/polmeta/ - /pol/ Meta Discussion

I wouldn't worry about it per se, /pol/ is pretty much a home page for some of us now. I personally put a lot of thought into my posts, do my best to stay accurate, empathize with other anons (love the forced anon option), and revert to lurker whenever my comment or opinion is better left in my head.

Lower post counts mean more empathy and actual interaction, I've noticed. Higher post counts =/= quality, I'm sure you've noticed.

In the graph PPH in early Dec2014 looks to be about half current; so we're not in the 900PPH spike anymore. Meh. I'm sure a lot of those were quite brief and thoughtless.

Starting with Kikewheels retarded post first:

>4chan

Not all of it's boards suffered from over-moderation. /pol/ wasn't one of them for example.

>7chan

Already covered this in my other post where I argued with you. Kikewheels is also stupid to think they're 'dead' when 8chan is only about 2,3 times more popular than them.

>4chon

Got that covered too.

>711chan

No idea about this one.

>8chan/pol/ (lost half its posts, users went back to 4chan)

This is where you're supposed to dismiss the dumbass entirely. Cuckchanners left 8/pol/ because they were only using it as a temporary solution until joot decided to 'fix' the board after he nuked it. They all went back like a bunch of pathetic battered housewives. I say good riddance. They aren't going to be missed.

Now on to the PPH:

It looks fairly normal and there are spikes and drops of activity as you should expect in a board that relies mostly on current political events for discussion. There's nothing major going on right now. /pol/ is sitting at it's usual 2900ish users as it always did after the cucks returned to their home.

Couple other meta concerns I have though:

Recommending board to older people, mostly guys completely sickened and baffled by "PC" climate in society lately. Due to this I'd suggest not leaving shit up like NiggaNetwork's black dick pics thread, whatever that shit is, or really any overly lewd; if people want porn it's easily available millions of other places, not board's purpose, leaving anything beyond softcore on /pol/ will not help the board longterm.

NatSoc has caught on and is, having seen so much good stuff, danke /pol/, permanently good in my eyes. ZOG, it would appear, really is the biggest problem in all of Earthly politics. Enough of us know the truth and can calmly insist on it with decent enough references and facts; in relation to board popularity, however, if we can get a bit more zen about race we'd have more discussions. I don't mean ban merchant pics or kike callouts, by the way, I just mean the tendency to apply every worst stereotype all day. It prevents discussion in many cases. Kneejerk ethnic slurs are, of course, of courshe, still pretty funny, germanic mickfag from burgerland here, but the degeneration into frothy adhom does get tiring. Reminds me of this, honestly: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-23/propagandists-use-automated-software-spread-disinformation

Lastly, can you help us please has resticky on http://8ch.net/pol/res/1558485.html#1576115 ? If I had board control that thing would absolutely be allowed to go to capacity.

Hope this all makes sense.

Anyway, my belief is that 8ch can go to infinity.

>>6462
/pol/ and /news+/ are both essentially anonymous online thinktanks that monitor and discuss politics and world events, but /pol/ also has society in general.

it would appear le based overlord, when he got frustrated by the shitpost overload a while back and started a quasi-competitor board (during last cuckxodus, no?), made a very good thing we can synergize with; while /news+/ can be more efficient for news, /pol/ encapsulates all of society.

seriously, 8chan five everr. this place is the present and the future.

>Just out of curiosity, do you guys have any thoughts on this?

Libertarians, just like leftists, ignore reality and create their own world. To say 4chan, 4chon or 8chan/pol/ had any strict moderation is hilarious revisionism.

I guess most people on here are complete newfags who only experienced 4chan /pol/ during the GG affair.

>>6473

>Libertarians, just like leftists, ignore reality and create their own world. To say 4chan, 4chon or 8chan/pol/ had any strict moderation is hilarious revisionism.

This upsets quite a bit, but I have to admit you are correct. Some of the more obnoxious and vocal ones might be shills falseflagging to try to divide and conquer the board though.

Cripplekike is specially a huge faggot because the only reason he's still keeping up with this crap is because he has a butthurt with the board.

>I guess most people on here are complete newfags who only experienced 4chan /pol/ during the GG affair.

People also forget that GG threads were allowed just fine on cuck/pol/. They were called "ShekelShoah" if I'm not mistaken. There were very few examples of mod abuse there.

>>6511
yeesh, incredible amounts of dubious looking threads in catalog right now.

Reporting here for reasons:
Hide+ is hiding multiple additional users when used on ID:6911d3 and ID 49999a >>/pol/1603762
just trying to keep everyone else readable for conversation's sake, anyhow, first Hide+ hit at least two others, then myself, when activated.

>>6514
hide vs ID, ID+, i gotta FAQ again.

>>6518

What a bunch of bollocks. Who are you trying to fool? Just go back to your shithole already.

You go to /int/, the worst board on this site, your opinion is automatically discarded because of that alone.

>People are getting b& even for making traditional /pol/ threads (e.g. WIYFTAWDYHK)

What?

/pol/ before the second exodus had almost the same rules as we do right now. I'm sure a mod can confirm that. It was when Cripplekike ran the board to the ground that people started asking for more strict rules and also because we couldn't maintain the quality of the board on our own anymore due to the cuckchanner invasion after joot nuked cuck/pol/. Strict moderation was a necessary evil.

You're libertarian, aren't you? You make me ashamed to belong to the same political group as you when you're trying to give people this bullshit revisionism which isn't true in the slightest. I wish libertarians weren't so attracted to shitposting and being general faggots.

>>6527
*approach to moderation

fugg I'm drunk

ba a a by jesus would you look at all the weeb shit in this thread

and I just came in here to say I'm going to 4chan due to the weeb shit on /pol/

oy vey oy gevalt. the disease goes to the core

>>6531

>Still, you're pandering to the retards the 2nd exodus brought over from halfchan. That is my main issue.

How is it pandering if they're the ones who brought all the shitposting?

>The reason /a/ is unpopular is because it's rulecuck central, as far as I can tell.

It has more to do with the cancerous /v/ermin userbase and the biased moderation decisions like banning that guy from /pol/ for three days for asking an innocent question.

>If your userbase is dumb enough to get baited so easily, you should considering a more liberal moderation more than ever. Because such utter and complete retards lower the quality of the board more than anything else. Let them be driven off back to halfchan.

Sorry, but I disagree with that. Both of the people who bait and the ones who take the bait are the problem, not just one of them.

>Because I'm pro-free speech I lost all my credibility? Ok.

Because you just said something completely and utterly retarded.

>>6532

old pol gassed weeb shit on the spot, the way it was meant to be

see how you like it when I start posting my little pony all over your shit

you are autism tier

>>6535

>Remember when "JIDF pls" used to be an ironic reply to low quality/b8 post? Now /pol/ is overrun by lobotomites who actually believe there are "shills" everywhere, who accuse every dissenting post of being one, and who sagebomb and report threads they don't like because they're supposedly "sliding" their ultra-serious business discussions. It's absolutely ludicrous.

I think you're exaggerating. People who accuse others of being shills without any foundation are banned/warned sometimes. This type of behavior isn't being encouraged.
Anyway, it was still them who brought all the cuck shitposting, "redpill me on X" and "is X White", etc after they migrated. Those kind of shit threads weren't posted during the first exodus, now we need mods to deal with them. It's simple.

>The trolls especially from /int/ are just a reaction to that. The type of stormweenie you find on /pol/ currently is the right-wing equivalent of tumblr special snowflake faggots who get "triggered" if they're confronted with different opinions.

No. You are just bored shitposters. You do this on every board that has a few rules too.

>If people would simply ignore obvious b8 threads, people wouldn't be making them any longer.

Too bad that they don't. Intervention is necessary.

>>6537

>every anime fan is a weeaboo Narutard

Are you even trying, nigger? Again, just go to leddit. It sounds like the perfect place for you.

>>6517

Ha, fuck you pleb. 60% of the bumped threads these days are the same tired racebait and "le jews!!!!"

There was zero of that bullshit in September, it was straight up politics and only politics. Morons came in later and all the great thoughtful posters left.

The only good thing about /pol/ these days is stickying important happenings, even though discussion quality has gone straight down the shitter.

>>6541

But I didn't said anything about the quality itself. It was indeed better, but there were still a few rules to prevent shitposting.

>Morons came in later and all the great thoughtful posters left

Where did they go though? I'm not aware of any better alternatives.

>>6548
>"We should fight shitposting with even more shitposting!"
I'm not talking about shitposters, but about assborgers who take their board and their "internet fight" very seriously.

>>6553

Shill accusations without any foundation are considered shitposting. There really isn't anything we can do about that other than to warn/ban the retarded niggers who do that.

>>6555

Dude, what are you doing here? Didn't you said you were going back to cuckchan?

>>6558

>feminist animay

Oxymoron detected.

Neither of those things have anything to do with each other too. You're a retard.

>>6561

Not my article. I'm posting that to show you that even nationalistic websites have no issue with anime as long you don't obsess over it or Japanese culture in general.

>I'm posting the representation of the animay fan the average person has

And where do your statistics come from I might ask?

>associating with anime is death if you want to have ideological influence among anyone other than SJW types for whom weakness is actually a strength, because being a professional victim is actually one of their strategies

I don't think a few animu images are going to have any impact in how people see /pol/. The anti-semitism, racism and nationalism is much more of a normalfag turnoff than anime is. Normalfags belong in leddit anyway. Why do you want them to shitpost on /pol/?

>>6562

So a few feminists were pushing for anime to become more feministic there? Is that what you mean? Japan doesn't give a fuck about feminism. This doesn't matter. They can't influence anything outside the West.

>>6564

Also, just to add in: we are supposed to influence bluepilled normalfags OUTSIDE the board, not bring them here. They are eventually going to turn the board more libtard/SJW friendly over time if we do that. What we do inside of /pol/ is irrelevant. It's the actual ideology being promoted that's relevant, not the "base of operations".

>>6564
>I don't think a few animu images are going to have any impact in how people see /pol/. The anti-semitism, racism and nationalism is much more of a normalfag turnoff

wrong wrong wrong. all those are empowering phenomena

weebism is weakness

the bottom line is always strength. strength is the ultimate virtue. and associating with anime makes you look weak

>>6567

Both have a bad social image among "normal people". The average person associates nationalists/racists with criminal neonazi gangs.

Also, see: >>6566

>>6566
>What we do inside of /pol/ is irrelevant

I'm sure this is what the literal irl sturmarbeitelung homos thought

and then they were executed for sodomy

He's 100% right.

The mods are being bullied by the paranoid "OMG ITS A SHILL" posters who demand the board remain 100% NatSoc. The head volunteer is a beta faggot who's afraid to upset anyone, and the rest of the volunteers are reverse-SJWs who want to stifle dissenting opinions.

/pol/ shouldn't be a NatSoc board. That kills it.

What needs to be done:
1. Make "shill" a bannable word.
2. Get rid of any natsoc imagery on the part of the mods.
3. Ban obvious invaders without making a grand announcement (tact, do you have it?)
4. let people have fun again. serious /pol/ is just Stormfront

I'm not returning to halfchan, but I'm now without a main board because I was banned on SUSPICION of being an /int/ raider. The paranoia is off the charts.

>>6567
those that lust for power are often the most insecure :(

>>6637
i just want a working board. loving this stuff. learning is good. ongoing communication most desirable. Shut It Down and banning opinions, somefags trying to reverse or undo accuratized approval or even examination of NatSoc (gee I wonder) - is not something I can condone.

been studying this since the 90s, it's so much better these days, we actually get to see evidence and discuss.

anonymous online think tank is glorious gift.

regular Hide used on
ID:ce2b12
ID:eb8940
this thread is super easy to read.

>>6607
perhaps i was hasty previously; after willingly TGSNT-pilling myself i want a better world for all of humanity. and racism online is safer than on the streets (where I get along just fine with mostly everyone, most of the time.

muh diplomacy | muh olive branch.

>>6607
>4. let people have fun again. serious /pol/ is just Stormfront

Go fuck yourself. If you want to have "fun" (a.k.a shitpost) you can do that in any of the dozens of designated shitposting boards in the top 25. /pol/ is one of the only boards you can go to on this shit site for serious discussion and it needs to stay that way.

Making shill a bannable word is pointless, people will find a way around the filter or simply come up with a new phrase. Quietly banning "obvious invaders" is a very slippery slope. and is very likely to lead to mods banning people with unpopular opinions.

The only thing I agree with is getting rid of any natsoc imagery on the part of the mods. /pol/ is much stronger as a politics board that happens to be natsoc than it is as a natsoc politics board.

>>6655
Like I said, there are dozens of shitposting boards for you to have "fun" on.

>>6519
>You go to /int/, the worst board on this site, your opinion is automatically discarded because of that alone.
This!

>>6517
>Stop pretending you're part of our community, you're just a cancerous shitposting faggot. Now go back to your garbage board which makes /b/ seem like a decent place by comparison.
This.

>>6537
>you are the type of SJW that wormed their way into 4chan's administration. and you're trying to do it here now
This
>>6538
>Anyway, it was still them who brought all the cuck shitposting, "redpill me on X" and "is X White", etc after they migrated. Those kind of shit threads weren't posted during the first exodus, now we need mods to deal with them. It's simple.
>Too bad that they don't. Intervention is necessary.
This

>/int/shit
This

>>6654
>Go fuck yourself. If you want to have "fun" (a.k.a shitpost) you can do that in any of the dozens of designated shitposting boards in the top 25.
This
>>6656
This

>>6460

The first spike is indicative of the migration pattern from halfchan.

For a while, there was cohesion, but then people started to create boards like /leftypol/ and /gamergate/, which caused a decrease in population.

Now, since moot has left halfchan, some people are returning there to post on their /pol/.

I wonder what you are going to do Board Owner. Go along with the majority or do what is right. A majority certainly has say but like a democracy; it isn't the absolute determiner of what is right and need to be done. You could have a majority to vote for the destruction of the world or anything but it doesn't mean that it's necessarily the right thing to do.

The simple fact of the matter is that overall /pol/ is way more serious than older iterations of /pol/. The very fundamental draw of /pol/ was not it's politics but rather the fun that people had at the place. The progression of seriousness on the board had roots in actions that certain users, implemented through mods. The more you make incentives for a certain kind of users to grow the more you make these groups larger and other groups smaller.

Personally, I considered /pol/ to be my main main board but overtime I sought different places over /pol/ because I could have more fun there than /pol/. I still consider /pol/ to be a main board of mine and I still browse it a lot, just not as much and not as proudly as before. Heck, even half-chan /pol/ is currently more fun with people there stating that 8/pol/ is too serious for them in one pic.

You can't just sit there and think that all of these things that happened against /pol/ is as "natural" as some of these other posters in this thread stated. Just look around you; we have many many "pol" splinters with even /leftypol/ in the top boards. You have many posters on this site on other boards stating on how this board has become less fun and too serious as well as half-/pol/. You even had goddamn hotwheels himself confirm that YOUR /pol/ has declined in a list associated with larger moderation. You even have the data to back it up. Your board also has a higher thread limit than other boards giving you a bonus in traffic. Hotwheels himself even stated that /v/ is the only large population board that is growing.

Don't just listen to those who try to surgarcoat or ignore the hard painful truth.
Don't just be ignorant to your surroundings and ignore all the evidence.

These people who want the over moderation are people who think that a volunteer should stretch their powers over minimal security; that they should also enforce "quality", provide "incentives", remove "undesirables", and finally mold/shape the community in their "ideal". So is the concept of a minimalist vs an idealist. Where the minimalist wishes to let the community grow through the actions of the users rather than be fostered through moderation and thus into what is "ideal" for an idealist. One thinks that the government's power isn't the problem but rather isn't doing things "correctly" or "ideally". The other wishes to mitigate the power and allow for community itself to grow naturally through it's users.

You can usually see this in ideology's. NatSocs usually believe in an interventionist government that molds, shapes, and drives a society into what they find is "ideal" and stamp out "undesirables" from society to further the goals toward the vision or agenda. libertarians tend to allow human nature to progress by the individual as they tend to recognize the "potential" of humans to do good and bad things as well as a variety of things. To explore this potential, they give people some sort of individual determinism that allows for individuals to utilize their freedom to explore their potential for good or for worse in hopes of discovery. Violation of another's freedom or rights tend to be moderated minimally enough. It is the recognition of human nature and a system to account for human nature and potential. It is essentially a multitude of visions worked toward rather than a single one.

Point is that ideology affects how a person envisions moderation. The people who left 8chan/pol/ had some sort of feelings that would lead them to do so. People who came here from there and went back confirmed that 8chan/pol/ was too serious and less fun for them in a pic. One of your volunteers also confirmed this. Think of the future for the board in the future as well. Do you think seriousness beats fun or fun beats seriousness. Think of the past and how older iterations of /pol/ succeeded.

It's ultimately your choice, but that's my two cents at least.

>Le lets not talk seriously about serious events on a board dedicated to discussing these events.

Lets al post le waifu tits desu :DDDDDD

Fuck off, you have /a/ and /int/ for your weeb autism

>>6654
No fun allowed xDDDDDDDD HODBOGGETD :DDDDDDDDDD

>>6713
Fugggg xDDDDD bass de giges :—-DDDDD

You take yourself way to seriously you autismal fuck.

Seriously, you and your cringe is why people don't likr /pol/ anymore. It certainly is why i don't

>>6607
I'm not Nazi and have never been one, your opinion is worthless.

>>6460
This is what happens to websites. You haven't even seen your first summer and you're already making absurd projections. How have /b/ and /gamergate/ faired? Activity slumps, it happens.

If we cared about dank memes and shitposting so much don't you think /int/ would be the most popular board by its own merits?

>>6806

yup, yet they keep assuming the people who are making fun of them are political enemies like da joos or liburls.

feel free to shit up /polpol/ tho

Why the hell are you faggot mods trying your best to destroy /pol? Free speech is good and all but this lolli bullshit has no place here.

It is obvious to me that you useless faggots are trying to destroy our reputation.

Porn is not the same as free speech. There are plenty of other places that allow loli. why he hell should it be allowed here?

>>6460
Yes this happens if you apply a more strict moderation style to actual /pol/ posters but let the /int/ fucks continue to post their smug Pepe shit and the six millionth 'are x white" threads.

Congratulations, you ran the place into the ground. You reached your goal.

>>6812

*tips stahlhelm*

m'fuhrer

>>6811
>It is obvious to me that you useless faggots are trying to destroy our reputation.
There was a thread the other day about how /pol/ has been ruined by faggots who take it too seriously. You're one of them.

/pol/ has never had a good reputation.

>>6460
>death of boards is caused by too much moderation

Oh no one's complaining about 'too much moderation'. What's happening on /pol/ is just a mod sanctioned raid.

Indifferent Board Owner is what's the death of this one.

>>6812

You are grossly misinterpreting the spirit of that image. The mod who made it isn't even a libertarian and actually leans more to the side of Natsoc. It was meant to clarify that Natsoc is, and always will be, an integral part of the board, and they will always be welcome here.

>>6860

The Board Owner is definitely not indifferent to what is happening, he's aware of what's happening and will likely give his word on things when he has a stable internet connection.

>>6937

capcode

sorry, am rapidly switching between /pol/ and /polmeta/

>>6937
>"coddled by moderation"
>lolbertarian HW approved!
>he is NatSoc! listen and believe me
That is fucking bullshit.

>>6976
You revisionist newfaggots that came here in the past 3 months stick out like Communists on the Ostfront. You are Bolsheviks and are you inching your way into /pol/ like a cancerous termite.