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addc18 No.8179

Ben Shapiro Swings At Trump

What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5dBzxKNOw

d11266 No.8180

Still voting for him due to his stances on trade and immigration.

I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of Ben's points. Trump just has to do and say whatever he can for the cuckservatie vote.


674dab No.8181

>>8180

Agreed. He also said long time ago he will run if other countries keep taking advantage of US. That's his core message. Abortion and other shit is really irrelevant.


71447f No.8183

Seems trump will have a hard time:

Group to Air Ads Featuring Ex-Students Saying Trump University Deceived Them

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/26/conservative-group-to-air-ads-of-ex-students-complaining-about-trump-university/?smid=tw-share

>“Please don’t fall for the same line that I fell for,” he says, adding of Mr. Trump, “He can make people believe, practically, anything.”

>“I spent about $30,000 on Trump University and, basically, all it did was ruin my credit and ruin my life,” he says, calling Mr. Trump “just a fraud, a misrepresentation.”


71447f No.8184

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71447f No.8185

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71447f No.8188

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969aa7 No.8189

>>8179

>What do you think?

I wish the video was sourced but other than that, I think it's pretty damning.

I mean, when Conservatives can dig a little bit and find many lies, imagine what Liberals are finding or will find.


454b06 No.8233

>>8179

Still gonna for Trump, however I'm not naive about what he's likely to accomplish, nor do I trust him. He's the best of the terrible choices, though I suspect we're going to end up with a "right wing" Obama

Ben still deserves the gas chamber


95ab53 No.8237

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. BUILD WALL!

> Evangelicals (aka Christcucks)

> Conservatives (aka Cuckservatives)

> "He's a winner" voters (aka nobody)

HAHAHAHA FAGGOT.

IT'S RACIALLY AWARE AMERICANS.


decf59 No.8298

>>8237

>implying a wall will work

Name a single wall on the border of a country in history that has effectively kept people out/in that country for an extended period of time.


969aa7 No.8300

>>8298

Regardless of the effectiveness of a wall, there is no assurance that the wall could ever be built.

Just because a President says "Imma gunna do this!" doesn't mean that a) it's legal b) it's constitutional c) the rest of the government will go along with it d) the courts will go along with it e) the people who own the land will go along with it f) it's actually affordable g) it'll be built in any quick time frame

etc etc etc

In the end...building the wall is not as cut and dry as Trump wants us to believe.


decf59 No.8301

>>8300

His plan for getting the wall built seems reasonable. here is a quote from his website "impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]."

The major problem in my eyes will be getting congress to go along with it, assuming that it can't be done with executive orders.

But I do think that Mexico will try and do the absolute bare minimum to complete it without getting fucked over.


969aa7 No.8302

>>8301

>His plan for getting the wall built seems reasonable. here is a quote from his website "impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]."

He's gotta get those bills to effect the changes passed, though.

>The major problem in my eyes will be getting congress to go along with it, assuming that it can't be done with executive orders.

Exactly, and then of course there would be lawsuits for days.

If trump went after executive orders after complaining about Obama's...hoo boy.

>But I do think that Mexico will try and do the absolute bare minimum to complete it without getting fucked over.

Mexico's largest source of foreign income is from Mexicans in the USA sending money to family/friends back in Mexico. They'll fight the wall and everything related to it tooth and nail.

I don't deny that (eventually) a wall could be built...but it'll be the most politically dividing thing ever accomplished if it is.


decf59 No.8304

>>8302

>If trump went after executive orders after complaining about Obama's...hoo boy.

From what I could tell from Trump's "First day in the white house" video, he wants to instantly remove almost all of Obama's executive orders then reinstate his own. Apparently, not since executive orders are bad, but because Obama's ones are bad.

Any backlash against any hypocrisy there would have already started.


3cc59b No.8305

>>8300

>what's Israeli West Bank barrier?

how does it feel to be retarded, m8?


3cc59b No.8306


decf59 No.8308

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>>8305

>>8306

That's so new that it hasn't even been completed yet. And they've had 14 years. Imagine how long it would take to build a wall across the mexico-us border (which is almost 5x as long).

Also, look at that thing. It looks like anyone with decent wire cutters could get through that, leaving it open until it gets repaired.

Thanks for the broken website crippple


decf59 No.8309

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>>8305

>>8306

That's so new that it hasn't even been completed yet. And they've had 14 years. Imagine how long it would take to build a wall across the mexico-us border (which is almost 5x as long).

Also, look at that thing. It looks like anyone with decent wire cutters could get through that, leaving it open until it gets repaired.

Thanks for the broken website cripple


3cc59b No.8310

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>>8309

That's not it. Lookup suicide attacks before and after the barrier.


decf59 No.8311

>>8310

Oh, you're right. Others might be able to, but I can't think of a counterargument against that. Thanks for bringing that stuff to my attention.


3cc59b No.8313

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>>8311

You are welcome. Israelis got watch towers with soldiers 24/7. I don't think mexicans would be more determinant and suicidal than Palestinians. Maxicans would either need to climb (their presence can be detected by humans or machines) or dig tunnel (if the wall goes deep, they would need to build tunnel not just dig, see pic or vid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6C_iBAC8M


95ab53 No.8375

>>8298

Works for Israel. The Berlin wall was also pretty effective.

Of course, the wall is mostly a symbol that America is serious about it. It only works as part of a wider project. The wall must be guarded, and people who hire or provide any assistance to illegals must be severely punished by the law.


969aa7 No.8377

>>8304

So he'll act exactly like Obama, but because he has an (R) instead of a (D) after his name, whatever he does is acceptable...

Gotta love party politics, right?


95ab53 No.8378

>>8377

People don't hate Obongo because muh executive order, it's his destructive policies. The executive orders only mean Obama is ruthless about it. So, America needs a president who is equally ruthless in undoing the damage.


95ab53 No.8380

>>8301

OTOH, I think it was silly for Trump to insist that Mexico will pay for the wall. Yes, maybe they are making a fortune, but Trump's policies are supposed to stop that, so what will Mexico get in return for paying for the wall? Maybe Trump is just using a door-in-the-face technique of negotiation. So, eventually he will say "okay, I'm reasonable, I won't make Mexico pay for it".


decf59 No.8382

>>8377

Same means, different ends.

>>8380

Read >>8301


95ab53 No.8385

>>8382

My point is, he'll have to let Mexico still have some of those sources of revenue, in exchange for paying for the wall. Why not just pay for the wall and cut off all of that?


969aa7 No.8386

>>8378

If the (R) actually ends up undoing the damage, that is.

Saying you're going to do a thing and that thing being effective are two different things of course.


95ab53 No.8391

>>8386

Yes, of course. But other candidates are either indifferent to the issue or openly hostile (like Obama) to right-wing, white Christian Americans, so it's worth giving him a try.


9e8ac1 No.8451

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>>8385

>Why not just pay for the wall and cut off all of that?

1) So critics and GOP candidates don't cry about muh tax payers money.

2) It makes him sound strong.

3) Paying less is always better.

4) He uses it a chance to discuss his protectionist policies that are not specific to Mexico.


95ab53 No.8453

>>8451

He could say instead "the cost of the wall is peanuts compared to the money we are losing to Mexico by not haviing a wall".


d31c3f No.8461

>>8453

He's a populist. He used to keep Hitler's speeches by his bed. The more he sounds like a fascist, the better. That's what the people want now. They recognize that their country is occupied.


decf59 No.8462

>>8453

The general public doesn't understand economics now. In Australia, where I am, people are complaining about a budget deficit when we're heading into a recession.

At least the way he's doing it, the wall eventually gets built, and the US doesn't feel as bad about how it's happening.


95ab53 No.8474

>>8461

You've seen my flag.. are you offering delicious Keynesian bait? :^)

I don't want to derail the thread, so let's not get into the alleged merits (or demerits) of deficit spending. There's something we can agree on, though, raising taxes during a recession is a horrible idea.


95ab53 No.8475

>>8474

Sorry, was meant to:

>>8462


4f493d No.8476

>>8474

>I don't want to derail the thread, so let's not get into the alleged merits (or demerits) of deficit spending. There's something we can agree on

some of the best discussions are off-topic discussions, don't hold back


95ab53 No.8488

>>8476

Well, ancaps tend to favor the Austrian business cycle theory as an explanation for the boom-bust economic cycles. This theory is not very popular among establishment economists, maybe because it basically tells the government to GTFO the banking business.

Some prominent figures of the Austrian school are Ludwig Von Mises and Murray Rothbard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_business_cycle_theory#Criticisms

The gist of the theory is that business cycles are not an intrinsic characteristic of free-market capitalism but a side-effect of (government-controlled) central banking.

The interst rate is a price (the price of borrowing money), which signals to investors how long-term their investments should be. In a free market,

when people restrict their consumption, they save money, which increases loanable funds, which in turn lowers the average interest rate, which leads to more investment in long-term projects. The whole process in consistent and sustainable because the investment projects are paid-for by lowered consumption levels.

With central banking, the government manipulates the interest rate, which leads to simultaneous high investment and high consumption, which leads to price inflation, an increase in wages and therefore in production costs, which makes many of those investment projects (such as housing or tech companies) far less profitable than they seemed. If the government steps in to rescue those failed projects, the malinvestments are not cleansed and the problem is perpetuated as massive national debt, at the expense of businesses who were less reckless in their investments.

The main fear of the US government is deflation, because it harms debtors and benefits creditors, and the US treasury is the biggest debtor. It would probably lead to US debt restructuring (ie, hard default), which may end the role of the US Dollar as a world currency and lead back to some form of international gold standard. On the other hand, deflation is exactly what is needed to heal the economy. It would cleanse the malinvestments and make America competitive again.

A similar reasoning applies to other contries, where the business cycle works in a similar way and is usually coupled to some extent with that of America.


6f7769 No.8511

>>8184

>TRUMP UNIVERSITY VICTIM


10a077 No.8518

>>8179

Y'know, I really wanna know what Trump is getting out of the Great Wall of Mexico deal.

Because from everything that the dude says, has done, and conducts himself, it's pretty obvious he doesn't give a shit about the average person, so stopping immigration 'cause "muh white, christian America" is laughable as a reason.

All his other policies are vague as fuck, as he's guaranteed to start World War III as much as Clinton would if elected.

Anyone got a source digging into Trump's background and finances? /pol/ used to be good for this, but they're sucking too much of Trump's dick now to be of any use.


decf59 No.8520

>>8488

I'm not too terribly enlightened in economics, only vaguely, why would deflation be a good thing? I thought it would discourage spending and encourage saving, which in turn would make businesses that don't deal in necessities make less profit, meaning that they'd need to fire employees and reduce costs to get sales.

>>8518

Why would he start World War if elected?


95ab53 No.8523

>>8520

> I'm not too terribly enlightened in economics, only vaguely, why would deflation be a good thing? I thought it would discourage spending and encourage saving, which in turn would make businesses that don't deal in necessities make less profit, meaning that they'd need to fire employees and reduce costs to get sales.

I'm no expert either, and experts often disagree on this topic (even those of the same economic school), but here's a nuanced discussion of deflation from an Austrian perspective:

https://mises.org/library/anatomy-deflation

Notice that the author makes a clear distinction between monetary contraction and price deflation (which he calls "falling prices" to avoid confusion), which can be caused by increased productivity rather than by monetary contraction.

A few quotes from the article:

"What deserves special stress is the fact that even when falling prices are the result of monetary contraction, rather than increases in production and supply, and are accompanied by actual economic hardship rather than by general prosperity, their specific contribution to the situation is not only not that of cause, but of remedy. Falling prices in response to monetary contraction are precisely what enable a reduced quantity of money and volume of spending to buy as many goods and to employ as many workers as did the previously larger quantity of money and volume of spending. Preventing the fall in prices, including a fall in wage rates, serves only to prevent the restoration of production and employment."

"

The case is different when the need for the fall in prices is caused by monetary contraction. In this case, the failure of prices to fall, in the face of the anticipation that they will fall, to the extent necessary to clear the market of unsold supplies of goods and labor, leads to a speculative postponement of purchases, which increases the pressure on prices to fall.2 Once prices do fall to the necessary extent, that is the end of the contraction. Indeed, given the existence of a speculative withholding of purchases in anticipation of prices and wages falling to some necessary level, once that level is achieved, the speculative withholding of purchases comes to an end and there is an increase in the volume of spending. In other words, the response to the necessary fall in prices and wages is economic recovery.

"

"

Similarly, the best reason in favor of an actual decrease in the quantity of money is that suffering it may serve to avoid a greater, more severe decrease later on.

"

"

Deflation, which, it cannot be repeated too often, means monetary contraction, not falling prices, is at best in the category of a pain to be endured only in order to avoid greater pain later on. It should never be, and virtually never is, regarded as any kind of positive in its own right. Indeed, opposition to credit expansion, and to the fractional-reserve banking system that makes credit expansion possible, rests for the most part precisely on the fact they are responsible for deflation, which would not exist in their absence.

"

I recommend reading the whole article and, indeed, Reisman's book (long but amazing to read, discusses economic theory with historical sidenotes, and argues against communism, keynesianism and other anti-capitalist doctrines in great detail), freely available in pdf:

https://mises.org/library/capitalism-treatise-economics

Here's the author's Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Reisman


95ab53 No.8526

>>8518

>All his other policies are vague as fuck, as he's guaranteed to start World War III as much as Clinton would if elected.

You never know, but he's the least hostile (indeed, downright friendly) to Russia, and Putin likes him.


d11266 No.8530

>>8518

>All his other policies are vague as fuck

he wrote an entire book describing exactly how to fix this country.


988783 No.8531

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>>8518

>Y'know, I really wanna know what Trump is getting out of the Great Wall of Mexico deal.

Presidency. He was an amnesty cuck years ago. No one gave a fuck about him. He had to look more extreme to appeal to racially aware burgers.


d11266 No.8532

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Alex Jones Dumps The Trump


decf59 No.8533

>>8531

>exaggeration = lying

I guess so


d33277 No.8546

>>8532

>>8532

this is some lowest common denominator stuff. Does anyone actually like this guys presentation?


79c040 No.8549

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>>8546

Disgusting, and not because of all the jew shilling. He just sounds fake 24/7, just like Cruz.




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