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2d911f No.5483277
Can Pol add some info on Sociobiology? I am curious as to why there is not more discussion on Sociobiology. It is one of the greatest tools we have to justify our views regarding ethnocentrism, ethnic nepotism, etc.
14c1a6 No.5483317
I don't know much about it myself, but Jack Donovan wrote a very interesting chapter about it in The Way of Men in a chapter called The Bonobo Masturbation Society.
I recommend seeing if you can find it online. It's quite telling of how modern society has morphed human behavior.
2d911f No.5483409
I did not even think about the Marxists. When the attacks on sociobiology came from Science for the People, the leading radical left group within American science, I was unprepared for a largely ideological argument.[2] It is now clear to me that I was tampering with something fundamental: mythology. Evolutionary theory applied to social systems is an extension of the great Western traditions of scientific materialism. As such, it threatens to transform into testable hypotheses the assumptions about human nature made by some Marxist philosophers. Its first line of evidence is not favorable to those assumptions, insofar as most traditional Marxists cling to a vision of human nature as a relatively unstructured phenomenon swept along by economic forces extraneous to human biology. Marxism and other secular ideologies previously rested secure as unchallenged satrapies of scientific materialism; now they were in danger of being displaced by other, less manageable biological explanations. The remarkably harsh response of Science for the People is an example of what Hans Kung [1976] has called the fully of the theologians.
http://www.sociosite.net/topics/texts/wilson_sociobiology.php
2d911f No.5483417
54133f No.5483419
Sociobiology runs contrary to the myth of equality. Left-wing politics is built upon the foundation of equality. Without equality, the whole current system of governance since the early 20th century ends.
2d911f No.5483496
>>5483419
and this is exactly why Pol needs to have a grasp on evolutionary theory, evolutionary psychology, and sociobiology. With the concepts laid out in these fields, pol types are able to out think the left. Our defense can be based on science and rationale whereas the left will argue "muh feelings". I leave all normies and lefties questioning their belief systems or at least terribly triggered.
f761c4 No.5483515
>>5483277
>I am curious as to why there is not more discussion on Sociobiology
because its basically impossible to make any useful statements about complex social behaviors by referencing genetics. Get over it
2d911f No.5483518
584909 No.5483574
>>5483515
This. Phenotypes and broad behavioural profiles can be explained by heredity, but much individualized behaviour is passed on through epigenetic tags, something not fully understood yet. So whatever people say will be half speculation.
fac4db No.5483586
>>5483277
>Pol
Impossible to take you seriously.
7c2e05 No.5483632
>>5483419
God me thinking.. I wonder if we could pull this off.. Why havent we created a /pol/ university.. complete with irc based e-courses, study groups and assignments?
54133f No.5483642
>>5483496
They'll fall back upon questioning the methodology of any study that runs contrary to their own beliefs and supports their opposition. They'll claim a racist will subconsciously, at best, manipulate data or go looking for data that confirms their preexisting bias.
You know, the typical fanfare of projection that cripples the left's cognitive abilities. You may also note the great deal of irony over how many hoops they will jump through and how far back they will bend in order to contort new information to fit their own narrative.
7c2e05 No.5483662
>>5483586
regardless of the newfaggotry its a good topic for discussion.. Your predilection for unwarranted le sageboat makes you impossible to take seriously.
7c2e05 No.5483675
>>5483642
>questioning the methodology
are there holes in the methodology? Or do you mean they would baselessly question it?
3f2efb No.5483693
>>5483317
jack donovan sucks though
54133f No.5483731
>>5483675
A 0.4 correlation between brain size in cubic centimeters and IQ would not be enough for them. Even though it's only 0.05 away from being a perfect linear correlation. I talked to a retired primary school principle about this and he still refused to accept that intelligence is linked about 90% to biology. Of course, the man spent over 30 years of his life educating children and it would hard for him to accept that his ability to uplift children and change their life by educating them would be a moot endeavor for no small number of low IQ children.
fac4db No.5483742
>>5483662
Yes, let's just turn into reddit. It's not like we value protecting culture around here. If it feels right, do it, right ;^)
It might be an interesting topic, but anyone who is retarded enough to type anything other than /pol/ should be banned for at least a month. Filtering this shit out would also kill a large percentage of shills.
2d911f No.5483850
>>5483675
>>5483742
Can you tell me why typing pol versus /pol/ makes such a difference? Is it confusing?
c26e4f No.5483861
>>5483693
He's a literal faggot and an egalitarian but he makes some good points, at least on the "gang nature" of men and how physical struggle and occasional violence is healthy for manhood.
c26e4f No.5483888
>>5483850
Erosion of culture.
It may seem autistic but it's important in the long term to hold on to these things…
2d911f No.5483908
Tatu Vanhanen extends his ground breaking research undertaken with Richard Lynn in IQ and Global Inequality (2006). Here the analysis is expanded by using more measures of inequality, confirming that three-quarters of global variation in socio-economic inequality is explained by population differences in IQ.
These inequalities exist in basic human conditions: per capita income, the rate of university enrolment, mortality of children under 5 years of age, access to sanitation, and index of democracy.
As IQ is a phenotypic trait, caused by genes (three quarters) and environment (one quarter), Vanhanen concludes that inequality between populations cannot be explained by environmental factors alone. Inequality between populations is largely a by-product of human genetic diversity. Unless we are willing to abolish genetic variation between populations, we should accept a degree of inequality as part and parcel of that variation.
https://archive.org/details/GLOBALINEQUALITYASACONSEQUENCEOFHUMANDIVERSITYANEWTHEORYTESTEDBYEMPIRICALEVIDENCE.TatuVanhanen
a24982 No.5483923
>>5483642
Ah, the Peer Re-Jew scam all over again.
"Gotta gatekeep those ideas, purely in the name of science goyim."
2d911f No.5483970
>>5483888
>>5483888
understood and will follow SOP from now on.
4405bc No.5483974
>>5483861
>Jack Donovan is an egalitarian
What? Really? Didn't get that vibe at all in The Way of Men. Why is he egalitarian?
2d911f No.5484101
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Ethnic Conflicts: Their Biological Roots in Ethnic Nepotism
Tatu Vanhanen
In recent decades ethnic conflict has killed many millions and diminished the lives of many more. In Ethnic Conflicts: Their Biological Roots in Ethnic Nepotism Tatu Vanhanen turns his attention to this vital subject following his ground-breaking studies of democratisation and economic development.
This is a replication on the global stage of his widely cited 1991 study of ethnic conflict in India. It is an evolutionary analysis that combines nuance and quantitative rigor. Vanhanen's starting assumption, that all humans share a common human nature in which nepotism can extend to ethnic kin, is already far ahead of culture-based analyses.
Marshalling data on 176 contemporary societies, Vanhanen finds that 66% of global variation in ethnic conflict is explained by heterogeneity. This is the sort of robust result that comes from using palpable biological variables. There are many other causes of ethnic conflict but none as strong as ethnic diversity. Per capita income, level of human development, and level of democratization explain only between 6% and 16% of variation. Vanhanen concludes that because the predisposition to ethnic nepotism is engraved in the human genome, ethnic conflict will continue into the future.
https://archive.org/details/ETHNICCONFLICTSTheirBiologicalRootsInEthnicNepotism.TatuVanhanen
b8ee4c No.5484167
>>5483908
This Tatu Vanhanen is the father of our pretty cucked former prime minister Matti Vanhanen who's' also going for the next Finnish presidential race.
edf215 No.5484218
>>5483632
Its a thought that has been rattling in my head as well, anon.
77b428 No.5484271
>>5483923
There's nothing wrong with the idea of peer review, things should be scrutinized by your peers its the only intellectually honest way to find truth let people who are your peers in a specialist field rip to shit your methodology and findings and if it still stands then we can build from it to further discover.
Now the system can be abused and thats why we laugh at social sciences.
2d911f No.5484299
>>5483632
>>5484218
Maybe we could use something like Anki for a flashcard system:
http://ankisrs.net
You can share decks via anki for free
https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/
To simplify concepts via mindmaps, my favorite is Xmind:
http://www.xmind.net
2d911f No.5484415
>>5484299
>>5483632
It would be nice to have a week long discussion with a bit of mandatory topic structure. One topic for every week of the year would probably be beneficial for us.
3bcac9 No.5484937
>>5483908
>>5484101
This guy seems like a total shitlord.
How does he get away with this when James Whatson was lynched by the libmob for a single sentence?
pic related: the two books that made me question the matrix
you don't even to argue about specific markers - game theory alone predicts that they would have been found
(note neither book as any explicit /pol/ component - meaning you can safely hand them to liberals)
413210 No.5488895
/pol/ is right again. Redpills right in wikipedia. The "most notable critics" are both jewish and went to harvard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiology
>Criticism, most notably from Richard Lewontin and Stephen Jay Gould, centered on sociobiology's contention that genes play an ultimate role in human behavior and that traits such as aggressiveness can be explained by biology rather than a person's social environment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lewontin
>Lewontin was born in New York City to parents descended from late 19th-century Eastern European Jewish immigrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould
>Stephen Jay Gould was born and raised in the community of Bayside, a neighborhood of the northeastern section of Queens in New York City. His father Leonard was a court stenographer, and his mother Eleanor was an artist whose parents were Jewish immigrants living and working in the city's Garment District.[6]
2d911f No.5489619
The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements
CofC describes how Jewish intellectuals initiated and advanced a number of important intellectual and political movements during the 20th century. I argue that these movements are attempts to alter Western societies in a manner that would neutralize or end anti-Semitism and enhance the prospects for Jewish group continuity either in an overt or in a semi-cryptic manner. Several of these Jewish movements (e.g., the shift in immigration policy favoring non-European peoples) have attempted to weaken the power of their perceived competitors — the European peoples who early in the 20th century had assumed a dominant position not only in their traditional homelands in Europe, but also in the United States, Canada, and Australia. At a theoretical level, these movements are viewed as the outcome of conflicts of interest between Jews and non-Jews in the construction of culture and in various public policy issues. Ultimately, these movements are viewed as the expression of a group evolutionary strategy by Jews in their competition for social, political and cultural dominance with non-Jews.
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books-Preface.html
Here is a link to the book:
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf
2d911f No.5489689
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Łobaczewski adopted the term ponerology, which is derived from the Greek word poneros, from the branch of theology dealing with the study of evil. According to Łobaczewski, all societies vacillate between "happy times" and "unhappy times." During happy times, societies enjoy prosperity and suppress advanced psychological knowledge of psychopathological influence in the corridors of power. Though happy, these times are not necessarily morally advanced as the society's prosperity or happiness may be premised on the oppression of a target group. During unhappy times, the intelligentsia and society at large can recover this specialized knowledge to resolve the social order along mentally healthier lines.
A form of government interesting to ponerologists is one they have called pathocracy, in which individuals with personality disorders (especially psychopathy) occupy positions of power and influence. The result is a totalitarian system characterized by a government turned against its own people. A pathocracy may emerge when a society is insufficiently guarded against the typical and inevitable minority of such abnormal pathology, which Łobaczewski asserts is caused by biology or genetics. He argues that in such cases these individuals infiltrate an institution or state, prevailing moral values are perverted into their opposite, and a coded language like Orwell's doublethink circulates into the mainstream, using paralogic and paramoralism in place of genuine logic and morality.
There are various identifiable stages of pathocracy described by Łobaczewski. Ultimately, each pathocracy is foredoomed because the root of healthy social morality, according to Łobaczewski, is contained in the congenital instinctive infrastructure in the vast majority of the population. While some in the normal population are more susceptible to pathocratic influence, and become its lackeys, the majority instinctively resist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ponerology
Book online
http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf
413210 No.5490700
I have run into this before in some random discussion. It was mind boggling.
It would be a huge redpill to scientists. Denying DNA's effect on emotions and behaviors is essentially denying natural selection exists. Scientists simply don't suspect any conspiracy within science. They stick to their own realm and try to make some contribution.
b80441 No.5491805
Bump, this thread has a lot of interesting info.
d70d0d No.5492121
>>5483277
Sociobiology is basically just part of the HBD movement now. Some of the major players in HBD are interviewed in this Norwegian documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnQPXuU81Q
413210 No.5492268
>>5492121
i like that documentary so far, and especially the strong scandinavian accent.
af4a69 No.5492384
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reminder that >>>/pdfs/ exists and has lots of resources
413210 No.5492392
>>5492121
>>5492268
funny thing about this documentary, it does redpills in the most politically correct way. talks about africans being better in sports, jews being smart
413210 No.5492449
>>5492121
this guy is hilarious
af4a69 No.5494150
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>>5483419
There is no limit to how much your environment can harm you (it can even kill you) but there is a limit to how much it can help you. The ceiling is decided by your genes and this disparity in outcomes will follow a measurable bell curve even under perfect and identical material conditions. This disparity can be immense when comparing genetically distant races.
You can argue that scientifically and if you can get a leftist to accept it most of their beliefs will gradually break down.
624a2e No.5494518
>>5483574
>>5483515
All the more reasons for us to start studying it, free from the political correctness that has impeded science and truth for decades
657639 No.5494786
>>5483908
Uploaded by archiver8841
hahahahahahahahaha
e56796 No.5494927
>>5483277
The field of sociobiology is currently (quite richly) explored under the label of evolutionary psychology.
624a2e No.5494965
>>5494518
>>5483277
I did some digging into anon OP, and you're absolutely right, check out the leading critics of socio biology, pic related, 30 min but worth it.
/pol/ was right again
But seriously, we need to get more truth seekers into this field.
Today OP was not a faggot
657639 No.5494968
>>5492392
Does it mention that kikes can't spaciotemporal? And therefore aren't known for being engineers or other such things?
657639 No.5495039
>>5494150
>>5494150
>There is no limit to how much your environment can harm you (it can even kill you) but there is a limit to how much it can help you. The ceiling is decided by your genes and this disparity in outcomes will follow a measurable bell curve even under perfect and identical material conditions. This disparity can be immense when comparing genetically distant races.
>You can argue that scientifically and if you can get a leftist to accept it most of their beliefs will gradually break down.
And this is precisely why it is morally wrong to adopt mud babies. Hell, it's morally wrong to *adopt*, so long as you are capable of having kids. And don't have ALS/parkinsons/huntingtons at once.
Mud babies will never reach what a baby from your own civilized race can. Should carry your legacy anyway.
af4a69 No.5495079
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>>5494968
I wonder what they feel when looking at art like this? Perhaps they feel revulsion and hatred because it was made by unclean goyim who worship a false prophet. That would explain their promotion of abstract and modern art as an act of mutilation.
I wonder how they would feel if this was demolished by Islamic Fundamentalists?
657639 No.5495092
>>5484101
>>5483908
So how much can these just be handed to normies?
657639 No.5495118
>>5495079
>I wonder what they feel when looking at art like this? Perhaps they feel revulsion and hatred because it was made by unclean goyim who worship a false prophet. That would explain their promotion of abstract and modern art as an act of mutilation.
More like they get to show off their language skills and intelligence. With things like what you posted there is only so much you can analyze and so on before you devolve to trivia. So with modern art, they suddenly are able to go much much further with that.
We can simply admire the achievement wonder and splendor of a work of art such as that.
0056fc No.5495144
>>5489689
>ponerology
That's a lot of hoops to jump through in order to just avoid naming the jew.
f913f4 No.5495155
>>5494927
This.
Evolutionary psychology is a more up-to-date theory than sociobiology. Most evolutionary psychology texts go into the problems with the sociobiology research program (usually in the chapter on the history of evopsych). One of the big problems was that sociobio program generally ignored cognitive mechanisms (both general cognitive psychology and cognitive neuroscience).
73ecb2 No.5495181
Some people doing sociobiology and evolutionary psychology are sloppy about it and tell just-so stories (e.g. Satoshi Kanezawa) but leftists have a totally unhinged reaction to it. It used to be Marxists who were threatened by the possibility that many of the bad things people do are rooted in biology rather than being 100% the product of capitalism. Now it seems like it is more feminists who are threatened by the possibility that there could be biological differences between men and women (aside from the most obvious physical ones) which are what lead them to behave differently rather than this being purely a product of the patriarchy and cultural indoctrination.
0056fc No.5495199
>>5489689
>The original theory and research was conducted by a research group of psychologists and psychiatrists from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and pre-communist Hungary. The group was brought together by Łobaczewski and included Kazimierz Dąbrowski, Stefan Szuman, and Stefan Błachowski, among many other anonymous contributors.
I see. So it was just a way of avoiding naming the jew.
657639 No.5495256
>>5495181
You realize the feminists you're speaking of get their ideology from marxists, right?
0056fc No.5495257
73ecb2 No.5495364
>>5495256
They're related to one another and feminists took a lot of the social construction stuff from Marxism, but if you look at the specifics of what they're saying (or even just look at far left forums) they're not exactly the same. The pure Marxists insist that the real problem is capitalism and tell feminists that all the stuff they don't like is because of it, but the feminists insist it's not just about economic class but also about the patriarchy. These tensions between far left groups are exactly what we should be exploiting by the way.
dcf769 No.5495401
>>5483515
No, it really isn't. There have been plenty of experiments that have been run base on evolutionary principles that have shown the evolutionary principles to be true.
A common one that evolutionary psychologists ref is gift-giving patterns in grandparents.
The grandparent most giving is the maternal grandmother as she has two generations of parental assurance that the grandchild is hers, while the least giving is the paternal grandfather as he has 2 generations of paternity uncertainty separating him from the grandchild.
The field is still expanding and the only real jew influence in it seems to be an unusual aversion to studying group dynamics.
657639 No.5495424
>>5495364
The problem is that while they may battle each other like orcs, the second we show up they instantly form up.
Meanwhile on our side we have Eric Ericcson.
dcf769 No.5495459
>>5495181
Kanazawa is fairly legit, actually. He just rustles some jimmies hard by talking about things like the least/most desired sex/race groups, which are black women and asian men (he is an asian man) which is why he got kicked off of psychology today and that site pretty much went full SJW afterwards.
He's a Japanese autist and everything but a fairly good shitlord.
73ecb2 No.5495486
>>5495424
It's not obvious to me just how unified they really are when the move to fissure them is done properly. Hopefully when Trump starts pivoting for the general election he does it by focusing even more on the economic problems affecting the working and middle classes, so that all Hillary has on her side are obnoxious SJWs insisting screeching that social justice is more important than anything else.
0056fc No.5495519
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>>5489689
http://www.sott.net/article/203026-Lobaczewski-and-the-origins-of-Political-Ponerology
https://archive.is/vOTCz
This dude thought Zbigniew Brzezinski would help him expose the "psychopaths" running the show. This is a classic case of being redpilled, but not being redpilled enough. Poor guy.
af4a69 No.5496029
>>5495659
das rayciss mayne
u ignint
2d911f No.5497235
Hell might actually be other people – at least if you're really smart.
That's the implication of fascinating new research published last month in the British Journal of Psychology. Evolutionary psychologists Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Norman Li of Singapore Management University dig in to the question of what makes a life well-lived. While traditionally the domain of priests, philosophers and novelists, in recent years survey researchers, economists, biologists and scientists have been tackling that question.
Kanazawa and Li theorize that the hunter-gatherer lifestyles of our ancient ancestors form the foundation for what make us happy now. "Situations and circumstances that would have increased our ancestors’ life satisfaction in the ancestral environment may still increase our life satisfaction today," they write.
They use what they call "the savanna theory of happiness" to explain two main findings from an analysis of a large national survey (15,000 respondents) of adults aged 18 to 28.
First, they find that people who live in more densely populated areas tend to report less satisfaction with their life overall. "The higher the population density of the immediate environment, the less happy" the survey respondents said they were. Second, they find that the more social interactions with close friends a person has, the greater their self-reported happiness.
But there was one big exception. For more intelligent people, these correlations were diminished or even reversed.
"The effect of population density on life satisfaction was therefore more than twice as large for low-IQ individuals than for high-IQ individuals," they found. And "more intelligent individuals were actually less satisfied with life if they socialized with their friends more frequently."
Let me repeat that last one: When smart people spend more time with their friends, it makes them less happy.
Now, the broad contours of both findings are largely uncontroversial. A large body of previous research, for instance, has outlined what some have called an "urban-rural happiness gradient." Kanazawa and Li explain: "Residents of rural areas and small towns are happier than those in suburbs, who in turn are happier than those in small central cities, who in turn are happier than those in large central cities."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/18/why-smart-people-are-better-off-with-fewer-friends/
2aa944 No.5497758
79b891 No.5500617
>>5492384
wtf is wrong with the elephants bones in it's front legs? one leg looks normal and the other is all catty-wompus
f2e379 No.5500854
So, is there anyone out there actually active in this field? Or did the kikes shut it down?
413210 No.5500920
>>5494968
No (of course).
Mainly it focused on good things about races, but did spend quite some time on African IQ. It led to some pretty uncomfortable conversations and cuckservatives showing their colors.
They talked to far right and far left so you really see the lefties wanting to SHUT IT DOWN.