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Where are you from?

>>8934

A middle eastern hellhole with burning tires and stray goats.

kidding, Indonesia

Is there any rational reason to being a muslim?

Sorta off topic: Do identity politics belong on /politics/

>>8937

well identity has always been a part of politics since time immemorial.

Also I was born a Muslim. I haven't had any suffering being inflicted upon me for being a Muslim, it provides me with spiritual contentment and ramadhan feasts are very delicious.

>>8935

>Indonesia

How do you feel about:

-China (the country, regime and the people)

-Shias

-Refugees

-Trump

What school of Sunnism are you?

hurrr durr mudslime rapefugeee!!!!!

GTFO sandnigerr goatfucker

Sorry, but /pol/ is Muslim-friendly now :^)

>>8942

>china

>the country

very fascinating, though their language is a large obstacle for them in their plans for global dominance

>regime

Well they are smarter than any western regime. Too many reasons to say why this is my opinion.

>people

Just as stupid and dumb as americans. Will shut up about muh democracurr as long as the status quo is maintained.

>shias

As long as they don't try to aggressively proselytize in my country, I think of them as co-supporters of palastine.

>refugees

Ah my favorite subject. Well you're letting uneducated people with no documentation in, what do you expect? Also, do you think the most resilient, patriotic and loyal citizens of a country would pack up and leave in a civil war? These people are parasites, the worst elements of their countries, and you let them in. I don't care if these apes say they are also muslims, these walking pieces of shit aren't coming into my country.

>Trump

Huge mistake for anyone supporting him. He reminds me alot of 2008 obama, but instead of 'change' it's make america great again. The wall is economically very unrealistic. Although I understand his appeal to americans, he's just the shiniest turd in the shitheap of presidential candidates.

>>8944

I forgot.

>>8955

ah the AnCap asshat who supports israel.

>>8970

Yeah, wassup m8 ;)

>>8970

What's wrong with Israel?

>>8985

> There are so many more cost effective methods to keep the illegals out than building a wall that will be dug under, destroyed, decaying within a few years.

See:

>>8310

>>8313

>>8969

>The wall is economically very unrealistic

No. See vid.

Is there pressure against apostates like in the Middle East there in Indonesia?

Have you seen Omar the tv series?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_(TV_series)

I quite enjoyed it

>>8969

>Ah my favorite subject. Well you're letting uneducated people with no documentation in, what do you expect? Also, do you think the most resilient, patriotic and loyal citizens of a country would pack up and leave in a civil war? These people are parasites, the worst elements of their countries, and you let them in. I don't care if these apes say they are also muslims, these walking pieces of shit aren't coming into my country.

If you said that in any western country you would get called a racist

>b-but I'm an east asian muslim!

In that case they will pretend you didn't say anything and threat you in private so you stop talking

Anyway, just wanted to say I agree and I wouldn't mind muslim refuges if as you said they weren't mostly lowlifes, criminals, insane assholes and other scum

So hows jakarta doing after the bombings?

>>8974

you really support israel? why tho

>>9031

Not really, I just think it's dumb for whites to denounce the "racist apartheid state" and the "state terrorism" whenever a missile hits noncombatants by accident and all that crap, when that's exactly what we want for us. I think it's dumb for us to portray Muslims as victims when we have a massive Muslim immigration problem. Nothing personal, really.

>>8977

I honestly think china will not risk a war. the ramifications to their economy are too great, and now even greater that their economy is slowing down. Also whoever the spratlys belong to it does not belong to china.

I don't think I'll even be accepted to join the army. I have several conditions which make me unsuitable for service. I will gladly join some type of auxiliary police or home guard though.

>>8986

Nothing. Except the fact that jews exploited the holocaust to demand an apartheid state whose legitimacy is based on a religious claim despite not being a theocracy. Also the fact that they constantly break ceasefires.

>>8991

Yes I've seen that vid. But it doesn't cover the long-term maintenance aspect enough. Remember the wall needs to be upgraded, and maintenance include labor costs, infrastructure maintanance not just maintaining the wall.

>>8992

Yeah heresy is a big no-no here. But the Religious ministry handles it well enough. I believe it is necessary to stop heresy so that any snake oil salesman can't just start a church, like in the US.

Atheism is not big here. A kid I knew in middle school is now an atheist and he is every bit a cringeworthy fedora though.

>>9009

I have downloaded all the episodes but have only watched 1. Production value is very good and so is the acting.

>>9158

>muslim immigration problem

then stop supporting israel, the cause of a lot of the unrest in the middle east, and don't let refugees in.

>>9017

>So hows jakarta doing after the bombings?

We carry on. If we air shows about them on and on and on again like you do with 9/11, the terrorists win.

We carry on.

>>9312

>then stop supporting israel, the cause of a lot of the unrest in the middle east, and don't let refugees in.

As Islamic terrorists claim all the time, the moment Israel falls, the next goal is recovering Al-Andalus. And so on. I don't think we should support Israel *for free*, but it's not in our best interests to see Israel fall. Also, as you said, Israel is just one source of conflict. Muslims fight each other all the time, resulting in a constant flow of potential refugees. The fall of Israel would not solve the problem, it would embolden the Islamists and it would create the problem of Israeli refugees. Very bad for white Christians.

>>9365

What muslims were fighting each other before Iraq? Let's dispel the myth that the US government (controlled by Israel) didn't know what it was doing. It knew exactly what it was doing.

>>9376

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E2%80%93Sunni_relations

> Let's dispel the myth that the US government (controlled by Israel) didn't know what it was doing. It knew exactly what it was doing.

Maybe. But let's also dispel the myth of blaming "outside forces" for the numerous conflicts between Muslims. Those conflicts are as old as Islam itself.

>>8990

Mexicans aren't suicide bombers and the US-Mexico border isn't the tiny border of Israel. Building a wall is ridiculous and wasteful. Are you telling me that you're gonna have guys all along this wall too? Who the hell is paying for that?

>>8932

Any thoughts about Genghis Khan?

How big of a role do the Saudi even play in Indonesia and how will their economic decline shape your contry's future?

Trump sounds reminiscent to Obama, from afar indeed. Let's forget his promises for a moment and talk about his general position: What do you think about Jacksonianism? America's autism or one of its legitimate ideologies?

>>9381

>Who the hell is paying for that?

Mexico

Well, illegals get billions of dollars in welfare and other things. Deporting them + preventing more from coming in will save a lot. Even if that doesn't cover the cost, the wall must be built, if illegals keep flowing in, US will be a latin country.

>>9365

fuck off kike

>>9437

kek

>>9365

>As Islamic terrorists claim all the time, the moment Israel falls, the next goal is recovering Al-Andalus.

Really? Which Islamic terrorists?

Let us know when you can show us Hezbollah's plan to invade the Iberian peninsula.

>>9441

>Hezbollah

>terrorists

pick one

>>9444

Oh, I agree, but I'm not expecting him to see the world that way.

He's probably going to say ISIS or al Qaeda, groups that never actually fight Israel, they just condemn it verbally.

>>9437

Spoken like a true Israeli.

>>9441

>Hezbollah

You conveniently failed to mention Hamas, Israel's main foe.

I don't know about Hezbollah, but Hamas does:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6087

And of course, Al-qaeda did, and ISIS does:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3412030/We-recover-land-invaders-ISIS-issues-chilling-threat-launch-terror-attacks-Spain-bid-expand-caliphate-Europe.html

>>9444

I'm open to making a distinction, but Hezbollah is currently and ally of Hamas, so it serves no purpose for white Christians to side with them.

>>9447

>ISIS or al Qaeda, groups that never actually fight Israel, they just condemn it verbally.

Because they have bigger plans than being prematurely BTFOd by Israel. Do you actually believe ISIS is an ally of Israel? Do you think they would leave Israel alone if they became a really powerful Caliphate?

>>9453

I have to leave, but I will have much to write later on, when I have time.

>it serves no purpose for white Christians to side with them.

So you're a Christian. I should have known.

You guys amaze me. You are such ignorant slaves to Israel & Jews that you don't even care about the people who practice your own religion in the Levant, or know who defends them.

>>9492

> So you're a Christian. I should have known.

I'm not an American zio-evangelical, faggot, so cut the crap.

I know they are not all the same. At this moment, I'd say Shia Muslims (with the possible exception of Iran) are less of a threat than radical Sunni militias and their Saudi Arab supporters. I'm against overthrowing Assad, but that doesn't mean I'm against Israel. The only long-term solution is complete separation of Jewish and Arab populations, but as long as Muslims insist on calling for the destruction of Israel, they are part of the problem.

>>9515

> At this moment, I'd say Shia Muslims (with the possible exception of Iran) are less of a threat than radical Sunni militias and their Saudi Arab supporters.

Wow, you're going out on a big limb there.

>The only long-term solution is complete separation of Jewish and Arab populations, but as long as Muslims insist on calling for the destruction of Israel, they are part of the problem.

Which Muslims? Are you going to give us the phony quote from Ahmadinejad?

>>9521

>Okay, Mr Israel defender. I can tell you know next to nothing about this part of the world.

I know that Israel's destruction would be bad for white Christians, and I know that praising Islamic militias is not in our best interest, for obvious reasons I already mentioned and you didn't refute. I'm not claiming to be an expert on Lebanon.

> Until maybe recently, Hamas has been a joke.

I disagree but, in any case it is no joke right now, so the point in moot.

> Funny that they would think this, huh?

That's no news, everyone knows a bunch of terrorists is less of a threat than a functional hostile state. If only, that article reinforces my point that Iran is the main problem in the area.

> So that is your evidence? A children's magazine? What's next?

Indeed, what's next? Prove it wrong or STFU.

> Are you going to start posting bad translations of Palestinian children's shows by Israeli propaganda arm MEMRI?

> implying they need translation

Nice try, shill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM

>>9523

> Which Muslims? Are you going to give us the phony quote from Ahmadinejad?

Are you going to give me the phony rebuttal of the quote's authenticity?

>>9566

> What do you even mean by "Israel's destruction"?

Its destruction as a Jewish nation, where Jews feel at home.

> Israel's existence has been a disaster for Christians living in that part of the world.

Islam has been a disaster for Christians living all over the middle East and North of Africa. Israel is just a tiny country.

> Let me know their standout victories.

They control Gaza and they launch missiles at Israel, some of those reaching as far as Tel Aviv. They are not an existential threat, but they are a constant, everyday threat for millions of Israeli Jews nonetheless.

> Really? So al Qaeda and ISIS are less of a threat to the United States than Iran? You have such curious ideas.

I'll reconsider my position when ISIS is anywhere close to having nukes.

> About MEMRI TV.

I called you "shill" because you deny the obvious Hamas propaganda for children. Of course MEMRI is not impartial, everyone knows that, but the videos are real.

> But let's get to the heart of it.

You missed the part of the video when an Israeli secret service agent (pictured as an obviosly bad guy with the Israli flag behind him) beats up Farfour, apparently to death. I chose this one precisely because no translation is needed, as I said.

> You're a glutton for punishment.

And you are a lousy cook.

Reading from the article.

Ahmedineyad claim: "This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time."

More from the article:

"

Khamenei stated, “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.” He went on to say in the same speech that “Palestinian refugees should return and Muslims, Christians and Jews could choose a government for themselves, excluding immigrant Jews.”

"

Oh, by the way, the claim has only ONE out of FOUR Pinnochios, meaning it's essentially correct:

"

One Pinocchio

Some shading of the facts. Selective telling of the truth. Some omissions and exaggerations, but no outright falsehoods. (You could view this as “mostly true.”)

"

>>9573

>Islam has been a disaster for Christians living all over the middle East and North of Africa. Israel is just a tiny country.

See 60 minutes pieces. Christians lived among Muslims for centuries, but are now slowly being driven out of Israeli controlled areas.

>They control Gaza and they launch missiles at Israel, some of those reaching as far as Tel Aviv. They are not an existential threat, but they are a constant, everyday threat for millions of Israeli Jews nonetheless.

Sure, and lightning is a threat to every American.

>In the three weeks of the (most recent) fighting), well over 1,000 Palestinians have been killed, about 70 percent of them civilians and many of that group children. On the Israeli side, 42 soldiers and two civilians have been killed. Most shocking was the deaths of 16 civilians at a UN-run school being used as a shelter for Palestinians fleeing the violence in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/susan-milligan/2014/07/28/media-cant-ignore-disparity-between-israel-and-palestinian-gaza-casualties

>I called you "shill" because you deny the obvious Hamas propaganda for children.

It doesn't take propaganda to make young Palestinians hate the people who occupy their lands, bomb, torture, and murder them.

>Ahmedineyad claim: "This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time."

Very different from

>“Israel, a small country of less than eight million people, looks out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off of the map.”

>President Obama, speech to the U.N. General Assembly, September 21, 2011

>>9583

> See 60 minutes pieces. Christians lived among Muslims for centuries, but are now slowly being driven out of Israeli controlled areas.

Christians are being genocided in Irak and other Islamist-controlled areas. And "living among Muslims" means putting up with Arab invaders who let them live in exchange for the poll tax, with no legal protection against periodic pogroms. Quite a difference from living as a Christian in a Christian country, or even as a Muslim in a Christian country for that matter.

> Sure, and lightning is a threat to every American.

Silly remark. To begin with, lightning is not a political issue. Besides, if the threat were so trivial, Israelis wouldn't bother with bomb shelters and the Iron Dome.

> It doesn't take propaganda to make young Palestinians hate the people

Irrelevant. I refuted your claim, so you change the subject.

>who occupy their lands, bomb, torture, and murder them.

You are begging the question. Israelis say exactly the same about Hamas, and they have a better claim.

> Very different from

No, it's essentially the same claim, with different phrasing. The "occupation regime" is Israel, the Jewish nation-state. If you destroy it, you wipe it off the map, that is, obviously, the geo-political map. Of course the geo-physical map will look just the same.

>>9562

>Nice try, shill.

Also, keep this "shill" shit on /pol/. It's neither needed nor wanted here.

>>9593

>Oh, you mean by groups like ISIS? Wait, I thought they weren't as scary as Iran.

They aren't as scary to Israel or the USA, they are scary to the average Christian who has to live THERE. Are you really this thick or are you just pretending?

> Which does not exist in the 20th century.

You mean in the 21st century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya#Abolishment

You said "for centuries", so it's fair to bring up the Jizya. Even now, the Jizya is not quite a thing of the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya#Recent_times

> If the threat were real, Israel would seek peace and return the lands they stole.

Begging the question again. From the Israeli POV, they are just taking back a small fraction of a land which is rightfully theirs, so the Muslims are the real thieves and murderers. I think the Israelis's have a much better claim.

> Oh, Israel has more of a claim to Palestine than the Palestinians?

Than the Jordanians who call themselves "Palestinians", yes.

> Because their faggot book tells them that God gave it to them?

No, because there's ample archaeological, historical and genetic evidence to back their claim to the land, and because Hamas proudly targets Israeli civilians and launches missiles from civilian areas, then cynically showing the dead Pali children to the world.

> Ahmadinejad's statement about the sands of time simply predicts the end of the Zionist regime.

It doesn't just "predict", it calls for it.

> believes the one-state solution is the future of Palestine.

It makes a huge difference whether this "one-state" is Jewish-dominated or Muslim-dominated. In the latter case, Jews would be expelled and/or genocided.

>>9594

> Also, keep this "shill" shit on /pol/. It's neither needed nor wanted here.

Well, you are acting like a textbook shill, using dirty tricks, begging the question, denying the obvious, changing the subject when you are proven wrong... looks like your main interest is not the truth but promoting your agenda no matter what.

kill yourself

>ctrl+f

>"Reddit"

>no results

It's a fucking AMA for god sakes, this is reddit cancer.

Fuck you OP, go back to Reddit and suck nigger dick.

>>9678

Jealous because you don't have your "autistic neet faggot AMA"?

>>9572

>polygamy

yes. because procreation is important.

>dress code

just look it up. lots of sites state it. its long but clear.

>punishment for apostasy

I dunno. I'm not a sharia judge.

>Religion

much more seriously than american 'christians'

>tension

nope. not here.

>religious war

no

>>9678

>reddit cancer

have you actually been to reddit?

the thing that makes reddit shit is not the content, but the subreddit mods and owners and their hotpocketry, also the karma circlejerking.

I mean for fucks sake, they got Tom Hardy, Harisson Ford and alot of other people who don't even know 8chan exist to do AMAs. Soviet WW2 veterans have also done AMAs there.

So don't blame the AMA format. Blame the Reddit hierarchy.

>>8932

Have you seen this video? It's interesting and a definite possibility based on our history. I won't let one or the other define or request but i'd like to view your opinion regardless.

And would you consider the possibility?

I always found the 5 pillars to be a great foundation but there were just too many things that put me off when it came to the way women, animals and even, brethren, are treated. We can beat about the bush as much as you like but let's be honest and not deny the reality.

Which sect do you hail from?

I also have many persian friends, so-called muslims and yet they identify with the reality of what their religion is. You see, I'd like to know if you practice or identify. I'd like to know if you know in your heart that what you do is correct or have you only got the half truth like so many for most of their lives.

The moon god and Mo, Mo, himself had his days of channeling the quran despite it being forbidden for somebody of his faith. Why is it that moslem's ignore this fact?

I say this with love and hope that Truth may find you. Go well.

>>9798

To follow, it's interesting to note the connection between saturn and communism. The Hammer and Sickle - resembling within the occult.

Islam is a political ideology with the bloodlust of a deathcult. Hence, I ask that you may answer with a clean conscious as my words are not intended to be offensive, rather an undeniable observation that is to understand by many others who do not seek beyond what they know.

>>9783

Ex-Muslim here (clearly not OP). There's no such thing as real Islam. Quran is a rant. Rant that was "revealed" in ~25 fucking years. Every time something happened, a part of the quran was "revealed". Like any religious book, there are contradictions and ambiguous things. If you are not a sociopath, you will take the clear good rules. If you are a sociopath, you will say everything good was abolished and had its time, and you will take every verse that's ambiguous or was meant for an enemy at the time and generalize it to maximum degree possible.

When I was a Muslim I told myself, the God I believe in must be consistent, must be perfect, he can't have two opinions about things or change his mind, it's either the good rules or stand, or this a human work.

You might ask, why don't Muslims leave Islam since it contradicts science and itself? If you are a religious person you would understand. You can't underestimate the impact of children indoctrination. Your psychology is built around the idea of a merciful god that you can pray to, complain to, talk to, ..etc You believe that you will meet your loved ones after your die. You think you are guaranteed to go to heaven if you simply believe there's only good and mohamed is his final prophet. The muslim's brain protect it by shutting down any doubts. Following or recognizing contradictions would mean tearing all of this down. It's not an easy thing. Especially for old people. I've become nihilistic since I no longer became a Muslim. Most athiests and agnostic people are young people. I would never tell my parents that I'm agnostic, it would crush them.

>>9783

Sunni

Shia islam is 100% heresy. the only reason /pol/ folks jerk off over it is because they lack their own wahhabian-esqe version of terrorism so simpletons think that makes them the "good guys".

Same goes for Sufis.

What do you personally think of Jews, and the types thereof?

>>9836

>asian

>sandnigger

>>9807

OK, you mean Muslims and what they are thinking not Christians. I suspect the reason why Islam is as it is the lack of a social technology called Theology.

>>9781

Threadly reminder that the AMA format was SA invention that got to 4chan and then probably from there to reddit that isn't designed for something like this.

Why don't you convert to catholicism?