>US will spend 43 million dollars on a gas station in the middle of nowhere in the desert in afghanistan>$7000 coffee makers>$600 toilet seats>$37 for A screw>$435 for a hammer>$285 screwdriver>$387 flat washer>$469 wrench>$214 flashlight,

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Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 18:03:48 d9507c No.5608

>US will spend 43 million dollars on a gas station in the middle of nowhere in the desert in afghanistan

>$7000 coffee makers

>$600 toilet seats

>$37 for A screw

>$435 for a hammer

>$285 screwdriver

>$387 flat washer

>$469 wrench

>$214 flashlight,

>$437 tape measure

>$2,228 monkey wrench,

>$748 pair of duckbill pliers

>$74,165 aluminum ladder

>$659 ashtray

>$1,118.26 for a spare plastic cap for a navigator’s stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents)

>Defense Accounting Finance Service writes $22 billion in checks every month

>Mark Krenik (pentagon officer) created a phony company and then billed himself $504,000. He had to repay the money, but was not sentenced to prison. Probation only, and a $495 fine. He told the federal judge that he did it because everyone else in his section was doing to the same, but he was not required to name names.

>Sgt. Robbie Miller convicted and sent to prison for stealing $1 million. would not have been caught but was involved in affairs with female co-workers. Agents say they got Miller when he was hauling evidence out of the office to burn it.

>Contractors were billing $300 a night hotel rooms, private jet flights, meals at five star restaurants and bar bills to the government.

>Air Force non-commissioned officers like Miller, who handle giant

accounts at Dayton, call any vendor account that is less than $100,000

“budget dust” and say it’s not worth the time or effort trying to

recover.

>hundreds of billions into stupid wasteful trash every year

>monsanto claims it needs to genetically modify our crops and use pesticides because it helps make the world a better place

>has the biggest and most expensive military and military budget in the entire world that makes the nasa budget look like pocket change in comparison

>claims space travel is too expensive

>claims they can't afford a living wage

>claims they can't give war veterans all the help they need as t.v. commercials go on and on with sad country music with vets missing arms and legs "help the veterans!"

>claims they can't cure Cancer/HIV/Ebola/ as the pink ribbon shows up on KFC chicken buckets everywhere that contain cancer causing ingredients

>claims they can't afford universal health care

>claims they can't house every homeless person

>claims they can't grow all crops organically

>claims they can't feed the poor unless the people themselves donate food, time, and money.

>claims people absolutely must pay taxes because otherwise they would go to jail for making the country crumble apart in failure.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=96;t=000012;p=0

http://www.wnd.com/2000/10/4314/

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-30/news/vw-18804_1_nut

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

DailyFail: https://archive.is/RnMCc

Fox: https://archive.is/ZhRPL

BostonHerald: https://archive.is/ojJ6p

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 18:04:28 d9507c No.5609

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capitalism is technically "money" "ism" basically capitalism is in a way a religious belief in- and false idol worship of capital and/or currency.

capitalism as a system as a whole is simply a slightly better disguised version of "wage slavery" that has been designed from the ground up to be a system that is easily manipulated by those few people at the top who hold more money than everyone else in the world combined.

>The cure to BAD regulation is GOOD regulation, not NO regulation; that just leads to cartels and you're right back where you are now. Regulatory capture fools so many young libertarians into thinking that regulation itself is inherently bad when what you need is regulation to keep the free market free and break up cartels.

Of course the solution is without a doubt NOT anarchy, however:

>The solution to everyone finding loopholes in everything and breaking the rules by getting around all the rules

>is to make more rules

capitalism as a system itself is flawed. currency, money is flawed.

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 18:04:52 d9507c No.5610

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to be sure everyone understands:

>I am Jewish

>I am Against Zionism

>I am Against Capitalism

>I am PRO Libertarian

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 19:51:35 48e471 No.5619

>>5608

Kant was an idiot who attacked reason and gave rise to the post-modernist bullshit including suing schools for refusing to let a man into a women's changing room to peep.

"Law and freedom without force" is a starry-eyed impossibility which invariably devolves int "Force without freedom and law".

Without enforcement of law you have no law, people will blatantly break it and with no common agency for enforcement they will do it with impunity.

Any individual efforts to enforce the "law" (vigilantism) are by their nature contrary to basic principles of justice and basically further breaches of "law".

ancap is a bullshit ideology based on thoroughly ungrateful ignorance as to just how fundamental government is to the maintenance of commerce, order, and justice.

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 20:18:35 7dcff7 No.5634

Good luck living under feudalism, mon-amie

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 20:43:08 4f447f No.5647

>>5634

>Feudalism

You mean the system under which nobles bound people by law and governmental force to keep them from properly applying their labor for better wages?

From a previous thread where this nonsense was spouted...

>And anyone that thinks [Liberty] leads to feudalism is a fucking idiot with no knowledge of history. Serfs were confined to properties, essentially becoming slaves paid a meager wage. And you know what was about to save them? Europe's growing wealth and a shortage in the labor market due to the plague. Market forces were pushing serfs out of these systems and into higher wages. The nobles, who had a good thing going waving their birthright in people's faces, legally mandated their delusions of superiority over the working class by forcing them to work via government coercion.

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 22:59:38 d9507c No.5673

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>>5619

why are you making all these assumptions and attempting to derail the thread by attacking kant who was only used as an example to outline a better understanding of anarchy when the point is that this has NOTHIGN to do with anarchy?

>>5634

who said anything about feudalism? why are you making assumptions?

>>5647

and who are you? and why are you feeding their nonsense and almsot appearing to act in their defense yet you criticize them?

Did any of you even read any part of the thread in full detail? If you read any of it I'm sure all of your comments would have been completely different. May I ask why you made an effort to post if you were not going to make an effort to read the OP? The only thing I can think of is that you were motivated to derail the threads topic for other reasons, or is that something you didn't want me to know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS9olPA2BK0

Anonymous 11/06/15 (Fri) 23:54:20 74af5b No.5677

>>5608

I used to be outraged by shit like this.. Now I'm just jealous I'm not on the right side of it.

Don't you wish you could get some screwdriver and make it up 1,000% and pocket the profit?

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 03:02:35 076326 No.5694

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>>5647

>>5673

Tell me, in an anarchist society, is someone free to destroy freedom? Is slavery and the rule by force and opression allowed? If so, how is this a system of freedom, and if not, what is there to prevent this outcome?

If you want to live in a system of freedom, that is the state of nature, and its only a matter of time before someone with a bigger stick than you comes and steals all your shit.

If you want to live in a system of liberty, that is the Social Contract and a system of small government, where there is something in place to protect freedom from those that wish to destroy it.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 06:37:04 d9507c No.5708

>>5694

>shills don't read threads, they only reply with stupidity and disinformation

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 07:07:26 076326 No.5709

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>>5708

>"he disagrees with me, therefore he is a shill"

> "he didn't read through my 3 large posts and 3 huge fucking image macros with a fine-toothed comb, therefore he replies with stupidity and disinformation"

What a pity: I was really, really hoping this board wouldn't end up like /pol/...

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 07:22:38 08f4a7 No.5710

>>5709

all anarchists are retarded to some degree. If they want anarchy, they can move to Iraq or Syria, but no, they are pussies, they would rather enjoy the government provided protection and shitpost about anarchism in image boards.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 07:28:25 08f4a7 No.5711

>>5610

>I am Against Zionism

Tell us more. Is this because of religious beliefs? Or a moral stance?

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 07:34:39 076326 No.5712

>>5710

They remind me of the first Bolsheviks: "here's this band new system that's 'never been done before' and can't possibly fail. What's the worst that could happen?"

I hope that, when the anarchists revolution comes, at least the people 100 years from now will have examples of how the whole idea is bunk

>>5711

I'd postulate that it's either "muh brown people" or "its too capitalist."

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 08:33:22 4f447f No.5714

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>>5694

>is someone free to destroy freedom?

Theoretically no, practically possible

>Is slavery and the rule by force and oppression allowed?

Theoretically no, practically yes.

>If so, how is this a system of freedom, and if not, what is there to prevent this outcome?

An anarchist society is a world without rulers, not a world without rules. There is technically no punishment except feedback from your environment if you decide to destroy someone else's freedom. Likewise, while many anarchists may see it as a violation of their principles, there's technically nothing stopping someone from voluntarily selling themselves into slavery.

Rulers by their very definitions use force and oppression to maintain their positions of power. Anarchy is about a mindset that is inherent in human beings (a moral philosophy so to speak) moreso than it's a political ideal.

Despite all the ranting and raving, the statist would have you believe that somehow, somewhere, the threat of government force is keeping an asshole in check. What said statist fails to realize is you can have all the institutions of government handled privately and voluntarily, and that in the process a counter culture forms that is inherently anti-statist because it works.

We don't have to prove anything though. A parallel system to government is being created right now via peer-to-peer technology and stronger encryption that makes it increasingly harder for the government to interfere in one's private life. Effectively we've created an anarchist society right under the nose of government, and if peer-to-peer illegal trade is anything to go by, it's far cheaper, safer, and superior to the statist alternatives.

I'd suggest all statists do a little reading on Hans-Hermann Hoppe before coming to conclusions about what we support: https://www.lewrockwell.com/author/hans-hermann-hoppe/

https://mises.org/profile/hans-hermann-hoppe

>>5712

Getting real sick and tired of that bullshit "hurr never tried durr" response, anon.

We have direct proof of it working effectively on multiple occasions, in multiple forms, sometimes for thousands of years. When most empires are measured in lifespans of 300 years, a thousand is a pretty damned good track record as far as I'm concerned.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 09:29:55 6121d5 No.5717

>>5709

not an argument

>>5694

>>5710

he said he wasn't an anarchist you fool: >>5673

>this has NOTHIGN to do with anarchy

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 09:31:58 f615da No.5718

>>5714

The problem you appear to gloss over is that anarchy will always become a state or centralized institution. Always. Forever. I just want to imprint this on you because you seem to have some weirdly trusting views on humanity at large.

All you can really do is try to lessen the damage by having smaller institutions that would ultimately attempt to thwart the larger ones. The "old" American-style government system worked wonders. How do you think they became the big super-power they are today? It had little to do with a government budget, at least at first.

All you seem to care about is modern-day systems. Your little ebin meme picture tells the whole story. Modern-day systems are all corrupt in one way or another. To think that simply getting rid of them is better is a dream best left to children with little understanding of history and the actual machinations behind it all.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 11:50:24 48e471 No.5723

>>5714

Sorry, since you have no government and therefore no court system and police to compel the school to serve you, the school has taken your ancap bucks and told you to fuck off.

If you attempt to recover the money, the school's well-armed "defense force" will slaughter you and your family.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 11:53:58 08f4a7 No.5724

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>>5723

>ancap bucks

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 12:38:17 08f4a7 No.5725

>>5714

>via peer-to-peer technology and stronger encryption

what does this have to do with anarchism? and you realize without government there would be no internet? Only small internetworks, nothing like the internet. You need a to secure a connection path from your location to the outside world. Good lucking doing that in an anarchist society.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 13:42:23 4f447f No.5727

>>5723

Yes, because those models are 'totally unsustainable. It's the threat of your strong centralized authority that never even bothers to look into that school's actions that keeps them in line. How could I have ever forgot the state cock sucking ritual before I can do anything of value? It's almost as if people were never able to privately go to school or learn outside state curriculum!

If It wanted to talk to retards I would've gone over to /pol/.

>>5718

>Makes a few blanket statements

>Mot even good blanket statements because there are legitimate examples in history showing he's wrong

>Claims superiority over fake examples

Let me imprint this on you because your entire ideas are flawed. People don't need to listen to a handful of gangsters and thugs in order to play nice, and there are documented examples of this being the case. If anything, the burden of proof isbon government to prove its necesity when people are able to do things privately just fine.

>>5725

Why do you dumbasses always, without a shadow of a doubt, believe infrastructure magically vanishes or deteriorates? Just because thete isn't some man in a suit stealing your money doesn't mean everything goes to shit. When you realize people get along just fine before you throw governments into the equation, we can possibly have this conversation.

Peer-to-peer technology is largely much harder or nearly untraceable. It's microcapitalism that ignores all the regulations that government likes to force on business. It's pretty damn cool stuff, too. Take bitcoin for example. It's a peer-to-peer service with a value that has more worth than our US dollar via its strong encryption. The government virtually can't track it unless you're an idiot, it's completely anonymous unless you don't want it to be, and it's been used in online trade since I was in my teens. There are even bitcoin atms beginning to pop up around the world. It also happens ti be an anarchist invention for parallel systems.

According to all three of you, Silk Road (and those sites that followed) should have been unstable because no gubment. Instead it saved the skin of thousands of people who would have had to have bought shitty drugs off the streets. Like it or not, anarchist solutions work.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 13:52:54 4f447f No.5729

>>5727

God fucking damn I hate typing on this shitty touchscreen.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 14:09:38 08f4a7 No.5731

>>5727

>without a shadow of a doubt, believe infrastructure magically vanishes or deteriorates?

If it doesn't vanish or deteriorate, people will charge you a fortune to not cut the cables (or block/jam the signal the wireless connection) linking you to the outside world. If you don't near the border, you are fucked, if live near the border you are fucked too because foreigners will fuck you on regular basis.

As for bitcoin, all transactions are logged, which is fine when done anonymously until you try to cash them (sell for fiat) or use them for something that can be linked to you.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 15:50:43 f994d2 No.5737

>>5608

And they said jews were good with money

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 16:00:33 9a2763 No.5738

>>5731

And of course, if you "band together with your neighbors" to prevent such abuses and form a mutual defense pact... well.. guess what?!

By definition that is... *drumroll*

Government!

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 16:26:47 08f4a7 No.5745

>>5738

lol exactly

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 18:55:37 d9507c No.5751

>>5709

like I said, if you didn't read anything and you make a stupid reply that has nothing closely related to the main topic and you truly believe that it does, you have made a wacky mistake in logic.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 18:56:37 d9507c No.5752

>>5710

hue hue I didn't read the thread I just reply like an idiot

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 18:57:15 d9507c No.5753

>>5711

>I am Against Zionism

>Tell us more. Is this because of religious beliefs? Or a moral stance?

I thought I explained it in the image?

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 18:58:15 d9507c No.5754

>>5714

don't feed the shill anon

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 19:00:28 d9507c No.5755

>>5725

anon, don't feed the shills. they know the OP topic has nothing to do with anarchism. the main image is even about shills intentionally trying to spin off libertarianism AS anarchy to confuse people. that's what they keep trying to do in this thread.

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 19:02:14 d9507c No.5756

shills pretend to be idiots that didn't read the topic: the thread

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 20:46:30 f615da No.5764

>>5727

>there are legitimate examples in history showing he's wrong

What like tribes? Yeah, they are terrific man. They invented the internet and computers donchaknow?!

Anonymous 11/07/15 (Sat) 20:54:16 48e471 No.5766

>>5756

OP was an ancap bullshit infographic

Also.."shill".. uh yeah, containment board please >>>/pol/

Anonymous 11/08/15 (Sun) 18:07:48 d9507c No.5843

>>5766