adcc20 No.8908
We are the closest any board has come to breaking /pol/'s monopoly on discussion of politics.
We have the chance to finally mend the great schism and create a board where left and right can discuss issues with each other.
Some things we need to pay attention to:
>mods and BO must be impartial. I hope the mods and BO don't sticky threads they like, chose flags and banners based on ideology (like /pol/ which is has blatantly nazi flags but still claims it is 'open to anyone', at least /leftypol/ unashamedly admits it is left-wing oriented)
>Keep the AdHom to a minimal. Calling each other JIDF and shills started as ebin maymays on /pol/, but now they believe it for real and there is a perpetual witch hunt. Don't conjure up boogymen.
>Not everyone on 8chan is white. This should make discussions a lot more interesting and provide local perspective. We must not fall into the /pol/ trap of 'gtfo kike/mudslime/nigger/spic etc'. If you want a pure board for true orions, /pol/ is a more suitable place UUUU
In the very early days, 8/pol/ had every ideology from left to right, the gommies then left, and after that the libertarians and monarchists. I really hope this place doesnt become like that and turn into an echo chamber for X-group
2cf91a No.8929
>We are the closest any board has come to breaking /pol/'s monopoly on discussion of politics.
Looking forward to it. /pol/ is nothing short of cancer. It's very hard to have an intelligent discussion there today.
8d2f78 No.8936
If I may, I'd also recommend posting a clear set of rules and regulations for /politics/.
That way, everyone knows what they can and can't do here and if there's a ban, the person knows what exactly the ban was for.
It would differentiate this board from /pol/, where you can be banned for literally anything. (As evidenced from /polmeta/).
a2247c No.8980
>>8908
>Keep the AdHom to a minimal
Even better is to not do it at all (you can still mention other's character, just don't argue from it).
Also I think committing logical fallacies should be against the rules to ensure fair and honest discussion.
d866af No.8981
>>8936
>If I may, I'd also recommend posting a clear set of rules and regulations for /politics/.
Mod here. You can check the sticky >>31
>It would differentiate this board from /pol/, where you can be banned for literally anything. (As evidenced from /polmeta/).
/politics/ is about minimal moderation. We encourage the users to self-moderate by hiding/filtering low quality posts. Extremely off-topic threads get auto-saged or deleted (to prevent the board from turning into /b/).
Personally, I volunteered only to remove spam. I don't login unless I have to.
8d2f78 No.8983
>>8981
Yeah I saw that thread. I was just referring to something more "substantial" so there is no denying a violation of the rules but I do understand where you (and the board owner) are coming from.
I guess as long as the moderation is not abused like it is in /pol/, clearer/more rules are not needed right now.
Thanks for answering though. It's appreciated.
052b29 No.9259
>>8908
>mods and BO must be impartial. I hope the mods and BO don't sticky threads they like, chose flags and banners based on ideology (like /pol/ which is has blatantly nazi flags but still claims it is 'open to anyone', at least /leftypol/ unashamedly admits it is left-wing oriented)
neutrality is what this board is based upon
I only sticky happenings
c8cfb8 No.9300
I think things on /politics/ are good as they are
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
7792c9 No.9308
>Calling each other JIDF and shills started as ebin maymays on /pol/
>In the very early days, 8/pol/ had every ideology from left to right, the gommies then left, and after that the libertarians and monarchists.
thingsthatneverhappened.jpg
You guys had a chance to move to /polpol/ when copy took over and proved to everyone what what hypocritical fags anarchists and libertarians are. Instead you've just jumped from one "free speech" board to another, butthurt over getting banned for shitposting and calling every board that isn't ideologically-aligned with you or that doesn't enforce political egalitarianism an echo-chamber.
This board is going to die like all the others because the 1/3rd of /pol/ that could argue and knew what they were talking about splintered in a hundred different directions in December 2014.
f58516 No.9310
>>9259
>i only sticky happenings
happenings have no need to be stickied at all
if they're happenings, they'll find their way to the front page anyway.
into the trash this board goes
2c29e4 No.9314
>>9259
>I only sticky happenings
which means you aren't neutral since you get to deem what is a 'happening' and what isn't. If something is relevant and interesting enough it will be propped up to the top of page 1 anyways.
>>9308
>/polpol/
was created because of the shitposting on /pol/. It is also unashamedly far-right and is not a place with a neutral climate. Also have you seen their ban durations foor 'shilling'?
>banned for shitposting
more like banned for having the wrong opinions:
https://8ch.net/politics/res/6325.html
Away with you, return to wherever you came from.
7792c9 No.9316
>>9314
>It is also unashamedly far-right and is not a place with a neutral climate.
>Away with you, return to wherever you came from.
You're proving my point retard. "Free speech" boards with a culture of shitposting in response to anyone who doesn't see free speech as a point of dogma don't believe in free speech any more than "democracies" that outlaw anti-democratic parties are in fact democratic.
052b29 No.9319
>>9310
>>9314
by happenings I only mean mass shootings, terrorist attacks, some debates, etc.
these were the sorts of things stickied on half/pol/ back in the day.
If there really is a lot of opposition to stickies however, I can stop.
052b29 No.9320
>>9316
people against free speech are free and express their beliefs and opinions here if that is what you are concerned about
ed2032 No.9323
>>9316
> "Free speech" boards with a culture of shitposting in response to anyone who doesn't see free speech as a point of dogma don't believe in free speech
Not the anon you are replying too, but you are clearly the retard here. "Free speech" is protected by the mods. He can tell you to fuck off as much as he wants and this would still be a free speech board as long as the mods don't censor either one of you.
Also you said:
>butthurt over getting banned for shitposting
Pic says everything.
7792c9 No.9324
>>9320
>people against free speech are free and express their beliefs and opinions here if that is what you are concerned about
That's not the point. Cultivating or tolerating a culture where only those in favour of free speech are seen as legitimate users is just as bad as moderators directly enforcing their politics on the userbase. You'll very quickly end up in a another /liberty/ situation when people find out this free spech board is actually a free speech with limits board.
I think there's something admirable in an anything goes politics board, but there are very obvious fracture points between
>free speech is only free when nothing (i.e. spam, shitposting) is curtailed (technically correct)
>spam is not free speech because I say so
>I want free speech to only apply to on-topic matters
7792c9 No.9325
>>9323
>Not the anon you are replying too, but you are clearly the retard here. "Free speech" is protected by the mods. He can tell you to fuck off as much as he wants and this would still be a free speech board as long as the mods don't censor either one of you.
Get off the ideological high-horse. Hugboxes can establish themselves very well without moderator intervention, case in point /liberty/.
There's little difference between mod bans for wrongthink, and users creating/adopting a hivemind culture just like /pol/ where all dissenters are the boogeyman, if both lead to the same conclusion of a board ideology. The only difference is you get a more diverse hugbox.
7792c9 No.9326
>>9325
>>9323
And I'm not even going to respond to the /pol/ bait because deflecting criticism by claiming /pol/ is frankly pathetic.
Bans for actual shitposting were what triggered the ebin /int/ raids everywhere. Those raids succeded most of all in avowed free speech/minimal moderation boards like /tg/ precisely because of ideological divides between the different degrees of free speech proponents.
ed2032 No.9328
>>9325
>Hugboxes can establish themselves very well without moderator intervention
"free speech" is not an ideology, moron. Free speech goes both ways, and you can't have a hugbox without enforcement from mods. Protecting free speech is the only thing that can prevent the board from turning into a hugbox for any group.
>case in point /liberty/
/liberty/ is "A recognized Safe Space for liberty". Authoritarians are recognized as outsiders who won't be taken seriously. /politics/ mods so far from what I've seen don't side with anyone. I don't even know what ideology the BO supports. I see posters using the fascism flag everyday. Hell, there's even another flag for "mosley fascism".
>Cultivating or tolerating a culture where only those in favour of free speech are seen as legitimate users is just as bad as moderators directly enforcing their politics on the userbase
Not sure at this point if you are legitimately retarded or just trolling. You are saying protecting free speech = censorship, and in order to have real free speech, you have to censor some people.
>And I'm not even going to respond to the /pol/ bait because deflecting criticism by claiming /pol/ is frankly pathetic.
You can't respond because it destroys your claim. By saying "crack consensus" the mods officially declared /pol/ to be a hugbox.
ed2032 No.9329
>>9328
>You can't respond because it destroys your claim. By saying "crack consensus" the mods officially declared /pol/ to be a hugbox.
and to add, there's no "deflection of criticism" . You are the one who said that we (/politics/ users) are just butthurt that /pol/ mods banned us over shitposting. The pic proves you wrong. The logs prove you wrong.
8d2f78 No.9332
>>9319
>If there really is a lot of opposition to stickies however, I can stop.
I personally have no problem with stickies as long as they're happening (as you described) based.
7792c9 No.9339
>>9328
>you can't have a hugbox without enforcement from mods.
>Authoritarians are recognized as outsiders who won't be taken seriously.
>You can't respond because it destroys your claim. By saying "crack consensus" the mods officially declared /pol/ to be a hugbox.
You could have summarised by just admitting to being willfully blind. When you begin judging the value of dissent based on the supposed or actual beliefs of dissenters instead of the arguments you present, you abandon any pretense of free speech and from an ideologically-homogeneous hugbox.
>You are saying protecting free speech = censorship
Prime example of doublethink. My point is that whether it is culture or the mods that are censorious, it makes no difference when they end in the same position.
>You are the one who said that we (/politics/ users) are just butthurt that /pol/ mods banned us over shitposting. The pic proves you wrong. The logs prove you wrong.
The only one getting proved wrong here is you. I haven't lurked /pol/ in a long time and I'm sure as shit not going to defend it's present state. It's a statement of fact that a significant amount of any free speech advocate board will consist of shitposters, and it's a safe assumption that some of the users of this board have been banned legitimately previously.
I don't know what your preferred ideology is, but you clearly neither believe in, nor understand free speech.
7792c9 No.9340
>>9339
>instead of the arguments they present
>and form an ideologically-homogeneous hugbox
ed2032 No.9341
>>9336
>My point is that whether it is culture or the mods that are censorious, it makes no difference when they end in the same position.
If you think having rule that "free speech is procted" is cultivating a culture that will turn the board into a hugbox, then again, you must be retarded.
>/pol/
> I'm sure as shit not going to defend it's present state.
kek. That's exactly what you did minutes ago. You said we are just butthurt over getting banned for shitposting.
> haven't lurked /pol/ in a long time and
so you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
ed2032 No.9342
7792c9 No.9343
>>9341
>If you think having rule that "free speech is procted" is cultivating a culture that will turn the board into a hugbox, then again, you must be retarded.
Hugboxes are formed when communities actively exclude dissent, how they do it is irrelevant, as illustrated clearly by how they can form on boards whose ideological beliefs are polar opposites.
>kek. That's exactly what you did minutes ago. You said we are just butthurt over getting banned for shitposting.
No, you made the assumption that I was referring to /pol/s latest little bit of drama. What I actually posted was
>Instead you've just jumped from one "free speech" board to another, butthurt over getting banned for shitposting and calling every board that isn't ideologically-aligned with you or that doesn't enforce political egalitarianism an echo-chamber.
Get an argument instead of taking things out of context.
>so you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
You're deluded or new if you think this is the first alt-board to be made or advertised because someone got banned.
89d95c No.9383
Looking nice up there lads.
24b6a7 No.9392
I think now Is the time for putting pics related on self serve, isn't it?
>>9341
>If you think having rule that "free speech is procted" is cultivating a culture that will turn the board into a hugbox, then again, you must be retarded.
He is. If you get a banhammer into your neck for speaking your mind or asking the wrong questions, you are dealing with a hugbox. /liberty/ let you do both things. One of the most interesting threads was nothing but spoonfeeding a Nazi.
>>8936
I have good idea for a sticky.
Trivium; the only thing that should be stickied
OP pics: Logical fallacies, A infograph version of this: https://invincibleprobity.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/marketing-and-propaganda-techniques/
A list of basic history books, general political works that explains which general ideas are making their rounds on the globe in general.
0c9d3f No.9398
>>9319
If you even make a single sticky about news, it would still be biased, since it's artificially on the 1st page on the top due to you having the power to sticky threads.
First it's just news, but slowly it will develop a narrative like on /pol/
If you sticky threads, I give up on this place since mods can have their own soapbox via stickies.
375c93 No.9399
>>9316
You're the retard.
How am I proving your point? You're not banned here are you? Or are you just not used to dealing with dissenting opinions?
also that sage, everyone could really taste the salt
218a48 No.9402
>>9398
I've been here since almost the beginning and I've only seen stickies for the debates, but I agree, if a thread is important, it will float to the first page all by itself. It would be nice to have a rule (more like a promise) to not sticky threads..
76f608 No.9403
>>9402
I believe if something is important enough it will be discussed and debated naturally. Stickying X-news story creates an official board narrative like /pol/.
218a48 No.9404
>>9403
Yes, I hope BO sets a clear rule that the only stickies will be meta threads.
7792c9 No.9405
>>9399
>How am I proving your point? You're not banned here are you? Or are you just not used to dealing with dissenting opinions?
I can tell this board has a future all right. Like it or not, when the response to dissent is "pls go", that's a symptom of safe space culture. Censorship from the community is no more noble than censorship from the mods.
>sage
wew check the board log next time
218a48 No.9407
>>9405
low quality trolling mate.
7792c9 No.9410
>>9407
I'm pretty sure by this point I'm merely pretending, since I've been posting too long to be properly trolling.
396326 No.9417
>>8908
>Keep the AdHom to a minimal. Calling each other JIDF and shills started as ebin maymays on /pol/, but now they believe it for real and there is a perpetual witch hunt. Don't conjure up boogymen.
To be fair, there have been times in the past when it's been pointed out that there are students paid to support Israel online and groups that defend the EU online and so forth, although in the end, it doesn't matter so much and it's best to argue directly against whatever point the post is trying to make rather than projecting identities onto posters.
70356f No.9425
>>8908
>We are the closest any board has come to breaking /pol/'s monopoly on discussion of politics.
It's good timing, as the Trump campaign is slowly imploding, and /pol/ is now in denial about their buying into the meaningless promises of a master salesman.
70356f No.9426
Keep in mind that sometimes stickies are really, really important.
>>>/pol/5239651
a0a951 No.9427
>>9426
I've left like a week ago. Didn't think they can sink any lower!!
dc5181 No.9827
Another day in Trump Central
024eb3 No.9887
>>9827
>Omg Donald Trump said something again XD
No wonder I left that shit board
b07440 No.10033
7f9755 No.10077
I have to ask, I've been around sporadically, what prompted this /pol/ "exodus"? I figured sensible people had already left the board in the initial wake of the shill paranoia.
6f4140 No.10079
>>9827
The damage controll is real.
I haven't been there in a few months and it looks as if it got a LOT worse.
8416b5 No.10081
>>10077
I haven't fully left, but I'm not posting as much because I'm banned and because the mod bias over Trump is too much.
I support Trump, but the board is turning into /gamergatehq/ 2.0 where people are treating /pol/ like a movement instead of a discussion hub and it's quite frankly pissing me off. I came to 8chan to escape mod cuckery, not for more of the same if not worse.
ce815a No.10084
>>10079
It's to the point where opinion on someone is "does this person support Trump" or "does Trump like this person"
aa2af4 No.10273
>>10081
>implying /pol/ is not the most important hub of the most important movement of our time.
It's like you don't know how the real world works.
205a74 No.10298
>>10273
Is this what you guys tell yourselves? Genuinely asking. I left /pol/ after /pol/ harbor because of all the subnormals from 4chan it took on, but I didn't realize you guys had reached the level where you believe your own propaganda.
205a74 No.10299
>>9398
>>9402
This is all good thinking. Minimal mod involvement, no stickies, don't even put on your mod tags unless you absolutely have to. Make it like /new/ was. The free market of ideas will decide.
c192da No.10338
>>10299
2011 /new/ on 4chon was still best political board ever.
8/pol/ before the 2nd exodus came close. /leftypol/ was also a blast in the beginning.
This board is promising, but still a little slow.
aa2af4 No.10342
>>10298
If we are all who is left sane in the world, we are by default the only ones to take a candle into the future, and thus, we have importance and must take things seriously from here on out.
A man who went to a sandwich shop got to cause WWI, don't tell me we can't add up to much.
8d2f78 No.10344
>>10077
>I have to ask, I've been around sporadically, what prompted this /pol/ "exodus"?
I would assume it's the quality of posting and the moderation there. One only has to look at /polmeta/ to see there is a serious problem that the mods are completely ignoring.
For me, it was getting an unfair, excessive ban that admittedly was revoked upon my appeal because I expressed my disagreement with a trump meme thread.
For weeks before that I had been arguing with the trumpcucks against their inane, unconditional support of Trump and get nothing but typical trumpcuck talking points in response.
So perhaps that one sentence in one post was the final straw.
I checked the /pol/ board logs on Super Tuesday and it was amazing seeing how many reports compared to bans there were. Undoubtedly because the trumpcucks consider anything other than unquestioning support of Trump a bannable offense there.
I still visit there, but I avoid Trump threads like the plague. I rarely post anymore. No sense in getting another ban there for thinking for myself.
I like it here very much. It's slower, yes but the quality of the posts/threads is infinitely better than /pol/.
b57da9 No.10350
>>10344
>trumpcuk
You're talking as if those are all legit fanatical supporters of Trump.
On contrary, I believe that Trump campaign is actually pouring effort into shilling on 8chan. They bought the ads, why wouldn't they have shills posting here too? After all, anonymous imageboards like 8/pol/ are exactly the target population, just like with Sanders and his campaign on reddit.
So you use the poor bastards on imageboards to create you OC which you parade on normie sites as propaganda material.
8d2f78 No.10358
>>10350
I think trumposting on /pol/ is a meme at this point but I do believe there is massive support for Trump there.
If they really think things like "Trump will gas the kikes and make anime real if we use our meme magic" though, I'm not entirely sure.
I think a Trump supporter bought the ad, not the Trump campaign itself. I would be shocked as hell if the campaign did though.
c192da No.10363
>>10350
>>10358
Well, this brings up a deeper problem with /pol/. After Trump made his statement that all copkillers should get death sentences, I noted that this privileged the lives of cops over non-cops, and was unethical, etc..
The responses that I and others got was the most strident, obnoxious cartoon Nazi shit supporting it. The stuff is reminiscent of how Hollywood depicts evil white racists. It sure as fuck had nothing to do with how the actual Third Reich viewed the world.
It was so gratingly rude even for an image board that there was lots of "can't handle the bantz..."
That is how you destroy a community. Turn everyone into a villainous caricature. /pol/ mods are too stupid to understand this, and they think the real shills are people who oppose the consensus.
59786b No.10404
This thread was made by an /intl/ shitposter trying to kill the board. Facts:
1) Shitposting isn't free speech.
2) Shills should be banned.
3) Chans have NEVER been about free speech, free speech is a liberal meme.
4) We left 4chan to escape shitposting, we left /pol/ to escape shitposting. Shitposting MUST be removed.
5) Meta threads/questioning/thinking critically should be banned.
Make sure to report this thread.
1df3aa No.10405
>>10404
nice /pol/ack impersonation. 10/10.
d9b0e9 No.10409
7f9755 No.10509
>>10344
I didn't receive bans, but for the most part you've described why I left ages ago. No room to discuss anything. Also /n/ succumbing to India posting really pushed me to find somewhere else.
5f2ba7 No.10694
>>10509
>not filtering threads with india, indian and poo
I left /n/ because they're filled with retarded clickbait. /politics/ seems decent for the moment...
7e59e2 No.10703
/pol/ mods seem to be in damage control mode. Their UIDs count took a hit so they have been removing bans and accepting appeals in the last 3 days.
https://8ch.net/log.php?board=pol
69b31e No.13612
/pol/ mods on damage control mode:
>>>/pol/5446936
b19b72 No.13694
>>10703
>>13612
Fuck. I didn't want them to backpedal, I was sure their insane banning sprees of big IP ranges would hit lots of random anons and send them here.
If BOs and vols can't see IP addresses, then what the fuck is the point of allowing them range bans? You don't know anything about their fucking netblock. Fucking cripplekike.