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 No.6613

An ancient and powerful God of politics arises from the abyss between dimensions and offers you a choice between two different worlds with two different prevailing political ideas.

WORLD ONE:

Socially traditional. Patriarchal, abortion is illegal, sodomy carries the death penalty, and there is strict obedience to the Church's rule.

BUT unlike you'd expect, this system is a worldwide system. There is a worldwide Christian fundamentalist theocracy (What denomination? A made up one; doesn't matter), in which there is a brotherhood of all men, and all races mingle freely and there is a system of completely open borders, because a world state has been established.

WORLD TWO:

Socially liberal/libertarian. There are equal rights for women and gays, and free love is in place culturally. Abortion is easily available, and there is legal equality among the sexes. All sorts of degeneracy is allowed.

However, unlike what you'd expect, this state is for whites only and it has completely closed borders and has repelled all non-whites, creating a racially homogeneous society.

...

Now, assume that all other things about these worlds are equalized, and that they have strong prosperous economies of whichever type you prefer.

Just going off the stated differences, which world do you choose if forced to make a choice?

Do you choose nationalism without social moralism, or internationalism with social moralism?

 No.6614

First choice because with a world government welfare would either be abolished, (non-whites would have little reason to migrate,) or they would receive welfare in their home places of origin (no reason to migrate either).

Also, the second option is Brave New World-tier society. I would prefer seeing some non-whites here and there than orgy-porgy madness.

I'm not a fan of one-world governments however.


 No.6615

>>6614

This.


 No.6622

>>6613

First choice.

You need to understand that immigrants and shit isn't a problem at all if everyone is expected to follow the same social norms. Only in a socially liberal society it becomes a problem because cultural differences act in a dividing matter, making society more dysfunctional because it's fractured.

Also, I may tolerate internationalism (even though I'm very much in favour of a confederate system with small state government and more power to local communities), but social liberalism cannot result in anything else but ride to complete decadence, which will destroy nations, no matter how homogeneous they are.


 No.6624

>>6622

>immigrants and shit isn't a problem at all if everyone is expected to follow the same social norms

to be fair, the're an eyesore too


 No.6628

>>6613

>this state is for whites only

I'm not white, so you're really only giving me one choice.

>>6622

>liberal society

Political correctness and shit like letting migrants get away with crimes isn't liberal in the traditional sense.


 No.6633

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>>6613

What you forget is that with world two, just because equality exists doesn't mean it has to be practiced. Part of being a Libertarian world is the right to discriminate which creates a survival of the fittest where those who get frequent abortions. Without the right to discriminate, you can't call it a "libertarian" world, faggot.

Now with the right to discriminate in place, while you can suck a bag of dicks all day 'erry day, hospitals will deny you service for being a fag while the ones that will accept you still have an incentive to charge double the rates because they're the only one that accepts you. Suddenly your AIDs medication, no longer covered by the government dime, costs a shit ton of money since after 50 years of this Lolbertarian paradise, only homogenous traditional families survived. That means the hospitals are fully aware that only degenerates need the medicine, eliminating competition since it's a niche market, and allowing them to charge out the wazoo since degenerates need it to survive (or at the very least to make life a lot less painful for them). Abortion is easily available, but you have to pay out of pocket for it, meaning cheap sluts can't afford it and get burdened down with their kids, keeping them from taking the D every which way. On the bright side, the costs of common practices like kidney transplants or hip replacements now cost a fraction of the price because individuals have a direct relationship with their doctors/hospitals, and said doctors/hospitals offer personalized insurance. Cat girls are on the horizon, and genetic medicine is already used to treat numerous diseases that you would never imagine since hospitals are competing to create new procedures to help people, hiring Uni students to conduct said research in the process. Speaking of which, since Women's Studies has no real world value, it's been dropped from the Uni programs almost completely outside of one or two niche schools in California or New York. Trade skills are extremely popular, and parents enjoy teaching their kids numerous things since they now have a 20 hour work week (unless they want to work more) due to automation. Hell, in some cases the parents home school their children or at least have a personal relationship with the teacher that exceeds public schooling by numerous standard deviations. Competition between schools ensures that prices stay low, and children receive a wholesome Christian education (including evolution, before some faggot tips his fedora). Women are allowed to work in the workforce, but do so because they want to rather than because they need to.

Since we're talking Libertarian and not Voluntarist, there might even be a universal basic income in place.

That's your world #2. Read some Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/author/hans-hermann-hoppe/

As for world one? I enjoy watching them struggle to have the state fix everything for them before realizing that Christ was an anarchist (or at least to a large degree a Libertarian). After all, if there's one lesson that y'all should have gotten from the Bible, it's that man is an imperfect being, so why do you trust his judgment to be perfect when used on a collective?


 No.6637

internationalism without morality


 No.6641

>Do you choose nationalism without social moralism, or internationalism with social moralism?

I think this article sums it up

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm

Morals where they exist should be for some benefit or another. Obviously Gov 1's moralism failed to do its job.


 No.6646

>>6633

Shit bro you need to learn how to make paragraphs.


 No.6647

>>6633

That's why it says "CULTURALLY libertarian", as a synonym for social liberalism.

Stop trying to twist the hypothetical to suit you, otherwise there's no point.

The idea is that this world is culturally that way, so all the people around you WON'T discriminate, and you'll have to live surrounded by blacks and so on.


 No.6648

>>6647

Also, whose bright idea was it to force us to use flags?


 No.6649

>denomination

Get out prots, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

A worldwide Catholic theocracy is the only morally permissible government.


 No.6651

>>6649

>Catholic theocracy

>Not an Orthodox theocracy

The pope is a tyrant masquerading as the head of the church when he's nothing but a first among equals.


 No.6664

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>>6648

this

its a divide and conquer tactic at best. hurr durr yer flag cuz i cant argument or debate :DDDDDD


 No.6667

>>6664

I can apparently have no flag even though it wasn't letting me before.

JIMWHEELS! FIX UR SITE!


 No.6689

>>6649

>>6651

The current pope is a libertarded cunt with ominous prodigia (gull and raven, John Paul II crucifix crushes man) to prove his incompetence, which is already pretty apparent from his populistic and ecumenistic behavior, and his very nickname: "the People's Pope". A people's pope is not God's pope, not the pope of absolute Truth and not the pope of absolute Justice.


 No.6695

>>6648

You can still use the "*No flag*" option like I do.


 No.6696

>>6651

>implying the orthodox church isn't catholic

They're called the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox Catholic Church.


 No.6702

>>6696

You're getting the order backwards and implying the supreme rule of the pope. I have never heard an orthodox refer to themselves as the "Orthodox Catholic Church."


 No.7566

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>>6613

>Chose world two.

>All sort of degeneracy is allowed.

Dose that constitues for what they consideder degernerate or what the person that makes the choice?


 No.7582

Two. You said liberal/libertarian so I'm going to assume you mean classic liberals rather than "

progressives". Fuck yeah, freedom baby.

In a libertarian/classical liberal paradise you Christfags can still praise Jesus and call people faggots. Classic and modern liberals are two very different groups of people.




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