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I like property

>>137

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>>132

Because there's no such thing.

>>132

>Why are you not a Communist yet /politics/?

Because Communism is Jewish.

>>132

I like my rights as an American citizen, and I advocate for individualism.

>>132

I don't like genocide and police states.

>>132

Because you people are the enemy of the working class

>>132

>Because Communism is Jewish.

So is capitalism.

>>132

Because I like to have access to food and too much is better than too little IMHO.

Because as I understand communism one of the basics is that everyone is equal. This is a flaw.

I don't believe true Communism is possible to sustain because people are inherently, instinctively self interested and will work for the good of themselves and their family more than they will for their neighbors. Because of this corruption will always quickly take over and it will become an authoritarian murderous shithole, like it has pretty much everywhere on earth, every time it has been tried.

I'm not against socialist policies, I think in western countries a sane mix of capitalism with socialist tendencies is the best system, although the proper implementation is again very difficult for the same previous reasons.

Communism is a shit fag ideology created by the shit fag Marx who did nothing with his life and allowed his quality of life to get so bad his children died. Of course it wasn't his fault he was a lazy drunk who did nothing but whine bitch and moan it was the worlds fault.

Fascism and National Socialism are for faggots too.

Communism is a meme ideology. It's not real.

It's a bunch of retards LARPing at pretending their state capitalism is actually a horizontal egalitarian system.

eastern european here,

having to live in khrushchyovka sucks dick let me tell you,

whats a khrushchyovka you might ask? (pronounced: cruush-cho-fka) It was the de facto Soviet housing - you would have a flat design rotated around and stacked on top of itself 5-9; sort of like Tetris.

Problem is that most of time you would have poorly educated workers building and assembling them. So the "glue" or lining between these pieces would collect moisture, and the fluctuation of temperature (-20 in the winter and +20 during the summer is not unusual in my country) made it perfect for various types of mold.

About the lining and concrete - during the winter you have mold, and cold leaking through the walls (Its not funny when you can feel cold air rushing into the room from the corners of the walls) and during the summer its unbearably hot inside, because concrete holds heat very well.

Most khrushchyovkas are refurbished, renovated which helps to cut down on these problems. Some are painted on the outside, in my country this is not so prevalent, but our neighbours - the polaks - have been doing this to great success.

The furniture was horrible, very, very horrible. Any surviving examples have been rebuilt, re-veneered and reassembled at least once - again, unskilled labour. I myself have rebuilt several chairs with my grandfather, fixed a table and two TV sets - and I didn't even have the "honour" of being alive during the soviet union.

My grandfather told me a great story about how he and his friend spent a week fixing a TV, resoldering and making various parts from scratch, only to find out that all the TV channels are communist propaganda.

A final example of the issue of unskilled labour, so I can venture on to why I cannot understand the western obsession with communism, are musical instruments.

http://cheesyguitars.com/ussr_history.html, this website collects information about guitars built in the Soviet Union (in various "Socialist Republics"). You would completely unskilled - rural farmers, hunters being forced by the state to work wherever. The result?

The top soviet orchestras played with western made instruments (and only student intermediate models, which was as expensive as they could allow themselves).

Source: http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1327380, I have fiddled with various soviet trumpets, guitars (tried fixing one, the neck joint was the most horrendous carpentry I have ever seen it was quite seriously a triangle fitted into a round hole) - the intonation and sound is horrendous.

>>235

The reason I can't understand this obsession with "communism" is, because every example of it has been horrendous and evil. There are no words for it. I understand that Americans can't understand plain numbers, only pandering to emotions, so I will quote a great Soviet composer D. Shostakovich about one of the many unspeakable atrocities these bastards have committed:

" <...> I will tell you about one incident, only one. It's a horrible story and every time I think of it, I grow frightened, and I don't want to remember it. Since time immemorial folk singers have wandered along the roads of the Ukraine. They're called lirniki and banduristy there. They were almost always blind men - why that is so, is another question that I won't go into, but briefly, it's traditional. The point is, they were always blind and defenceless people, but no one ever touched or hurt them. Hurting a blind man - what could be lower?

And then in the mid-thirties the First All-Ukrainian Congress of Lirniki and Banduristy was announced, and all the folk singers had to gather and discuss what to do in the future. "Life is better, life is merrier', Stalin had said. The blind men believed it. They came to the Congress from all over the Ukraine, from tiny, forgotten villages. There were several hundred of them at the Congress, they say. It was a living museum, the country's living history; all its songs, all its music and poetry. And they were almost all shot, almost all tose pathetic blind men killed.

Why was it done? Why the sadism - killing the blind? < ... > You can't hand a blind man a corrected and approved text and you can't write him an order, either. You have to tell everything to a blind man. That takes too long. And you can't file away a piece of paper, and there's no time anyway. Collectivization. Mechanization. It was easier to shoot them. And so they did."

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>>236

Quality post. Someone screencap this.

>>236

Where there is light, there are shadows. I try and rationalize it, westerners are human, they are not evil by default. Maybe stupid, maybe.

Maybe they just believe in these light-weight, ethereal statements of "Everyone is equal", "To each his own", "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" etc. or they like how words like "Proletariat", "Workers Revolution" and all the other fancy Marxist gibberish. And since they have no concept of, nor the words for - Marxism, Socialism or any other form of this mental disease, they just spring for the more commonly used "Communist" and since the Soviet Union was communist, had ok-ish propaganda and great culture - they affix themselves to this idea of bears, ushanka's and vodka like flies to shit.

These statements make them at best, not communist, not socialist, at times not even marxist, but egalitarianist.

Of why egalitarianism is not the best idea is a topic for another day, so onto the devil behind all of this - Marxism.

There was a great man - Hegel, who is a very difficult read for any man, he thought in a very rigorous, yet slow manner - dialectically. He takes a statement, finds all the flaws in it and comes up with a compromise - thesis, antithesis and synthesis.

Like any system of thought, it is great if you follow the rule as best as you can. Hegel was a religious man, and his philosophy naturally lead into God and the Divine, as most philosophy does.

Marx was a materialist, who used Hegelian dialectics. You have a godless man, using a fundamentally spiritual man's ideas.

Lenin was even more straightforward about this - he would read Hegel and just skip the parts where he would start talking about God. And this was his attempts to purify Marxism by looking at its roots.

In my mind this is enough for any sane man to discredit Marx, but go if you want, you can read Das Kapital.

>>137

this

>>132

The only way you can get to communism is through socialism were genocide and walls to keep the population in are seen as means to an end. That is what people mean when they say communism has never happened but in reality the only real way to make it happen is via socialism or a community of less than 200 people. Its a pipe dream system that cannot and will not ever work and the means to make it even slightly work are inhuman.

>>204

>so is capitalism

It seems more like it's easily subverted. I don't like to pretend I have a good grasp on how all the intricacies of economics work, but shouldn't a Capitalist society with tough protectionist and immigration laws that keep the gikes out with no exceptions be fine?

>>238

Reading these posts are making me realize that I can only control myself and my family and even my family may have undergone this subversion process. After reading posts like >>236 and listening to Yuri Bezmenov and being banned from pol I am understanding the current state of things. All I can do is train and be ready should the time come to fight. I will not be lined up and shot anywhere and I feel for the man or woman who comes into my home seeking to do that to me. I never understood why people from these kinds of countries were so happy in America until I just read that story and it finally hit home.

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>>254

Personal and public/collective property still both exist as separate things in communism and socialism.

>>235

>>236

That all sounds pretty unpleasant, and central planning was a massive fuckup, but are you implying that shitty housing isn't a problem under capitalism? Because... lol. Clearly it is.

>>377

you conveniently didn't mention that "private property" has a different definition under communism and socialism.

because communism is GAY xD

In another thousand years after we've unraveled every last secret the universe has left to offer, have completely free and nearly unlimited energy, and have driven the cost of production for everything down to nil, we'll be communist anyway. So quit worrying about it.

>>429

>we'll be communist anyway

Or dead.

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>>426

There's nothing wrong with communism. The problem is the idea that communism has to be international and that borders have to be eliminated. As NazBols you all should know this.

>>426

> Hitler himself admitted the "strong men of the east" had proven themselves.

[citation need]

>>434

I'm not a NazBol. Communism is impossible because communism requires common ownership of the means of production by all of the people, but don't kid yourselves, practical ownership requires control, and you can't have everybody deciding for every factory and have an efficient system.

Pure communism is supposed to be the final horizontalist stage, but it will never come.

Hierarchy is more effective than horizontal egalitarianism, and sure enough, even the supposed "socialist" nations, actually functioned as state capitalist countries with central pricing and command from above to below, as if the nation was one big company.

>>458

“If the war is lost," Hitler told his Minister of Armaments, Albert Speer, "the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation. Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed."

>>460

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/defeat/enter-bunker.htm

>>460

not the exact quote but thanks

>>145

This.

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>>434

From what I've read from a book called the Tiger and The Dragon (a book about economic growth in India and China respectively) Communism seems to always dilapidate into what it is fighting against; ie a government that shits on the proletariat.

Also, if I put my heart and soul into manufacturing something then why the fuck should I get paid the same amount as Trayvon who takes like 10 smoke breaks and has a 30 percent success ratio of success manufacturing the same thing as me?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with communism if people are free to voluntarily subscribe to it and leave voluntarily without fear of violent retaliation.

I have never heard a single communist (not even "an"coms) who abide by the above principle though.

>>584

Most communists I've met would stick Trayvon in a gulag if it's any consolation.

>>132

Because I don't think people who disagree with me should be shot/gulagged.

muh property

>>380

>you conveniently didn't mention that "private property" has a different definition under communism and socialism.

Fucking commies.

>>235

>>236

noice

>>132

because I don't think a deranged 19th century NEET bum is an authority on economics

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>>238

That's cap worthy shit mate.

>>145

We have a winner!

>>132

Because I understand the most fundamental economic principles. Why work hard if there's no incentives? Incentives is literally first day econ class shit.

Also, I like private property, and I don't trust the people at the government to run my life. If you put the government in charge of the sahara, you would end up with a shortage of sand. Not everyone is equal. People are different, and this should be celebrated, not suppressed.

I'm religious and I like culture. As we have seen, communists hate both of these things.

Communism is supposed to be implemented world wide. I like nation states, and I think they are practical and worth preserving.

There are many reasons. "Muh proletariat" does not excuse the sheer ineptitude that Marxism is founded on.

Personally it's just that Orthodox Marxists are useless idiots. They cling to 19th century ideas and call any other socialists with half a brain a revisionists.

There is no future to radical leftism in the post-feminist age. The left will never develop an immunoresponse to that virus. They will forever be dominated by social identity politics even when they give lip service to fighting it.

Feminism is the whole of the left, now, to the last man. All people with minds under their own control have abandoned leftism or gone dormant, silent, and put their heads down for good.

>>132

Even if communism wasn't inheritly full of shit, the modern left is. Honestly I'd join a communist revolution, if they put all these identity politics faggots up against a wall. For me this would be like switching AIDS for cancer, AIDS will fuck you up, period, while you might recover from cancer.

Because I have no desire to be a tool for the Jews.

>>132

Failed Jewish ideology that treats everyone but the elites as goyim rather than people.

>>132

Because I actually understand economics.

>>1126

>Failed Jewish ideology that treats everyone but the elites as goyim rather than people.

It's called state capitalism for a reason

Comunism is pink tainted slavery waged by a bunch of inbred kikes with no respect for life or human dignity.

>>2036

Best one

FUCK OFF KIKE

Communism is a Jewish ideology that results in mass deaths repeatedly.

>>1055

>Incentives is literally first day econ class shit.

Someone on /leftypol/ posted this video(the thread should still exist) and while it does admit that money is a good incentive for simple tasks, for other more complex tasks it doesn't work. It is true that there are other incentives other than money like becoming a master at something or feeling the joy of doing a good job, however those can exist in a utopian communistic world(one in which there is no more poverty and anybody can get whatever they want for free) as well.

I would like to hear the opinion of a libertarian or an AnCap on this matter.

>tl;dr money is a bad incentive

>>235

>tetris

I feel sry for your gramps but I stil kekd

Communism won't ever be a viable system of economics until we've fully automated production of all important goods in life.

Because Im >>>/christ/ian.

>>8332

are you the christian anon who used to post here when the board was young?

Without capitalism you won't be able to masturbate to your chinese cartoon "waifu" you autistic weaboo retatd

>>132

Couse system that rewards failure is degenerative to humanity.

>>204

That's why National Socialism is the answer. No kike influence. The only socio-political structure fit for the White man

>>8641

If you are going to refute, use sauces.

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I too grew up in an Eastern European Communist country - Romania, who had the bloodiest Revolution when the Iron Curtain fell in 89.

I was only 4 years old when it happened, so I didn't truly live it, but my parents and older sister did. We learned about it in history - it was very fresh in the collective mind.

I learned about rationing, about how our parents would wait in line at the only grocery store in the neighbourhood from 5 A.M. or earlier to get their daily bottle of milk, loaf of bread, some butter and so on.

Fruit were a luxury, not to mention chocolate or other sweets which was usually smuggled in.

You could NOT exit the country, nor could anyone enter it. Everyone was suspicious of everyone else since your neighbour of 20 years could turn you in to the "Security" (basically CIA on steroids, or think Stazi). They would take you away with no trial, no due process and brand you as a "political dissident", a designation which covered pretty much whatever they wanted.

In an insane attempt to cover all our national debt, the electricity went out in the entire country after 21 (9 PM), and you had 2 hours of hot water a day, one in the morning one in the evening.

YOU DID NOT HAVE HEATING IN THE WINTER.

Every book was a propaganda book, and on the black and white TVs (whoever was lucky to own one) you had 1 channel, with 1 hour or programming every evening. I think you can guess what was shown during that hour.

Ceausescu (our dictator) brought the peasantry to the city, which completely fucked up the ecosystem of cities, since peasants were crude, uneducated, unskilled workers forced to live in an environment where there were different values. The clash of the classes was painful for both: the peasants were ripped from their lands, which had been handed down for generations, denied their trade of working the land and the city folk were greeted by hoards of unhappy, violent workers who DESPISED the "intellectuals" (intellectual was an insult here, and if you finished high school, or went to college - you were one)

I don't even want to go into the fact that they took all the lands from the peasants and no matter how much your land made, all of it belonged to the state. You think it's the redistribution of wealth? It flattening everyone to poverty.

In the meantime, the Party members, which if you weren't one you were automatically suspect, lived the high life.

My country is still recovering from that failed experiment, and I think the scars will never truly heal. We are decades behind in culture, civilization, production and almost every other area.

Whoever thinks communism is a good idea, hasn't lived it or hasn't truly read about it. It's a system so ripe for utter exploitation that it's not even funny.

Read 1984, and you'll see the real life manifestation of your "idea".

>>8741

Capped with the other 3 posts.

>You think it's the redistribution of wealth? It flattening everyone to poverty.

Nice line to sum up communism.

>>8741

>Read 1984

Disclaimer: Written by the most famous British communist in History.

>>8648

Communism and socialism are the same thing. Nazism is just capitalism.

>>8904

even a communist can be right sometimes.

>>132

Because I believe in equal opportunities not equal outcomes.

>>8648

>National Socialism

which is not socialist in any sense of the word. There were still huge corporations in nazi germany, there were still very wealthy families who owned a disproportionate amount of wealth (The Thyssen family comes into mind).

You idiots never seem to mind being exploited as long as the exploitation is done by someone white and non-jewish, which is to say nazism is just identity politics with no substance whatsoever.

Holy fuck this thread is full of autism.

>>8909

Communism is for equal opportunity and meritocracy.

In our current world, the rich kid will more likely get a certain job or position because his parents are rich enough to pay his prestigious university degree and so on, but may have not as much talent, while the working class kid who had to get a loan for a sub-par college and is probably going to spend the next 30 years paying off his loan, but is more talented, will not.

The rich kid is more likely to get in due to his fancy looks and prestigious degree his parents could afford him.

In communism, both people will go through the same quality education and the one with the better talent will get the job.

>>204

Capitalism is not Jewish. The major thinkers of capitalism are all British and other European. The major thinkers of Communism are all Jewish.

That's the simple facts m8

>>8910

>Being paid to do work is exploitation

We've talked about this Billy. Get back to the job centre you worthless neet.

>>9703

fugg I meme'd it wrong :--DDD

>>8741

>Read 1984

Orwell was criticizing the "authoritarian left", which, essentially, were just right-wingers co-opting leftist rhetoric to wrestle into control (the nazis were also like this to an extent, read Mussolini and Hitler and they talk a lot about abolishing economic class and all that). The USSR and other "communist" factions that came to power during times of political instability (such as war) were huge mistakes and no sane man supports what they did. However, to the end of his life he remained supportive of leftism and libertarianism, recognizing that if socialism was undertaken in the intended way, ie workers of the world taking control of the means of production and not just a totalitarian unrepresentative party taking total control over the lives of everyone, it would work. In a way, its more of a criticism on fascism. I also come from a post-gommie country, but the true reasons for why something failed should always be recognized, and the blame not simply pinned on what the party in control claimed to be representative of.

>>132

because anime is retarded