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69f1e9 No.9261

641d1c No.9296

>Trump starts to tack back to the center

>immigration is negotiable

>we need more skilled workers from foreign countries

The real question is how hard will /pol/'s mods come down on anyone pointing this out?

This debate was a complete set up though


3f9716 No.9303

>>9261

>Trump BTFO by Fox and the other candidates.

I fully agree Fox went after Trump hard as fuck but they exposed many things Trump did not want people seeing.

And again Cruz and Rubio went after Trump very hard. If they started this several months ago and not just in the last two debates, the elections would've been very different.

>>9296

>The real question is how hard will /pol/'s mods come down on anyone pointing this out?

You'll be given a minimum of a one month ban for showing anything other than complete and total support of trump.

I'd love to discuss the debate there, but as I'm not a trumpcuck I simply can't without being banned or shitposted into oblivion.


641d1c No.9317

>>9303

>the elections would've been very different.

Yeah, GOP fucked up big time, we'll see what Hildawg brings against him


6ac38e No.9390

Nearly finished watching the debate now and Trump really got badly rekt last night. I think his moment in the sun has come to an end. Unfortunately it seems like it may be too late. If this guy goes against Hillary i don't think he will win.

Enjoy the new Presidentess lads.


2d983d No.9391

>>9390

> I think his moment in the sun has come to an end.

I don't think so. The two things that make him appealing still hold:

1) Outsider

2) I'LL BUILD A WALL

People feel disgusted when they hear Cruz or Rubio talk. I think the debate damaged his image but people still will vote for him.


171b15 No.9393

One thing that struck me was that Trump seems to about as ignorant on policy now as he was 6 months ago when the debates first started.

You could kind of excuse this a little bit of in September, but still? He really has very little in the way of ideas or knowledge.

In a Trump presidency, his advisors or cabinet will basically be running the country.

>>9296

/pol/ is TrumpCentral at this point. It's completely ridiculous.

>>9303

>And again Cruz and Rubio went after Trump very hard. If they started this several months ago and not just in the last two debates, the elections would've been very different.

Agreed, and great post overall.


c15db2 No.9409

>>9390

>it seems like it may be too late

At this point in the game, Trump will be the nominee barring some GOP shenanigans regarding convention rules

The problem then becomes Clinton, and to be fair, she's far more dangerous than Bernie, who'd just be a lame duck president, and the GOP. She's got political savvy, a ton of insider connections, and a warchest that outstrips everyone by far.

She's been fairly quiet on Trump as well, really makes me wonder how much dirt she's been digging up over the past few months, especially since her nomination was secured from the beginning.

>>9393

>Trump seems to about as ignorant on policy now as he was 6 months ago when the debates first started

This is another huge problem, I'll still probably vote for him in the primary, but it's very worrying, especially as he goes into the general election.

general doesn't matter cause blue state


171b15 No.9413

>>9391

Yeah, but now Trump comes off as less and less trustworthy. He seems more like an egomaniac who wants to run and be president rather than someone who wants to change things.

>People feel disgusted when they hear Cruz or Rubio talk.

Nobody is saying that they are in any way good or better. Nobody wants to help them. If not for Trump, most of us would have sat outside electoral politics completely this cycle. Maybe push third parties a little, and that's it.

It's one thing to vote for Trump. I probably will. It's yet another to become a full Trump activist thinking his winning the election will make a difference. That is what much of /pol/ has been doing.


3f9716 No.9513

>>9393

>You could kind of excuse this a little bit of in September, but still? He really has very little in the way of ideas or knowledge.

That's because Trump absolutely refuses to debate policy.

The moderators and even the other candidates during the debate tried to get Trump to explain his policy and he responded with his usual insults and talking points.

"I'm going to be the best!"

"This wall will be so great, so great!"

"I'll deport all the illegal immigrants!"

"We're going to make 'murrica great again!"

But how?

"I'm just going to make it great again you little girly man. You'll see."

Seriously though...how?

"I'm going to do all these things by doing all these things and it'll be great. It'll be the best. All these other people, they're not great. They won't do these things. Only I'm great. We're going to make America great again!"


171b15 No.9528

>>9513

Exactly. Fox all deserves a good deal of credit for putting together evidence of Trump changing his mind.

All of the networks were caught off guard because they tried to attack Trump with gossip instead of substance for the first few months, and the voters rallied to Trump, who knows how to play that game. Now they are hitting him with substance, but it is later in the election cycle.

And even now, the networks are so stupid as to take Trump's bait. Look up "Trump debate" on Google, and the first result is

>Donald Trump defends size of his penis - CNNPolitics.com

So that is the #1 thing people will be talking about, not the fact that Trump is inconsistent and dishonest.


1e463f No.9529

>>9528

>So that is the #1 thing people will be talking about, not the fact that Trump is inconsistent and dishonest.

Do you think that's why made that comment? Or it's because of his ego?


3f9716 No.9537

>>9528

>Exactly. Fox all deserves a good deal of credit for putting together evidence of Trump changing his mind.

At first, I thought "holy shit Fox is really going after Trump hard" but when I realized they were bringing to light all these inconsistencies and lies (and I did my own research on Trump's lies and exaggerations) I came to believe "Well, if he can't stand up to a little scrutiny then he doesn't deserve to be President."

>So that is the #1 thing people will be talking about, not the fact that Trump is inconsistent and dishonest.

Yeah, I've come to realize that this isn't an election. This is an entire season of American Idol.

Instead of calling a 900 number you're going down to a polling place and doing your voting there.

So of course a top-rated reality TalmudVision star like Trump is in the lead.


171b15 No.9547

>>9529

A little of both. I think Trump has developed a very effective egotistical persona that borders on the comic over the years, and he will drop in comments that he knows media will make a big deal out of, because they are mildly transgressive, and it is entertaining.

No doubt that this is his real personality by this point.


641d1c No.9551

>>9528

>>9547

>>9537

Now that the news cycles have caught on to what hurts him, you can bet the Clinton machine's ponderous wheels are going to start chugging


3f9716 No.9580

>>9551

>Now that the news cycles have caught on to what hurts him, you can bet the Clinton machine's ponderous wheels are going to start chugging

Yeah, if people think Hillary is going to take this campaign lying down or be destroyed in an easy Trump victory, they've got another thing coming...

In other words, the race for the nomination and the race for the presidency are two different things. Just because Trump (possibly) wins one doesn't mean he's going to win the other.


28b149 No.9665

>>9580

>Yeah, if people think Hillary is going to take this campaign lying down or be destroyed in an easy Trump victory, they've got another thing coming...

It's almost like the people claiming that Trumped and Shillary are playing for the same side were onto something...


3f9716 No.9779

So, this is new.

How Donald Trump broke Fox News' debate rules

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/05/media/donald-trump-fox-debate-rules/index.html


171b15 No.9792

>>9779

In fairness, that seems like a bad rule. The candidates should have access to someone who can give them information during breaks, particularly relevant to fact checking. I'm thinking of the time that Candy Crowley lied during the Romney-Obama debate.


79c319 No.9810

>>9779

that's a retarded rule that should have never existed. Trump did the right thing, I say that and I'm not even a Trump fan.


3f9716 No.9853

>>9792

I believe the rule exists so they don't get assistance, talking points, pointers etc from their campaigns.

Debates are supposed to be about the candidates alone debating.

>>9810

It's the rule he agreed to before the debate.

It doesn't matter if you and Trump disagree with it.

You follow the rules or you don't attend the debate.

To me it seems like Trump thinks he's above the rules and has no respect for them.


79c319 No.9860

>>9853

faggot detected. No, if the rules are unfair and you can break them and get away with it, you break them, especially that Fox never played fair.


022abe No.9866

>>9296

One of his main plans from the start is to give the immigrants already in the country work visas, and to increase the allowances for work visas.

This isn't full citizenship however, and even kids of people with work visas don't get to be citizens.


171b15 No.9871

>>9853

I understand the rationale, but something more important than

>how much did the candidate memorize

is

>what are the facts on a particular topic?

We already saw something like this where the CNBC moderator openly lied about Rubio's plan.


3f9716 No.9882

>>9860

>No, if the rules are unfair and you can break them and get away with it you break them,

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

That's what we need!

A President thinking that there is literally nothing wrong with breaking rules and regulations because he might not like them.

Because we haven't had enough of those type of Presidents in the past, right?

If we can't trust Trump with the rules of a debate, why should we trust him with the Presidency?

>especially that Fox never played fair.

Then he should never have another debate with Fox and never offer another interview if he feels he was mistreated.

>>9871

>>what are the facts on a particular topic?

Oh, I wish Trump actually debated facts and policy on particular topics.

>We already saw something like this where the CNBC moderator openly lied about Rubio's plan.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the media isn't corrupt either.

But breaking the rules of the debate that Trump agreed to before the debate happened does nothing for his credibility.


a5243a No.9884

>>9882

>all rules are equal and should be equally respected/honored


641d1c No.9889

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interesting read here

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republican-voters-kind-of-hate-all-their-choices/

>But as spectacular as the clash between Trump and Republican “party elites” has become, the coverage of it tends to obscure another, perhaps equally important part of the story. Trump does not just divide rank-and-file voters from Republican poo-bahs. He’s also extremely divisive among Republican voters, much more so than a typical front-runner. In exit polls so far, only 49 percent of Republican voters say they would be satisfied with Trump as their nominee — remarkable considering Trump’s lead in votes and delegates. But compounding the GOP’s problems, Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz would leave only slightly more Republican voters happy.

>The exit polls have asked Republican voters in seven states — here’s Tennessee, for example — whether they’d be satisfied if each of Cruz, Rubio and Trump won the nomination. Remember, these are actual voters — voters who gave Trump a win in six of the seven states where the exit poll asked this question — and not some hypothetical universe of “likely voters.” On average, just 49 percent of these actual Republican voters said they’d be satisfied with Trump. The numbers for the other two candidates were better, but not by much: 53 percent of voters said they’d be satisfied with Rubio, and 51 percent with Cruz.

>You might wonder whether this sort of thing always happens during a nomination campaign. The short answer is that it doesn’t. By comparison, 79 percent of Democrats this year have said they’d be satisfied with Hillary Clinton as their nominee, while 62 percent have said so of Bernie Sanders.

>How about the Republican race in 2012? The exit polls posed the satisfaction question in only four states, and Romney’s numbers weren’t great. But they were still much better than Trump’s. On average, 63 percent of Republicans said they’d be happy with Romney as their nominee

>Not only is Trump’s 49 percent satisfaction rating lower than any recent party nominee’s, it’s also lower than almost all the losers’. Rick Santorum in 2012 was more widely acceptable than Trump, for example. The only exception was Ron Paul in 2012, although the exit polls asked about him in only two states.

Paulbergs BTFO

I'm thinking that GOP turnout for the general election is going to be abnormally low with how ruthless and polarizing the primary has been


3f9716 No.9897

>>9884

>>all rules are equal and should be equally respected/honored

If you agree to the rules, yes.




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