57e956 No.5464846
Meritocracy is the only valid system. Any other is doomed to eventual failure.
Such a statement might seem self-evident to many, yet many won't believe it either. These people seem to think it is possible to survive indefinitely on a system where the competent are enslaved by the incompetent. It is not so. Nature itself works this way: In order to survive and to propagate yourself, you must be able to feed yourself and protect yourself from harm. Humans may seem out of reach of the laws of nature, but they are not. Humans must still feed themselves, they must still protect themselves from harm, and all the goods and technologies you see around you had to be made by someone. None of what you see around you merely appeared at your wish. Someone had to think for it, had to put it there for you, even if that person was yourself.
Keeping this in mind, we then understand that in order for society to function, people must work. They must think. They must produce. And the more people work, think and produce, the better society works. And the better society works, the more people are motivated to work, think and produce. It's a virtuous cycle, where one enjoys the product of one's own labor, hence is encouraged to be productive and intelligent.
However, cronyism and nepotism stand in the way of this simplicity.
9ee61a No.5464918
>>5464846
fuck yeah witnessing a beaver thread in the making
dae1a1 No.5464939
>>5464846
can't have meritocracy without eugenics beaver-kun
57e956 No.5464964
Cronyism and nepotism are the idea that people should not be rewarded based on their contribution to society, on their work and intelligence, but rather on who they know, who they're related to, who they're friends with and what they think. A system where efforts and talent are less important than friendships, blood ties and blackmail.
Though not diametrically opposed to meritocracy, it nonetheless interferes with it immensely, as you'd expect. When cronyism and nepotism reign, people quickly become less interested in working and learning, preferring to make the right friends and obtain embarrassing information on people with positions of power to use as blackmail against them. Furthermore, as time passes, those who refuse to participate in this obscene system find themselves destitute. Their hard work and their intelligence do not pay off; instead, what they produce is stolen from them, often at gun point, or at the implication of a gun pointing at them. Furthermore, even those who manage to both be hard working and intelligent yet also have the good friends and family ties quickly become disillusioned, realizing that they are sustaining a system of leeches.
The eventual outcome of such a system is mere logic. You do not need to have the power of divination to see that it is unsustainable, and thus will eventually collapse upon itself as production falls off while the population remains as large as ever. Just because people stop working does not mean that they no longer need to eat and remain safe, and having friends and family will not make that food and safety appear in front of you. Society is doomed.
57e956 No.5465022
And this is my warning to all those who may read and who seek to sustain a system where anything but merit is rewarded: You are working against yourselves. Anything you do to delay the collapse of that system will merely be a sacrifice, a sacrifice of individuals and resources which will no longer be available to you when the inevitable happens and you need to rebuild. And you will run out of things and people to sacrifice eventually, make no mistake. And at that moment, you will face the abyss and it will be too late. You will be swallowed up and out of the darkness you left behind, if there are any left, they will rise up and rebuild out of the rubble you left behind. It has happened before and if you do not change your course, it will happen again.
Understand this: No sustainable system can be anything but a meritocracy of some form. We might disagree on what merit might be, the specifics and the details. But the undeniable fact is that anything else is societal suicide in the long run, something which no one will profit from.
Cronyism and nepotism are the death of human civilization.
57e956 No.5465033
>>5464939
Not without eugenics, no. But eugenics can be passive.
57e956 No.5465070
>>5465022
>to all those who may read this*
Christ.
1b8e11 No.5465161
>>5465022
this only works with specific, quantifiable metrics with which to measure the performance of someone's work, and disregards industries where knowing people and networking are in themselves a huge benefit and merit, such as news sites, corporations, and the military.
also, from a company's or a politician's perspective, knowing people is a merit because it can benefit the company greatly, even at the cost of others, because making money or increasing it's power is all either of these care about.
57e956 No.5465227
>>5465161
Good point, yet I'm talking here of objective measures of merit. The two men who plot together to steal what a farmer produced do not deserve what they will obtain. And as the farmer starves and dies, these two men no longer have anyone to steal from and will also die eventually.
And what these people care about is not making money or obtaining power, but control. They want to be in control. They'd rather control a pile of corpses than be a god among other gods. And they'll get what they want.
9536c9 No.5465292
Is anyone else saving all this?
842eae No.5465308
>>5465227
When does the "right wing samurai squad" come into play?
e596a6 No.5465367
bump so I can read this after work
27a462 No.5465392
1b8e11 No.5465404
>>5465227
the hypothetical men in this scenario already exist as gangsters and politicians, and the farmer doesn't starve. the only ones that succeed, and the ones we observe every day as living large and prospering, are those who steal just enough from the farmer that he doesn't starve, but don't stay their hands enough for him to resist.
as for control, money and power buy it. strategic-level/globalist planning may have ruling over the ashes as their preferred alternative from losing control, ( >>5431181 ) but that option won't be taken so long as there remains a shred of hope that the tax farms won't burn down.
trying again to post
410a34 No.5465438
>>5464846
>Meritocracy is the only valid system. Any other is doomed to eventual failure.
This is all that is needed to be said, frankly. If you need anyone to explain this to you, you are part of the problem.
LET ME POST HW
0b74f1 No.5465453
Would you say that people will be more motivated to produce if it will benefit their children?
The biggest issue I see with this is defining what the atom of a society is. Some would say that it should be the family structure, some say individuals, others could claim it is ethnic.
In a 100% meritocratic society, if your atom is the individual, will children receive the fruits of their parents' labor? I would think not.
Are we bound to those we share genetics with? Are they an extension of ourselves? To some extent I think so.
We will always want to aid those related to us more than those we are not related to. Basically the state would have to intervene with inheritance taxes to prevent this, which could upset those who have done well who wish to maintain their power.
I agree with meritocracy in principle, but some amount of nepotism is an inevitable aspect of our societies because we have different definitions of the self and the other.
f77675 No.5465460
Why does OP feel his basic bitch, capitalism is good thoughts while on the toilet deserve a thread?
You do realize that, society can be ordered any number of ways and what you're talking about (or cunt pasting from somewhere) is a relatively new arrangement yes? Also, people aren't machines. They have preferences, like your bro you went to school with, a white guy, that top qt and that's who you will hire/desire to work with.
>>in order for society to function, people must work. They must think.
Both VERY debatable, but you're a cunt, so go fuck yourself.
20567d No.5465486
>>5464846
>Meritocracy is the only valid system. Any other is doomed to eventual failure
You are making assumptions about the goal of the society. Is it to produce goods and services or to accumulate power?
Meritocracy = goods and services.
Cronyism = power
pick one
7d2ec7 No.5465491
>>5464846
Nepotism is based in genetics and as such is not entirely non-meritocratic. Property, currency, title, and name are very often inherited without an impartial judge assigning everything to whoever in the community, or the country, or the world has done the most to earn it. A coherent society is actually built largely around nepotism and cronyism, with meritocracy only applied some of the time and almost exclusively within particular borders. A nation can be thought of as an extension of the family unit, so just as you might give your son or a brother preference in hiring, you marry a woman of the same race and treat your countrymen better than niggers or other mud people.
>>5465022
Pure meritocracy is impossible without reducing all people to mechanical parts, and as such is undesirable. There would be no such thing as a family, nation, or culture, and not much reason for people to make friends with each other if activity in defiance of meritocracy was something that could be banned.
57e956 No.5465498
>>5465161
I was thinking further on what you said and this came to mind:
It's true that merit is itself somewhat subjective. Who between the doctor and the engineer is more deserving? The doctor who saved the engineer's life? Or the engineer who built the car which allows the doctor to reach people and save lives? We could consider market forces as influencing this, and it's interesting to think that market forces are objective measures, but that those measures are based on what people want and need, and those are themselves subjective.
Either way, regardless of who is more deserving between those two, it is objective to state that both provide a greater service to society than the bureaucrat who got his position because his uncle is a lawyer for a city councilor, who receives the same wage as them yet spends his days inventing unnecessary forms for the doctor and engineer to fill out so as to justify his position, never mind that his wage is paid by the taxes the engineer and doctor pay.
>>5465308
You're gonna have to explain that one to me.
>>5465404
>the only ones that succeed, and the ones we observe every day as living large and prospering, are those who steal just enough from the farmer that he doesn't starve, but don't stay their hands enough for him to resist
And yet in the end they're still working against themselves. Let us take our farmer again, and take the other two men out of the equation. He grows his crop, sells it, and instead of putting money aside to buy fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides next year, he blows it all on, well, whatever he wants. Next year, his crop won't be any better. However, if he hadn't spent that money and instead had kept it for the tools he needed to improve his lot, he would have produced even more. And then he'd have money to buy more land and produce even more.
Now, the system with the two men included is the same as this, but merely more complex. Instead of wasting his money on booze, it is taken by the gangster and politician. And thus, like in the example where he is alone, he does not prosper, and he does not produce more. Thus, we see that the actions of the gangster and the politician, despite allowing the subsistence of the farmer, still greatly hinder the potential production. If your argument was merely that it is theft and that such theft can be sustainable, I'd like to point out that it's only sustainable as long as everything goes according to plan. Imagine that one year there's a drought and there's nothing to steal from the farmer. Or the farmer catches pneumonia and dies. Or anything of the sort. It does not matter than the gangster and the politician left the farmer with enough to survive the other years. He won't that time, and they'll quickly follow after him.
The first sign that society is succumbing to cronyism and nepotism is that harsh winters, droughts and epidemics become devastating. Natural events which used to be surmountable now bring calamity and death.
2c25f1 No.5465505
>>5465022
Now they ticky question remains: What is the right strategy to advance on, realize what you said and maintain the flow or keep doing what should be done.
BUt if you ask me, the system is corrupt to its bones and then you should be corrupt to your bones because otherwise that would be a mistake in judgement. It would be otherwise just prolonging a framework that cannot be sustained. No rhetoric no compassion will make up for it since it is accelerating by the day. THe symptoms are only be treated not the illness in itself.
57e956 No.5465508
>>5465438
Not necessarily. A lot of people believe this out of fatalism. "Things will never improve".
842eae No.5465545
>>5465498
The example you used about the farmers and thieves is the plot to the movie "Seven Samurai. A village of farmer's gives a small amount of food to seven in return for protection from a group of bandits.
7d2ec7 No.5465569
>>5465498
Bureaucrats exist because society and government are complex, the same reason any specialists (doctors and farmers, for instance) exist. Because there's a bureaucracy, the doctor and farmer can rely on the infrastructure around them being fairly organized. The bureaucrat's wages are paid with tax money because the bureaucrat provides a general service to everyone in the community instead of something specific to one person (like a checkup or a truck full of food).
57e956 No.5465592
>>5465438
Not necessarily. A lot of people believe this out of fatalism. "Things will never improve".
>>5465453
Caring for your children is nepotism in the same way that making money from the company you founded and own is embezzlement. Children should not be seen as competitors for the resources you produce but as your project, another thing you produce.
You do bring a good point when you bring up what the "atom" of society is, yet this is a detail. What matters is that a society where those who do not contribute still profit is not functional.
2c25f1 No.5465635
>>5465508
>>5465508
How about you underline your argument with some stats, instead of rhetoric. You point out fatalsim which in itself is a road to advance on but you do not point out a different option.
People are like the retarded boobcarrriers that love smartphones (internet speed) so much, that is pretty much all the last two decades have improved the living conditions. Everything else is cirucmstantial. The aparments didnt get bigger, the houses didnt get bigger. The people are running faster in the hamster wheels. THe new technology is more of threat than a relieve.
THe political "left" is nothing more than controlled opposition to funnel the energies of others into useless bullshit causes.
THey all talk about the "current year" but yet the current year has to be of value. Today the semi intelligent people speak of work-life-blending.
WHat is just another word like "bahnhofzoo" of the fucking retarded berlin hipsters. Those hipsters just take the word, understand it and use it. THey do not understand the source or the context.
Things do not improve, they improve on a sidetrack and then people shape ther perceptional focus on this hipster shit without fully understanding it. These loud mouthed retarded motherfuckers, that try to shape the impinions of even more retarded motherfuckers. Things didnt improve, they just got sidetracked by fucking assholes that are just slightly above the average intelligence.
57e956 No.5465636
>>5465460
>Both VERY debatable
Yeah, find me food and other goods which appear out of thin air because you wished for it, then we'll talk.
>>5465491
Humans are finite beings with a limited lifespan, thus they pass their possessions on when they die, usually to their offsprings, and they try to pass on their values as well.
And I reject the idea that meritocracy means that all individuals become enemies. It's the opposite: Meritocracy means that individuals rely on each other because of their abilities and qualities instead of arbitrary factors.
57e956 No.5465659
>>5465569
Your stating that bureaucrats are necessary is about as relevant to what I said as if I'd said he obtained the title of doctor instead and still got paid despite not taking any patients and you said that doctors are necessary.
57e956 No.5465678
>>5465635
If you think things don't improve, you clearly haven't been paying attention. We don't have time machines, but go back to the medieval times and tell me things weren't any worse back then.
If your point is that things haven't improved in the last few decades, then you'll find no opposition from me, and it's why I wrote what I wrote.
2c25f1 No.5465736
>>5465678
Did i speak of medieval times you dipshit?
I m speaking of the 70s where a single man could maintain a family without his wife having to take a job, hell without even taking both a them a university education. That is why your fucking nation is enslaved, they all take student debts to get a useless degree to maintain a regular life.
No things havent improved since the 70s, they only got worth, and not just in a "I m being comfortable" context but in a social context. THat is what most of you retards do not understand. People are walking faster in the rat race each day to maintain moderate livining conditions giving a social context. You can observe that everywhere in each western civilization. What your father learned was nothing to what you had to learn without gaining any improve ment.
You liberal dipshits and techservants think that you will get anything out of this but for the most part this is not true. THe boobcarriers will get the same or even better education they will get the same or better salaries (and then claim they get less)while at the same time they want men that earn more. Now how are you going to get any boobcarrier with this kind of thought, you wont. This means you are stuck to either a " i lash out" or "I m the beautiful" kind of time which is highly represented on this board if you subrtract the shills.
57e956 No.5465751
>>5465736
>Did i speak of medieval times you dipshit?
No, but your statement implies that the reason things haven't improved since is because things can never improve. That isn't true. They certainly won't improve under the current conditions however.
7d2ec7 No.5465761
>>5465659
Okay, how do you propose merit and its monetary value be assessed? You can make up whatever hypothetical shit you want to match your argument; how do you control the situation properly in general?
>Meritocracy means that individuals rely on each other because of their abilities and qualities instead of arbitrary factors.
Nepotism and cronyism are not activities based on arbitrary factors, though. Relationships between people who do business or politics with each other develop due to the abilities and qualities of those people and the ways they can help each other.
be6711 No.5465803
testing imbedding on 8chan
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2c25f1 No.5465832
>>5465751
No my statement was directed to exactly that: in current times things wont improve, at least for the wast part of the population.And they will not improve unless you fucking retards get your shit together and stop getting sidetracked and attacking your own.
That is the experience i made with people on this board and on cuckchan (with all their psychological driving form whatever they come) they are either bought trolls or fucking lunatic idealogues.
57e956 No.5465864
>>5465761
>Okay, how do you propose merit and its monetary value be assessed?
see >>5465498
>It's true that merit is itself somewhat subjective. Who between the doctor and the engineer is more deserving? The doctor who saved the engineer's life? Or the engineer who built the car which allows the doctor to reach people and save lives? We could consider market forces as influencing this, and it's interesting to think that market forces are objective measures, but that those measures are based on what people want and need, and those are themselves subjective.
>Either way, regardless of who is more deserving between those two, it is objective to state that both provide a greater service to society than the bureaucrat who got his position because his uncle is a lawyer for a city councilor, who receives the same wage as them yet spends his days inventing unnecessary forms for the doctor and engineer to fill out so as to justify his position, never mind that his wage is paid by the taxes the engineer and doctor pay.
Figuring out a metric for merit is not merely complex, it's nigh impossible. But my point here wasn't to try and define such a thing, it was to explain that a system where you are rewarded without contributing is a bad one.
>Relationships between people who do business or politics with each other develop due to the abilities and qualities of those people and the ways they can help each other.
The arbitrary factors I was referring to were blood ties and chance friendships, not work relations or relations of interest. And the abilities of these people do not produce anything; their talent lies in either convincing the productive to give them something they do not deserve or in pointing a gun at them to coerce them into doing it.
7d2ec7 No.5466057
>>5465864
>it was to explain that a system where you are rewarded without contributing is a bad one.
Sure, but because of the complexity, you'll never have a system where there aren't free riders.
>The arbitrary factors I was referring to were blood ties and chance friendships,
Neither of those is arbitrary.
>the abilities of these people do not produce anything; their talent lies in either convincing the productive to give them something they do not deserve or in pointing a gun at them to coerce them into doing it.
Those are two separate problems. Convincing the productive to allow freeloading demonstrates a lack of competent and fair oversight, which itself can become corrupt. Coercion with violence demonstrates inadequate law enforcement or self defense resources, which could be for any number of reasons that might have nothing to do with corrupt government.
Th problem you're trying to get at by talking about cronyism and nepotism is actually the problem of inappropriately applied self-interest in the context of public service. This is not something that can be rooted out in my opinion except by periodic violence, as the problem arises from the characters of individuals within the system rather than from inherent flaws in the structure or nature of government.
57e956 No.5466093
>>5466057
>Sure, but because of the complexity, you'll never have a system where there aren't free riders.
Of course not. But we can agree that a system which favors it is bad.
>Neither of those is arbitrary.
They absolutely are. If you ever operate a business like, say, an automobile manufacturer, if you hire your drunkard cousin to design motors over an engineer, you're going to get the results you deserve.
>The problem you're trying to get at by talking about cronyism and nepotism is actually the problem of inappropriately applied self-interest in the context of public service. This is not something that can be rooted out in my opinion except by periodic violence, as the problem arises from the characters of individuals within the system rather than from inherent flaws in the structure or nature of government.
That would be what I was implying, yes.
2c25f1 No.5466100
>>5466057
>>5466057
>Th problem you're trying to get at by talking about cronyism and nepotism is actually the problem of inappropriately applied self-interest in the context of public service. This is not something that can be rooted out in my opinion except by periodic violence, as the problem arises from the characters of individuals within the system rather than from inherent flaws in the structure or nature of government.
That wouldnt be a problem, the problem is the numbers, the more a system encourages this kind of behaviour (read being a befenficial strategy) the more it would occur.
THe more your system is inherently flawed the more this behaviour will occur.
See the current nature of government, it can only function by deep deception rather than mutual interest. THe more you figure out the deception the less important cooperation becomes unless you rely excatly on the principles like nepotism etc.
ab8ae0 No.5466126
>>5465736
>>5465635
>>5466100
What's with your capitalization?
2c25f1 No.5466178
>>5466126
My caps key is stuck.
7d2ec7 No.5466256
>>5466093
>They absolutely are.
You're wrong. Kinship and friendship are not arbitrary. Kinship can be pretty easily numerically defined and that definition used to predict the level of altruism that can be expected between any two related people. Other factors may come into play, including habitual drunkenness, but it's not a coincidence or necessarily nepotism or, if nepotism, not necessarily bad, that people with similar genetics often enter similar fields of work.
Friendship signals compatibility of temperament and often some kind of material mutualism.
The appointment or involvement of friends or blood relative in inappropriate contexts is not necessarily inappropriate because of the relationship, but rather is bad when the relationship is used as a reason to include someone who is otherwise unqualified. Cronyism and nepotism are symptoms of the presence of corrupt individuals, but are not definitively diagnostic for bad governance.
7d2ec7 No.5466269
>>5466100
>That wouldnt be a problem, the problem is the numbers, the more a system encourages this kind of behaviour (read being a befenficial strategy) the more it would occur.
>THe more your system is inherently flawed the more this behaviour will occur.
conclusion: invest in hemp and twine futures
57e956 No.5466270
>>5466256
Let me rephrase that: They are arbitrary in regards to merit.
76d689 No.5466293
>>5466269
No to be accurate or to make it clear: Be like the jew if that was your point.
BUT: You might ask your friends from sociology or psychology how high level politics play out and how you can write an essay about it without knowing jackshit at all. Because you know, you got a degree at sociology or psychology.
ffddfe No.5466306
>>5465292
As most beaver threads are, this one was shit too.
> meritocracy good
> cronyism bad
I could have saved that faggot a lot of words.
959cac No.5466379
>>5465033
Another option would be voluntary eugenics. For example, offer to pay anyone $200 to be painlessly sterilized. ("Have as much sex as you want, and never need another condom!") There would probably be a significant initial cost, but it would gradually drop off, and the gene pool would be improved dramatically. (It would also quickly solve the problem of hospitals being flooded with pregnant illegal immigrants.)
690b79 No.5466452
You low energy fuckers better have a screencap ready by the time I get home.
85eca2 No.5466506
"Meritocracy" is a load of shit. It goes against human nature and thus can never work in the long run. Favoring those you know and trust is the normal way.
081840 No.5466552
>>5464939
You could if you were seri-
Ever?
690b79 No.5466663
>>5466452
You guys really ARE low energy.
>>5466506
>Associating yourself with and trusting people who don't deserve it
57e956 No.5467015
>>5466663
>Associating yourself with and trusting people who don't deserve it
I think this is the issue in this discussion. Some people seem convinced that helping people or giving them positions when they have the competence/deserve them is the same as cronyism/nepotism, when you give them the help or position regardless of whether they have the competence or deserve it.
7bf09d No.5467679
>>5466506
This is only a problem in a mixed society. In a homogenous civilization, meritocracy of some form is objectively the best cornerstone for civic structure.
You only run into issues of having to trust people who are alien to you when you start trying to blend civilizations.
If you want a civilization where you only have to deal with people you know and can trust personally, what you want isn't a civilization, but a family.
For everything else, the trust is in the society. You trust that it is working correctly, and thus the people who attain their positions can be trusted with them.
To demand a system in which everyone can be known and trusted by you personally is to demand an impossibility. You must have faith in the system. The concern is creating a system worth having faith in.
6ed605 No.5468146
>>5467679
Pretty much. It allows us to overcome Dunbar's number.
000000 No.5469795
>>5466057
>Convincing the productive to allow freeloading demonstrates a lack of competent and fair oversight
I'm trying to think of how a conman conning people (the only scenario I can think of where a person takes the fruits of another's hard work without the use of violence or some kind of threat (explicit or implicit)) can be a demonstration of a lack of competent and fair oversight.
What kind of oversight would prevent the kind of thing being talked about here? What is being talked about here? If it isn't conmen or a band of brutish thugs then what?
57e956 No.5469859
>>5469795
That's exactly what it is: Conmen and thugs. But there are many kinds of cons, and the biggest one ever pulled on people is making them believe that it's their duty to save those who won't save themselves.
b1fb71 No.5469869
Hey Beaver, I'm pretty depressed.
I lack drive in everything I do and feel weak in general. Yet despite this, I'm drawn to it. Why is this?
000000 No.5469880
>>5469869
You've been weak for so long that you've begun to identify with the feelings? I'm not beaver.
000000 No.5469902
>>5469869
I should clarify: You've been weak for so long that you've begun to identify with the feelings of weakness.
57e956 No.5469921
>>5469869
Drawn to what?
And are you depressed or tired/exhausted? The first is a medical condition caused by a neurochemical imbalance, while the second is the natural result of living in a broken system. For the first, seek medical help. For the second, self-improvement is a great path to help you cope. Order a big book on a topic you like from Amazon and read it. Learn it. Start gardening, grow some vegetables and herbs. Get in shape. Get into an art of some kind. Or just go out exploring and traveling, see some shit.
If you're going to say "What's the point?", the point is self-enrichment. It'll make you a better person in the end, and that's something people can never steal from you.
b1fb71 No.5470102
>>5469921
(Excuse my writing, I'm terrible at putting words together. Also sorry about going off topic.)
>Drawn to what?
Mediocrity. Doing nothing. Just simply sitting there flicking back and forth through web pages expecting something exciting to happen, some sort of change. Deep down I know it's futile.
My Grandpa told a story to me about depression. When in a German-run POW camp during WW2 he said:
"Whenever I was depressed I was always forced to march and that helped a lot."
The sad part about that is I'm too weak (mentally) to do simple things like this.
I was going to try and segway this into a question but I'm not sure how to do that. Anyway, do you think the current "establishment" encourages/promotes this behaviour or was this an unforeseen consequence from good intentions?
57e956 No.5470155
>>5470102
Neither. Their intention was that people would work, have the result of their work stolen from them and somehow neither complain or ever feel despair. If you feel "too weak mentally" to even go take a walk, you're likely suffering from actual clinical depression (not the bullshit they diagnose everyone with, but the real thing) and you should see a doctor and maybe get a prescription.
But if you're not sure it's that, try what I said first: Self-improvement. Make things you know they won't be able to steal from you. Don't do it for others or for celebrity either, do it so you know you did something of worth. And if you do something of worth, then you are automatically someone of worth.
b1fb71 No.5470175
>>5470155
>And if you do something of worth, then you are automatically someone of worth.
Never thought of it like that. Thank you. Also I really like your contributions.
>>5469902
I may investigate into this more. Thank you.
5efa12 No.5470179
Introduce a 100% inheritance tax. Use it to fund public schools and institutions.
Reduce or abolish most other taxes. Let people trade freely.
That would ensure the equality of opportunity and inequality of outcome. Everyone starts the same, those more capable and hard working are rewarded more than those incapable and lazy. Combine strong meritocratic state (ruled by the best, not by those most popular) with free market elements, acquire superior society and eliminate kikery in most of it's forms, be it SJW or "free market" capitalism.
Applying this model to different races would also show the obvious superiority of whites, and all muh privilege arguments would be rendered void. This way, they actually have a point, when you see how many subhumans are wealthy just because they come from rich families.
57e956 No.5470185
>>5470179
Could you explain what an inheritance tax is? I'm unfamiliar with the concept.
5efa12 No.5470197
>>5470185
It's quite simple, you don't get anything you didn't earn yourself. People who are against welfare should be quite familiar with the concept.
57e956 No.5470211
>>5470197
And who raises children? If it's their own parents, you've already broken that system. The concept is interesting, but it would require such massive changes that most cultures wouldn't function with it.
959cac No.5470283
>>5470211
And if it's not their parents, it's the government, which would obviously be a bad idea. Giving even part of the responsibility of raising children to the government in the form of public schooling has been an unmitigated disaster; most of the Jews' ability to destroy Western civilization has come from their widespread indoctrination of children.
7d0bb0 No.5470297
>>5470197
That will only make people flee your country.
No family heirloom means no family history.
What you propose is almost communism.
5efa12 No.5470347
>>5470211
You don't gain an unfair advantage over others if your family feeds and clothes you until you are capable enough to do yourself, provided everyone else does too.
Even if there are small differences, they should not be too much of a challenge for capable people. It's major differences that matter, things that are essentially cheating in the game of life, which brings civilization to ruin in the long term when you get too much incapable parasites in power.
>>5470283
What's stopping you from removing Jewish indoctrination and replacing it with something else? Do you feel so inferior to them that you cannot come up with anything else?
What if their parents are not capable of raising children? What if you have a perfectly healthy, capable child, who would be a productive member of society, but it's parents fuck it up with bad upbringing and abuse? Could the "evil state" do anything worse to it?
>>5470297
Family history is written with deeds. You don't remember some merchant who jewed his wealth and gave it to his degenerate children so they can continue jewing, you remember people who made a difference.
>communism
Communism is about equality of outcome, this is quite the opposite. This is fascism/national socialism in it's unjewed form.
Jews benefit from capitalism the most today, just like they benefited from communism when they used it to destroy the power of old dynastic families.
7d0bb0 No.5470390
>>5470347
So if your father had a collection of oldtimers or guns, they are taken by the state, together with his house and anything material.
Then, anything that can't be sold to the new generation will be destroyed, his house as well, because keeping them would mean someone would get an unfair advantage by not having to build his house himself.
You describe a society of annihilation. What use is it to work and become wealthy if you can't give at least some of it to your children? Your society will create a people of egoists, of extreme individualists who only work for their own gain.
46a610 No.5470522
I'm going to present an alternative viewpoint in favor of nepotism. nb4 kike shill
For many thousands of years, business and productivity relied on nepotism. Lifespans were shorter and humanity couldn't afford to have 2/3rds of a life wasted in education. Children learned from the earliest ages the tools and techniques of their parents' trades, whether that be farming, smithing, carpentry, bricklaying, and by the time their parents died, they were at least journeymen in their trade, if not masters.
The Industrial Revolution was the mass dumbing-down of labor needed to produce a product. It was that simple act, not the glories of capitalism the right claims, or the exploitation of the proles that the left derides, that allowed mass production and decreased unit cost. You no longer had the know the hows and whys, just righty-tighty lefty-loosey. The Service Economy only requires being able to say "would you like fries with that?"
For anything up and above basic services, the soft natural education children receive generally makes them more effective workers or managers than formally educated people lacking real-world experience.
Nepotism keeps everything in the family, the most vital unit of society and which has been on the decline in both quality and quantity. The value of large intact and productive families to society as a whole is far more important than the discomfort of the few who broke with tradition and got a formal education outside of their young life experience having trouble finding jobs.
5efa12 No.5470529
>>5470390
That's a strawman. Family heirloom would be excluded unless it's too valuable, then it would be put in some museum, with your family name on it. Again, it's not something that you have earned yourself and that belongs to you. You could have a first right to purchase it back later when you make enough money of your own, if it means that much to you. Houses would be quite cheap in a non-jewified economy where real estate prices are not inflated, so it's not like keeping one would be much of an advantage, unless it's a mansion complex.
People would work hard and try to become wealthy so they could have a big house, an expensive car, a hot gf, or so they can buy their family heirloom back. Some would simply work hard just to improve the society they live in, or to gain glory and social recognition/status. If you let degenerates inherit everything, and create a system where it's practically impossible to become wealthy through skill and honest work, people will be even less motivated to work.
>Your society will create a people of egoists, of extreme individualists who only work for their own gain.
That's exactly the kind of society we have today, and inheritance was never valued so much.
000000 No.5470559
What a retarded way to beat around the bush: How do we solve the core problem of quantifying human capacity?
Nepotism is a valid solution to this problem, since the person you hire has known qualities and is accountable to you. You would rather hire your nephew than some random thug out of the unemployment line, who might be a coke addict with no work ethic.
Meritocracy cannot materialize until you solve this problem. If all credit should come from capability, how do you measure that capability? A central government solution, which really is only the worst form of cronyism possible. Copy the finance system of having rating institutes like S&P which are filled with low-energy idiots who couldn't get a job at the better firms?
Until comprehensive brain-scanning is possible, meritocracy isn't possible at all.
7d0bb0 No.5470570
>>5470529
>A hot gf
Women marrying up is nepotism, too.
Every woman must work until she is as rich as her partner.
They can only fornicate with each other, though, and as soon as the child is born, off to the state with it.
Anything else would be nepotism.
Everyone for their own, everyone has to live on his own merits, nobody is allowed to be friends with anyone who is higher in the meritocracy ladder, because that would allow him to get an unfair advantage.
The society you propose is as bleak as it gets, if family is worth nothing anymore.
What, you think heirloom is a new concept? Are you clinically retarded?
5efa12 No.5470581
>>5470522
So it's natural that Jews keep leeching on society, because their parents did, and because it runs in the family?
Modern economy changes too fast, you had many generations in one trade before, while today, people have to change trades even within a single generation because the market demands it.
49b68e No.5470584
>>5465161
>moeshit
Now make that post again and leave the /intl/ shit out of it.
2ebf6c No.5470609
>>5465636
This
Those who are capable should lead and pass on the mantle to the next individual who is nearly identical or close to in values and capability when they are unable to take up the task anymore.
Gauging one based on performance is the best way to assure the survival of the system.
000000 No.5470616
5efa12 No.5470647
>>5470559
You can measure contribution. Contribution gets defined by goals of society and it's values.
You can't apply small business manager thinking to the society as a whole.
Quantification is much easier than it appears to be.
>>5470570
Women just use different qualities than men.
a719b6 No.5470653
gonna drop a redpill real quick
/pol/ is an embarrasment
that you actually listen to this retarded beaver fuck is evidence
you worship hitler, despite the fact that he himself worshipped islam, and when islam gives you an opportunity to convert, you rebuke it.
you are fucking retarded, every one of you.
utopia is bullshit. the concept of utopia is self defeating. a utopia would be eternal, yes? and the very fact that we are not eternal, that our creations and institutions are ever changing, and indeed the laws of physics, entropy itself, guarantees that utopia can never be. you are addicted to this concept of happiness and purpose that is sold to you because you are lonely and having nothing going on in your lives. what does it bring you?
my advice? become stoic nihilists. its a good redpill for those intelligent enough to accept logic. ill probably get a few replies saying "muh defeatism" but its the truth.
you will never, ever, be satisfied, happy, or content. sorry, but thats life.
000000 No.5470730
>>5470647
Give me more details. A central government decides what it values (let's say that they value having women employed for this example). They will give you awards on your "citizen score sheet" if you hire women in your small business.
Next, they decide that giving high salary to persons of jewish descent is desirable, due to historic injustices. You now have to give your employees of the jewish descent a raise, or your score on the citizen score sheet will deterioate.
How is this in any way an improvement of the current system? Having more government micro-management does not improve anything.
000000 No.5470767
>>5466057
>(…) cronyism and nepotism is actually the problem of inappropriately applied self-interest in the context of public service. This is not something that can be rooted out in my opinion except by periodic violence, as the problem arises from the characters of individuals within the system rather than from inherent flaws in the structure or nature of government.
NO.
The "characters of individuals within the system" stem directly from the very nature of government as a monopoly on violence and coercion. Basically, any government-like entity attracts to its ranks the worst kind of shitheads who'd love to abuse it for their own benefit - and promotes them to the top. This is unavoidable and the only way I see to mitigate it is to cut down the government to a bare minimum.
cb2f4a No.5470926
>>5464846
Thank you based beaver. I made this jpeg to easily share your information.
55e461 No.5471041
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>>5470584
>Frankenfran
>moeshit
It's horror/gore manga of only the highest caliber, plebeian.
1a963f No.5471342
>>5470653
Here's a blue pill: you're projecting.
Nobody worships Hitler, Islam is a joke, not everyone is retarded. You don't know anybody behind the computer screens here, and you don't know which opinions are real and which are trolling/cointelpro/shilling.
Your thoughts about utopia are misled by your ideas of the laws of physics and entropy; partial falsehoods trying to usurp the place of truth. You brought up happiness, so it sounds like you who is 'addicted to the concept' – but nobody should need your advice considering you said it's impossible, and the advice of a malcontent never registers as intended. So much for being a stoic nihilist; you sound agonised.
You can be happy, but you aren't. Sounds like you're trying to talk the talk but not walk the walk. Hold yourself up, Spring is coming, don't dwell on 'your' or my unhappiness – just make like Hitler and worship the moon Goddess Allah, or get smarter.
0a1183 No.5471569
>>5471342
Why would people be happy if they don't or can't live correctly. We have utopia; it exists, but other people make it hell.
55e461 No.5471749
>>5471342
>Nobody worships Hitler
I think you're wrong about that. People started doing it ironically, but it's gone on long enough that people on this board have started doing it unironically and legitimately think he was some sort of supergenius messiah figure.
101245 No.5472598
>>5471749
So it's an idealistic version of Hitler. Not the figure.
As with Jesus, Aurelius and other great figures throughout the years. It's the legend, the stories, the best version they want to be themselves projected onto a historical figure.
0a1183 No.5474984
>>5471342
maybe he's projecting but he's not wrong, happiness is almost unobtainable, and where people dwell on fleeting pleasures, property and status, happiness has no security. It comes and goes but it stays with those who live(d) purposefully, but living purposefully trapped and packed into a maze; where evil becomes a solace, is impossible. There is no guarantee of escaping the maze, and staying in the maze impels one to be bad. The last purpose remaining there is Simon's who resisted and waited for release on the column, his happiness the last one left.
008cdc No.5475056
>>5464939
>can't have meritocracy without eugenics beaver-kun
Meritocracy is a kind of eugenics. The talented and fit take positions of power, thus claim social status, thus claim mating rights.
1a963f No.5475154
>>5475056
reminder that your father claimed mating rights with your mother, and while many had mating rights that were stronger, your mother was a laughable choice for them. She was only fit for a man of your father's position being the inferior in social status, talent and raw human material that she was, which you are a result of.
1a963f No.5475191
>>5475154
yo momma's such an inferior choice of mating material that it's a world wonder how you were born
57e956 No.5475524
>>5470522
You seem to think that human societies don't form units larger than families. They do, and nepotism is harmful to them. The importance of the family unit does not warrant disrupting society unless you think the dark ages were a great time.
>>5470559
If you would rather hire your idiot nephew than some engineer to do an engineer's job, you're a goddam fool. If you think that's so great, come to Quebec some day, check out our collapsing overpasses, our crumbling bridges and our ruined buildings. When a job needs to get done, you need people with the skills, and if you try and have someone without the skills do the job, well, it won't get done.
>>5470529
I'm reminded of the innu communities of northern Quebec who have a fairly unusual way of raising their children. Parents do not care for their biological children; instead, the whole community cares for all the children. Kids move around from house to house and they're all required to listen to their elders equally. Children don't have a home, or rather, they do: It's the entire village.
Of course, such a system isn't possible in anything but a very small community, but it's interesting nonetheless.
06b08b No.5475592
>>5464846
WITNESSED
Thankyou for another insightful post. Keep it up. this is great.
7aa6c3 No.5476009
>>5466379
That only works if the people lining up for sterilization are the ones with poor genes.
7aa6c3 No.5476258
>>5470347
This just creates a system that discourages the majority of people from creating anything that lasts longer than they would. Also, under your system, gift-giving of any form would be considered the enabling of parasitism. Taking a system that for the most part works and bringing it to its logical extreme is not guaranteed to create a system that works better. As a general rule, the place to stop is around the point where the system stops working in favor of human nature and starts working against it.
000000 No.5477204
632523 No.5479803
>>5479494
Bumping for beaverposter. Also, go die in a fire trannie
aac053 No.5481498
>>5479803
>go die in a fire
Nope.
>trannie
Also nope.
Saged again. We don't need petty e-drama and identity cultivation like OP is trying to bring. I wish he'd just adopt a trip so I could permanently filter him.
3c8fce No.5481514
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57e956 No.5481585
>>5476258
>Also, under your system, gift-giving of any form would be considered the enabling of parasitism.
Reminds me of Ayn Rand who wrote such a way of thought into Atlas Shrugged. In "Atlantis", there was no such thing as a gift. You had to pay for everything, even if it was merely a token amount. The idea was that if you don't pay, then you don't recognize the worth of what is being given to you, and thus the worth of the people who provided it.