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That paper that was signed by some smart people in 1776 was pretty good, so called experts often cant see the forest because of the trees, its even worse if money is involved, money is the root of all evil, labels are bad, like with partys, no one fits the label and some lie because of money.

If you think about money being the root of all evil you can see its work in almost everything.

A revolution might be needed

>>2233

>capital in the hands of the state

you lost me there

>>2236

You can still become rich citizen. Competent bureaucratic examination like the old Chinese system and IQ examinations will ensure you can advance up the ranks and that there is aspiration unlike in a communist society.

The aspiration of capitalism, without the unpredictability of free market capitalism.

>>2238

>competent

this is generally a weak point in any system, where you require something to be competent

you cannot enforce systemic competence, and the system will collapse from this weak point as soon as this bureaucratic examination ceases being competent.

>>2239

>and the system will collapse from this weak point as soon as this bureaucratic examination ceases being competent.

It won't cease being competent, because the evaluation with have a floor in terms of IQ which is agreed by most experts to today to correspond with life outcomes and actual ability, and the bureaucratic testing will focus on results. If you aren't able to get results then you are out.

>>2241

HURRR THERE'S NO RIGHT ANSWER

EVERYTHING IS HOW YOU FEEL

SMASH THE STATE

>re-educate

>Ethno-Nationalists who put a proxy for characteristics above the characteristics themselves and promote an irrational immoral system, while engaging in destructive racial jihad that wrecks whole continents

You're not even fucking white, kill yourself subhuman

>>2243

>HURRR MY ANSWER IS THE ONLY RIGHT ONE

>EVERYTHING IS HOW YOU FEEL

>SMASH THE STATE

Literally the same thing right back at you :^)

>>2245

I am white, and you show its just about origin and not ability, because if you were really convinced that blacks were inferior you would except my proposal which turns your faulty reasoning on its head and would remove blacks anyway.

Specifically, I propose these tiers:

IQ 90 or below: You get three retests, but if they all come out 90 or below you get gassed.

IQ 91-100: Worthy citizen, but you are only allowed manual labor

IQ 100-130: Elite potential, and can undergo bureaucratic education and testing to train and see applicability for elite careers in science or management and so on.

IQ 130-160: More money is spent on educating you as you have higher potential, and you can even get into a high up leading council position

IQ 160+: You are allowed to become President if you A: pass the requisite tests, and B: are then voted into power by council members.

Maybe this isn't your ideal society, but you can't really say it isn't better than what we have now in which fat retarded slobs are allowed to have a vote in who gets control of the state.

>>2252

>How is it irrational to group people of a similar race who share a similar culture?

Culture is malleable and can change very rapidly, as we've seen these past decades. Your dad's culture is not yours is not your sons.

Central people become critical touchstones and can direct new developments in culture. So the culture shall be dictated by the state.

>Look at nations that are homogeneous then take a look at "melting pot" countries and tell me diversity is a good thing.

Agreed. Diversity is shit. We just disagree on how commonality shall be achieved and on what form it should take.

>>2233

>we

>>2254

Well, let me tell you this:

if you were over IQ 130 and allowed to make decisions in this system, you'd know why this system is shit.

>>2233

Centrism isn't a political position, it's a cop out.

>centrists

>getting shit done

We have all seen the fruits of trying to please everyone by taking no stand on any issue.

>>2233

>Centrism

Yep because being a moderate will be an effective system because appeasing to everyone has worked out before

>>2310

>>2324

>>2335

Moderation and neutrality aren't the same as being in the center. Moderation and neutrality are the policies of the weak democratic center.

You can absolutely crack heads for a center position against nationalists, commies, libertarians, and theocrats.

I'm absolutely taking a stand.

>>2283

So, no argument then? It's just shit because it makes you uncomfortable?

>being militant about something that is defined by extremes, ergo being forced by others

well OP you're clearly below that 90IQ you look down upon, when can we await your suicide?

>>2254

>High IQ

Congrats on handing your government to the Ashkenazi Jews

Hi!

I, too, am 14 yeas old!

Centrism is folly tbh fam.

Extremism is going to rule the next age of man. Better pick a side before it's too late. Racial ethno-nationalist Right-wingers (not talking about skinhead neetsoc fuckers) and Christian Right-wingers are the likely big winners.

>>2440

Refer to >>2239

The system is way too easily played. All it takes is one smart psychopath to start faking test results.

>>2441

Well, I don't mind at all. I'm not interested in anti-racist outcomes, only in stopping stupid racism from taking over the state.

If the state happens to prove blacks inferior, then we have been scientific about it. I'm still not going to not gas stormfags though. They do far worse than merely believe in race, but instead base their entire politics around it in.

Instead of race first, we should say ability first and let the chips fall where they may. If the outcome hurts one race more than another then they go whine about it.

>>2443

Good. The only reason they've been hated is because Christian kings imported them to get round restrictions on usury and have bankers.

You can't have a profitable sustainable banking system without profit and that profit comes from interest rates.

The Jews were hated for their privilege by peasants and in bad times the King and aristocrats could just blame them and save their own neck.

And so that productive, intelligent, and studious people builds up a bad reputation. Unfortunately, they have responded by being Nazis only in reverse.

If, however, they are willing to reject Zionism, and embrace my secular authoritarian system, then they are free to prove themselves. If, however, they reject it, then they will be conked and thrown into the spike pits with their Nazi enemies.

>>2498

All it takes in the existing system is for one smart psychopath to manipulate the public.

There's no fool proof plan against smart psychopaths, because they are smart and psychopathic.

Therefore it is not a legitimate criticism against the system as compared to others.

Actually, one thing we could do is include a test for empathy and engage in investigation to map the brains of psychopaths so we can identify them. The existing system would never even dare propose this, because it cares too much about freedumb.

Daily reminder that ancaps are not anarchists.

>>2505

How many actual Anarchists(no authority at all) are there? AnCaps believe in corporate authority and left Anarchists are usually SJW as fuck.

>>2233

Just teenage edgelords trying to be different.

Have fun with your centralized economies that will lead to economic calculation problems, and you totalitarian world state.

>>2606

There's another problem with including a test for empathy though.

Empathy in leadership positions is a bad choice. You want leaders to make rational, not emotional choices. Sadly IQ doesn't help with that.

>>2606

>A day in the life of a man living in your country?

Peace and a good job that he is suited to. No more worrying about scary terrorists or worrying about keeping a job.

As long as you remain good and do your work you'll live. Eventually, we can automate you away and put you on welfare.

Obey the law and you'll live in a utopian society.

>Furthermore, what do you actually intend to do other than killing off undesirables?

Forge a worldwide monoculture, enact state capitalism with ancient Chinese style bureaucratic examination only with IQ tiers as a base, re-educate the populace, and purge genetic duds and ideological deviants.

>>2254

IQ is not a very good way to judge competence for job perspective, because IQ tests could be flawed and IQ does not measure dilligence, leadership, social skills (which are necessary for any job involving human interaction, from store clerk to PR manager) et cetera. Also I doubt many people would want to live in a Brave New World-tier society. A free market system works fine on this point, as employers hire whomever they think is best suited for the job and potential employees do their best to aquire their desired job. Improving this system, for example by cutting unemployment benefits, elimintating any kind of affirmative action, cracking down on nepotism or attempting to promote a culture of productivity.

Voting is another matter though. Establishing IQ tests for voting is more sensible, although they kinda defeat the whole purpose of democracy. I'm not sure yet which system I would say is Ideal. Perhaps bichamberism in which the lower house is fully democratic and the upper house is formed and/or elected by intelectualls, specifically political experts and holds more power than the upper house in most bichamberal western countries.

>>3497

> Improving this system, for example...

I meant

Improving this system would be a better alternative, for example...

>>2233

very good sir

of course you do realize the reason this hasn't happened is "militant" and "centerist" have been mutually exclusive for some time.

God Emperor Trump is starting to reconcile these two terms, however. The cultural marxist media tries to portray him as a loon, but anyone who listens recognizes common sense for what it is.

>>2233

centrism wouldnt kill extremists

>>7687

THIS! I think OP is actually going for Singapore ON STEROIDS type of thing?

Also, OP why fucking Spike Pits? I typically think of Vietnamese booby traps. Just shoot a man maybe throw them out of planes. Also, NS aren't your enemy see >>2252 u are thinking of skinheads/klanfags/moonman

Authoritarian centrists are fucking weird

>>7706

Also, I'm not antisemitic. If Ashkenazim can pass the IQ tests for elitehood then they get in.

>>7706

I agree as far a pure ethnonationalism is concerned (i.e. can't exactly turn back the clock on tech which makes this shit possible).

Why do you want a world government at this stage? It won't help anybody until space travel comes along. Can we at least settle on a Terran Empire type government?

>>7707

The only true anti-semetics are those shills on /pol (since the Calais attacks) going "kill everyone in the middle east" since they hate all semites. I think the term you are looking for is anti-Judaic.

>>7708

>Why do you want a world government at this stage?

It means that we can have complete control of industry without corporations fleeing and not paying their dues.

It also means that we can control the development of artificial intelligence without wars between countries unleashing ever more powerful AGIs that are hostile to humans.

>I think the term you are looking for is anti-Judaic.

I oppose all religious extremism. I want a secular state.

Judaism the religion shall not play any part, but any genetic Jews who are atheist shall win positions based on their statistics and performance. Competent bureaucratic examination shall take place as in China.

I believe to judge someones true worth there should be multiple tests, not just creativity.

I disagree with

>judging only according to competence and IQ and not by race or class.

This would mean letting in some of all races. When we know blending the races is bad for everyone, as it lowers overall strength (immune systems in mixed raced humans are more weak than pure raced humans), if the races overall intelligence is low when you mix one with another you are combining their genes, and therefore you are weakening one of the two unless they are of equal IQ.

We evolved separate from each other (speaking in terms of race), we evolved our strengths and our weaknesses, why breed the weak stock with the strong stock?

Asians and whites are the best for this, but there should be strictly enforced segregation in terms of sexuality.

>We need to convert or purge:

Ideological conversion breeds traitors and revolt.

>>7724

> unless they are of equal IQ.

You're assuming there that both races have the same genetic mechanism for intelligence, which is not necessarily the case.

The different human races are different subspecies and, through adapting to their own specific regional environment, have developed their own specific genotype (specific genetic configuration), so when two races display the same phenotype (inheritable trait), a genetic mixture of the two races will have half the genotypic requirement from one race, half the genotypic requirement from another, and, as a result,often not display the phenotype.

The two races with the longest average lifespan is Japanese and Latvian, so you'd think that Japatvian children would also have long lives, correct?

Wrong. The children have shorter lives and more congenital problems than either of the parents, because the children do not have the genetic configuration for longevity of either the Japanese or Latvians.

Race-mixing doesn't just create children devoid of a clear, unified culture, it also destroys the unique genetic specialization that the different human races have developed in tandem with their regional habitat.

>>2233

>nazis have an IQ below 90

nice try, dicksucker. I'm not even a nazi and that's bullshit. Eat shit, op

>>7724

>>7734

Come to think about it. Your ideas and the OPs sound a lot like Future Modernism only yours has an ethnic component.

OP your ideology is called Fascism. Nationalism that revolves around the spirit or culture of the people regardless of race. Mussolini was not a race realist like Hitler.

the only ethno state to go on a genocidal war because "they aren't our race" is Israel

>>2233

The problem with this is that you cannot have a rational society if you murder every dissenting opinion without a chance to justify their opinions.

>>7706

Spike pits won't work because the bodies will pile up on the spikes, removal of corpses will be hazardous and unnecessary. Slitting throats is an easy and efficient solution.

>>8552

I was only showing a flaw in OP's system.

>>8646

>OP your ideology is called Fascism.

Nah.

Differences:

>Fascism is populist

>Militant Centrism is aristocratic

>Fascism is nationalist

>My system is international/a world state

>Fascism is based on a parliament of corporate groups from the bottom up

>Militant Centrism is based directly on state capitalism, or state run business corporations

>Fascism respects religion

>I want authoritarian secularism to forge a new monoculture

>Fascist bureaucracy is based on il duce and arbitrary appointment of officials

>Militant Centrist bureaucracy is based on Chinese style bureaucratic examination

Similarities:

>Both oppose equality

>Both believe in the totalitarian state

>Mussolini was not a race realist like Hitler.

Mussolini's views evolved. He was originally a socialist before he was a nationalist. He eventually adopted an ethno-nationalist position.

>Spike pits won't work because the bodies will pile up on the spikes, removal of corpses will be hazardous and unnecessary.

Who says the corpses get removed? The spike pits will be in huge warehouses that are sealed off, and the bodies will simply be allowed to rot.

>Slitting throats is an easy and efficient solution.

No fun. Not extravagant and bizarre enough. You have to make your enemies think you are crazy.

ISIS knows this.

>>8654

Genocide on a large scale can't facilitate that kind of warehouse storage, unless you fucking spend more space storing enemy corpses than civilian houses.

Do you think the enemy are going to watch how every man is killed? No. Go make a public display, drop some people on spikes. In the end they'll mainly die of blood loss, which has a euphoric end. Want to strike fear in the enemy? Public torture. Blatant destruction of their cultural values. Make a show of the weakest most pitiful enemy soldier you have, that is still identifiable by the enemy, then have him praise your empire, and beg for mercy.

ISIS are amateurs. I'm not going to argue with you over that fact either.

>>8667

>Genocide on a large scale can't facilitate that kind of warehouse storage

Yes it can. You can pack thousands of corpses into a big building, then just build thousands of relatively cheap cast concrete buildings to put them all in.

We are going to have the whole world's resources to use after WW3 is over and we've conquered everything. Besides, a lot of our enemies will die during the war, even before the industrial genocide.

>Do you think the enemy are going to watch how every man is killed? No. Go make a public display, drop some people on spikes. In the end they'll mainly die of blood loss, which has a euphoric end. Want to strike fear in the enemy? Public torture. Blatant destruction of their cultural values. Make a show of the weakest most pitiful enemy soldier you have, that is still identifiable by the enemy, then have him praise your empire, and beg for mercy.

That's nice and all, but I want spike pits, and there's plenty of resources to spare, so I'm going to get spike pits.

Spike pits are important to me.

>ISIS are amateurs. I'm not going to argue with you over that fact either.

Their propaganda works.

>>8653

I wasn't accusing you or OP of plagarism, just noting some parallels such as emphasis on IQ. Also, what about trash compactors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U3Oti2L8S4

>>8654

Mussolini started to move towards ethno-nationalism but not 100%. This was mostly in Ethiopian/African context where there was already war. Domestic policy was largely influenced by Natsoc diplomatic pressure.

>>8667

ISIS are Israeli sponsored cucks. I thought as a WN you knew this. As for storage, there's mass graves as an alternative or dead nigga storage t.mixed nigra

>>8683

kill yourself tripfag

I knew this, but I have no evidence of it.

>>8674

You're retarded for wasting resources. You're doing something because you want to and not because you need to. That alone is enough to put me off your ideology.

You don't see them parading around dead people for propaganda.

>>2233

Proof that when you take SoA style centrist ideology to its extreme you just reveal "centrism"'s right ring core.

>>2233

Ideological labels are stupid. I am a firm believer in realpolitik and pragmatism. Ideology just obstructs you from the most practical course.

But I disagree strongly about establishing a secular state.

The state doesn't need to be a christian or muslim or jewish state. All I'm saying is that the state recognize official religions, none being given primacy, and create/nominate a governing body on said religion consisted of theologians and jurists from each faith, otherwise it will end up like the US where any southern baptist liar can start a church claming to have had visions of jeebus after getting high on LSD.

Secularism is the death of morality. Look at the west and europe. Make all the jokes you will about the Saudis but their women aren't whores and their kids don't 'come out' as gay on tumblr at age 16.

>>2252

I'm so fucking tired of pics like these.

I'll admit the guy in the turban and the bosnian handschar are frontline combat troops. But the others are most likely hilfswillige assigned to non-combat roles like cooking or driving.

Also the black guy in the middle is an askari from ww1.

>>8930

>Kill yourself

ohyou.jpg

>I knew this

oh

>>8938

Saudis are closet degenerates just look at the fucking royals. Iran is better example.

>>8939

>most likely

>MUH GUESS

>WWI

Citation needed.

>>2233

You lost me the moment you wanted a worldstate.

Fuck off with your boring monoculture, an equal footing will create equal ideas and thought proceses but radically different nations and spheres of influence will make sure that radically different ideas get born on earth which are important should a culture ever fuck up greatly, for not everybody will be pulled down or stagnate.

Leave eurasia alone with this shit and be content with a small island state/some new world country.

>>8943

I really do hope you stop tripfagging. That shit is social media tier e-celeb crap. Tripfags are cancer.

harmony and goodwill is ideal

>>2233

>only according to competence and IQ

ok

>>2233

>and not by race or class

So what happens when darkie minorities essentially don't even exist in the system, and a certain nepotistic tribe begins their usual shenanigans?

>>13498

and wow. This board sure does post smoothly.

>>9379

Do you wear a Guy Fawkes mask while posting on 8ch?

>>13498

>So what happens when darkie minorities essentially don't even exist in the system, and a certain nepotistic tribe begins their usual shenanigans?

Anyone who undermines the centrist world state gets a bullet.

>>13516

>Anyone who undermines the centrist world state gets a bullet.

Yeah.

This ends in Jackson/Hitler. Every. Time.

>>2233

ITT:

OP wants to try and create a mish-mash of current U.S fascist neolib/neocon that purges low I.Qs and non-compliers to create the ultimate Orwellian American Empire, run by robotic slave Asians and headed by Akhenazis

Essentially, OP is a Rothschild

>>2233

Militants centralism... so you don't believe in freedom or rights? How can you keep the peace without giving your populace what it wants in most societies?

>>14391

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