No.1245
>mfw libertarians will NEVER ever have roads
No.1249
>mfw libertarians will never have girlfriends
t. libby terran
No.1275
In my region there's an escarpment that runs through the area. Most of the existing road cuts were built by private owners to generate some toll revenue.
So the free market does create roads. It's just that you have to pay directly for their use.
No.1283
>TFW without government there will be no one to ignore the roads.
No.1296
>>1249>posting image from gay comic then talking about how libertarians will never have girlfriendsyes, I realize recognizing it makes me gay too
No.1305
>No firefighters
>No vaccines
>No police
>No public school
So great.
No.1314
>>1305
>No FirefightersPeople can hire people to put out fires relatively easily. They can also purchase fire insurance or, y'know, do it like they used to where the town got together to help put out fires. Firefighters are the result of cities trying to cram too many people into an area they weren't designed for.
>No VaccinesIf anything, the free market makes it more likely for private schools to force vaccinations, not to mention it's dirt cheap when the medical companies are competing/trying to develop better vaccines.
>No PoliceYou're right, they're called private security, they're held accountable for their actions, and you can fire them/hire someone else if you don't like the service provided.
Oh, and…
http://rare.us/story/texas-town-sees-crime-drop-by-almost-two-thirds-after-firing-police-hiring-private-security/
>No public school>Implying that's a bad thing No.1315
>>1314>People can hire people to put out fires relatively easily.No they can't. If my house is on fire and I can't pay for it to be put out and you live next to me then your house is going to burn down too just because I was too poor. Also, who is going to put out forest fires?
>Like they used toYou mean you expect regular people to be able to deal with modern day fires? You serious?
Libertarians know nearly nothing about the system they promote.
No.1316
>>1315You realize the premise of "fire insurance" I was proposing is that the company sends a team to put out the fire. If they fail to provide the service offered, you sue. You also assume that a factory owner for instance wouldn't provide this form of insurance in order to ensure his worker's productivity (it's easier to pay the X amount per month than have to hire on and train a new person, possibly deal with a shitty worker due to their house burning down/their neighbor's houses burning down as well, etc.
Besides, I don't like that tone of yours with the word poor. We have only started to go downhill since moving away from Libertarian philosophy, and our poor in the US live better than 90% of the world.
>You mean you expect regular people to be able to deal with modern day fires?You mean modern day fires aren't less dangerous and more easily controlled than they were in the 1800s when everyone's houses were made of the same wood/we didn't necessarily have access to running water/we all used fire to light our homes? Are you serious?
Just because you can't comprehend the concepts I'm presenting to you and feel the need to insult doesn't mean you know anything about the world and how it has and can work.
No.1318
>>1316> I was proposing is that the company sends a team to put out the fire. Do you understand how fire works? If someone doesn't have fire insurance then the fire will spread to the neighbors and even if you have fire insurance there will still be damages. Also they wont be able to respond to fires nearly as quickly. This is of course not even mentioning the fact that you are edgy enough to believe poor people don't deserve fire protection and forest fires don't deserve to be stopped.
No.1331
>>1318
>If someone doesn't have fire insurance then the fire will spread to the neighborsYou seem to forget than an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If the fire insurance company has to help cover lost items (much like house insurance), they would rather send out their teams to another person's house.
>Also they wont be able to respond to fires nearly as quickly.Do you know what Uber is? If this were true, then why does a Taxi cab or Uber (or hell, a fucking pizza delivery boy) show up faster than a cop or firefighter on the scene? Because the private company has an incentive to do a good job. The moment they know there's a fire (which they'd likely force you to install some sort of fire detector to tell them or have a "call us" requirement), they'd be on the scene far faster than the firefighters (or at the very least in the same amount of time).
>This is of course not even mentioning the fact that you are edgy enough to believe poor people don't deserve fire protectionI believe poor people are kept poor by the state and safety nets such as welfare. The black middle class was on the rise until the government stepped in with welfare in the 70s, effectively degenerating them back down to niggers.
>forest fires don't deserve to be stopped.I'm glad you bring that up, kindly look at the Rocky Mountains and (perhaps more applicable) the Black Hills of South Dakota. As a midwesterner, I'd like to point out that "preventing forest fires" has done more harm to forests than just about anything else. South Dakota now has a wood beetle problem that will likely eliminate 90% of trees in the area and allow them to more easily catch fire. This is because the trees (which should naturally catch fire about every two decades) were protected by the smokey the bear style campaigns. Now you have massive towns built around these beetle-tree-killing hills that will likely burn down one of these days because of forest fire prevention.
Ignoring that for a moment though, keep in mind the tragedy of the commons. It makes sense that these privatized forests would have property owners that would either be capable of dealing with this (their land values would drop dramatically if they don't), or hiring said companies I mentioned before.
No.1332
>>1245>>1315Libertarians are not fucking an-caps you strawmanning faggots
No.1336
>>1331>You seem to forget than an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If the fire insurance company has to help cover lost items (much like house insurance), they would rather send out their teams to another person's house.No they wouldn't because they don't know if it will spread or not. What about forest fires? What about fires in poorer communities? Your system will cause a lot of needless buildings to burn down because they will only care about the places they are paid to protect.
>UberThe difference is that uber is something you call. There is no reason for a citizen seeing your house on fire to call since they don't know what company you have protecting your house.
Oh and lets not forgot that fire fighting is more than just stopping fires, it's also about saving lives anon.
>I believe poor people are kept poor by the stateWell you can believe whatever you want anon. Doesn't make it true and doesn't mean poor people wont be getting their houses burned down.
>We should let forest fires happenDon't be stupid anon.
No.1337
>>1332Apparently not if a libertarian like
>>1331is defending it.
No.1341
>Libertarians have never heard of the Free rider system
Can you people name me a single time where libertarianism has worked?
No.1345
>>1337Nice leet get.
And I don't consider myself a Libertarian. I'm a Paleocon.
I was pointing out that under minarchist philosophy, these are viable means. Regardless of how I feel about them personally.
No.1354
>>1336So first it's the houses are in a poor neighborhood and will catch each other on fire, then it's "no, they don't know so they won't bother!"
Do you even hear yourself? Try to be consistent, kek.
>it's also about saving lives anon.You mean like private sector EMTs?
Anyways, I'm guessing you live in a city and have no idea about what you're talking about with forest firest. Living near Black Forest, Saint Isabella national forest, and the Rocky Mountains, I can tell you flat out that forest fires are needed. They solve more problems then they create.
No.1363
>>1354Do you get it anon? They wont know what fire company you are using so they will be less likely to call.
>Like private sector EMTSYou mean people other than fire fighters. Good job.
>Forest fires are neededWow anon, you sure are smart. I mean who cares about the hundreds of millions of dollars of damages caused by a california forest fire but hurr durr it's ok lets just let everything burn down, poor people don't deserve to have an not on fire house either.
No.1366
>>1354>I don't want to spend a few cents of tax dollars to prevent millions of dollars of damage and save lives because I would rather spend more money on insurance if it means poor people or the environment aren't protected No.1370
>>1363Oh and lets not mention the fact that they will take longer to get to where they need to go since cars wont be required to pull over for them.
No.1375
>>1363Your fetish over poor people is amusing. Seeing as how I fall under what would be classified as "severe poverty" and am living rather comfortably, I don't think you really understand the situation at all and instead are objectifying us as tools towards your own misguided ends.
It's obvious that you don't understand how the private sector works beyond terms like "exploitation," and thinking that altruism doesn't exist when the focus is profits, so I doubt we're going to get anywhere there.
>>1366Per capita the cost of said insurance would actually be cheaper, it would probably be bundled into life insurance or home insurance. This is simply one of many "free market style" solutions. I've simply been defending this one since you were attacking it, faggot.
Not to mention you could have people voluntarily put together a privately owned firefighting company and be paid for by the local community, it would be far cheaper, just like private security is far cheaper than the police, plus, if they do a shitty job you fire them and hire someone else.
Why do you want a monopoly over public works and to hold people at gunpoint for their honestly and hard-earned profits, anon?
>Oh and lets not mention the fact that they will take longer to get to where they need to go since cars wont be required to pull over for them.Are you fucking retarded? What are ambulances, faggot?
No.1385
>>1375>Not wanting people's buildings to burn makes me a fetishistWow anon so cool and not edgy.
>Per capitaYou have no proof of this.
>Not to mention you could have people voluntarily put together a privately owned firefighting company and be paid for by the local communitySo instead of putting your life in the hands of the professionals lets put it into the hands of random people because hurr durr.
>What are ambulancesSomething that you will get tickets for if you don't move out of the way. In a libertard syst
Oh and you still didn't explain how your horrible system would stop wildfire or fires in poorer areas.
No.1389
>>1385Private lifeguards formed from people voluntarily putting together a company, and they do a better job than the ones who just get the governmental license to be a lifeguard. Don't try to pretend that company firefighters wouldn't be professional.
Ambulances are privately owned vehicles, and technically they can't do shit unless it's shown that your interfering lead to the person's death (according to the written laws anyways, at least here in the midwest).
I did answer your question regarding wildfires (privatization of forests) and "poor area" fires (voluntary companies being hired to do the job or insurance). Just because you didn't like my responses doesn't mean they aren't legitimate answers.
That's like saying roads are some magical entity that only the government can make. firefighters, like roads, are dirt fucking cheap compared to the cost of all the bloat government tacks on.
No.1393
>>1389>Private lifeguards formed from people voluntarily putting together a company, and they do a better job than the ones who just get the governmental license to be a lifeguard. Got any source on this? What makes you think every community will be willing to/will have the ability to create a fire deportment?
>I did answer your question with wildfiresBy acting like an idiot and saying they are good.
What makes you think poor areas can afford to create a fire department?
And then your last argument is just a horrible assumption based on your poor libertarian beliefs.
No.1644
lolbergtargayians btfo
No.1651
>>1393>Got any source on this? What makes you think every community will be willing to/will have the ability to create a fire deportment?If they aren't willing to, then it's their risk.
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No.1652
>>1644*lolbergtardgayasians
No.1660
Actually, my mom lives on a private road, and that road actually functions and is cleared and everything by one guy who is paid to do it.
…but I wonder how a lolberg society would deal with highways and such.
No.1668
>>1651Do you think it's that easy for a community to buy a fire station?
No.1672
>>1315Get your city slicking hipster ass out of here because you don't know jack fucking shit.
Out in the country we have a thing called "volunteer fire departments" and they work just fucking fine, and they will continue to be just fine with donations.
No.1675
>>1673Missouri would be so much better off if we just allowed other people to tend the roads. There are bumps all over the fucking place.
No.1677
>>1672>it works for my area so that means it will work for every area because every area can afford a Few fire trucks and those volunteers can totally handle huge forest fires that normally take dozens of people No.1679
>>1677>HUUUUUUR whats training?They don't just take fresh volunteers just like that. They train them first, and they can plan and prepare for larger disasters.
No.1680
>>1679Holy shit you libertardians are dumb.
>Fires that take dozens of people to put out>The cost of a community buying a fire department and fire truckMost volunteer fire fighters work with the city fire department stupid.
No.1681
>>1341anytime before systematic government
No.1682
>>1679Yeah anon, we should just let volunteers do everything. Lets have volunteer police and volunteer military. Lets not care if they are fully funded or have enough people for the job.
No.1683
>>1677You also realize that there are multiple volunteer places per county for fast access right? They will have access to many firetrucks.
No.1684
>>1683>Every community will be able to afford a fire truck because I said so>Every community will be willing to risk their lives for free>Every community will be able to coordinate and take out forest fires despite the fact that pretty much doesn't happen in real lifeI thought you were a libertarian. Not a communist who believes everyone will just do everything for free out of the goodwill of their heart with no financial incentive or backing.
No.1685
>>1683I love how you pretend the other side is sheltered when obviously never saw a big forest fire. There is no way in hell volunteers could do anything about that. Can volunteers get fucking planes and helicopters you idiot?
No.1686
>>1684>>1685Alright you guys win. I'll admit I don't know what I'm talking about.
No.1687
>>1686I-I won an internet argument?
No.1691
Pure anarchists could never be much more than talking monkeys.
However, a very minimal government could provide all the services needed to keep a large civilization running smoothly without impinging much at all on citizens lives.
Even things like policing bad medicine could be handled like class-action civil suits. so, virtually all the government protections, enforced in a voluntary way could be provided by a central government that never forces or coerces anyone except dangerous criminals.
No.1692
The goal is to minimize government not destroy all of its services. It means less regulation not none at all. Freedom, individualism, and choice are also emphasized.
No.1693
No.1699
>>1691>>1692Explain how you will stop children from living on the streets without welfare to help single mothers raising kids and the disabled.