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89339f No.1209

Daily reminder that free speech is valued on /politics/

89339f No.1212

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Freedom of speech is the right to communicate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.


5387e3 No.1243

if there were a way of determining objectively for all posts whether or not they're constructive do you think it would be good to ban them?

there are already two objective standards I can think of:

Examples of shitposting:

* posts (or parts of posts) that contain nothing but 'I agree', 'I disagree', 'this' etc without giving a reason why

* the blatantly, obviously off topic


e0bfc1 No.1275

>>1243

Only the blatantly obviously off-topic.

And I wouldn't ban them unless they break global rules, just autosage the thread and ignore them. Prevents Streisand effect.

At most, the only non-global rule that should be bannable is duplicate threads short ban if intentional like if the other thread was bumplocked so they created a new oneor spammers.


85859c No.1286

>>1275

What about christcucks attempting to derail threads with their constant vitriol and zealotry?


e0bfc1 No.1299

>>1286

Considering I am that "Christcuck" and you've been nothing but rude while I've been civil/laid out my arguments?

I'd say deal with it. Infodumps are meant to e questioned, anon.


338fd5 No.1310

>>1243

>banning "shitposting"

you cant define "shitposting", so it will eventually just become anything mod doesnt like.

see /pol/ for example.


85859c No.1339

>>1299

You started spouting off christian rhetoric that had nothing to do with the thread.

You're fucking cancer and I can see why you've sought refuge here.

You know there's a board that actually gives a shit about what you have to say right?

Go join the rest of the christcucks there instead of derailing threads.


5387e3 No.2131

You could argue that the less moderation there is, the lower the chance of biased censorship


740e79 No.2492

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a29409 No.2496

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>>1212

Freedom to suck dicks in public or generally act like an enormous immoral faggot is not covered under that, or at least such people should be open to public retaliation, free of government involvement.


5387e3 No.2510

>>1310

but there were 2 objective standards in >>1243


338fd5 No.2533

>>2510

I agree with this post.

And now I should be banned according to that guy.


5387e3 No.2570

>>2533

Not banned but your post would be deleted


5387e3 No.2573

>>1212

I would say the freedom to say non-constructive things is not covered under that


338fd5 No.2577

>>2570

rulecucks smh


5387e3 No.2587

not a proper argument = >>2577 = non-constructive shitpost = hidden

you didn't even sage


338fd5 No.2603

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>>2587

sound like forums could fit your needs better than imageboards fam


5387e3 No.2626

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>>2603

but imageboards are forums

forums that allow anonymous posting and image uploading


5387e3 No.2644

>>2603

why can't we have serious discussion on imageboards?


6dc5e3 No.2648

>>2644

there is nothing wrong with serious discussion; the problem arises when you demand that only serious discussion occur, to the exclusion of everything else.


5387e3 No.2650

>>2648

maybe people can mark their non-serious posts with '[Shitpost]' or something else in the subject field so they can be filtered


a29409 No.2653

>>2650

Or you could lurk more.


5387e3 No.2654

>>2648

>the problem arises when you demand that only serious discussion occur, to the exclusion of everything else

why do people think this is a problem btw


5387e3 No.2655

>>2653

not an argument


a29409 No.2656

>>2655

Suck my dick, nigger. That's all you're getting.


5387e3 No.2657

>>2656

filtered ID


a29409 No.2658

>>2657

That's not an argument :^)


a29409 No.2661

>>2658

Also, I hope everyone took notice that he was basically advocating a '[trigger warning]' for autists. Literal retard and newfag.


5387e3 No.2662

>>2658

neither is >>2656

I was letting you know your shitposting is getting hidden

unfiltered now because I don't want to presume everything coming from your IP will be shitty


5387e3 No.2666

>>2661

read >>2650

>so they can be filtered


a29409 No.2668

>>2666

read

>>2653

>what is fucking discernment? do you have a brain? can you think for yourself and read into things?


5387e3 No.2669

>>2653

are you saying that I should lurk and try to fit in until I agree with you that shitposting is OK and doesn't bother me?


5387e3 No.2675

Sorry if >>2669 is strawman but I don't understand what >>2653 and >>2668 are trying to say


6dc5e3 No.2683

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>>2654

>why do people think this is a problem btw

Think about it this way:

By censoring the board and prohibiting non-'serious' posts, you are actually undoing the qualities which brought about its success in the first place.

The reason why /pol/ did more to advance the far right that Stormfront or Ironmarch could ever hope to do is that /pol/ (was) actually fun: people will normally be unwilling to entertain ideologies too far removed from their own, but if you convey your ideas through humor you can actually get through to people and get them to think critically about the world's problems in spite of themselves.

Normally, this is the point where a neo-/pol/ack might jump in and say something like, "well let's just remove the BAD shitposts and keep the GOOD ones!" This is a fallacy. First of all, there are no 'good' or 'bad' shitposts, it's entirely subjective. I can understand removing pure spam or attempts to flood the board, but once you start removing normal posts (no matter how shitty you may think they are), you've doomed your board to a slippery slope towards decline and eventual death. You're leaving the definition of what is 'good' and 'bad' up to the mods, and eventually they will start to enforce their own personal vision for the board onto the rest of the community (at its expense), without exception. We learned this lesson on 4chan, and now we've learned it all over again on 8chan. When will people finally wake up and stop trusting their mods to know what's best for them? Can't you see how the "job" of moderating an anonymous imageboard will invariably attract the most power-hungry and corrupt people possible?

It also just so happens that most of the creative, interesting, and intelligent people on a given board will only stick around as long as the moderation remains sufficiently lenient; this is why you saw such a massive brain drain from /pol/ after the second exodus and again in April after the new mods clamped down even further. Sadly, this most recent wave of people leaving may actually be the final nail in the coffin that kills /pol/ for good.

And that's what happens when you make the mistake of asking for more moderation. Authoritarianism might sometimes work in the real world, but on the Internet it never works.


9d887f No.2692

>>1209

Complete freedom is impossible. My freedom to kill you conflicts with your freedom to live. Your freedom to silence me conflicts with my freedom to speak.

In an ideal world, 8chan would have an infinite capacity and no threads would ever die, meaning it would be impossible to slide a board out of existence. Also, it would be easy to find threads that interest you (like with a filter in addition to the catalog search). But that's not the way it is. The boards can only hold so many threads at once. In this sense, freedom of expression on any given board has a hard limit and as far as the top-level of threads go, speech is a zero-sum game.

You claim to care about freedom of speech, but you're actively hogging a huge portion of the space here by shitposting. Since we can't have absolute free speech, we have to settle for something else. The second best thing we can do is asymptotically increase the amount of free speech toward the limit. Within the existing restrictions, a mathematically ideal board would be filled with threads that accrue posts and viewers equally, until they hit the post limit, and only then would new threads would appear. That's not ideal for a thriving community; I'm just providing it as a point of contrast to what has been happening. Instead of approaching that, we're almost at the opposite extreme right now. We can't have complete freedom, so if you care about it you should try for the next best thing: more than we currently have.

Aha! That's exactly what you're after is it not? You're trying to make a statement. You're sacrificing some freedom now for more freedom later. But here's the problem with that. According to your own valuation of freedom, your actions only become justified if your opponents cave in to you, otherwise all you accomplished was to restrict freedom of speech. Your victory is not guaranteed. In fact it's so unlikely that you might as well write off the possibility entirely. Probabilistically the expected result here is no change in moderation, while you have wasted however much time people could have used to discuss the board topic. What you are doing is at complete odds with your stated goals.

But hold on, it gets even worse than this. This is infinitechan. The site's gimmick is your ability to create your own boards. If you are displeased with how a board pursues free speech (or doesn't), you are free to make your own board. You are free to speak there instead. You are free to shill that board on the other boards. You are free to put your ideas into action and make a better board. You are free to force a board's hand by providing stiff competition in the marketplace of marketplaces of ideas. You can protest board moderation (and even create pressure for change) without infringing on anybody's ability to speak whatsoever. You can do all of this purely via creative action.

But you don't. With the unfettered ability to create at your fingertips, you instead destroy. Because deep down you fear that you don't have it in you to create anything, and you're jealous of the people who are unafraid. All you do is tear down other people. You invade existing spaces to shut down discussions because it's the only way you feel you can affect anything. But you're wrong. We all have the ability to create. You certainly have the energy. If you really are all bleeding heart about free speech, go create your own boards for whatever you want. It doesn't matter if they're shitty. They'll be yours. And if they're shitty, just keep posting content, and post better content than before.

If you don't actually give a damn about free speech, drop the pretense. Nobody is buying it, except whatever people you've fooled into thinking it's a wise use of their time to help you. All you're actually doing is disrupting the site. Own your shit. Maybe someday you'll actually be good at fucking with people. Maybe try for something specific, like /sp/ and gets. Right now you're a tiresome annoyance that goes away very quickly.


6dc5e3 No.2808

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>>2692

One of the core features of imageboards is a concept called ephemerality - these types of sites are designed from the ground up to have posts and threads be non-permanent. If you would like to change that, fine, but then you aren't really talking about an imageboard anymore, you're basically describing a regular forum with an imageboard's skin. Which is perfectly fine if that's what you're really looking for, but at that point you'd be better off simply moving to a different site like Ironmarch or Stormfront.

Imageboards are designed as places where people can say and post things they would be unable to say anywhere else. That's why we don't have accounts, and that's why posts disappear when they fall off the last page. For many people, one of the core reasons that they feel comfortable posting such tings on sites like this specifically is that they know the things they post won't be permanently recorded here. If you take that away, it is inevitable that you will also lose some of the other qualities that make sites like these so great.

>Within the existing restrictions, a mathematically ideal board would be filled with threads that accrue posts and viewers equally, until they hit the post limit, and only then would new threads would appear

This is the part of your post where you start to go completely off the deep end into pure stupidity. The purpose of freedom of speech is never to maximize the quantity of speech. Free speech only entails removing restrictions on what you can say, and has absolutely nothing to do with maximizing how much is said. The fact that you believe that a board full of threads with exactly 750 replies each somehow represents a "mathematical ideal" on any level seriously casts into doubt your vision for this board.

>Aha! That's exactly what you're after is it not? You're trying to make a statement. You're sacrificing some freedom now for more freedom later.

You have managed to twist definitions around until suddenly, making a post where you speak your mind is somehow equivalent to "sacrificing freedom". I urge you to retrace your train of thought to figure out where you made the mistake, because to any sane reader this reads as complete and utter nonsense.

>According to your own valuation of freedom, your actions only become justified if your opponents cave in to you, otherwise all you accomplished was to restrict freedom of speech.

Once again, this comes back to the way you've twisted around the definitions of "freedom" and "speech" to suit your argument. The only ones who are capable of restricting freedom of speech are the moderators; it is impossible for a regular user to silence or censor any other user, so by definition a regular user cannot restrict free speech. At most you could argue that bot spam of the type that >>>/ints/ is experiencing right now is a restriction on speech in the sense that anything which gets posted flies off the board in a matter of mere seconds, but individual posts made by humans are a different matter entirely and to argue that someone else making a post or thread you disagree with is a restriction on your freedoms is SJW-tier logic.


6dc5e3 No.2809

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>>2692

>>2808

(continued)

>But hold on, it gets even worse than this. This is infinitechan. The site's gimmick is your ability to create your own boards. If you are displeased with how a board pursues free speech (or doesn't), you are free to make your own board. You are free to speak there instead. You are free to shill that board on the other boards. You are free to put your ideas into action and make a better board. You are free to force a board's hand by providing stiff competition in the marketplace of marketplaces of ideas. You can protest board moderation (and even create pressure for change) without infringing on anybody's ability to speak whatsoever. You can do all of this purely via creative action.

Why do you think we're all here instead of back on /pol/? The problem is that every time someone tries to make a board with less moderation, you stupid mouthbreathers follow right behind and whine and moan about "muh shitposts" until the new board is every bit as strict as the original one. If you hate those types of posts or threads so much, why don't you take your own advice and move to a board better suited to your preferences instead of forcing everybody trying to get away from people like you to do what you want them to?

Just like a Muslim immigrant coming to Europe or a Californian moving away to a nicer (whiter) state, people like you turn your communities into complete shitholes through your insane policies, and when the destruction of your community is complete you leave and invade other people's much nicer and better-managed communities and demand they follow the exact same policies that destroyed your own! You are literal walking, talking human cancer and the fact that people like you can't fathom the irony of what you're doing to /pol/ speaks volumes about your complete lack of intelligence and self-awareness.

>With the unfettered ability to create at your fingertips, you instead destroy.

Again with the definitions dude. Who exactly is "destroying" anything? What did the OP "destroy" by making this thread, particularly when this board hasn't even filled in all 10 of its pages with threads yet? Can you name even a single thing that's been destroyed, apart from (apparently) your feelings?

>Because deep down you fear that you don't have it in you to create anything, and you're jealous of the people who are unafraid. All you do is tear down other people. You invade existing spaces to shut down discussions because it's the only way you feel you can affect anything.

I've never seen someone project this hard before. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The irony here is that you are the unwanted invader here, you are the one who has distorted and mentally ill ideas about free speech, and you are EXACTLY the kind of person who enabled the mods of /pol/ to turn that board into the shithole it is today. The only difference between this board and /pol/ is that this board is more lenient with its moderation. If you dislike that, nobody is forcing you to leave /pol/. Nobody is forcing you to "endure" seeing people post things that offend your sensibilities. So wisen the fuck up and stop ruining every board on 8chan like some deranged herd of bootlicking locusts.


338fd5 No.2874

>>2808

>>2809

Nice walls of text fam but its an old copypasta


445abb No.2877

>>2809

I don't care if this is a copypasta, I'm capping it because I'm starting to see people bringing this shit up. We have filters and a minimize function for a reason. Crying about shitposts encourages mods to unleash their autism.


31c50f No.2888

I like how a post by an autist (and a spammer) turned into a meaningful discussion. That's the beauty of minimal moderation.


0476e3 No.2917

Daily reminder that shilling is not valued on /politics/


343a62 No.2924

>>2809

Reimu of truth has spoken, but picture is not related, picture should have been pissed reimu unleashing a can of whoopass so she can get back to napping.


b16043 No.2933

>>2650

kek you want people to label shitposting. Do you also need trigger warnings? lurk more.


47776d No.2940

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>>2808

>>2809

Trypt? Where are you my man?


6bdc66 No.2959

>>2809

>The problem is that every time someone tries to make a board with less moderation, you stupid mouthbreathers follow right behind and whine and moan about "muh shitposts" until the new board is every bit as strict as the original one.

I was boggled by the people saying they came to 8chan because they thought 4chan wasn't moderated enough.


338fd5 No.3005

>>2650

>Literally 'trigger warning'

Nigger are you high?


b16043 No.3020

>>3005

I've had a good laugh so far.

>muh new board has freedom:

>pls make trigger warnings

>>1286

>no christcucks allowed

>>1275

>ban duplicate threads/spam

Gets mad when trump threads on /pol/ are asked to be kept to a minimum or they may be banned.


b16043 No.3024

>>3005

I've had a good laugh so far.

>muh new board has freedom:

>pls make trigger warnings

>>1286

>no christian viewpoints allowed

>>1275

>ban duplicate threads/spam

Gets mad when trump threads on /pol/ are asked to be kept to a minimum or they may be banned.


b16043 No.3026

>>3024

Polite sage for accidental double post. Pls fix hotwheels.


3eb128 No.3028

>>3024

I wasn't talking about multiple trump threads.

I was talking about faggots whondouble post, or repost the exact same thread because they want to call attention to themselves/their posts like an attention whore.

Multiple Trump threads are fine so long as they aren't all on the same piece of news/generals.


5387e3 No.3059

File: 1445879323706.png (31.96 KB, 604x365, 604:365, filtering.png)

Nobody here understands >>2650

it's not about adding warnings to posts

it's about having a marker for them so people can have them be automatically hidden on their end


338fd5 No.3092

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>>3059

jesus fucking christ


d32417 No.3095

>>3059

ur stormkike


5387e3 No.3120

>>3059

edited to filter posts like >>3095, fixed to work with our post referencing syntax, put in text form if anybody wants it and fixed in other ways too:

/^(\s*>>\d+\s*)*((you're|you are|ur) a)? (single|double|triple|quadruple|quintuple|sextuple|septuple|octuple)? (storm)?.?(nig(ger|let|ress)?|fag(got)?(ess)?|kike|shlomo|moshe|spic|gook|cuck|nice person|shit.?lord|homo|hetero|trans|negro|semito).?(phobe|phile|hater|lover|a?boo|wannabe)?$/i


b16043 No.3332

>>3059

You really don't get it do you? Define shit post friend.


740e79 No.3335


a29409 No.3340

File: 1445927805389.gif (2.21 MB, 300x200, 3:2, 1390586561703.gif)

5387e3 is the most autistic person I have ever seen.


a5d261 No.3342

>>3335

>k

>

>https://archive.is/rmSQu

That was me, never posted in this thread, you don't like text art ?

click this, http://fhknf78fb456.com


b16043 No.3364

>>3335

You really need a trigger warning for that?


5387e3 No.3478


5387e3 No.3673

>>2888

which post was that?


d74c53 No.3677

>>3673

OP. He spammed the exodus threads with anime pics:

https://archive.is/oFBnA


3eed28 No.3709

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>>1275

that whole post is a detriment to freedom. sounds like some rulecuck bullshit from /pol/ tbh

>>1310

this

and this tbh >>2577 >>2603

>>2644

>serious discussion

>pics related


5387e3 No.6303

>>2648

>>2683

The thing is with not being serious on a medium such as this is that you lose the tone of voice that indicates that someone is not being serious




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