/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

I think it's a good idea but the fact is the split into pol, leftypol, and polpol happened because the populace of each board do not see eye to eye.

What cause could unite such a chaotic mass of minds?

>>10088
/pol/ is atleast a notch higher then that.

>echo chamber

There's that buzzword again.

>>10093
Well, I'd pitch it like so: if pol were an empire, leftypol, polpol, liberty, et cetera are the heirs. Imagine if, say, they each had a symbol or coat of arms, or flag, that would clearly identify their leanings but also pay homage to the old pol or /n/ or what have you (I came to 4pol in late 2013, can you tell?).

These boards would have a sticky, or some header at the top of a page, that linked to corresponding "politically-incorrect" boards, and so instead of being bitter 'gb2 leftypol' we'd be something more like friendly rivals. Think: ancient Greece, or medieval Italy, or the early USA (from what I've heard).

It'd be hard to split those constituent boards up on ideological grounds, also, since they already have. More mods to each poster (relatively) means that moderation is easier and it's harder to slide and shill. It seems like a win-win.

We'd be able to retreat to our 'homes', if you will, to regroup, have definitive stickies regarding the canon of information for that fashion of thought, and then bring it to the table if we'd venture to another board to try our mettle against others. See how leftypol occasionally, but extremely cogently and intelligently (until they get blown the fuck out) conducts argument here, and sometimes on pol? Like that.

Food for thought. It's a gamble, but I think it's worth more of a try than this constant back and forth between a semi-decent main/pol/ and a shitfest spurred on by lenient mods and a massive influx of newbies.

>>10111
Try not to paraphrase my points into convenient memespeak mate, it hurts your position if you fall into stupid rhetoric and name calling. Are you a child? I don't want to explain to you as if you were. I'm all for the far-right and proper moderation. I firmly believe in this position, and that I can justify it. But you misunderstand: We don't bring the leftists here. We don't bring the "commies and lolbergs" here. They fuck off to their homes, and we get ours. But we acknowledge and have easy access to it. It's just a question of how far you blur the lines.

>>10111

Yes, it could be the /pol/ mods being desperate that people are abandoning their shithole indeed.

I'm fine with how the board currently is. We already have a good sized userbase + decent PPH. If we start growing uncontrollably due to people coming here to crosspost the quality will obviously decline.

What's really ironic is that this board is much more reminiscent of first exodus 8/pol/ than the other shittier alternative. What always differentiated us from cuck/pol/ was the overall higher quality of the board, not the lack of rules or any stupid shit the shitposters or the retarded /pol/ mods are trying to push.

>>10115

>We don't bring the "commies and lolbergs" here. They fuck off to their homes, and we get ours. But we acknowledge and have easy access to it. It's just a question of how far you blur the lines.

You realize that this can backfire hard if we actually start encouraging them to come here, right? People who aren't retards already left /pol/, and more will leave on their own if they are sensible enough to perceive that the board is obviously falling into an abyss of shit.

>>10118
Yes, that came to my attention; thank god for this thread. I think that we can agree that what's left of main/pol/ is the dregs of the userbase, but what about the other offshoots? How would you gauge them?

>>10121

As I said, they will come here on their own if they care about the fact that the overall quality of 8/pol/ is becoming unbearably shit. This is a very similar scenario to what happened in the first exodus: only the most intelligent and good contributing posters left, the rest of the two digit IQ retards stayed there thinking they could "win" against the SJW cuckchan mods or were just too retarded to guess what's going on the board and the site in general.

>>10115
>>10121
/polpol/ has split for very different reasons than /lolberty/ and /gommiepol/. We here at dubs/pol/ came here as a refuge from incompetent/malicious moderation actively facilitating the culling of quality, the others split because of conflict of ideology. Although /leftypol/'s position is arguable since they were a board that spawned form outsiders on /gg/.

>>10118
The problem is with most of the quality posters leaving, /pol/ turned even dumber, which drives a lower kind of quality poster to /polpol/ which turns /pol/ even dumber, etc… until not just the quality, but also the population starts to decline, then the boards starts to slide down the board ranking, very slowly, because once in a while someone who has left will still go to /pol/ etc.

>>10125
>>10124
>>10122
Now, this can all be boiled down to a few simple questions.

Do we have a moral obligation to spread our ideology to others?
Do others deserve to be here?
If so, do they have the means?
If not, do we provide a greater means, given that that may spell the ruin of this place?

I'm content to let time tell, as it seems the overwhelming consensus is against me. Let this thread die, but let these questions sit in the back of your mind if this board doesn't change in the near future. The old pol had about three thousand posters, and this board has about five hundred.

>>10130

Don't worry about it, m8. You had your heart in the right place but you just couldn't draw the parallel between this and what happened during the first exodus. It all makes sense when you do. We only encouraged a few people to leave in the beginning, when the actual shitstorm was happening. Now that it cooled off a bit, it's up to the good contributing users themselves find this board on their own and abandon the other shithole for good.

>>10131
I didn't come in the first exodus, but I understand. Cheers.

>>10122
i think the central point of your post that i agree with is that not all ideologies are valid. people are trained, indoctrinated, into thinking that the "truth" is somehow, or somewhere, in the middle, of whatever schism or issue they're dealing with. they think they're being tactful and critical by espousing faux aphorisms like "well i think both sides make valid points and we can acknowledge that each can learn from the other" which is fundamentally incorrect when it comes to most things.

there is little, if anything, to be learned from a marxist or neo communist, communism is cultural cancer, it objectively intellectually and morally puerile, there is no debating this or "taking some positives away" from it.

there are empirical truths in this world, physical realities, demonstrable facts, whether or not critical theory and postmodernism would have us believe otherwise.

communists, bolsheviks, leftwing ideologues, marxists, neomarxists, anarchists et al are retarded, little can be gained from indulging in discourse with people who subscribe to broken philosophies and ideologies.

we shouldnt have to tolerate their existence in the real world, let alone on the internet where we absolutely are not obliged to, most people here have no interest in hearing a trotskyist or marxist perspective on the yemen conflict or the recent nigger shooting.

the ONLY valid argument i can see in occupying the same forum as them is the ability to sway more to our side, but thats on them, you're either smart enough to come to the conclusion that every reasonably intelligent person comes to eventually - that being the third position - or you're a moron not worth saving.

>>10133

Yeah, but that's okay too I guess. You don't sound like a shitposting retard. The majority of the people who came in the second exodus were shitposters and shills who dragged the quality of the board down, but there were a few exceptions, obviously.

>>10130
>Do we have a moral obligation to spread our ideology to others?
we do but i dont think the sort of person who would post on /leftypol/ is the target audience.

>>10130
>I'm content to let time tell, as it seems the overwhelming consensus is against me. Let this thread die, but let these questions sit in the back of your mind if this board doesn't change in the near future. The old pol had about three thousand posters, and this board has about five hundred.
You've even admitted you're new, so don't try to infer what's best for the board.

I have no doubt that the consensus would change if the rest of /pol/ came here, but it won't because we don't want them. It may seem arrogant, but the 2500 others and everyone else who cries "stormfag" are the dregs, no different than than cuckchanners or redditors.

Right now, /polpol/ is at an ideal size and what it needs is slow, natural growth which we will gain by showing that we are a quality board. That kind of growth comes in 10 or 20 new users a week, who will be forced to integrate - not 1000 newfags who can shout down the original userbase the same way that lolbergs have done on 4/pol/ and 8/pol/.

>>10141
>what it needs is slow, natural growth which we will gain by showing that we are a quality board.
I agree, the worse thing that could happen is if we boomed to fast.

Personally I expect use to become the fifth or sixeth biggest board on 8chan, which is an ideal size, just below all the shitposting board

>>10144
Personally, and I may be an outlier here, I like the speed of the board. I can make a well thought out statement at my leisure, get the necessary sources, and type it all up. I don't have to worry about keeping up with the bantz.

>>10115
>Well, I'd pitch it like so: if pol were an empire, leftypol, polpol, liberty, et cetera are the heirs. Imagine if, say, they each had a symbol or coat of arms, or flag, that would clearly identify their leanings but also pay homage to the old pol or /n/ or what have you (I came to 4pol in late 2013, can you tell?).

>These boards would have a sticky, or some header at the top of a page, that linked to corresponding "politically-incorrect" boards, and so instead of being bitter 'gb2 leftypol' we'd be something more like friendly rivals. Think: ancient Greece, or medieval Italy, or the early USA (from what I've heard).

Hahaha, what? Leftypol didn't split off, they just went away to do their own shit. Similarly, the other /pol/ boards broke off because the situation "in the empire" bcame unbearable. Heirs? Don't make me laugh.

We're not friend with the like of /leftypol/ either. We're enemies. What kind of feel-good bullshit is this supposed to be?

>>10115
I really like this idea. We need an alliance in order to ever have meaning again after the death of 4chan. I can tell you're new but only because you have a reasonable one and don't vomit memes and sarcasm to compensate for an inability to debate coherently.

However I think the various responses to this clearly show an issue. The National Socialists are elitist jackasses who refuse to cooperate with anyone because of their Jewish boogeyman. They also seem incapable of admitting that they can be wrong, whether or not it has to do with idealogy. I believe they would sabotage any effort to collate as one counter-political body. Despite this, I believe many of our most intelligent posters adhere to this philosophy.

So what I want to figure it is how we build rapport between the various boards and stop the childish games which have come to define chan culture. It is painfully obvious that counter-political culture here has been successfully divided an conquered. We have NO relevance to the outside world.

Could there be another board created and dedicated to x-posting popular threads and viewing them through the various ideologies? Maybe call it /debate/ or something similar, and advertise it as a space where people can test the mettle of their ideas in the fires of competition? Let me know what you think friend

>>10088
A bit off-topic, but Population should be the X axis, since it's the independent variable.

Quality of Discussion should be Y axis.

>>10088
No, fuck that. I don't give a shit about those boards and I don't even see what we have in common with them. Fuck em

>>10170
>The National Socialists are elitist jackasses who refuse to cooperate with anyone because of their Jewish boogeyman
>They also seem incapable of admitting that they can be wrong, whether or not it has to do with idealogy.
That's why you shouldn't be here, all non-NatSoc ideologies are Jewish to the core by their very nature, and no, Jews are not a boogeyman.

http://pastebin.com/u/TheZOG/1/?o=n1
http://pastebin.com/TzZC78cp
http://pastebin.com/MSvkCCRy

It's clear that you are (yet another) butthurt Libertarian, unable to accept the failures of your chosen ideology, and seek to distract from that by making unsubstantiated claims about the native population of this board.

You have a hugbox in >>>/liberty/, I suggest you use.

>>10149
Definitely an underrated post. Too many people and a speed too big destroys the whole point of a politics board as you cannot even make your points clearly and refute others, and generally read and follow the points made by everyone to actually benefit from the discussion, you lose all the benefits (imo) of an actual politics board centered around learning and discussing.

Board owner of /news/ here
what can i do?

>>10233
>14 missing posts

So what did they say? Or are you the /int/ shill everyone seems to say you are?

>>10218
Thanks for demonstrating my point so very thoroughly.

You're making some wild assumptions as is par for the course. Unlike you I don't subscribe blindly to any ideology. So to be clear, I'm not a libertarian or anything else, I just a person who cares about the future of my nation. I examine each issue carefully and try to choose the strongest solution based on what evidence I can find.

I really don't care that you think I don't belong. /new/ may have been a haven for National Socialists but your claim to native population on 8chan is simply laughable. There are a huge number of competing schools of thought which have been here from the beginning.

Concerning the ZIONIST Jews, I'm well aware that they are at the top of the corrupt world order. But they are still used as a boogeyman. Numerous times I have seen people blame plots that are clearly perpetrated by whites blamed on the Jews because NatSoc can't accept that we have evil elitist members of our race too.

And you've done it here too. Your post did nothing but label me with a preconceived notion and then call me a Jew puppet by doing so.

So fuck off with your buzzwords. I respect National Socialism but you've proven that you are unwilling to cooperate because you think your idealogy is without flaws. Sorry to remind you but even with perfect conditions in the Third Reich the other idealogies crushed yours under a jackboot and firebombs, then erased you from history.

How did they do this? By cooperating despite major political disagreements. You should take a page from that book if you ever hope to resurrect your beliefs in a globally relevant government.

>>10088
>not when I shift into mega maximum ultimate overdrive damage control
That thread is utter shit. Fuck /pol/ and fuck their damage control.

There is no raid, just a bunch of fucktarded vols who opened Pandora's Box because of their own incompetence and are just too pussy to express remorse.

>>10088
>We need a coalition of boards.

Nope.

>>10111
It's fucking hilarious how forced immigration and 'multi-culturalism' destroyed /pol/.

/shitpol/ has become a testament in and of itself.

>>10247
All I'm seeing is a bitter coward, unwilling to accept the truth and discard the propaganda.

If you want a debate, then I suggest you back up your claims instead of parroting pseudo-centrist nonsense about "Zionists" and bipartisanship.

>There are a huge number of competing schools of thought which have been here from the beginning.
Also, please don't pretend to be an oldfag. Both /pol/'s were Natsoc to the core until Libertarians showed up and started rewriting history, which they are presenting attempting here as well.

>>10286
I see you've now resorted to insulting my character, which speaks volumes about the quality of this discussion. Global geopolitics will never be as simple as utter dominance by a single race of people and its sad to see that you believe that. Are you without truly hope for the future?

To the point, I never asked to have a debate about ideology with you or anyone else. I made an observation based on my experiences on this website, and you attacked me. The point of my post was questioning how those of us not eating up the current narrative can work together to combat the tyranny of the modern political climate. You injected yourself into the conversation to lay down false accusations and demonstrated the legitimacy of my claims with your fallacial arguments.

In the spirit of cooperation I'll ignore your rude manner and humor you. What would suggest we do to actually affect a change which strengthens the counter cultural community that the various /pol/ boards represent?

Building and strengthening the whole is the only way we will ever have relevance outside of the web

>>10286
The Ron Paul supporters didn't sound like NatSocs to me.

>>10327
And you, stop trying to weaponise an image board.

>>10327
Seriously, what is so difficult about backing up your claims?

>The National Socialists are elitist jackasses who refuse to cooperate with anyone because of their Jewish boogeyman
>They also seem incapable of admitting that they can be wrong, whether or not it has to do with idealogy.
Concerning the ZIONIST Jews, I'm well aware that they are at the top of the corrupt world order. But they are still used as a boogeyman. Numerous times I have seen people blame plots that are clearly perpetrated by whites blamed on the Jews because NatSoc can't accept that we have evil elitist members of our race too.
>your claim to native population on 8chan is simply laughable. There are a huge number of competing schools of thought which have been here from the beginning.

Back up a single one of these, instead of playing pseudo-intellectual.

>What would suggest we do to actually affect a change which strengthens the counter cultural community that the various /pol/ boards represent?
>Building and strengthening the whole is the only way we will ever have relevance outside of the web
Nice false dichotomy faggot, Liberatarianism and Communsim are wholly utopian - unworkable outside of theory.

I've seen enough of this to know that the last thing /polpol/ needs is "co-operation" because every time we do that, the board comes apart from commie and lolberg shitposting.

>>10331
>The Ron Paul supporters didn't sound like NatSocs to me.
The Ron Paul supporters were the cancer. Paul might have had his heart in the right place, but the ideology is a one-way trip past the point of no return.

chelm.freeyellow.com/Jewish_index.html

>>10233
You have already been e-mailed back.

>>10339
Back on 4chon there were people saying the same thing you are now and even then there were libertarians to reject it.

/r/equesting the family tree of Ron Paul with the depreciating Star of David. That was fun.

>>10102
Echo chamber and hugbox are both buzzwords. Either way that word doesn't belong here. There is healthy discussion.

>>10354

I like to call /pol/ a "shitbox" when they try to throw that accusation at us. I recommend other people to do the same as well. Hilarity ensues.

>>10336
Although I suspect no level of evidence would satisfy you, I will attempt to elaborate.

NatSocs: your entire attitude is indicative of what I've described. The proof is in your unyielding attitude and utter dismissal of principles from any other school of thought. You are obviously blinded by your radical adherence to a single ideology. To say that every idea in a philosophy is utopian when the various principles within them are currently practiced in superpower countries is simply untrue.

Early /pol/ on 8chan: the threads have 404'ed. There is no way to 'prove' either of our positions short of screencaps, which I had neither the time nor desire to have created at that point. Monarchism, Neoreactionism, standard traditionalism, libertarianism, industrial and agricultural communism and other schools of thought were all represented with discussion threads. Just because the National Socialists were the loudest did not make them the sole denizens of the board.

Zionists: the burden of proof is on you here to somehow prove that all Jews are involved in globalist scheming. You are making the same mistake Hitler did by scapegoating an entire people when the reality is far more complex. My point is simple: the Zionists are elite nationalists with a great deal of power, as can be easily seen in the Isreali government and it's influence on world affairs. Netenyahu is a fine example of one of these people.

I can definitely tell you're just angry at me now. The conversation you so rudely interrupted was about coalition, as in cooperation amongst different boards not within them. I am fine with /polpol/ be a heavily moderated NatSoc board. I want each community that cannot see eye to eye to have their own boards to discuss on without being interrupted by all the retarded memes that have been developed to insult people and remove focus from intelligent discussion.

What I want to do is find a way to get a larger group going when action is needed to address policies that would hurt all right-wing ideologies wherever they occur.

Concerning my 'false dichotomy' (you used the term incorrectly as I never presented two options) I would love to hear how you plan to make National Socialism (since that is apparently the only political system capable of working) relevant again by posting anonymously on an image board.

Once more, please suggest a way that we can work together while preserving respect for each others beliefs. Otherwise enjoy wallowing in irrelevance on the fringes of the internet.

>>10332
You give me too much credit. I simply want to build our community into a voice that actually matters instead of one that only bitches about how the world sucks. If we organize we can spread our knowledge faster and further. We can let more people know that there are those who don't agree with the current systems in place. We can give people hope again.

>>10170
>We have NO relevance to the outside world

The whole point of /new/ or /pol/ or whatever is to exist and detail forbidden truths. It isn't a chanology movement aimed at getting everyone to vote "correctly" or anything like that. People find their own way here and get "redpilled". They then take that in to their own lives in different ways for different people.

Allowing shitposting or forcing an "anti-hugbox" diversity agenda dilutes that. Compare 4chan /new/ content (detailed discussions on judaism and masonry, William Pierce threads, etc) with later /pol/ content (hurr niggers, catfights with SJWs on Twitter, etc).

tl;dr The purpose of /polpol/ is to exist in an undiluted form and share forbidden info.

>>10400

Not to mention that if we started bringing normalfags en masse here they would eventually make the board more libturd friendly in general, and diluting most of /pol/'s views and ideas. We don't need to bring people here, we can influence them outside of the board if we want.

>>10233
>>10244
right now best thing you can do is reamin active in logins so no one else can claim your urls, if /pol/ continues to weaken certain corrupt parties may attempt to claim those urls to create a board and promote it as its successor.