampage today talking about Marco being a closet homo

He also proved the theory that gay people can sniff out their own because he said he knew Rubio takes dick since the first time he saw him.


1b7a16 No.5222984

File: 1456981675888.jpg (81.39 KB, 720x540, 4:3, barryGoldwater.jpg)


8c95e6 No.5222985

>>5222642

I'm pretty sure most people on /pol/ are paleocons now.

In the name of Trump, Iron Ann and the Holy Buchanan, amen.


cd464e No.5222990

>>5222960

>founded on illegal immigrants

>subjects of the British Crown emigrating to a British colony under a charter


46eb18 No.5222991

>>5222985

Nah, large group are national socialist.


0efd6d No.5223011

>>5222985

I think we're something new entirely. We're an enigma to the GOPe and they can't figure out what we are. Yet they send their shills here often. They might be trying to figure us out. Do we even know what the hell we are anymore?


46eb18 No.5223028

>>5223011

*Nationalist Libertarians*


4754ef No.5223033

>>5221886

>mfw i have $1600 in savings

FUCK YOU /POL/, YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK!


f0fcd1 No.5223044


8c95e6 No.5223050

>>5223011

We sound exactly like paleocons… except we aren't federalist… for the most part:

>Paleoconservatism (paleocons) is an anti-communist right wing movement based in the United States that stresses tradition, civil society, federalism, family, religious, regional, national and European identity. Prominent paleocon Chilton Williamson Jr. (of Chronicles) wrote that "Paleoconservatism is the expression of rootedness: a sense of place and of history, a sense of self derived from forebears, kin, and culture—an identity that is both collective and personal." Samuel Francis, a leading paleoconservative, stressed that "genetic endowments" of Europeans were the root of the civilization created by European and that European civilization cannot be transmitted to non-Europeans. Third School Conservatism makes European Folk identity the main focus of paleoconservatism.

>Paleoconservatives in the 21st century often focus on their points of disagreement with neoconservatives, especially on issues like immigration, affirmative action, foreign wars, and welfare. They also criticize social democracy, which some refer to as the therapeutic managerial state, the welfare-warfare state or polite totalitarianism. They see themselves as the legitimate heir to the American conservative tradition.


22fce7 No.5223051

>>5222985

different political ideologies are better in certain circumstances ( some ideologies are never good, mind you ). For example, if the world was literally 100% white, no jews nor dysgenic breeding patterns, we would be quite libertarian though probably not ancap.

National Socialism was absolutely necessary in Germany at the time it gained popularity…would it be the best thing for America right now? The filth and treachery probably warrants it but good luck instituting it in a 55-60% white country. People have to understand that Nat Socialism is a wartime ideology and not necessarily the eternal ideal government for Europeans.


e59a0e No.5223053

my main criticism with the plan is that he has previously stated that you can't be denied for a pre-existing condition. Now, if anyone even thinks rationally for a second about insurance and buying insurance for thing after thing already happened and expecting cash should realize its stupid. You don't buy fire insurance after your house catches on fire.

Why people get irrational about it is the fault of the healthcare industry inflating prices to incredible amounts because everybody has insurance. Health care costs would drop dramatically if insurance companies bargained better (but they don't do that because low priced doctors mean insurance isn't as important to buy and so the two industries circle jerk each other until the prices explode). I hope, for the sake of the American people, that increasing competition between insurance companies helps counteract this. If there was one thing I'd add to Trumps plan is that I'd reduce regulation on non doctor medical professionals. When you have gonorrhea (or something) you don't need a doctor, you need antibiotics, and pharmacists can sell that just fine and it would go a long way to reducing the frequency of doctor visits.


5431b5 No.5223054

>>5223011

I feel I'm somewhere mixed between paleocon, natsoc, and fascist. Can't really tell where I stand tbh


72cd2b No.5223060

>>5222991

>Nah, large group are national socialist

I honestly dont see how they can be like that, one of the central points of NatSoc is its economic policies. Such economic policies if you described them to someone unfamiliar with NatSoc would be seen as Keynesian.

Keynesian economics has ruined the western world with its bullshit and if Germany had won WW2 it would probably had fallen into economic ruin a few decades later like the west did after adopting similar economic policies.

>>5223033

I have $25k, probably going to take it out and buy a whole lot of silver bullion soon considering its very undervalued compared to gold and both are undervalued because of the credit bubble.


1b7a16 No.5223063

File: 1456982295595-0.jpg (37.04 KB, 956x144, 239:36, polWhatIsIt.jpg)

File: 1456982295635-1.png (119.98 KB, 1146x551, 1146:551, whyPollWorks.png)

>>5223011

>Do we even know what the hell we are anymore?

something new

hive mind isn't far off


4754ef No.5223067

>>5223060

Don't spend all your savings on one investment, that's an absolutely terrible idea.


d8d919 No.5223074

>>5221886

>tfw $4,000 dollars in my bank account

>tfw I owe nothing to no one, not even university

Suck my average sized, uncircumcised knob, you filthy fucking causals


f1f7dd No.5223084

File: 1456982519571.jpg (53.78 KB, 700x576, 175:144, areyouwizard.jpg)

>tfw you don't really know shit about health insurance and other grown up stuff like this because you are a NEET

It sounds pretty good I think.


72cd2b No.5223088

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>5223067

I wasn't looking to spend all of it on silver (or even all of it on investments), but a lot of it will be 1oz silver coins.


46eb18 No.5223093

>>5223033

>>5223074

>Every year for Christmas my grandmother gives me 500 dollars and my Grandfather gives me 2000


46eb18 No.5223098

>>5223093

don't know why i green texted it.


5431b5 No.5223101

>>5223060

One of the problems with the west's economic policies that Germany didn't have was debt-based currency. You see, when western governments want to stimulate the economy and create "growth", they have to borrow money from private banks at interest. It's this interest that results in the economic ruin and the accumulation of enslaving debt. In NatSoc Germany, the government had full control over the money supply and would inject it into the economy in the form of work projects or the likes. As the money was "labour based" instead of debt based, it did not carry the same strings that our current monetary system does.


5431b5 No.5223105

>>5223093

Can I have your grandparents, anon?


e59a0e No.5223121

>>5223093

Well, I'm 22 and was raised by a destitute family (by unfortunate circumstances)

I owe 5000 dollars for student loans and have 1000 in the bank which I am slowly converting to metals for futures. Basically I'm gambling that my silver will explode in value and I'll pay debts cough greece and have extra left over. (amounts are in cuckistany loonies)


585af3 No.5223123

File: 1456982791531.jpg (440 KB, 1550x864, 775:432, DyingCiv.jpg)

>>5222900

>it gives me an idea how shit normalfags opinions are about politics.

I saw a girl I knew at the caucus yesterday and asked her who she was voting for. She couldn't remember his name (It was El Rato). She thought I was crazy for voting Trump though.


1da11b No.5223129

>>5223121

I'm the same bud. Silver is my hope, got over 4000 in Silver and just hoping it goes up.


d8d919 No.5223134

>>5222405

>/leftypol/

>libertarian

How fucking dumb do you think we are, Chaim? God damn.

>>5222851

kek'd at this

>>5223093

>getting fat wads of money from relatives and immediate family

Don't I wish


46eb18 No.5223138

>>5223101

Yep that is one of the good things, but I have always needed to ask

How does a labor based currency get established?

Is it like, "Everyone, this dollar is worth one hour of labor from anyone, if you refuse to do labor for the cost of $1 you will be taken to court."


1b7a16 No.5223139

>>5223101

>As the money was "labour based" instead of debt based, it did not carry the same strings that our current monetary system does.

the money wasn't labour based, it was on loan from the government. they loaned it to themselves at 0% interest. governments can do this as long as there isn't a private bank involved. America was originally set up this way, but the bankers eventually found a weak leader and got Wilson to sign the Federal Reserve Act


89ebc7 No.5223140

>>5222405

low effort troll/shill


f828c7 No.5223158

>Have to keep the government out of the free market for health care, they can't just come in because prices are to high!

>Government intervened in the heath care market 100 years ago because prices were to low.

It's not a "free market" when government already shat in the pool. It's been a toilet thanks to government for our lifetimes.

Ironic that a damn real estate mongol is the only one wanting to turn it back into a pool.


46eb18 No.5223162

>>5223121

Im 22 also, and I owe nothing because I didn't need a student loan.

My father started a college fund for me like 6 years before I was born.

I love my dad.

>>5223134

It is nice how much the love me.

But to be fair it is frowned upon for me to just blow it on something, I have never spent more then 100 on it for something at once, so it all goes into a bank account.


72cd2b No.5223163

>>5223101

>debt-based currency

Doesnt matter if its debt-based or labor-based, its all fiat.

Currency must be back by something of intrinsic value in order for things to not get out of hand. Gold, silver, platnum, etc.


895a41 No.5223170

>7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

I sure hope he bans drugs that are made in certain countries, such as china

>2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

I guess he could make a government-ran health insurance company, if you could even call it that, if all the other significantly large ones in america are part of a cartel, which would be evidenced by the prices not dropping


f1f7dd No.5223175

>>5223158

>Ironic that a damn real estate mongol is the only one wanting to turn it back into a pool.

People on the left think of this as Trump trying to change the rules so that he can make more profit, but they overlook the fact that the best person to fix the system is someone who has lived and breathed the system his whole life. Trump knows the ins and outs of all this shit and he knows what changes need to be made to fix it.


e59a0e No.5223201

>>5223170

The Trumps could probably start their own insurance company, undercut everyone and make mad bank. Would be good for some laughs (and healthcare).


8ff01c No.5223202

File: 1456983317635.webm (3.91 MB, 300x214, 150:107, Humanity restored! You li….webm)

>>5222734

>Trump makes health a prime issue

>Creates the Trump Youth

>Dress code for girls is a girly dress, dress code for boys is tank-top and shorts

>No more children are exposed to transgender bullshit, gender binary is enforced

>Common Filth can finally do something (anything) other than post vinemarathons


895a41 No.5223204

>>5223170

even better, actually

he could just put a tarriff on drugs made in china instead of banning them so they cost as much as U.S. drugs


f828c7 No.5223213

>>5223163

Why not people? They have an intrinsic value.

Death keeps the inflation problem down at the most basic capitalist level. He does it free.

>>5223175

Yea they can't stand it. It's like watching an old building decay. They go, well it's been decaying for my entire lifetime. Let let it keep decaying.

But that confederate monument that was maintained and well kept by their descendants needs to change. Because it's the current year.


e03a12 No.5223221

>>5221712

So basically his platform is "insurance companies are slimy, greedy rat fucks who should be castrated and you should be able to shop doctors by price".

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY BASED

WE LODGE PRACTICE AGAIN


c801ab No.5223255

>>5222132

Medicare and Medicaid will be bankrupt by 2025, and there is no stopping that from happening.

They’ll be bankrupt sooner if the global economy crashes (which they’ll do as soon as Trump’s in office).

I’m not as worried about gibsmedats anymore. The day of reckoning will come.


18c9a8 No.5223269

>>5223163

Are you implying that gold has intrinsic value but labor does not.

you are and you are a faggot


464971 No.5223272

SPREAD THIS AROUND


420dbf No.5223293

>>5223163

>Labor-based currency isn't something of intrinsic value

Oven dodgers itt


e59a0e No.5223323

>>5223269

are you implying you can proof pure labour?

are you implying you can set the price of labour by central planning?

which labour do you back it on?

why that one?

if you chpse that one can you pay a worker in that job less or more than the pre-approved price?

what happens when some technological breakthrough occurs and that particular job becomes radically easier and less time consuming and you get rampant inflation?

Gold is nice because as long as mining gold stays relatively difficult and making new gold with atomic collisions is cost inefficient you don't have any problems.


46eb18 No.5223339

>>5223293

I'm open to it I just want an explanation.


72b4d2 No.5223343

File: 1456984160841.jpg (244.07 KB, 425x617, 425:617, oddball.jpg)

>>5222900

>have friend posting the occasional anti-Trump vid on facebook

>will call him a racist, bigoted asshole in the post, concede that he may not be so bad when I argue with him, then next day it's the same old thing

>Super Tuesday

>He has posted at least a dozen anti-Trump articles and videos today alone

>freaking out in the comments, literally cannot even

>mfw

Anger is the third stage.


47a903 No.5223415

File: 1456984649588.jpg (210.64 KB, 700x454, 350:227, Obamadontcare.jpg)

>>5221712

>Step 1. Completely repeal Obamacare.

AAAAAaaaaand, I'm already on board.


18c9a8 No.5223494

>>5223323

>proof pure labour?

Sorry Mr. Rothschild but humans are in fact intrinsically valuable.


e59a0e No.5223513

>>5223494

>jose's gardening is just as valuable as craigs

sorry Mr. Marx but not everybody has the same productivity.


47a903 No.5223527

>>5223415

"Obama-Cares…. about the profit margin of the health insurance companies who gave him all of that MONEY to buy airtime, to convince voters to vote for him."


e61e59 No.5223542

>>5222985

>I'm pretty sure most people on /pol/ are paleocons now.

I dunno about that, but I am at least. Buchanan and Paul have had an enormous impact on me, along with Trump.


e57195 No.5223553

File: 1456985500631.jpg (28 KB, 285x350, 57:70, 1453623357449-2.jpg)

>>5221991

Do the ol' bait and switch. Copy/Paste it as Bagel Boy's plan and when it gets a decent number of likes reveal that it's Trump's. This might only really work on FB though.


e59a0e No.5223567

>>5223513

>>5223494

furthermore you aren't selling people, you're selling the shit they do. Gold can be objectively measured in purity but you can't objectively measure an entire profession and end up with a single answer. People are not the same, nor should they be.


6e7d78 No.5223568

>>5221723

Rato accuses Trump of shit he does it's disgusting anyone would vote for that piece of shit.


471d0a No.5223597

This actually sounds really, really good (if you're not part of the health insurance industry, that is).


e64205 No.5223652

File: 1456986042178.jpg (50.31 KB, 537x859, 537:859, 1452097161575.jpg)

>>5221712

Pretty fukkin neato tbh.


125c35 No.5223833

File: 1456987475656.jpg (49.57 KB, 800x619, 800:619, img.jpg)


5fdfdf No.5223908

>>5222598

HOLD ME ANON, THE EMPEROR CROSSES ALL LINES WITHOUT A SHIT GIVEN.

THE HERO OF AMERICA, MAY HIS REIGN BE TRUE AND ETERNAL!

All these 12 year old faggots spergging over MUH MEME-WORDS, fail to understand that #1 was the bait for the uneducated masses.

>7

THIS IS SHUT DOWN THE FED LEVEL RHETORIC

THIS IS BUILD THE TITANIC TO OFF 3 PEOPLE BIG

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!


4d444e No.5224382

>>5221991

What was he saying about the US military being marxistised?


47a903 No.5224452

>>5224382

Basic infiltration tactics.

Top down "Cleansing" approach.

Works the same in most all organizations infiltrated.

Political pressure being the most likely candidate here.


f7854c No.5224769

>>5221712

Note that by saying foreign he means European, not counterfeit pills in china…

In the US most of the European pharmaceuticals barely have a presence if any due to what is protectionism 101, a collusion between the US state and the US pharmaceutical companies (which in turn aren't getting much international sales because they simply can't handle the competition, nearly all the big pharma are European) through the FDA to drive the prices up.

Then you add the fact that the EU states did forces their industry to make generics for older products… and you get the result that you can have the same exact drugs are up to 70% cheaper in Europe to what they are in the US.

Which also help to understand how the most EU state can pay for healthcare, when the drugs cost less than 1/3 of what they cost in the US…


7f7b87 No.5225314

>>5222943

We can only hope. Carson is so chill, he'll make sure we have what we need.


ebde44 No.5225559

bump


65227f No.5225627

>>5223011

We are traditionalist radical centrists.

Not that anybody ever understands what that means.


62a6e8 No.5225639

>>5222222

WHERE


be8996 No.5225664

>>5222405

I hate both lolbergs and leftards but that's not the case.


d89771 No.5225690

File: 1457006895027.jpg (158.95 KB, 692x960, 173:240, desensitized.jpg)

>>5225627

This, but you can just shorten that down to nationalist. It's basically what it is and people will recognize it easier, even if they have a knee-jerk reaction to it. Also, it's better to shorten what you call yourself so it doesn't look like you're trying to come off as a special snowflake.


475f88 No.5225760

>>5222642

National socialism was never hostile to internal free enterprise, only against free trade policies which allow foreign and transnational interests to dominate the national economy, particularly vital sectors.

Also, I dont think an of us are fundamentalists towards NatSoc, we're more cafeteria rightists who pick and choose the worthwhile aspects of various right wing ideologies: NatSoc, fascism, paleoconservatism, reactioary traditionalism, each has worthwhile aspects that can be taken and worked into a uniquely /pol/ syncretism.


eaa997 No.5225800

>>5222642

This whole "Trump is a Nazi" thing is a meme. Nobody here ACTUALLY believes he's a national socialist, even though it's fun to make comics about it.


475f88 No.5225827

>>5223170

>I guess he could make a government-ran health insurance company

I've always liked the idea of an independent, government-monitored national health insurance provider, a semi-public option to compete against the private for-profit insurers.


923c8b No.5225909

>>5223170

>government-ran health insurance company

Almost as bad as a national bank.


7a6df5 No.5225928

>>5225909

It not being profit motivated is a good thing in this case because the "costs" that private health insurance companies want to reduce amount to you and your treatments.


65ca64 No.5225966

>>5222907

What? News to me.

t. Swiss

But all the other stuff is true: Mandatory, single-defined, multi-corps, nationwide or cantonal, as the corp wants or cans, catalogue transparent, generics optional,but strongly advised (in expensive cases mandatory).


c568e4 No.5226248

That's not very Nationalist tbh. Free Market bullshit is something I don't want to hear regarding health care for our people.


f46d67 No.5226389

File: 1457013489104.jpg (167.59 KB, 900x900, 1:1, photo2.jpg)

>>5223415

I was on Obamacare.

Previous insurance (Indemnity plan)

ER copay $50

Deductible $2000

Monthly $476

Dental plan $35

Obamacare (BCBS)

ER copay $500

Deductible $5000

Monthly $550

Dental plan $55

You get fined yearly for not having obamacare, it starts at $300 or so and goes all the way up to $1500 yearly. Say bye bye to your refund.


f838ea No.5226394

File: 1457013558507.jpg (242.67 KB, 1620x1079, 1620:1079, Astrokitty.jpg)

>>5221712

Works for me.

Nothing fancy, just common-sense healthcare solutions for America.

Still some outliers that need addressing, but it covers the vast majority of situations.

I expect that this scheme will evolve over the next decade or so to accommodate some significant coming changes in medicine, but the framework will be much the same as laid out here.


4e420f No.5226427

>>5226389

You can say you had trouble finding a job or that there were no plans suited to you in the marketplace. I've dodged Obongocare and the tax hike twice now.


ddcd1a No.5226581

>>5222759

What is the blemish on his American flag pin?


fc46f6 No.5226608

>>5223060

>One of the central points of NatSoc is its economic policies.

No, it isn't. You don't know shit about it, friend.

>Keynesian economics has ruined the western world with its bullshit and if Germany had won WW2 it would probably had fallen into economic ruin a few decades later like the west did after adopting similar economic policies.

First off, NatSoc economic system has proven to be the most stable and bulletproof at that time. Germany got from being a whorehouse of Europe to a world superpower in just a few years, economy was stable and growing despite almost all

Western world boycotting and sanctioning the exports of their goods and it survived a war against the whole Capitalist and Communist world for six years.

Not to mention that the whole point of this war was to destroy the NatSoc economic system which threatened to expand to other country and destroy the international banking power of the Jewish elite. If it would be a Keynesian economic system,

the allies wouldn't try to enforce the war so quickly now would they?

It's funny how the only people who attack National Socialism, attack one of its most objectively and historically proven successes that being its economical system.

It just proves that people like that know little to nothing about National Socialism as a whole and the history of WW2. I have never seen anyone here address any weakness of National Socialism or make a compelling argument against the Ideology.


a6d447 No.5226639

>>5221712

This is the best health insurance plan I have seen


e89b31 No.5226724

>>5226608

> its most objectively and historically proven successes that being its economical system.

The NS economic policies cannot be properly evaluated historically. The Nazi's simply didn't last long enough for us to gather information on the long term consaquences of their policies and half the time they were in a war economy which greatly skews how industrially successful the policies would appear to be since we can't know if it was the war effort or the policies in and of themselves that promoted the growth in industry.

Taken with the fact that literally any economic system that didn't wantonly print off a billion marks at a time would have rescued germany's economy from the weimar disaster and any revolution that successfully restored political stability would have reassured people in their nations economic stability.

To say that the Nazi economic policy is a proven success isn't that cut and dry because you can't say whether it was the new economic system that created the surge in wealth and industry or simply getting rid of the old economic system that created the surge in wealth and industry.

World War 2 and the fall of the Reich prevent us from getting a good objective look at it's real world consaquences over a prolonged period of time.


4f1a7c No.5226729

>>5221712

sounds good, not even American


883390 No.5226810

>5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

This right here.


57a58c No.5226936

>>5222944

>Fun fact, sidewalks are private in Italy in the suburbs, everyone has their own sidewalk.

>Kind of crazy every home you walk past, the sidewalk changes style, some people have really pretty sidewalks and some people have shitty broken up sidewalks.

>The thing that most sucks, is that if there's a murder on the sidewalk in front of your house, they drag you into court because the murder was on your private property, even though it acts like it's public.

Fun fact, I live in Italian suburb and you're full of shit.


fc46f6 No.5226983

>>5226724

So your whole argument lies in the statement that WW2 and economic system of Germany at that time is poorly documented? That is not the case, there's plenty of written knowledge about what was happening in the WW2 and in Germany at that time.

>The Nazi's simply didn't last long enough for us to gather information on the long term consaquences of their policies

There was a steady economical growth since the NSDAP came to power. Economical plan and its implementation is very well documented and screams success. Nationalized bank and currency based on labour was stable and ever slowly growing, it is a simple

economic model and you don't need to be a genius to project its success. Because the middleman - a private banker was eliminated there is no debt and there is no side effect of inflation/deflation. Again, you didn't read the NSDAP economic programme, you didn't

explore documentation of it being used in practice.

> half the time they were in a war economy which greatly skews how industrially successful the policies would appear

Them being in war half the time shows just how successful and stable it was.

>we can't know if it was the war effort or the policies in and of themselves that promoted the growth in industry.

Oh I see, you believe in the nazi war machine myth? It wouldn't work, its economics 101 and it just proves how little you know about economy in general. You could say that this is what was happening in Soviet Union and look what happened to them.

If Germany would base its economy on military industry it wouldn't have lasted 2 years in a world war.

>Taken with the fact that literally any economic system that didn't wantonly print off a billion marks at a time would have rescued germany's economy from the weimar disaster and any revolution that successfully restored political stability would have reassured people in their nations economic stability.

Wrong again. Germany was in economic prison, their industry was dead and they were hugely indebted, any economical system that would follow compatibility to international finance would fail quickly. That's why NSDAP offered the only solution and managed to get the support they have.

>To say that the Nazi economic policy is a proven success isn't that cut and dry because you can't say whether it was the new economic system that created the surge in wealth and industry or simply getting rid of the old economic system that created the surge in wealth and industry.

Haha, what? You can say with 100% certainty that it was the new economic system which replaced the old one that caused the surge. You really know how to sugar coat stupid statements I'll give you that. Of course the old economic system was to blame for Germany's downfall and of course the

system which replaced it, caused the surge. It's as cut and dry as it gets.

>World War 2 and the fall of the Reich prevent us from getting a good objective look at it's real world consaquences over a prolonged period of time.

What world consequences? You can project the economy steadily rising, it's really simple, it was based on work and goods produced, the way the government regulated it was efficient and really clean.

Anyone who looks into it will laugh at how stupidly we're complicating things because of the fraud of usury in our economic system.

Your whole post consists of statements like this one: "We don't know because they lost and we can't tell if it was this or that etc."


f191bb No.5226992

>>5221712

=Why does he want to Make America Great Again?==


aafe65 No.5226998

This is pretty great and honestly relatively clear enough for anyone.

There is no reason for anyone to hate this plan.


587e98 No.5227019

>>5221712

sounds good. this is what the real people in the Democratic party were fighting for (because it makes sense) but Obama care was not a health care bill, it was a payoff and banker bailout disguised as a healthcare bill.


940b20 No.5227030

>>5222928

gentle ben will be surgeon general my man.


df9f02 No.5227084

File: 1457019718437.jpg (28.54 KB, 564x588, 47:49, trash1.jpg)

>>5221991

9:35 - "Kiss goodbye freedom for homosexuals"

Remember, lots of the people vocally "fighting" the Communists are just a slightly different flavor of Communist, even if they don't realize it. Always listen until the end.


62ecdc No.5227095

File: 1457019821689.jpg (16.47 KB, 494x316, 247:158, funny-fucking-camper-hitle….jpg)

Can some libertarian explain to me why the free market will reduce healthcare costs?

I know competition improves quality but how does it decrease the pricetag?


432be5 No.5227116

>>5223060

>Keynesian economic

The west hasn't used Keynesian economics for decades

We use a neoliberal/composite model that's an unholy amalgamation of everyone's prior theories

plus, all the lolberg economists are kikes


6e6c75 No.5227139

>>5227095

increased competition means that companies should lower their prices in order to gain an advantage over their competitors…in theory


b3f0a7 No.5227146

Allowing premiums to be deducted from tax filings will save the middle and lower income folks thousands. That's fantastic and still allows the individual to participate in the health care market without giving up freedom of choice.


d8075c No.5227152

>>5227095

>company a produces product at high cost and sells it at high cost

>customers complain

>company b pops up and figures out how to produce product at low cost and sells it at a low cost

>company a loses profit and finds another way to produce the product cheaper than company b

>repeat

This isn't really libtard stuff, this is basic economics. The healthcare industry is full of monopolies and no one ever gets a fair plan because of it.


546129 No.5227188

>>5227152

>company a is smarter than company b does one or all of following:

-hires goons to fuck up company b and intimidate employees

-plans hostile takeover of company b

-drives all employees away from company b by promising extra benefits

-enters a partnership with fledging company b because company a made a lot of money selling their expensive product, company b is merged into company a.

Nice broken state you have there.


15ae58 No.5227199

File: 1457020681012.png (1.68 MB, 1354x1348, 677:674, CbyVDzbUsAEqZXZ_orig.png)

>>5222900

>>5223343

Faceberg is the common theme.

It's kike propaganda pumped directly into the minds of unwitting goyim.


b3f0a7 No.5227234

>>5227188

All of that would have to have greater incentives than the profit gained by undercutting the competition. L2Economics


d8075c No.5227267

>>5227188

That's illegal tho :^)

Not in our Jewish state though


546129 No.5227307

>>5227234

No, because these things are sure gain and you don't know if you can streamline a process any more than it already is. Technology costs a lot, generally in millions to hundreds of millions. Streamlining costs a bit less, but it is also quite costly. You also don't know if it's physically possible to improve your technology and even if it is, you don't know if your scientists will have it by tomorrow or two decades from now.

Get Tyrone and niggers to crash the opposition for some free weed and piss beer afterwards and STILL sell your costly shit for the same price. In fact, why not do both. Fuck your opposition AND streamline the process only to still sell it at 100x markup or something. Kikebertarianism is broken beyond belief.

>>5227267

Yes, ideally these practices should be illegal. But kikebertarians have this strange idea that government is evil and shouldn't exist.


b3f0a7 No.5227336

>>5227307

No they aren't. You could end up alienating your customer base by over aggressive business practices towards your competitors causing serious negative attention towards your company, or even boycott, until this is seen as corrected. Being an asshole doesn't always pay off.


546129 No.5227367

>>5227336

>alienating your customer base by overagressive business

Facebook, any bank ever Bank, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Elsevier (one with the journals), Any clothing giant using massive slave labor in Asia, Any supermarket selling non-local produce, any pharmaceutical industry giant, car industry giants beg to differ.


b3f0a7 No.5227402

>>5227367

So you list off a bunch of industries literally protected by the current governmental system from being allowed to suffer, like the banks or the auto industry, for their shitty business practices and expect me to believe you know anything about free market principles? PS Apple got a lot of shit from customers for not properly protecting their data and privacy. They switched gears and are now in a fight with the FBI because of it. Apple of 4 years ago would have just unlocked the phone for them no questions asked.


52c1f2 No.5227676

Keynesianism does not work, if it did we'd just have the government hire everybody to dig holes with spoons and have a "great economy". (Kinda like china does with its pointless ghost cities) The end goal of our work force, is the creation of cheap goods and services for our people, not the creation of jobs. The government has every incentive to just get you on the dole, so they lean towards funding pointless jobs. Private companies, who have the profit incentive, should be the only ones investing in stuff, otherwise you risk the spoon scenario.

All you "natsoc" people are left-wing economically-illiterate socialists. And your proposed economic policies just subsidize failure and parasitism.


bf023d No.5227692

>>5221886

>tfw I was about to hit $4000 and my car broke down, my cat died, and then I got hit with the flu

my fault for going to scam artist mechanics but shit, getting back up there, just gonna get my A+, get a higher paying job, and then keep my balance up


000000 No.5227726

>>5227095

The same way it improves quality.

If you have multiple suppliers offering product of similar quality, you choose the cheapest one. Everybody does the same => other suppliers lose customers => are forced to cut prices too (or go bankrupt).

Every supplier has an incentive to undercut others on price, since it will make customers flock to him, at least until the other suppliers keep up. This leads to innovation in cost cutting and (eventually) razor-thin profit margins.

Obviously, suppliers don't like razor-thin profit margins - and the obvious way for them to prevent that (and fuck over their customers) is to collude and fix prices above market equilibrium. However, it only takes one supplier to break away from the cartel to destroy it (customers will flock to his cheaper prices, others will be forced to follow to stay in business). The more suppliers there are, the harder it gets to keep the lid on it. With a large enough number of competing suppliers, it becomes effectively impossible.

This is one of the reasons why big corporations love regulation, and most CEOs are filthy socialists. Regulatory hurdles make it harder to enter a market and lead to consolidation. In the resulting oligopoly it's much easier to keep higher margins, even if compliance makes production costs higher.

>>5227188

You're assuming there's no company c, d, e and z to profit when company a bleeds money on fucking with company b. This scenario is only feasible in an oligopolistic market, even assuming that company a doesn't get crushed by the justice system for (buzzword alert) initiating violence.

>>5227307

>kikebertarians have this strange idea that government is evil and shouldn't exist.

You're mixing up minarchists and anarchists. Most libertarians are the former.


ab8dd0 No.5227763

>>5227726

Very good explanation anon, I see why Trumps plan is good now.


182f55 No.5227830

>>5227307

Apparently you live in a Scorsese movie.


e6bce5 No.5227838

>>5221872

>>5221879

>>5222043

Friendly reminder that the Founding Fathers fit everything they felt was important to found an entire nation onto a single side of a single page, and it only took them a week of deliberating to manage it.

We need to go back to the system where senators are people who hold jobs, and they just assemble once a year to hash shit out, Jury Duty style.


f01279 No.5227871

>>5227676

>its pointless ghost cities

Those actually have a purpose, a huge portion of Chinese citizens are still rural and the government doesn't want the already established cities from being more overrun than they already are, so they set these up in advance to relocate the rural populations to


87d30d No.5227888

In other words, his handlers released a plan.

Notice he can never coherently explain the arguments on his web site or his books. That's because he DID NOT write them.

This is worse than Cheney's puppet, Dubya.


000000 No.5228015

>>5222003

Even coming from that viewpoint, the Trump plan is a significant reduction in government intervention compared to the status quo. You can always work on cutting it further after that plan is passed.


ac2b35 No.5228139

>>5223028

nah fuck that, libertarians are nihilists


000000 No.5228259

>>5227676

>>5227871

This.

There's still hundreds of millions of people who live in Chinese countryside, and most of that population will eventually migrate to cities (as it happened in first world countries). This migration occurs in waves, depending on (somewhat predictable) government policies and (completely unpredictable) market pressures.

Now, the scale of those migration waves is simply humongous. We're talking about many millions of people moving per year. More than the entire shitskin invasion in Europe. And when it happens, those people need a place to live.

Obviously, these migration waves are unpredictable. You can't know when the next one will happen, or how large it will be. So what are the options for the Chinese to prepare?

If they build too much, they get expensive but otherwise harmless ghost cities.

If they build too little, they get sprawling slums around existing cities, with attendant crime, disease and potential unrest.

Obviously, the Chinese gov't would rather err on the side of "too much".


52c1f2 No.5228285

>>5228139

There's nothing nihilistic about understanding how efficient the free market is. If we want the most effective industries in the world, we need to choose the free market system.

You shouldn't get caught up on all the autistic libertarians who apply the philosophy so deeply to their personal lives. Libertarians don't have to be that way. Would you be happy if we called it free-market-nationalism?


000000 No.5228361

>>5228139

That's a category error.

Nihilism is about a goal in life (or rather, lack of it).

Libertarianism is about methods to achieve whatever goals people have in their lives.

These are completely orthogonal ideologies.


a2cc8a No.5228383

>>5228285

Free-market patriotism

Normies will gobble it up.


f01279 No.5228413

>>5228285

>the autistic libertarians

too many people get caught up with the label of being a libertarian, not sure why that is, might be an effect of "special snowflakeism" in our culture, or the idea that you have to be libertarian to oppose the government

For example, this whole "national libertarian" is really just paleoconservatism when you get down to brass tacks.


ebde44 No.5231386

>>5228285

American Nationalism


0b3521 No.5232863

As a non-American, I'm not entirely clear on what the current state of your healthcare is, so I obviously won't fully understand how Trump's plan will affect it.

Under Trump's plan, if someone who cannot afford insurance gets severely ill or injured and does not have enough income to cover the cost of treatment, where does the money come from to pay for it?


1329ba No.5233071

>>5222330

No, the reason why libertarianism right now is because of the sheer amount of shitskins and third-world immigration. Libertarianism is viable in all white/all east-Asian countries, but that's about it.


1329ba No.5233080

>>5233071

*cant work right now


040084 No.5243176

bump


040084 No.5258332

bump


823860 No.5258378

>>5221886

>tfw 10K in savings but owe 99K on house and 11K on car :^(

plan looks good to me. not sure why everyone isn't voting trump.

i live like an hour away from UCF campus where Mr. Trump was holding a rally this morning. I found out too late about it though.

My gf told me that there was an event on facebook to 'protest' his rally. fucking college kids… whenever i walk through the union at UCF i get the urge to flip the tables of all the SJW's Jews, etc looking for support.


b25c84 No.5280994

>>5258378

I went to the rally. He really is high energy holy fuck. There were a lot of protesters in the audience that kept interrupting him which irritated me to no end, thank god they were taken care of.


20fc27 No.5287339

Bump. He's got the best plan for health care.


20fc27 No.5291521

bumping again


35e35a No.5291545

This mother fucker gets it in one fucking sentence. I am glad i am voting for him.

>1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.


59bcc7 No.5291576

>Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

Big Pharma monopoly on suicide watch


661542 No.5291610

>>4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

My brothers been doing hsa. Every year he has to pay hilariouse tax rates for his hsa but his company won't do regular health insurance; this year it was 5k. He could basically comfortably live the next decade in a hospital bead though.


6ef42c No.5291948

Can I get a tldr on what he's going to do and why he's doing it


6e6c75 No.5291997

>>5232863

>someone who cannot afford insurance

medicaid/medicare


7db4ce No.5292143

>>5222952

>A national socialist who believes in free markets, is 99% of the way to being a nationalist libertarian.

There is no such thing as a nationalist libertarian. Nationalism is the anti thesis of free market capitalism.

And as for natsocs and the free market, Hitler didn't ban private ownership. He restricted the market till it served Germany's interests.

That's what Trump is doing here. He's manipulating the market to serve the USA's interests. Same concept.


7db4ce No.5292205

>>5227307

>But kikebertarians have this strange idea that government is evil and shouldn't exist.

You're thinking of anarchocapitalists, not libertarians.


7db4ce No.5292214

>>5291610

Well that's why there's the tax free part right?


c67eb3 No.5292689

>>5223323

Yeah, except gold is fucking deflationary, for an expanding economy you need new money to keep the money/value ratio the same, and gold is far more useful when it's being used for things other than sitting in a bank.

>>5225760

>cafeteria rightists

Did you coin this? Because I think it's good.

>>5226608

It did well in its ten-year trial period, but ten years isn't very long.

>>5227307

>But kikebertarians have this strange idea that government is evil and shouldn't exist.

You know they aren't anarchists, right?

>>5227367

Deep down, people don't really care about foreigners, friendo. If them, their family, and their friends are the ones getting fucked you can bet your ass they'll be boycotted real quick.


5a86ec No.5292973

File: 1457417288233.png (460.7 KB, 608x552, 76:69, 1446348219706.png)

>>5222165

>States get to decide. That is what is important.

Fucking this. The Confederates should have won.

mfw the good guys will finally win, for the first time in hundreds of years


9d6214 No.5297176

>>5292143

Please stop whining about libertarian-minded nationalists, that's what the majority of white americans are. The capital L libertarians anal Anarcho-Capitalists are a small minority.


6d1510 No.5313428

Talk about Trump's plan with those who don't like Obamacare.

>1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.


01a3a2 No.5318805

>>5297176

libertarians embrace drugs, faggots, trannies, and all matter of degeneracy. this is not the majority of white americans unless you include kikes as white btw kill yourself schlomo


6d1510 No.5324177

>>5318805

Learn how to read idiot, I said libertarian-minded nationalists, not capital L libertardians.


6d1510 No.5343251

gentle bump


c801ab No.5343283

>>5343251

Why, motherfucker? Not that it isn’t important, but you added nothing. Trump really needs to get on his other positions, too. There’s a lot more I want to hear.


6d1510 No.5372810

>>5343283

>Why, motherfucker?

Why so angry?! There's a lot of crappy threads and I'm keeping a good one alive. Fuck off.


6d1510 No.5399663

last minute bump


6d1510 No.5428216

a pre-emptive bump, the thread could be gone in a few hours


9abe17 No.5431041

>>5222985

This. Enough with the nationalist libertarian meme. What we need to do is take over the Republican Party.


9abe17 No.5431063

>>5223028

>Let's stretch our label as thin as possible!

"Nationalist Libertarian" will never catch on. The best thing we can do is hone the label of Paleoconservative Republican.

>>5223050

>except we aren't federalist

Daily reminder that there would've been literally nothing wrong with federalism if the Rothschilds didn't kike it up with Hamilton.

>>5225627

National socialist* ftfy, but we aren't even that.


9abe17 No.5431069

File: 1458193300070.jpg (37.11 KB, 255x301, 255:301, pat buchanan.jpg)

>>5223054

If you're an American, get on the paleocon train so we can alter the Republican party.


9abe17 No.5431122

>>5228285

If libertarians are against tariffs and for free trade, then no /pol/ack should ever associate themselves with this label. What I like about Republicans is that they have the potential to hit the good points that Libertarians talk about, while still involving the government in important affairs.


7e77be No.5431249

File: 1458194411342.jpg (131.46 KB, 734x760, 367:380, download_20160303_181442.jpg)

I'm at work right now but some /pol/lack should type these up onto a Bernie letter head and have it start making its way around social media. It won't be long before the normies pick it up and run with it without checking the source.

Imagine the salt when they get the big reveal that it was a Trump policy the entire time.


6d1510 No.5452218

Just in case it would have been gone tomorrow morning. Everyone who doesn't like Obamacare needs to hear about Trump's plan.


2c5dfd No.5452280

File: 1458350833844.png (2.83 KB, 196x206, 98:103, shekel.png)

>>5221817

yfw golden dawn's logo is an inverted shekel symbol


eefeed No.5452333

Honestly…it's meh as fuck but better than what the yankee doodles have right now.


76254b No.5453945

File: 1458360922835.jpg (52.43 KB, 363x363, 1:1, 1408040957240 (1).jpg)

>>5431249

>my face when


754726 No.5453958

>but…but…Trump never gives any details!


754726 No.5453968

>>5222034

There's a theory floating around that he's still alive.


aca106 No.5454012

File: 1458361567095.jpg (29.08 KB, 200x200, 1:1, consider.jpg)


8f812d No.5454110

>>5227084

Hahaha. Are you trying to discredit Yuri? On /pol/? Jesus Christ. He knows how to address an audience, and appeal to their interests. Only an autist wouldn't see that.


4bd9fc No.5454146

>>5222807

Martin Shkreli did nothing wrong.


9abe17 No.5454216

>>5222405

>libertarians = workers of the world unite anarchist faggots

Filtered.


587e98 No.5454321

>>5223011

>>5222985

We Are the Party of KEK

POK

The POK Party


587e98 No.5454376

>>5227095

people generally go for the lower price one if the plan is not too much different

so everyone ends up adjusting their price down to compete, or adds features to their plan to keep it the same price as before to compete against the lower priced one

either way you win


16382a No.5454384

>>5452333

Taking one step at a time, anon.


587e98 No.5454385

>>5431122

Free trade is OK, its a case of they tell us its "Free Trade" but its actually laws written to benefit a few companies and a Giant vacuum sucking money and jobs out of America.


1eb724 No.5454392

File: 1458365187707.jpg (121.51 KB, 1080x810, 4:3, 1456125354864.jpg)

>>5223202

Sauce?


020167 No.5455414

File: 1458375437046.jpg (23 KB, 261x267, 87:89, 1409917111670.jpg)

>>5318805

"We should imprison people because things other people do with their own body fucking trigger me you fucking degenerates"

Just because you feel the need to suck a dick every time you see some faggot walking down the street doesn't mean you have to imprison them, try flirting with one you closeted fucking fairy.

:^)


f2009a No.5455455

>>5221886

>tfw you go with a family member who's buying a car

>the dealer asks them to pay and they pull out 20 grand of 100 dollar bills

>"shieeeeet"


5e02e4 No.5455502

>>5221872

they just don't like Trump

simple as that


f6f968 No.5464277

>>5455414

>things anon didn't say

>if you don't love faggots you must be one yourself

Marxist subverter, pls. At least try to be subtle, it's no fun like this.


fc844b No.5488385

bumping a good thread




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