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Late-Term Abortions

Extremely graphic footage 18+

>>3451

>Extremely graphic footage 18+

Thanks for the trigger warning, fam.

>>3456

Watch it then

>>3459

I am aware of it, anon. It's amongst the reasons I'm not a libertarian. I consider myself a Paleocon, but would accept Feudalism or Aristocracy since they are forms of Right-wing decentralized government and historically moralistic and traditional as well.

I was in your thread on /pol/, denouncing the Stormcucks screaming about dead niggers being good. I don't want niggers in my country, but killing them, unborn or otherwise, is not the option I would choose to remove them, barring them assaulting me or my property.

>>3450

>Keep your laws off my body... and I'll keep my hands off your throat

These people are so trashy and unlikable.

Late abortions are wrong*, but legalizing abortion entirely is much less worse the banning it entirely. The earth population need to be reduced.

*with exception to niggers, kikes and spics

and 30 million of those are niggers and another 24 million are other assorted unsightly minorities, I don't care.

>>3451

>>3537

Late term abortions are illegal in 48 states

How about this

ban all abortions if the pregnancy is over 6 weeks, the exceptions are:

If there is something wrong with the fetus

If it is bad for the mothers' health

If it was conceived through rape or incest

Hows that?

>>3538

>Late term abortions are illegal in 48 states

then what's this shit in OP?

>The United States marks 40 years of legalized abortion in all fifty states at any time for any reason throughout pregnancy on January 22nd, the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision.

was it turned down?

>>3549

Mostly sensationalism, and it was 30 states not 48. %10 of all abortions are late term, and its safe to say that most if not all of them are not white.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States_by_state

>United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted between 13 and 15 weeks, 4.2% between 16 and 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks.[19] Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there are no precise data for the number of abortions performed after viability.[19] In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year.[20]

>>3542

That would be an improvement.

>>3550

>Mostly sensationalism, and it was 30 states not 48.

Where in Roe v. Wade are states specified? Its an unconstitutional federal law which applies to all fifty states. You will notice that even though certain states have legalized marijuana, its still illegal in all fifty states under federal law. Likewise Roe v. Wade opens the door for all fifty states to murder the unborn at any time for any reason.

>>3550

>%10 of all abortions are late term, and its safe to say that most if not all of them are not white.

You claim that "only" 10% are late term, and assuming that's true, that's still about 100,000 late-term children murdered each year. In fact, not only is killing the unborn legal, but killing the newborn. Often late term abortions are performed by delivering the baby then chopping it up as shown: >>3451 or by throwing it into soiled trashcans to die

>>3550

Often in late term abortions the baby is delivered feet first, delivered by injecting the mother with hormones and drugs, then as the baby is delivered it is chopped up into pieces so that it can be yanked out of its mother's womb.

Am I the only one here who has no issue with neonaticide?

Hear my reasoning out. It's ridiculous to talk about the murdered being the one suffering from crime, as he's dead and doesn't give a fuck anyway. However, the ones that are affected by a murder are people to which the murdered still had unfulfilled obligations.

A newborn, however, doesn't have obligations to anything. It's in a blank state of being. Well, except for parents — but in that case, the parents should have the right to terminate it.

>>3629

The real question is if you value human life or not.

>>3637

Life by itself is unsubstantial. Human life's value isn't intrinsic, it's only based on what you do. Life in a vegetative state has no more value than being dead. And I'd rather die than go tetraplegic.

So, yeah, I guess I don't value human life. It's an empty phrase.

>>3641

I thought like that too when I was growing up.

Get back to me on that when you're older.

>>3641

>So, yeah, I guess I don't value human life. It's an empty phrase.

The socialist speaks

>>3644

And I mean this legit, not just being a cunt.

>>3644

>>3645

Hey, I may not be 60+ with grandkids or something but I know people that age that do agree with me on that.

In that case, let me ask you, how much is a borderline retarded nigger's life worth? Someone who will never do anything else in his life than take welfare and muh dik around?

It's more socialist to claim that all human life has equal value, regardless of your actions and abilities.

Nice strawmanned ad hominem btw.

>all these faggots wanting sheboons to have even more kids

>>3655

The "Nigger's" life is worth as much as he makes of it. Which would be a lot more if we got rid of welfare, stopped throwing him in prison for drug useage, and let him lead his own life.

He'd be too busy working/raising his kids to worry about robbing or raping. Haven't you ever seen an absolutely based old southern black man? They're formed from the fire of having to do shit on their own and are pleasant down-to-earth fellows, unlike them Northern welfare niggers.

>>3657

Sheboon can only have as many kids as she can now because of the govt. Covering her living costs.

Obviously welfare must be eliminated at the same time.

>>3662

That is true , although welfare eats away at a society no matter what.

>>3661

>Haven't you ever seen an absolutely based old southern black man?

No, They're the exception rather than the rule and I've lived in both the South and the North. For the most part there isn't much of a culture difference between northern and southern niggers.

For that point, there isn't that much culture difference in whites either other than accent

>>3671

There's a based old southern black man who comes to my university every so often waving his confederate flag and advertising his website http://southernheritage411.com/

And do you know who complains about it the most? White women. The same ones who campaign for abortion and are mad that the abortion clinic off campus had to move

>>3562

>children murdered

First of all stop emotionally charging your arguments, what the fuck are you a woman? Second of all the study also does not account for severely deformed children.

>>3767

>First of all stop emotionally charging your arguments

Oh, you want to use a euphemism: "abortion?" What is being aborted? A life. Whose life? The life of an unborn child. Did the child commit a crime to warrant being killed? No. So its murder. The murder of a child.

>>3768

Not arguing with you, you're clearly belligerent and unwilling to argue. You're just here to attention-whore and wait for people to show up to fellate yours and their common political stance, because you're right and everyone else is wrong.

>>3772

Oh no! Text thats outside the margins! Whatever shall I do!

>>3770

>Not arguing with you, you're clearly belligerent and unwilling to argue.

I made my argument. You complained that I'm using "emotional" language so I took you through the logic step by step what the euphemism of "abortion" actually stands for. Its not emotionally charged language, its factual language that elicits an emotional response by its nature.

>fellate

Faggot shows his hand again. Okay lets not argue

>>3823

epic le hat meme XD

>>3828

A human child under two years of age does not know they exist, they don't have a sense of self. They cannot even recognize themselves in a mirror.

Apes aren't equal to humans, but they are more intelligent than a fetus.

use your brain

>>3831

Morality isn't temporal. If you want to base your morality on age or potential intelligence, we can begin by executing all severely retarded humans. They will never have superior intelligence to an ape.

no, but you can't deny the resemblance

>>3829

>A human child under two years of age does not know they exist, they don't have a sense of self. They cannot even recognize themselves in a mirror.

So you think people under two years of age should receive no protection under the law because they are young. I suppose you also think the elderly or disabled should be "euthanized" when they are of no benefit to society. My brother suffered a stroke after working on electrical equipment and suffered massive brain damage. He was paralyzed, unable to speak, unable to indicate anything. Doctors said he might not recover at all, and that recovery might be severely limited. In fact he recovered almost 90% after relearning how to move, speak, and function, found a wife, got married, and now has two children within several years of his stroke. As you would have it my brother might have been killed because of his disability. As you would have it the elderly would be killed, and as you have it children are killed.

>Apes aren't equal to humans, but they are more intelligent than a fetus.

One is an animal and the other is a human child made in the image of God. You actually are the one who should be treated like an animal because you have the moral capacity of one.

>>4141

>I pointed out the hypocrisy in protecting animals from one species and ignoring the others.

Animals should be treated well but I don't think human beings are animals. Human beings are spiritual creatures with physical bodies. The Bible says, however, that when people become reprobate God takes away their capacity for spiritual repentance and they do become like unto an animal spiritually. As a dog returns to his vomit, so the sodomite will return to his sin.

>Congratulations on your brother. My uncle had a similar accident, and he was not so lucky. We had to pull the plug in June.

I'm sorry for your Uncle. My brother happened to be saved. My Mom was the first to respond to the call that he was having a stroke and she was given the choice whether to send him to the nearest hospital or to a larger hospital farther away. She chose the larger hospital; in that hospital just happened to be a man who had been trained with a new experimental medical procedure which saved my brother's life.

>So imagine testing dangerous drugs on two year olds and caging them in laboratories. Why is that bad? Because they are two? If your only answer is "because they aren't humans" you best have a good long look in the mirror.

I'm not advocating animal testing but animals aren't afforded the same rights as a human being. Animals are for food, for example; people are not for food. This is not a distinction that needs to be blurred. Humans are not animals.

>That is depressing. Their biggest issue is whether or not they can kill a fetus?

They have unconscious spiritual motivations, just like supposed white nationalists who can't help but advocate for abortion in white countries. The decision is made first, only secondly do they think of ways to rationalize it.

>>4237

I'll go through the first couple of examples. Doubtless it just involves you not understanding the Bible.

>2 Sam. 23:8 These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time.

>Adino the Eznite

>1 Chronicles 11:11 And this is the number of the mighty men whom David had; Jashobeam, an Hachmonite, the chief of the captains: he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time.

>Jashobeam, an Hachmonite

These are two different chief captains.

Disproven.

Look if you can't even get the first one right I'm not going to bother going through the rest.

>>4269

>The two passages claim that two different men were David's chief of captains and slew different numbers of people.

David reigned for forty years as king. Do you honestly think that its ridiculous that he had more than one chief captain? You're the dense one.

>Slew 800 men at one time with only a spear. Sounds perfectly real.

Have you ever read the accounts of the Spanish conquests of Central America? Battle of Cajamarca? Of course not. Spanish had 106 infantry, 62 cavalry, four cannons, and 12 harquebuses. "Atahualpa's warriors were veterans of his recent northern campaigns and constituted the professional core of the Inca army, seasoned warriors who outnumbered the Spaniards more than 450 to 1 (80,000 to 168)." Spanish slaughter 8,000 Inca and are impeded only by nightfall from routing out the rest. That's an average of fifty kills per Spaniard, who were thousands of miles from homing fighting against veteran enemy warriors. Most of the 8,000 were slain with the sword as the Spanish heavy cavalry chased down the fleeing enemies.

Now it isn't hard to imagine the mightiest man of an ancient army slaying hundreds of enemy men, especially considering that many of those might have been hungry peasant farmers and not professional soldiers.

>>3450

I think it's important that individuals have a recognized ownership of themselves. In the creation of another, I don't think it's a matter of violating a moral ethos but one concerning pragmatism. I don't find anything wrong with abortions, as I largely see them as actions taken in concern for one's future.

>>4237

>he's so fucking stupid he posted this image

http://www.thomism.org/atheism/atheist_logic.html

>>4280

>>4279

>>4281

>insults with no substance

>page of satirical arguments

>abridged book discussing three people I never mentioned

Wew out in full force today aren't we christfags.

>>4340

yep it's time to shill hard while /politics/ is youg

>>4341

At least you are honest. Well, you have a containment board for a reason, please go back.

>>4276

>the spear would break

Such assumptions without evidence. The chief captains are obviously going to have very well maid weaponry and armor, and he may indeed have had more than one spear.

>Being on the frontline of any ancient battle, even against peasants, was near suicide.

Not if you were an excellent and well-armored soldier.

>Let's say that each engagement lasted an average of one minute, which is on the fast side for an organized fight.

This isn't fistfighting. Each engagement probably lasted an average of three seconds after he stabbed them in the neck with a spear.

>So, yes, if that war chief was immortal, had infinite energy and an unbreakable spear, he could accomplish that feat. Otherwise, it is beyond the realm of human possibility.

All these assumptions. Just like you assumed that two different chief captains with different names and places of origin were the same person.

Atheists are just blind to the word.

>>4276

Your argument basically boils down to:

>"I'm an unathletic fag and everyone else must be too!"

>>3542

I agree with this except on the incest point. A child from a close relationship like a brother or sister in a family with few genetic defects and no incest in the past is will be much less at risk than a child born from a woman over the age of 30.

One change I would make to the abortion law if I had the power is that all aborted children must be eaten by the mother or they face imprisonment. I think it's easy to see the beneficial implications of such a change.

>>4354

>A child from a close relationship like a brother or sister in a family with few genetic defects and no incest in the past is will be much less at risk than a child born from a woman over the age of 30.

Close incest between siblings ought to be illegal just for moral reasons but marrying a cousin is fine and dandy and legal in my state.

>One change I would make to the abortion law if I had the power is that all aborted children must be eaten by the mother or they face imprisonment. I think it's easy to see the beneficial implications of such a change.

They already use aborted babies in skin care products. I don't think eating them is a big step

>>4361

Shit... wrong picture. Oh well. Have a lady.

>>4361

>Christians are blind to history

That's a foolish thing to say, since we archived it and rediscovered it.

Confirmed atheists are full of themselves.

>>4369

Well if that is all you have to say I think we are done.

>since we archived it and rediscovered it.

>we

You had nothing to do with it, neither did their Christianity. They were the most powerful cultural institution at the time, so naturally they did the recording (and altered many of the manuscripts to support their history in the meantime).

The world is thankful for their diligence, however.

>>4380

that's why arabs (in the peninsula) are dumb as fuck and look like each other.

>50 million

Oy vey, you aren't suggesting that 50 million is a larger number than six million, are you, goy? Remember the six million, goy! SIX MILLION!

>>4418

Pakistanis in Britain are 30% of all children born with birth defects.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

>Since that time, there have been approximately 55,772,015 abortions that have destroyed the lives of unborn children.

Since that time, there have been approximately 55,772,015 abortions that have saved fetuses from a life of misery in a family that doesn't want them.

>>3450

Abortion is murder. Arguing for it because many african americans die from it is not a good argument for it.

>>3450

Abortion is bad.

But having an unwanted child is worse!, for both the parent(s) and the eventual child.

Pragmatism dictates that abortion be legal and available.

>>13525

>cont.

and unwanted children are bad for the economy and are a burden on the planet - ie bad for everyone.

>>3450

Abortion has saved the United States from 17 million blacks being born.

What would that work out to? 50 or more cities like Detroit, Camden, and East St Louis?

Ozymandias, I'm not talking about you, you're a good guy.

>>13525

I agree with this post. Abortion will occur anyway even if you criminalize it as well

>>3821

If you're basing the value of life on intelligence then you can't eat most animals. Life is not based on intelligence, it's based on kin. I have more in common with an arabic baby than a great ape.

>>13528

It's mostly evangelicals and other 'religious' types who are against abortion.

I think they are a lead anchor around the political discourse in our country, their moralistic bullshit causes them to support a lot of policies that are terrible for the country, like banning abortions and supporting amnesty.