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9aae3a No.6635

In what circumstances do you think restriction of speech is justified, a good idea or a bad idea?

What is the nature of the restriction?

9ebb73 No.6638

Absolutely none whatsoever. No aspect of society is more important than free expression. For that matter, no legitimate aspect of society that has been used as justification for stifling free expression has ever actually been threatened by it.


89bf02 No.6639

>>6635

>In what circumstances do you think restriction of speech is justified

Define speech.

If you mean the act of speaking, then obviously never.

If you're referring to speech in the sense of a form of communication (including gestures, words, and everything inbetween), I think a justification can be made for restricting speech that, in modern legal definitions, is defined as assault.

E.G. Anything short of raising your fist to strike someone could be considered free speech.

Obviously your messages you convey will reflect on you in the future.


7db8da No.6642

Almost all advication of censorship is either motivated by

1. The establishment has something to hide(Anti Holocaust Denial laws)

2. Irrational butthurt about something(Mohamud Cartoons, lolicon, rape jokes)

I wont say there's never going to be a time when its a good idea, I've just never seen one.


d1c9b0 No.6643

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>>6642

>Anti Holocaust Denial laws

>not example of 2.


d1c9b0 No.6644

>>6635

Regarding OP's question, I'd say the only circumstance in which I could say restriction of speech is justified is when the speech in question is restricting freedom of speech of others. Not as in calling for restricting the freedom of speech, but by simply physically preventing others to voice their opinion. Example would be people yelling when someone has a speech/presentation, or en masse spam without content on forums/boards.

Freedom of speech shouldn't infringe the right to listen.


1f3ce2 No.6645

>>6644

>en masse spam without content on forums/boards

that doesn't sound very heh pilled


e44d6e No.6655

>>6635

Restriction of free speech is never justified. Ever.


89bf02 No.6656

>>6655

Do you consider actions or gestures to be a form of speech?

If yes, then there are exceptions. Raising your fist to attack someone can be seen as a gorm of speech, but I certainly wouldn't protect it.


b9fc04 No.6661

>>6635

>In what circumstances do you think restriction of speech is justified, a good idea or a bad idea?

/pol/ tbh unless they stop being so retarded. they are like the autistic kid who yells fire in a crowded theater


1f3ce2 No.6671

>>6661

>/pol/ should have their freedom restricted

m8. Do you know where you are?


10e40a No.6677

As a Britbong (whose government is trying to bring in 'extremism' laws which effectively ban speech deemed as 'extremist') I'm in two minds about this.

On the one hand, freedom of speech is obviously incredibly important. Your speech being against the law is a victimless crime. A free market of ideas is the best route to the best idea. Democracy is only as strong as the freedom for political parties to campaign. And so on; there are many convincing arguments in favour of it.

On the other hand, there is a serious danger from people like radical Muslim clerics in white Countries, or to a lesser extent 'militant' political groups like revolutionary anarchists/communists or Nazis. By allowing these groups to preach obvious hatred of the country they live in, we basically let a cancer grow inside of ourselves. I'm especially worried about radical imams (which the new Britbong law is said to mainly target) because Muslims follow them voraciously, like God-fearing Christian Europeans used to follow their priests. If even a few imams are 'radical', you could have tens of thousands of Muslims whose ideology becomes to destroy the society they live in. And, because white society is never so harsh or vitriolic back to Muzzies when they blow themselves up (see #NotAllMuslims and related shit), we will lose the fight if there is one.

My point is: perhaps we should ban speech that severely undermines our culture/society for our own preservation. But I really don't know where I stand on this.


7b7fd6 No.6679

>>6639

You can't just say "defined as assault" without defining assault. This is a slippery slope.

Do you mean speech that has the sole purpose of offending? Speech that EXPLICITLY incites violence as >>6677 has said?


7b7fd6 No.6683

>>6677

I wholeheartedly agree with you, even to the point of your own confusion. I can't think of a clear position to draw the line. How would we know whether someone is explicitly encouraging violence? Fellow muslims are not going to report this. Is surveillance the answer? Specifically targeting a certain group of people regardless of whether they are violent or not is going to get serious backlash. Don't even think about doing that to the rest of the country to 'even things out'.

It's almost too convenient, either let the retarded Islamists kill us or have the government push aggressive surveillance laws like the TPP, TTIP, or worse. This level of fear and terrror only makes people more emotional/irrational, making open discussion, or as you said, a 'free market of ideas' even more difficult to exist. People are slowly closing their minds and turning exclusively to things that reaffirm their beliefs. I'm talking about SJWs and Stormies here. It is as if society is being backed into a corner where we, if this continues, will be left with pre-selected outcomes, all of which will have a large compromise on our freedoms.


89bf02 No.6685

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>>6679

>You can't just say "defined as assault"

Yes I can.

Speech is not just words, retard. Gestures and actions are also define as speech.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/assault

http://bfy.tw/34L3

>1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause physical injury needs to exist, and no physical injury needs to result. So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

>2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

>3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.

>At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

>An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and Tort Law. There is, however, an additional Criminal Law category of assault consisting of an attempted but unsuccessful Battery.

>Statutory definitions of assault in the various jurisdictions throughout the United States are not substantially different from the common-law definition.

The law is quite clear about what assault is. Outside of SJW and Nazi havens where war is peace and freedom is slavery, assault has a very clear definition where "offensive" is known to directly mean "in a way meant to cause bodily harm."

Do you even law, brah?


89bf02 No.6686

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>>6683

>>6677

If your ideologies aren't able to stand up to criticism and "extremists," snd you have to resort to banning dissenting opinions (no matter how shitty the people spouting them are), then they didn't deserve to exist in the first place.


1f3ce2 No.6687

>>6686

>image

what if the victim is themselves?


89bf02 No.6688

>>6687

Refer to the chart. It states quite clearly.

Was the victim's life, liberty, or property endangered by their acts?


1f3ce2 No.6690

>>6688

according to the chart, cocaine should be illegal.

Cocaine violates the life of the user. That would be a crime.


10e40a No.6697

>>6686

This isn't just a matter of 'criticism'. Muslims aren't politely disagreeing with us.

Many liberties are seriously at stake that I want to preserve.

The right of Britbongs to life is seriously threatened and has been contravened many times by resident Muslims in acts of terror. Although successful attacks are rare, there are regular convictions for planned atrocities that more accurately paint a picture of how many Muzzies want to destroy us.

Basic women's rights will go down the shitter. They already have in Muslim households.

Freedom of speech, while it seems as though I am attacking it, would be a thousand times narrower under most Muslims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

A good example of all this is an actual Islamic political party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Party_of_Britain#Policies

http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/ipb-archive/policies/thepolicies.htm

>Morality is also an issue when concerned with the entertainment media, and it is deemed necessary for the welfare of society to take a strict stance against material of a pornographic or a violent nature. Islam provides these moral guidelines, and with education, society will see that rather than dictating what is lawful or unlawful, it is simply providing indication of what is harmful and of what is beneficial for humanity.

http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/ipb-archive/policies/religious.htm

> Whilst the debate between different religions is to be encouraged for the sake of seeking the truth, religions have to he protected from being exposed to vicious attacks and insults.

I hope it is clear that Islam is largely antithetical to freedom. Yet, with absolute freedom of speech. we are allowing this thinking to continually grow inside of our nation. With the Muslim birth rate, family and religious strictness, there is a serious danger in the near future of losing our freedoms.

I'd rather that the most virulent hatred of our country is stamped out before it grows to powerful levels. Thus, restrictions are required.


10e40a No.6698

>>6686

Also:

A farmer killing a cow for its beef is apparently a crime according to your lovely chart.

>Was there a victim?

Yes, the cow.

>Was the victim 'society'?

No.

>A crime has been committed.


d3834f No.6700

>>6690

Cocaine only violates the life of the user if you overdose, dumbass.


d3834f No.6701

>>6700

It's as if you've never done drugs before.


d3834f No.6703

>>6698

Glad to hear you think killing animals for fun shouldn't be illegal.


d3834f No.6704

>>6698

>>6690

Create your own chart if you have so many issues with it.


c8511c No.6705

1) An intentional, blatant lie, intended to cause immediate harm to another person, such as

>walk up to cop

>scream

>point at someone

>HE'S GOT A GUN

this to me should be considered an assault, not because of the speech itself, but because the speech was obviously intended to get that random guy killed. In essence, the problem is two fold:

1) You lied. That's acceptable by itself. Distasteful, but acceptable.

2) Your comment was intended to create a disturbance in which someone else would be harmed, IE, shot by a cop.

The only other things I feel should be restricted are specific and ongoing espionage operations. When they're over and no one is going to get killed over it and no wars started, you should be able to blab to the news all you want.

That is it, full stop. Things that are either untrue and intentionally reckless and intended to as directly as possible cause harm, and national secrets that could result in a loss of life.


89bf02 No.6707

>>6705

Would it get a person killed if society was changed?


89bf02 No.6708

>>6705

Not disagreeing with you, just asking if you believe this example would work if society was changed.

>When they're over and no one is going to get killed over it and no wars started, you should be able to blab to the news all you want.

Define over.

Hotwheels fix your shit!


10e40a No.6710

>>6703

>A farmer killing a cow for its beef

>killing for fun

Glad to know you can't read.


f68984 No.6731

>>6643

Thank you for your input, JIDF. Shouldn't you be resting during sabbath?




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