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Anarchism General Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 20:29:43 c5c688 No.1062

anarchism general
because /anarcho/ is kill

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 20:43:45 036cba No.1065

>>1062
just joined the IWW last week, anyone have experience in it? any volunteers here?

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 20:48:16 49207b No.1067

Let's say anarchy would happen. What would it look like in your opinion, OP? I'd expect chaos, but you seem to think differently.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:04:45 036cba No.1072

>>1067
not OP but il give a prediction (assuming this is "anarchy" based on anarchist principles)

>workplaces become democracies
>without frivolous parking rules, insurance mandates etc city streets become fairly full as most people can own a car
>above-ground chemists are able to make chemical drugs without fear leaving higher quality and cheaper product for users
>ordinary people can grow weed since it is a weed and not that hard to grow
>apartments stop being apartments and start being condos in the absence of a landlord
>without standards for diesel fuel (only high grade is allowed for trucks) large cities may be smoggy depending on weather

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:21:32 49207b No.1078

>>1072
That doesn't sound very pleasant. Especially the workplace becoming a democracy. I don't think people should be allowed to vote the direction a company is taking just because they work there. Especially the ones who work easy jobs and wouldn't have a clue what's best for the company.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:21:54 74db7c No.1081

>>1067
>no more needlessly complicated legal framework to abide by meaning that more people would try new things thanks to not being restricted by fines and sentences
>no more super filthy rich fuckers that keep everyone complacent and obediant with their politicians and media outlets
>no more authority keeping post-scarcity away for the sake of profits or control
>science will be more free from inane ethical concerns
>culture will develop more rapidly due to open source software and publically owned media becoming the norm
>and best of all, no more giant wars

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:24:38 74db7c No.1082

>>1078
Actually, co-opts already exist and many are very succesful. You should read up on how lots of co-opts handle workplace democracy, it might not be what you think.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:31:24 49207b No.1084

>>1082
It probably isn't what I think.

>>1081
Without the government, who's going to oversee stuff like education and infrastructure etc? Besides that, it seems like a system which someone could easily take advantage of.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:36:56 74db7c No.1086

>>1084
No one really needs laws in order to teach or build a road. Sure some might need an incentive, but where there isn't money the incentive can be something simpler like necessity or even just goodwill. Most jobs like teachers arn't even that necessary anymore, people will just create more efficient online educational tools, same goes for roads sorta. Right now roads are still around because people get paid to make them. Without money people will say fuck roads they arnt even that good, and as road builders naturally dwindle in numbers from lack of interest, new better vehicles will be made.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:40:38 0b3322 No.1089

The most plausible tipe of Anarchism is Anarcho-Capitalism.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:45:21 74db7c No.1091

>>1089
But that's not anarchism. Capitalism is inherently hierarchal. Also that would mean that there would be even less freedoms than even muikstans current police state state because atleast murikstan forces businesses to not control EVERY aspect of peoples lives, but in "anarcho"-capitalism businesses WILL control every aspect of peoples lives because there is no reason for them not to, its simply more profitable.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:55:08 49207b No.1097

>>1086
So these new vehicles will be made and all the half products etc needed to set up shop and start production will need to be moved without a working infrastructure. This would be difficult in countries like the Netherlands which imports a lot of products.

Are these companies going to take the initiative to build this infrastructure? That would be extremely expensive, I don't think that would happen.

I think it would be something like multiple companies working together without having anyone in a higher position than the workers. It'd be pretty chaotic.

The change of programs substituting is very small. It's just not the same. I can't imagine finishing my study without the help I'm getting now.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 21:55:07 0b3322 No.1098

>>1091
Anarcho-Communism is not Anarchism. It has collective authority, therefore a state.

And you are mistaking fascism (corporatism) with capitalism. Fascism/Corporatism is the colusion bettwen corporations and the state (lobbyism). And impossible in Ancap society.

Every Anarchism has pseudo authority, Ancap has the less forced authority of all.

I am not an Anarchist, so I don't want to take this conversation very deeply.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 23:17:28 2b3ee3 No.1111

>>1098
You're talking about crony capitalism, not corporatism.

Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 23:52:52 0b3322 No.1113

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>>1111
It is fascism by Mussolini's definition.

If you don't know, Mussolini is the creator of fascism.

>Btw, nice fucking quads.

Anonymous 02/19/15 (Thu) 01:54:00 9bde7a No.1128

>>1062
How about being a stealth anarchist in a society - only bound by a thin superficiality of legal behavior?
You know, not pushing your views on anyone else, but yourself. Start thinking of the society, police, laws, others as environmental hazards rather than important individuals.

Anonymous 02/19/15 (Thu) 05:00:13 710805 No.1154

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Anarchs > anarchists

ride the tiger brah

Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 05:39:07 33669e No.1727

So if anarchy happens, what would be the next economy/dollar? A gift economy? Or what?

Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 07:16:16 2b3ee3 No.1736

>>1113
All you demonstrate is the typical libertarian misinterpretation of "corporation" in that quote:

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power

But hey, let's stick to what Mussolini said! Straight from the Doctrine of Fascism:

When brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State

Corporation as used in fascism simply means a unique and organically occurring interest within a society. The first quote does not mean a plutocracy caused by the fusion of business elites and state managers. It means the end of intrasocietal conflict by giving every sect within the people a checked balance of power within the state.

Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 13:12:24 0b3322 No.1774

>>1736
What about the lobbyism that comes after?

Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 22:11:45 2b3ee3 No.1845

>>1774
Seeing as fascism does not allow for a multiparty representative democracy, politicians do not need to find a sugar daddy to obtain/retain office

Anonymous 02/21/15 (Sat) 23:00:31 0b3322 No.1847

>>1845
>Implying money is ever too much for someone in power.
>Implying that by that logic they wouldn't be as corrupt, only less because the sistem is more resctrictive to entry.
>Implying Libertarians want multiparty representative democracy exactly like the one we have today.

No man, too risky. Fascism might lead to a mini NWO, the "great leader" might want to chips us and shit.

Small goverment with high sentences for lobbying would be nice. Add in a fucking steel-balled anti-collusion/anti-corruption police and let the party begin.

Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 00:00:43 d6ba1c No.1858

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>>1062

Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 15:00:00 33669e No.1938

Bump this thread, for interesting discussion

Anonymous 02/22/15 (Sun) 15:00:29 33669e No.1939

>>1938
discussions*

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 22:39:24 d6ba1c No.13259

>>1062
Proudhon was a boss