/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

tl;dr

It's a racial refutation of leftist welfare policies.

Lucky you, I hope you have fun and learn something new OP.

Damn that's a good conference, lucky OP

>>5457752

Thanks, but it could just as easily turn into a shit show. Apparently a bunch of ((professors)) from my uni are going for the sole purpose of trying to argue the guy into submission. But I figure the guy must have some experience with people trying to shit all over him. I hope he puts them in their place.

>>5457788

get a go pro and video that shit post entire thing uncut to youtube that way we can poison the leftist narrative that race is a social construct even further.

but it's very important it its posted in it's entirety with no cuts if theres even a single one they will argue tampering and it will be usless

>>5457697

That's fucked if professors are going to argue with him. Hell we had the Israeli like who came up with the 12 state plan(also something about raping Muslim's into submission) come to my uni, and sure there was a little heated discussion with him but not disruptive. Already he shut a bitch down when she started talking about imperialism.

BTW I only heard about his talk because of my Arabic professor(what you don't want to learn the enemy's language) because the poli sci dept wasn't allowed to advertise the event.

On the plus side me and my professor had a good laugh about him the next day, it's really liberating when you can say like upfront of a professor.

>>5457919

Kike not like, fucking mobile auto-correct.

>>5457919

>what you don't want to learn the enemy's language

You don't need to know what a guy's saying to shoot him.

>>5457919

>12-state plan

What?

>>5457697

This is pretty funny, that anyone is going to protest Murray. He and (((Herrnstein))) go out of their way to say that nogs aren't inferior people and what needs to be done isn't eugenics but rather social reintegration between high and lower IQ populations, and Murray has since gone full cuckservative to avoid being called racist. Leftists stop at the premise that intelligence is largely heritable (which is true) and conclude that Murray wants to gas their retarded pets (not that that would be a bad idea).

The book itself is well done and worth reading.

>>5458113

>Leftists stop at the premise that intelligence is largely heritable

Don't modern (((leftists))) believe that intelligence is a social construct shaped 100% by the way they are raised?

When Murray first published the book he was subjugated to the finest shitstorms the liberal establishment could muster. He'll know how to deal with their objections, what you have to worry about is some "student activist" with no interest in discussion, just an opportunity for conspicuous outrage shouting him down.

>>5458113

The more he seems to downplay the importance race part of the study, and the more the cultural marxists make a shit storm over "discredited fascist racist studies", it makes the latter look so absurd.

I think I might go and attend this thing. I'll try to film it for you guys.

>>5457697

As far as I know libshits have never really been able to discredit the work, they essentially just say its racist and thus wrong without proving anything.

>>5457868

You should really do this, I'd love to watch.

>>5458014

>largely discredited work

There it is. No citations, no explanations of how its been discredited. If you a prog ever tries to pull this on you, make them explain how its been disproven. Odds are they won't be able to.

And yeah, universities aren't even close to being the 'marketplace of ideas' people try to sell them as. Professors and staff are biased as fuck and have zero impartiality.

Some idiot at my school posted a 'threat' along the lines of 'niggers need to die lol' on Yik Yak (an 'anonymous' public chat forum) and got busted by the police for it. When he was charged with disturbing the peace, university staff (not students) organized a march because they wanted him locked up for domestic terrorism or some shit.

>>5458149

That does seem to be a common interpretation. In my experience, there's also just a lot of confusion and ignorance around IQ. Intro-psychology classes tend to equivocate about it, saying IQ may or not be the best measure of intelligence and doesn't adequately take into account various more specific categories of intelligence, and that intelligence isn't wholly genetic in origin. All of those are fine statements, but serve to give people who are ideologically opposed to racism room to discard IQ wherever it conflicts with their feelings.

>>5458172

Nice. Fingers crossed for hijinks.

How does one respond to the "well, social and environmental background…" line of defense?

>>5458301

>they essentially just say its racist and thus wrong without proving anything

This

>>5458352

If you look at SAT scores, niggers will score worse then whites when compared on their own economic group. Level of family income does seem to influence SAT scores (or is it intelligence that influences income?) but regardless of that, blacks will still score worse when compared with their own income level.

>>5458352

Minnesota trans-racial adoption study.

Black children scored below the birth-children of the adoptive parents.

Adoptees with 2 black parents scored lower than adoptees of interracial (white/black) couples.

Trans- racial adoptees whose biological mothers were white or Asian continued to have higher IQ test performance than those whose biological mothers were black.

Black/interracial adoptees with a white or Asian biological mother experienced greater IQ decline than adoptees with a black biological mother.

The biological offsprings' average class rank was almost 10 percentile points higher than that of the white adoptees, whose average class rank was 13 percentile points higher than that of the black/interracial adoptees. Similarly, the biological offsprings' average high-school GPA was 0.22 points higher than that of the white adoptees, whose average high-school GPA was 0.5 points higher than that of the black/interracial adoptees.

And so on.

>>5457976

I'm searching up his name(Mordecai something) and sources for it now. Basically turn that plot of land into something similar to the emirates with each tribe(Jew, Muslim, dursa, ect) having an area that functions like a city-state while acting as a whole on the international scale.

It's an interesting idea, with the whole thing boiling down to Muslim's being tribal, like jew's aren't.

>>5458682

And then they will just have to infiltrate their equivalent of their federal government, and also plant some friendly advisors near the leaders of every city state. Smart.

>>5457697

I've read both The Bell Curve and Murray's more recent Coming Apart. He probably won't want to talk about race, since the latter book is only about white Americans, specifically the self-perpetuating and increasing cultural disconnect between the smart/educated/rich and the dull/uneducated/poor, especially the fact that the former form stable, healthy families (which produce successful, if few, children) while the latter no longer get or stay married, leading to social breakdown. I think he focused on whites because race was a distraction from what he was really interested in, "Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life". A good scientist tries to isolate variables.

The most interesting thing I took away from The Bell Curve (which, again, I don't think he'll want to talk about) is the "dysgenic effect", whereby the earlier and higher fertility among the unintelligent leads to their severely outbreeding the intelligent. This is a new problem, since it's only recently (post-war period) that we had a system that picked out smart people (including, crucially, women) and got them to spend most of their 20's in school and their 30's working insane hours, not having or raising kids.

I highly suggest you at least skim TBC (it's long, mathy, and somewhat outdated) and read CA, which is short, nontechnical, and fun, and try to come up with a few questions based on what he might talk about. Again, it's unlikely to be race. He wants to be taken seriously by all the elites, left and right, so he pitches his theories in terms of causes of inequality, which they are somewhat rational about, not race, which still triggers people.

>>5458709

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Kedar

That's his wiki, also it's the 8 state plan/solution, sorry about that.

>Rape as weapon against terrorism

kek

>>5458856

smart kike

>>5458856

I think it could work. Although all I want is that the jews there stop kiking around in the world, and nothing can guarantee that.

>>5459145

I mean his 8 states solution. But maybe it would only lead to Israel concentrating solely on Iran, so even more burgers would die in the Middle east.

Do you attend Virginia Tech? If so Charles Murray upcoming appearance was discussed on the latest episode of "Radio Derb".

http://www.vdare.com/radios/radio-derb-kevin-williamson-as-donorist-capitalist-neocon-bad-boy-etc

Charles Murray was interviewed throughout the episode dealing with race of the series "Hjernevask", you should watch it.

The entire series is available here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjernevask

>>5459201

Fuck this guy completely, his stance on America was pretty much "gibs muh shekles or we talk to Russia"

As much as I hate to say it my professor(Moroccan) is bro tier(to me already) some pricks were harassing a couple girls(white American) when we took a trip to casa Blanca. He rocked the biggest ones jaw and stood there staring while all the military students that came behind him waiting for a fight. Needless to say they ran like pusses. Most Muslim's have no respect for women, and this fag I know keeps calling it a feminist religion.

>>5457697

1. dont be a faggot

go to bookzz.org or libge.io or amazon

and read it

2. ask him about genetics affecting behaviour

3. congralute yourself for going to a noncucked university

>>5457697

I thought the bell curve was like a fact of science? What the fuck are people protesting? What is the dude going to speaking about specifically?

>>5458352

A recent large scale adoption study found that the effect on parenting in determining an adopted child's IQ is marginal and inconsistent .

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000889

Here's Dr. James Thompson's take on the study:

>In summary, this is a carefully presented analysis, showing an importantly negative result. The authors go through a number of possible explanations, and here is my immodest account of why they got their results. They had a much better sample than usual. They measured over a longer period than usual, from adolescence to young adulthood, which is when the finished product of family life hits the streets. They did a thorough job, and have shown that an expected effect of parenting was not present. Contrary to all expectation from strong environmentalism, the supposed formative effect of social class and family life does not accumulate: it diminishes as children leave home.

>In the 60s we really thought that socio-economic status was like an artillery shell that fired a shell into the distance. The more wealthy, privileged and powerful the gun, the further the shell was fired (whatever the genetics of the child). It was all those books on the shelves, and the proper use of multisyllabic words at the dinner table that drummed ability into the crania of privileged brats. Take a child, any child, and put them at the dinner table (after a good wash and a medical examination) and by 7 they are on the road to mental adroitness, and by 17 surely ready to rise to the top and triumph over all. However, it turns out that by 17 kids are more like their real parents (whom they may have never met) than their adoptive parents. The “family pushes you forward by environmental means” hypothesis is not supported by the best available data.

http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2014/11/adopt-child-but-discard-illusion.html

The following study have found that genetics are more important in determining school student than environment.

>Genes influence academic ability across all subjects, latest study shows

>Around 60% of differences in GCSE results can be explained by genetic factors, with the same genes responsible for maths, science and the humanities

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/23/genes-influence-academic-ability-across-all-subjects-latest-study-shows

The study was conducted by Robert Plomin. Plomin was interviewed in the Norwegian documentary series "Hjernevask" in the episode "The Parental Effect". Starting at 16:40 if you're not interested in watching the entire episode:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0vbf_hjernevask-brainwashing-in-norway-english-part-2-the-parental-effect_news

The summary of what he stated is this: adopted children show no similarity to their adopted parents in terms of intelligence by the time the child becomes an adult. However, adopted children do show similarity to their biological parents in terms of intelligence, even though they were not raised by them.

This indicates that genetics is more important than environment in determining an individual's IQ.

The following study found no link between school spending and student outcomes:

>Study: No connection between spending, student outcomes

http://watchdog.org/136876/study-school-spending/

>>5459556

The SATs and Race:

>1) On the SAT, kids of rich blacks do worse than kids of poor Asians and poor Whites. After around $20k family income, Asians outscore Whites with the same family income

Source: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/1995-SAT-Income2.png

>2) Blacks are more likely to take SAT preparation courses:

>Blacks and Hispanics are more likely than whites from comparable backgrounds to utilize test preparation. The black-white gap is especially pronounced in the use of high school courses, private courses and private tutors. The Hispanic-white gap is more modest, and is limited to the use of private tutors.

Source: http://people.socsci.tau.ac.il/mu/salon/files/2011/11/Racial_differences_SFJ_89_2_Alon-final.pdf

>3) SAT preparation courses don't seem to increase your score by much (20-40 points)

>First, test prep has only a modest effect on test scores, on the order of 20-40 points combined for a commercial test preparation service. More expensive services such as a private tutor are towards the high of this range, cheaper sources such as a high-school course towards the lower. Buchmann et al., for example, estimate that private tutors increase scores by 37 points while a high school course increases scores by 26 points.

Source:

http://www.stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/141.briggs.pdf

http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/89/2/435.short

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/03/the-sat-test-prep-income-and-race.html

>2008 SAT Scores By Race By Income:

http://www.vdare.com/posts/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income

>Murray in WSJ: “Why the SAT Isn’t a ‘Student Affluence Test’”

http://www.unz.com/isteve/murray-in-wsj-why-the-sat-isnt-a-student-affluence-test/

>Mainstream Science on Intelligence

>Mainstream Science on Intelligence was a public statement issued by a group of academic researchers in fields associated with intelligence testing that claimed to present those findings widely accepted in the expert community. It was originally published in the Wall Street Journal on December 13, 1994 as a response to what the authors viewed as the inaccurate and misleading reports made by the media regarding academic consensus on the results of intelligence research in the wake of the appearance of The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray earlier the same year. It was drafted by professor of psychology Linda Gottfredson, sent to 131 researchers,[1] and signed by 52 university professors specializing in intelligence and related fields, including around one third of the editorial board of the journal Intelligence,[2] in which it was subsequently reprinted in 1997. The 1997 editorial prefaced a special volume of Intelligence with contributions from a wide array of psychologists.

>The letter to the Wall Street Journal set out 25 conclusions:[3]

Some of the conclusions:

>"Intelligence tests are not culturally biased"

>"Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 … indicating genetics plays a bigger role than environment in creating IQ differences"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence

>>5457697

Ask him about IQ and the cultural/social/economic elite. Most of his current research is on the impact of IQ and development-you should get some cool info at the least.

jesus fuck, no wonder America seems to be getting dumber. All the college students are too busy protesting everything instead of actually studying.

Read Linda S Gottfredson's papers too.

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/

She refutes a lot of so-called rebuttals to the bell curve.

Here's an example of one.

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997reviewFischer.pdf

I also like Richard Lynn's book the global bell curve.

>>5458397

>>5459556

>>5458426

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>>5458466

Thank you all, very informative, echo OP's sentiments.

Odd that the cognitive elite today are all egalitarians don't you think….

He's literally just a guy who compiled a list of statistics and analysed it.

>>5461618

Frankfurt school subversives.

>>5459527

They're butthurt because the average IQ for blacks is only 85 but people aren't supposed to be allowed to talk about it.

>>5457697

>Charles Murray

ask him why he dislikes Donald Trump so much:

http://www.vdare.com/posts/taking-on-charles-murray-taking-on-trump

"On facebook and twitter Charles Murray has mounted a continual attack campaign against Donald Trump (and also on his presidential aspirations and its supporters—but, surprisingly, against Trump in an acerbically personal way more than anything else)."

Is it because his employer the AEI >>5291599 doesn't like him?

>>5461697

Meh, I hear about the old bastards a lot from the far-right, but really the modern left owe more to Foucault than Frankfurt. Know the right enemy.

>>5461834

>I wasn't always smart, I was actually very stupid in school … [T]here was a boy who was very attractive who was even stupider than I was. And in order to ingratiate myself with this boy who was very beautiful, I began to do his homework for him—and that's how I became smart, I had to do all this work to just keep ahead of him a little bit, in order to help him. In a sense, all the rest of my life I've been trying to do intellectual things that would attract beautiful boys. ”

>— Michel Foucault, 1983

>Chomsky was stricken with Foucault's total rejection of the possibility of a universal morality, stating "He struck me as completely amoral, I’d never met anyone who was so totally amoral"

Holy shit he really is the embodiment of the left.

Its pretty much bullet-proof; the newest evidence makes his case even stronger.

Ask him why he's against Trump closing up the border to low IQ illegal aliens.

>>5461875

The most feminist teacher I ever had loved Foucault. Had to read a ton of his shit.

God, fuck that class.

>>5461875

Nah, but this is the problem. Foucault was not at all amoral - he was the most conventional, timid, bourgeois moralist there was. Foucault is Nietzsche for pussies. He huffed and puffed about how we're all slaves of mindless social programming simply because he knew a genuine deconstruction of socially-constructed morality would lead to conclusions which would make his fashionable left-wing views retarded. So he compensated for his impotent unoriginality by plagiarizing his greater predecessors and writing poorly researched, pretentiously written and utterly banal sob-stories where useless sermonising replaces any genuine historical analysis and critical thought. This was promptly lapped up by the American left, here was a European they did not even need to Americanise!

>>5461933

Stirner. Stirner is the antidote to all lefty french bollocks.

>>5458397

Source. What institution compiled the information?

>>5462968

They know people are more likely to listen to moderates, so if a moderate is saying bad goy things they go after him hard. People are already conditioned to dismiss Zyklon Ben types, so they don't have to put in the same effort.

>>5458397

V means "female", right?

The one thing I'm skeptical about on that chart is that low-income Asian females score below blacks on the SATs but I guess it may just be an artifact of low sample size of low-income Asian families compared to low-income black families.

>>5462707

>Stirner is the antidote to all lefty french bollocks.

Past your bed time.

>>5457697

>they're going to protest it and probably interrupt it

Interrupt them by punching them in their faces.

>>5458466

>>5458352

>>5458397

>>5459556

>>5459560

The Minnesota study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6872626

>>5463259

>hurr-durr look at maih dank deb8ting skiws autism stronk

>>5459556

Pastebinned. Good post

http://pastebin.com/gtTS3pQW

See if you can round up some volunteers to guard the building's fire alarms. That's what they always go for to ruin these wrong talks.

>>5463581

Thanks.

>>5458397

Actually, now that I think about it, this brings to mind the question of… how the fuck are they in the top income bracket whilst still being so fucking stupid? It's enough to make me feel cheated.

I expect the answer to be "positive discrimination" but I'd actually be surprised if it was. It seems a bit impossible to positively skew Africans towards higher income consistently enough (across every type of industry) to get that. Plus I don't know of any policies that so consistently shove unqualified people higher than they should be — unless AA is more pernicious and widespread than I thought. On the other hand, you'd think a free market would relegate these people to the dustbin even more than they already are there.

>>5468795

ethic subcultures support one another, hence the more tight knit a clan is I suppose the more successful they are and thus the more wealth they have.

you're probably the result of miscegenation.

after reading the fischer review above.

Fischer et. al primarily debunks the bell curve by discrediting the entire field of psychometry through the positing that there is a multiplicity of intelligences that are seperate but equal.

interesting to finally learn where and exactly how subversive this idea originated from. remember this everytime you hear someone say 'well my IQ is high, but I dont take IQ seriously'

is there a refutation out there on multiplicity of intelligence?

>>5469019

no one wants to do the work if they can avoid it, its much easier to be told what to think and know that your peers will support you.

furthermore guns germs and steel is a fucking disgrace that refuses to apply its own theory of geography determining success to geography determining race.

how big a fucking blind spot can you have? the whole book is propaganda.

>>5469032

It also makes the claim that IQ Tests are racist because white men conduct them and invented the test and tries to label what is literally a scientific standard of intellect that can be applied to fucking animals and frames it as Phrenology.

>>5457697

Ask him if he can write a book or short essay on refutation of the idea of multiplicity of intellect

>>5469048

Eh, this is a bait thread. It seems everyone has missed the flurry of "x is coming to my school" threads, they're happening all at once on both 8 & 4 chan.

>>5468960

>you're probably the result of miscegenation

What makes you presume so?

>>5463237

Verbal, I think.

I didn't finish it, read about 70%

It's pretty good.

You should read 'A Troublesome Inheritance', it picks up where this left off. Whereas 'Bell Curve' explained the evidence for intellectual imbalance, 'Troublesome Inheritance' attacks political censorship, gives examples of fraud science used to deny the existence of race, and begins exploring the fact that behavior and societies are reflections of genetic behavior and tendencies.

As 'Bell Curve' struck a knife in the heart of the idea that more money, more effort = more academic achievement, so 'Troublesome Inheritance' takes a scalpel to the idea that liberal Western democracies, prosperity, equality, and low crime can ever be implemented in China, Africa, South America and the Mid East

>>5469148

Forgot to mention, Murray has been championing this book since its release. He'd love to take a question on it if you attend and get the chance to ask him after his lecture.

>>5469077

I presume so because if your family did not betray their traditions and race then you would have grown up with a strong tribal support structure.

this is of course also presuming that your primary

race is from a typically successful white background like German or something.

the presumption is also from my own personal experience, my families were purists on either side until my Greek grandfather married a Spaniard leading to a cutting of ties from the Greek side of our family and thus no support structure.

I apologize if this is not the case.

>>5469040

>jews

>white men

every time

>>5469147

what in absolute fuck

>>5469147

>cherry picking this hard

the one on the left is a starving runt. the belly is only bloated because of starvation like those pictures of starving african kids with huge bellies. cows are much happier when their're well fed.

>>5469161

is there a refutation of https://stanfordcehg.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/echoes-of-the-past-hereditarianism-and-a-troublesome-inheritance/

?

>>5469019

>Academia is claiming that the Bell Curve is wrong but that is how they standardise tests

>>5469174

Farmers would selectively breed cows which were naturally fatter over those with less body weight to increase the amount of meat after each was slaughtered. Did you not learn this in school?

>>5469187

>thinking this is cherry picking

Are that retarded?

http://www.ad-nett.org/cattle_breeding.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_breeding

I found a link for children, might be more your speed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/z6trd2p/revision/3

>>5458149

Yep, I had a psychiatrist professor tell me even aborigines and Sub-Saharan can have 170 IQ if they are raised in West. Stupid bitch also think studying increases your IQ and apparently humans are excluded from evolution because she believes all homo sapiens has same brains.

Ask him about this study

This study shows white children can recognise their reflections in the mirror at 18-24 months of age. Kenyans are not able to typically until 5 years of age.

http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/Journal%20of%20Cross-Cultural%20Psychology-2010-Broesch-%20Cultural%20Variations%20in%20Children%27s%20Mirror%20Self-Recognition.pdf

>>5469336

hahah this, imagine the asshurt if you did this in front of everyone with a microphone

>>5463512

>hurr max stirner

faggot.

>>5458301

Holy shit! Sounds like a mighty fun trolling opportunity!

>install Bluestacks

>spoof your GPS location to some libshit American kikiversity

>sperg out on Yik Yak

>observe the lulz through teh intarwebz

I live in eastern Europe.

>>5458426

Or to rephrase it, blacks are systemically OVERPAID compared to their actual skills

>>5461618

Only the goyim.

>>5468795

Faggot, in America a company that doesn't employ enough niggers at every level gets REKT in courts. Nobody gives a shit whether there are any even barely competent applicants. Either you have the numbers, or you pay six gorillion shekels to Mr. Oyveyberg to settle his class action lawsuit.

Companies will employ every sheboon that throws itself at them, no questions asked. Pretending they're doing actual work is much cheaper than dealing with the courts.

>>5470182

possibly

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347200917007

You run the risk of entering the field of anthropological criminology, a prohibited field due to 'racial profiling.'

You might have a look to see if anyone has done any twin studies on humans.

>>5470182

A world where any child who can't read or write by a certain age is considered a nigger and put to death; image how fast humanity would progress.

>>5470182

The normalfags aren't even hiding their homicidal intentions anymore. I will not feel bad when a beta massacres you faggots again.

bump, cool thread

bump

Ask him to sign your copy.

>>5472311

You left out that they were giant murder cows.

The comparison is like a tiger to a house cat.