/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

This. Leftists say to me we should only deport illegals who commit crimes, but fail to realize the word "illegal" in "illegal alien".

>>5491105

We need a campaign. Make illegal illegal again.

>>5491110

If only you got the get. But almost-quads confirm. We should start to make being in the US against the law a punishable offense.

PUNISHABLE BY== DEATH ==DEPORTATION

>>5491105

because theyre undocumented migrants workers. theyre dreamers, goy! you dont want to say no to these beautiful babies and hard workers doing the jobs americans wont!!

>>5491120

we need some ICE anons to comment about how hard it is to do their job and how handicapped they are by the current administration

>implying all laws are perfect, static and unchanging

>implying there's not judicial debate at all levels

>implying the largest economy in the world (US) doesn't rely on a permanent pool of (illegal) subsistence laborers

Fucking disaffecteds. Every time

>>5491150

you have to go back

>>5491127

I don't get how leftists think saying "No" to people in terms of them being in this country is a bad thing if they didn't do it legally. "BUT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON IMMIGRATION!" Not illegal immigration. Besides, immigrants who got here legally seem to hate illegals with a passion that burns hotter than a few "pizza ovens" in the camps we should send them to.

>>5491160

>We should send them to

By that I mean the illegals. Legal immigrants can stay. They have the right to stay, no less.

>>5491150

>implying teens and nignogs are unable to any of this work when our unemployment rate is as high as ever

All illegals must go, abolish NAFTA and redo deals and apply tariffs.

>>5491150

>>5491150

>implying teens and nignogs are unable to do any of this work when our unemployment rate is as high as ever

All illegals must go, abolish NAFTA and redo trade deals and apply tariffs.

Who is the victim when a illegal immigrant crosses over an imaginary border to do jobs that americans who are fat on welfare wont do?

>>5491150

que pasa pablito?

>>5491110

Now I'm wondering who actually go the quads

>>5491111

>>5491368

Smug anime girl, of course

>>5491317

>implying higher taxes are a good thing

Typical an "alt-right" disaffected that hates freedom if it means he has to work harder to compete and would rather uphold his family's long tradition of assembly line work and truck driving.

>guys we have a problem

>guys /pol/ is doomed

>/pol/ is getting jewed by a jew run candidate jew

Are you making up that overtime to take those paid vacations to madagascar?

>>5491067

Why does the law matter?

The proper argument is that you are being robbed at gun-point to have your wealth redistributed to these invaders. Don't base your argument on law as that just shows you are a sheep.

>>5491448

>implying UNDOCUMENTED workers are eligible to qualify for welfare

>>5491407

>disaffected

LOL IS THIS THE NEW FANNY MAY MAY LOL I WANT TO GET IN ON THESE BANTS LOL DISAFFECTED MORE LIKE DISRESPECTED LOL LIKE WHAT I JUST DID TO YOUR FACE LOL

Reported.

>>5491469

I looked into this. It varies by state. No food stamps in Missouri, but you totes can in Cali.

Also the term undocumented is retarded. Your spice dealer is not an undocumented pharmacist. I prefer the term Israel uses for it's illegal aliens. "Interlopers" This is how they call Eritreans and illegal Arabs.

>>5491469

http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households

>>5491127

I so fucking hate that argument. All they're doing is fucking with the market and preventing the problem from being solved. They're letting the problem fester by sticking a (raping) bandage on it.

How the fuck is the market supposed to create workers to do those jobs if you keep fucking with the supply?

Also, to any leftist spouting this non-sense, say this:

"Oh, so you support slavery then?"

That's exactly what it is. By saying "They do the jobs we don't want to" leftists are implicitly saying that migrants are either A) only good at shitty jobs, making them subhuman by default, or B) only worthy of doing shitty jobs, meaning leftists see them as subhuman.

If any leftist ever says this to you, don't go on the defensive about how shit an argument it is (very) but instead ask them about what they are actually saying. By arguing this leftists agree that beaners are not worthy of the American Dream (which is true, but they obviously don't see that).

>>5491150

Exactly. Current law allowing nonwhites to live within a thousand miles of white people are shit. We need to stop giving our economy false foundations.

>>5491524

It's at the state and/or municipal level as it should be. Advocating anything else is advocating bigger government.

>>5491556

Haha yea

>>5491150

>illegal laborers

>implying illegals pay any kind of taxes

>implying the taxes on 10 cents an hour could even make a a bump in the US economy

>implying they don't send most of their money back home to their families anyway

>>5491469

http://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-98-30

This ones mainly about Mexican Touchdowns (When a female crosses the border illegaly, queefs out her kid and puts up a flag to have Border Patrol cart them off to their new paradise)

>>5491166

>They have the right to stay, no less.

No, they don't. If Congress says I can shoot you in the face unrighteously it's still unrighteous. Letting in nonwhites is treason, and letting them stay is unjust.

>>5491354

Other Americans in that sector who have their pay kept low because you fucked with the supply, potential workers who stay out of the field because of the enforced low rates, literally every real (white) American in the country who suddenly has to give up land to brownies, and anyone starved to death in the inevitable economic collapse brought about by shitty policies, you fucking shill.

>>5491469

>implying the only status needed for welfare collection isn't just "be brown"

>>5491469

Don't be stupid, the US government spends a tremendous amount of tax money on illegal immigrants.

>>5491469

What are anchor babies, Pat?

They're illegally in the country.

The other law they're breaking is unwritten.

>>5491469

You are an idiot.

What is documentation?

A piece of paper with some words written on it.

You act like god himself came down and commanded a green-card exist.

Do you not see how hopelessly indoctrinated you are into doing the bidding of the masters(Jews)?

The heart of the matter(like all injustices) is that FORCE is being initiated against you in the form of confiscating your wealth for others.

>>5491649

You sound like you agree with me. I wasn't talking about god-given importance of documentation, I was talking about the practical matter of logging into www.welfareinfo.org/ and asking for money with no papers (Their motto: Help for US Citizens)

The only wealth confiscation taking place by deporting all the illegal workers is that being confiscated from the workers employer who is benefiting from being able to freely choose to hire cheap labor willing to work. To an employer, employees are a form of wealth, and y'all want to confiscate it. It is not the conservative position.

>>5491693

It's perfectly legitimate to confiscate wealth earned by destroying the nation.

>conservatives

We're not neocons.

>>5491608

>Other Americans in that sector who have their pay kept low because you fucked with the supply

It's called a market.

Unless you want wage propped up artificially high i.e. welfare.

>>5491722

People working productively and paying each other for work isn't "destroying the nation".

>>5491469

lol

>>5491756

>It's called a market.

A rigged market. I bet you think the price of diamonds isn't artificially inflated too.

The price of labor is artificially low and is kept so by continually dumping cheap labor into the market, stopping the price from rising and keeping Americans in poverty by instead spreading that wealth out amongst turds.

Here's what should happen in a free market when there aren't enough people to do various jobs (that people will want to do given enough money):

>demand high, supply low

>wages rise

>workers entering the market see the high wages and do the work accordingly

>supply expands

>wages stabilize at natural point

>no more lack of supply

Here's what happens instead:

>supply low, demand high

>supply is prevented from expanding by taxing Americans in various ways (high entry costs, training costs, legal requirements, expectation of not being a slave, etc.)

>pernicious elements open the door to invaders who work for shit, are totally powerless (being illegal), and willing to do anything

>costs of labor kept artificially low by continuously expanding supply

>supply problem of domestic workers not corrected because there are no market incentives

>market eventually collapses because unlimited workers (let alone nonwhites) is fucking stupid

Congratulations.

>>5491790

>People working productively and paying each other for work isn't "destroying the nation".

Nonwhites undercutting Americans in their own markets is destroying the nation. Which is why we have record unemployment and destroyed families.

Also brown people are shit and destroy the nation by virtue of being around, workers or not.

>>5491806

Lmao. Illegals come from poor countries with way fewer opportunities for education and training. The fact that you are competing for the same wages that they are is… revealing :^)

>>5491837

>The fact that you are competing for the same wages that they are is… revealing :^)

Yeah dude. Fuck poor people. Let's just ignore the fact that they lose by working within the law. Let's just ignore the fact that there is no level playing field. Let's just ignore the fact that economics is subservient to national welfare in any sane society.

I am totally honest when I wish you to lose your job to one of those immigrants you love so much and then to cry when you won't be hired again because it turns out the market isn't so impersonal as you thought.

In short, you are completely naïve.

>>5491853

>no level playing field

>even the poorest Americans are richer than most Mexicans

ok

Yes. Fuck poor people indeed

>>5491649

Your image reads 'What part of Illegal don't you understand?'

Take a moment to question what that statement means.

A group of men got together, wrote on a piece of paper, and now you have a rule or law that you must follow or they come after you with guns and put you in a cage.

Illegal / Immoral have become essentially the same thing in the mind of the jewish-puppet(you).

The law means absolutely nothing. It is literally the command of other men for how you should behave. It absolves you from needing to 'decide what is moral and what is not'.

Ultimately, blindly following the law is just as bad as being a SJW parasite.

>>5491895

I clicked the wrong one.

HOT MEALS AND HANDJOBS FIX YOUR SHIT.

>>5491880

>There's no problem crushing poor Americans so long as they still live mildly better than shitskins

>>>/gaschamber/

>>5491853

>I am totally honest when I wish you to lose your job to one of those immigrants you love so much and then to cry when you won't be hired again because it turns out the market isn't so impersonal as you thought.

I am in a field where the competition for positions is international and there is a high flow of talent across borders (I'm not going to call it "labor") but I literally don't spend any time thinking about it the way you do because I didn't grow up in a degenerate culture of entitlement

>>5491923

>not wanting your countrymen to live like barbarians is entitlement

You're either a Jew or a traitor by this point. No one else is so selfishly obsessed with convincing themselves that as long as they're okay nothing else matters.

You're also either a shill or retardedly naïve if you think domestic workers aren't competitive because "Hehe it's a free market." You're also naïve if you think we have anything close to a free market. Go try to start a small export business and tell me how it goes.

>>5491354

There are plenty of non-obese citizens who could do the work, but when they can get away with it, companies prefer foreigners who by law or policy aren't entitled to the same level of pay or benefits.

>>5491953

>the definition of "free market" means every business started by my countrymen will succeed!

I don't know why you are so enthusiastic about the free market when clearly your isolationist/protectionist impulses are anything but.

If I did care about my "countrymen" I would look to replace low skill/low wage jobs with high skill/high wage jobs that shitskins actually can't compete with. That is the way. Unless you're lazy and/or racist

>>5491806

>socialist economics

lel

>>5491982

Then the government should remove the barrier to employment i.e. minimum wage and compulsory benefits

>>5491982

Clearly one path to a level playing field is to allow legalize more immigrants, not fewer, so that employers have no choice but to pay more for their employees (and will go back to hiring white people because everyone is a bit racist)

>>5492083

PRAY TO YOUR TRUE GOD… THE STATE

>>5492051

>implying you know anything about economics

>implying I'm a socialist

>>5492046

You can't honestly believe that protectionism and the free market are in conflict.

>I would look to replace low skill/low wage jobs with high skill/high wage jobs that shitskins actually can't compete with

And what happens to the low-skill jobs that we need to do to keep our country going? Either they're exported, putting us (probably not you, since you're a rootless internationalist who should probably be deported) at the mercies of foreign powers, or we bring the shitty people to do them here, which gives us high crime and instability. Both of those are shitty ideas. How about instead we go back to what made America great and have Americans do the jobs Americans need?

>If I did care about my "countrymen"

>Unless you're lazy and/or racist

I guarantee you I am absolutely and thoroughly racist, and the fact that you aren't and also seem to think you don't have countrymen further reinforces my belief that you are a traitor. If you hate white people so much go live in a nonwhite country. I'm sure your standard of living won't decline.

>>5492083

>Clearly one path to a level playing field is to allow legalize more immigrants, not fewer, so that employers have no choice but to pay more for their employees

That's contradictory and illogical. If the labor supply expands they'll be able to pay Americans fucking nothing.

>>5491150

You have to go back Jose.

>>5492083

You mean legalize immigrants who will simply leech off the welfare system and vote overwhelmingly leftist? yeah, fuck off.

>>5492101

>probably not you, since you're a rootless internationalist who should probably be deported

Alright, I see what's going on, we are of different social classes, we have different educations and livelihoods and so our political differences are fundamentally unbridgeable (I'm not Jewish, I'm actually fairly antisemitic but only as a matter of taste, not economics)

>>5492175

>Alright, I see what's going on, we are of different social classes, we have different educations and livelihoods and so our political differences are fundamentally unbridgeable

The difference between us is that you don't give a shit about livelihoods being destroyed because yours isn't affected.

And don't worry, I haven't thought you were a Jew for the last few posts. You're clearly just a traitor who likes to sell out his countrymen because it makes him money. A friend of the Jews, that is.

>>5492101

>people competing in a free market

>the price is kept artificially low

yup. socialist economics

>>5492210

>implying the market is free

Yep, retard economics.

>>5492225

>>implying corporations moving manufacturing jobs out of the US isn't a factor

I wasn't at all implying that. I've been called a protectionist in this very thread, after all. I was merely saying the illegal labor is one of many factors fucking over the average American.

I'll disagree with you on metalism though.

>>5492191

>A friend of the Jews, that is.

Yes for business but no Jews in the house!!

>>5492256

Does it really matter when you sell out the country?

>>5492277

Yes. They are annoying as fuck you don't want that shit polluting your quiet space

>>5492311

When you're already shitting up your space what difference does more shit make?

>>5492229

>the market is not free therefore it justifies welfare

yup socialist economics alright

>>5492398

>implying I ever argued for welfare

Because if someone ever says something you disagree with they must believe everything you disagree with, right?

Deporting all nonwhites and closing the US to foreign influence isn't welfare, and if you think it is you should take a very long sleep.

>>5492416

You are asking that somebody is given free money, this is welfare.

just because you call free money 'wage' when you are overpaying the person does not change the substance of what it is.

you are giving somebody free money based on his special group status, in this case being an 'american'. it is no different than giving money to a person for being 'black', 'disabled', 'oppressed', 'womyn' or whichever in vogue label can be applied.

>>5492545

>You are asking that somebody is given free money, this is welfare.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Quote me where I said "We should give people free money."

>just because you call free money 'wage' when you are overpaying the person does not change the substance of what it is.

Oh, okay, so money you work for is free in your mind. The only money you can ever legitimately earn is what internationalist market manipulators toss your way. Good to know.

>you are giving somebody free money based on his special group status, in this case being an 'american'. it is no different than giving money to a person for being 'black', 'disabled', 'oppressed', 'womyn' or whichever in vogue label can be applied.

It would be the same if those groups are equal, but they aren't, and I'm damn well going to keep advocating for Americans to live better than shitskins, regardless of how unfair morons like you think it is.

Get over your worship of money. The economy exists to serve the nation, not the other way around, and as soon as money starts helping shitskins more than Americans it needs to be changed. Go cry about fairness somewhere else while other people succeed in the world instead.

>>5492582

>Quote me where I said "We should give people free money."

>

You want people to be paid higher than they are worth in a free market in the form of restriction on labour competition, this is the same as giving people free money.

>Oh, okay, so money you work for is free in your mind.

When you get more than you are worth because of government created barrier to entry, then yes it's free money.

>rant

lol k

>>5492610

>You want people to be paid higher than they are worth in a free market

A) We don't have a free market, B) Some people are worth more than how a free market would value them. There's nothing wrong with Americans being paid more for the same work than Mexicans.

>in the form of restriction on labour competition

>labour

Brit detected. But seriously, you're retarded if you think that relying strictly on a domestic free market is "restricting labor competition."

>this is the same as giving people free money

No, you're just an equivocating bullshitter.

>When you get more than you are worth because of government created barrier to entry

Barriers called fucking borders?

>no argument

lol k

>>5492661

>A) We don't have a free market,

No thx to you

>B) Some people are worth more than how a free market would value them.

according to whom?

>There's nothing wrong with Americans being paid more for the same work than Mexicans.

why should corporations hire an american to do the same job as a mexican when they have to pay more for it?

>But seriously, you're retarded if you think that relying strictly on a domestic free market is "restricting labor competition."

it is though

>No, you're just an equivocating bullshitter.

yes it is the same

>Barriers called fucking borders?

minimum wage etc.

You need to read a few economic books mister socialist. you do know how to read, right?

>>5492730

>No thx to you

>"We have a free-market. You're just outcompeted. ;^) BUT IT'S YOUR FAULT WE DON'T HAVE A FREE MARKET."

>I like flip-flopping on my positions whenever it suits me rhetorically

This is some next-level retardation.

>according to whom?

You cannot seriously believe that a person's only worth is their economic output. By that logic Soros and Gates are fucking saints, and if you genuinely think they are I urge you to make yourself their personal slave, because that's what they want you to be.

>why should corporations hire an american to do the same job as a mexican when they have to pay more for it?

Because the tariffs will cost more. :^)

But seriously, you cannot be so dense as to think that money is the only good. American society is better functioning when we aren't forcing part of our population to scrounge for pennies with soulless animals. The fact that you want to sentence Americans to that fate so you can profit indicates you're a soulless animal yourself.

>it is though

Nope. Labor competition doesn't extend outside of national borders. Beyond that it's a world of national competition, and to think that that is in any way a competition of labor is beyond stupid.

>yes it is the same

As you being an equivocating bullshitter? I agree. What you said is exactly the same as equivocating bullshit.

>minimum wage etc.

You can't even be bothered to type out your arguments. I bet you'll call outsourced workers "lazy" too.

>You need to read a few economic books mister socialist

It sounds like you're projecting. Are you a bit insecure about the fact that what you advocate brings nothing but ruin, misery, and destruction on a level rivaling that of communism?

>>5492684

But don't you know, anon? Money is the ultimate good and who cares about forcing Americans to work like slaves so lone as profit is up?

Good anons like f5abc0 and 30f727 are here to show us the errors of our nationalist ways! It's 2016, don't you know it's racist to want Americans to live better than Mexicans?

>>5492797

>You cannot seriously believe that a person's only worth is their economic output.

so we should pay people based on how much of a speshul snowflake he is?

top kek

socialist logic

>>5492826

>everything will turn out great if we sell out our nation

Retard logic.

>>5492928

>let's make everything more expensive so 'americans' can be paid more than they are worth even though the money would only come from other americans

>invaders

>illegal aliens

>illegal immigrants

>undocumented immigrants

>undocumented migrant workers

>oppressed minority

>majority

>viva el united states of el mehiko

Where did it all go so wrong?

>>5493124

>let's ignore that everyone lived better when we weren't using slave labor

>>5491150

>disaffected

Kill yourself.

>>5493124

Also:

>implying that savings in labor are passed onto the consumer

>>5493271

>let's ignore than we had less socialism then

>>5493310

>implying it doesnt

>>5493417

Yeah, more protectionism and a freer domestic market. Sounds like exactly what I'm advocating for. What a mystery.

>>5493418

Not only does it not, empirically, but such nonsense doesn't even hold up under theory.

>>5493491

>more protectionism and a freer domestic market.

right after you invent dry water?

>>5491150

You have to go back, Shlomo Silverstein.

>>5493998

>you can't have unregulated domestic trade and regulated international trade

>that's why it's so common everywhere, especially the US for most of its existence and the entirety of its rise to power

You're not even trying anymore.

>>5494191

>strawman

>>5494300

>implying

>>5492225

So if the point of the silver quarters was that you got $15.15, then what is the issue with asking for $15.15 in wages?

I'm confused by what the image is trying to say, since if its advocating constant dollar wages, then the solution is a constant dollar wage, with how the wage is delivered not so much an issue.