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I dislike neo-conservatism, but now that I think about it, I really don't know that much about what neo-conservatism really is.

>>7448

I don't see why anyone would hate Anarcho-Capitalism.

It's the most useless ideology ever and hardly anyone believes in it, including rich plutocrats.

>>7462

Exactly. That would be like saying I hate Jeb.

The only one I really hate is communism.

I believe that a political ideology can work depending on the culture/nation/will/history/needs of the people/nation.

Like I don't think any form of socialism really works for the US. It just creates a giant bureaucracy that imposes its will on many states that don't agree.

A republic is what I think works well for a nation as large as the US. There shouldn't really be any catch all laws for the entire nation. State laws should be king so that way people can micro manage their own state. Instead of having to worry about the laws created by the federal government that would hurt many states.

For smaller nations in Europe, some forms of socialism would work better. Or a monarchy. China needs to go back to their routes of dynastic rule.

Still kind of fleshing these ideas out, but I will stick with them.

>>7467

roots, not routes.

Progressivism.

I can sympathise with Fascists, Libertarians, hell, even Communists, but never with Progressives.

Marxism

National Socialism

Radical progressivism

Religious conservatism

Any ideology that enshrines racism.

Neoliberalism, although they're relatively close to libertarianism they disgust me; they're the reason people thinks libertarianism is all about muh free market.

Communism and its derivatives (e.g Juche,Maoism)

>>7518

AnCap. they make regular libertarians look like petulant children.

>>7448

What use is a threat if you're just going to say you hate something. Atleast explain why you hate it.

>>7562

>threat

thread

>>7448

>Least favorite political ideologies

all of them. keep arguing about things that dont matter as if youre going to do anything about it anyways.

retards

>>7448

>Least favorite political ideologies?

what I see on both /pol/ and /leftypol/. I call it "millennialism"

>>7593

isn't it just being edgy?

>>7448

White Supremacism (and any other Supremacism for that matter) because it's like saying a Ruler is better for measuring distances than a Protractor, and that Rulers should be proud of themselves for being made as Rulers.

I mean, no shit, rulers were designed to measure distance, so of course protractors aren't gonna work as well, and you shouldn't feel pride for something you personally (your consciousness) never did. I don't feel pride for the achievements my ancestors made because I DIDN"T ACHIEVE THEM!!!

Yes, I do share their genetics, plus minute amounts of mutation, but that doesn't change what happened in the past.

Respect your elders, don't take pride in them

>>7594

No, I will cut and paste something I just wrote on another board because it fits.

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As an oldfag, I can tell you the problem is the millennial generation, who have infected every ideology from communism to fascism to anarchy with their generational aversion to facts and logic, replacing it with idpol.

Millennial Communist: "I saw a man punch another man, that was such capitalism. Anyone who disagrees with me is a classcuck."

Millennial Nihilist: "My parents are a total spooks for kicking me out of their basement. When the revolution comes, there will be basements for all and nobody will have to work."

Millennial Fascist: "Everything I disagree with is Jewish."

….

I call this "word magic." It's like words suddenly hold magic power and a debate is won by repeating them enough rather than understanding their meaning and historical context.

It wasn't always like this. When I was a young lad, the majority of people on the Internet were engineers and computer scientists, and people at Uni pursuing either a degree in engineering or computer science. It was like a secret society where you could retreat from the retards of daily life, but now those retards have come here.

I pray for someone to invent an Internet that only sane, rational human beings can access. Of course what would happen is it would be immediately co-opted by SJWs, but alas a man can dream.

>>7594

>isn't it just being edgy?

But you are generally correct a contributing factor is that in the millennial generation, sincerity is uncool. Everything is snark and edge. How can one have and discuss serious ideology with such people?

Socialism in all its forms.

>>8535

REY, IS THAT YOU?

>>7516

Depends on whose progressives. If we're discussing 19th, 1900s-10s Progressives they fall in somewhere between all of those categories.

>>7519

Juche is a Natsoc derivative not that it changes you're opinion.

Yeah Nazism is probably my least favorite political ideology. Partly because of guys like this >>8535, partly because it's not politically stable.

Fascist here.

I hate most socialists (NatSocs also have their bad sides), and anarchists are the worst.

>le people want peace anyway meme

Yes, but niggers also want your shiny keychain and they are willing to slice you for it.

>>8755

>NatSocs have their bad sides

Just curious what do you think are their bad sides?

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Whatever /leftypol/ supports usually pisses me off.

Their systems are nice and work on paper and in small volunteer communities, but after several attempts to get them to explain their system and then attacking problems in the system as it was explained, I'm just met with responses about how much of a "classcuck" I am.

Authoritarians in general.

>>8755

People don't much care for peace, but their militant nature is only made worse by the state. A state, even one created with the best intentions, becomes nothing more than an instrument for one group to engage in violence against another.

>anarcho-capitalism

The most retarded form of hyper-moralist idealism, it is capitalist ideology taken to circular absurdity

>SJW'ism

Nazism in reverse, it's the same mindset with the nazi hierarchy being turned upside down.

>small government conservatives with that point as their main, and usually only tenet

The ideology of professional politicians that are little more than corporate stooges. Worse when dressed up as le constitution le liberty by the ron paul types.

>>8875

Violence went down with the advent of modern states fam. Your ideology is the result of state based hyper-civilization.

>>8880

Damn, some one beat me too it.

>>8880

Damn, some one beat me too it.

>>7564

Communism is a sociopolitical and economic theory.

>Radical Conservatives and Radical Democrats.

If you are implying what I think you are implying, nien.

>>8829

This is simply false.

Anarchist communities and other socialistic modes of production have been shown time and time again to be effective and autonomous modes of organization.

The CNT had over 1 million members all part of a decentralized network of workers unions, for example.

And I can site more.

>>7519

>>486432

Marxism actually seeks to achieve communism (A stateless, money-less, classless, society where workers have control over the means of production and private property has been abolished and replaced with personal property based upon occupancy and use)

While, I do not agree with Marxists (Specifically Leninist) on how to achieve communism. Marxism, as far as I no, is in no way a racist ideology.

>>8885

>muh capitalist theory of everything

And it calls itself a materialist.

Least favorite ideology is fascism with out a doubt.

>Dictatorial control over the means of production

>Rampant nationalism

>Privatization (even of government institutions)

>Suppression of left-wing politics and free-speech in general.

It's a pretty gross and reactionary ideaology.

>>8891

Every single action you take and preform in society is directly based upon the amount of money you receive via wages.

How is that not directly connected to capitalism in almost ever faucet of your existence?

I suppose I should be blaming the joos?

>>8893

Prove it.

You're being pretty idealist if you rule out jewish conspiring on the base that you see an underlying ideal form.

>>8894

>Prove it.

I don't need to provide evidence.

I have deductive reasoning

It is a fact that everything we do in society is based upon a system of wages.

I cannot obtain food, clothing, housing, transportation, entertainment, ect ect ect ect with out money.

It is a proof via deduction. Or are you mistaken that inductive proof is the only proof that exists?

>You're being pretty idealist if you rule out jewish conspiring on the base that you see an underlying ideal form.

No, I am not.

If the owner of the means of production is a christian, catholic, Muslim, Jew or not makes no difference to the fact that he has private ownership over the means of production and therefore exploits the working class by subsidizing the value of the working mans labor and returning 1/10th the total value of it.

Monarchy, there are no dumber people on this planet than monarchists. Bootlicking taken to the ultimate extreme.

Communism or any other "ism" rooted in modernism.

>>8897

You're completely ignorant of what monarchism is and what is more you support the biggest "bootlicker" system of all if your flag is anything to go by.

>>7448

why? if it is actually anarchist then it wont affect you

>>9003

That's nice. Monarchists are still dumb though.

>>9048

Care to elaborate?

>>8897

Monarchy is not absolutely bad. Monarchies tend to treat their countries well because they are their properties. They want it to be good, they want to show off. Take Egypt for example, last king who was deposed by the military left Egypt with 0 debt. Egypt used to lend out and aid European countries, now it has debt of +1-2 trillion EGP after decades of military rule. Cairo used to look like a European city. Now it's a shithole.

Look at gulf states, UAE is doing well. Kuwait is doing well. Every citizen gets house, gets paid when he has a child, get a salary during university, ..etc

>>8897

>>9077

Also lookup constitutional monarchy, which is implemented in Kuwait. They have a bad ass parliament

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy

>>9077

>>9065

Are we just going to ignore several thousand years of human history now? Call me an idiot but I don't want to be considered the property of some inbred retard who will get me and a few million other people killed because he thinks a neighboring state trampled on his rights. What incentive would a ruler have to not do this? Absolutely none, he can do whatever he wants. Autocratic rule is the most disgusting injustice in human history, it only exists as a tool for repression.

>>9081

You can reform the system to make it work better, that doesn't mean it's even remotely desirable.

>>8895

>I have deductive reasoning

It's called begging the question.

>If the owner of the means of production is a christian, catholic, Muslim, Jew or not makes no difference to the fact that he has private ownership over the means of production and therefore exploits the working class by subsidizing the value of the working mans labor and returning 1/10th the total value of it.

How does jews, christians and muslims all being employers rule out jewish conspiring?

>>9112

Daily reminder that the European monarchies are more stable than the south american and african republics.

>>7448

conservatives/moderates who attach the word libertarian to their political belief of the week

>>9112

Ah, you think Monarchy is synonymous with absolute rulership? I think it's time to start cutting yourself you little cunt.

How can you be so profoundly ignorant?

>Autocratic rule is the most disgusting injustice in human history, it only exists as a tool for repression

Repression in and of itself is not immoral- the purpose of the repression either is or isn't. Monarchy is very rarely autocratic too. Look at the monarchy of the United Kingdom.

> What incentive would a ruler have to not do this? Absolutely none, he can do whatever he wants

No, he can't. The other estates have always held great sway over foreign policy and other policies. Throughout history a monarchs attempt to wage war has often been retarded by barons, peasantry, clergy etc.

>Call me an idiot but I don't want to be considered the property of some inbred retard who will get me and a few million other people killed because he thinks a neighboring state trampled on his right

You're an idiot and you're embarrassing yourself, communist scum. The other social orders are not property of the Monarch. The land is and not even that in most systems. Your view of monarchial warfare is so disturbed I've gone numb in one foot.

>Are we just going to ignore several thousand years of human history now?

It seems like you are.

Genuinely embarrassed for you fam.

>>9455

this tbh

Socialism/Communism, including any bullshit PR labels they give themselves.

t. Balt

>>9460

>Ah, you think Monarchy is synonymous with absolute rulership?

Way to completely fail at reading my post, retard. I already acknowledged that monarchy doesn't have to be absolutist, it's just a useless institution either way.

>Throughout history a monarchs attempt to wage war has often been retarded by barons, peasantry, clergy etc.

Spreading out unaccountable power only makes violent tyranny more local in scale. There is no substitute for democratic accountability.

>>9691

>but the absolute worst ideology is neoliberalism

>... neoliberalism is the root of all the problems and absolute cancer ...

Care to explain?

>>9691

Neoliberalism is just another measure taken to temporarily preserve a broken system. Keynesianism kept the gravy train rolling for thirty years but it was bound to stop eventually.

>>9691

Talk about the Chicago Boy's disregard for property in many cases. I just sit here and wait.

Objectivism, anarcho-capitalism, libertarianism, corporatism, whatever you want to call it. Anyone who genuinely believes in this crap can count themselves among some of the stupidest most ignorant people alive. All you need to do to refute these insane ideologies is open a fucking history book. The entire story of of the first hundred or so years of capitalism is a lesson on the failure of the mythical idea of the free market.

Anarcho-Primitivism

>>9829

Some of the smarter ones are aware that people living under capitalism have almost always suffered appalling standards of living. Read Mises' essay on the Industrial Revolution, he doesn't deny what happened so much as he just makes excuses for the first capitalists. These people don't really matter anymore though. The Austrians served their purpose but they're no longer useful to the bourgeoisie, people just don't believe in the system like that anymore.

>>7518

At what point does racism begin for you though?

Is it the point were someone gets declared inferiour due to having a different variation of haplogroups and maybe a slight difference concerning climatic adaption.

Or does it already suffice to part ethnics into collectives and give them differing rights on designated ground due to historical claims or romantic preservationism.

I also hate most commis with a passion,

Anarchos who dont just fuck off onto some island or designated area the statists granted them mercifully along NrX scum, motherfucking Neoliberals and whatever ideology the EU comissioners are rallied under.

forgot to add white nationalists and naziboos who cant come up with an authoritarian protectionist ideology without clinging to the erronous past and keep ruining these attempts by swarming any fledling nationalist movements..

>>9991

The nation is eternal, you don't turn your back on your identity and heritage.

>>10265

I remember when I was a conservative. I would justify my hyper-nationalism on the grounds that people of different ethnicities can't live together peacefully in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary I saw on a daily basis. It was childish but I gained a keen understanding of how the right-wing mind works. Just do what you think feels right, reality be damned. If the world doesn't work the way you want it to then just keep lying until you believe the lies yourself. Ultimately the chief motivation is a fear of the future.

All brands of socialism from nazism to communism make me physically ill.

>>10286

Do you think you're one of the real conservatives like Peter Hitchens or something? I suppose there's some truth to that. I was never a conservative like that.

>>10296

I'll keep explaining this until everyone on the board gets it. Communism and socialism are the same thing. You should learn more about where socialism came from and maybe you won't be so historically illiterate.

I agree with OP.

>>10510

>I'll keep explaining this until everyone on the board gets it. Communism and socialism are the same thing.

You're the first commie I've ever met that actually admits this.

>>10539

Any lefty person who hasn't gotten over state-worship clearly has a few things to learn.

>>10623

Any communist who doesn't is using Lenin's warped definition. In the 19th century the two terms were used interchangeably.

>>8693

Juche is inherently maoist, and yes I'm too arrogant to have my opinion changed.

>>7462

I am a newfag, could someone explain to me the flaws in Anarcho-Capitalism?

>>7595

>Millennial Fascist: "Everything I disagree with is Jewish."

not true at all.