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ebf3df No.10646

http://www.thelocal.at/20150327/doctor-71-sentenced-for-holocaust-denial
https://archive.today/h10f2

>A 71-year-old doctor from Upper Austria has been sentenced to one year’s house arrest for Holocaust denial.

>On Thursday a jury at Linz Court unanimously agreed that a letter the doctor had sent to the local council and the administration of the Mauthausen concentration camp memorial site proved that he believed that the gas chambers and the systematic genocidal killing had been made up.

>The man, from the Mühlviertel region, wrote that he became convinced after visiting the Mauthausen site that the gas chambers had never existed and that therefore the Holocaust “must be a lie made up by Zionist bankers, who are still up to their mischief in Israel and the ‘Arab Spring’”.

>He went on to claim that Hitler and Germany were not to blame for WWII and that Austria would be forever burdened with the “Holocaust cudgel”.

>His lawyer argued that the 71-year-old was not a Nazi but merely a "troublemaker" who had a “particular character” and was “constantly trying to get to the bottom of things”.

>The defendant pleaded not guilty and said that he had only been trying to uncover the truth. He said that whilst he was at Mauthausen he noticed that there was no gas pipe leading to the gas chamber, and he could find no explanation of why this was so.

>The head of the Mauthausen Memorial appeared as a witness and described in detail to the 71-year-old how SS men had removed the gas pipes shortly before the camp was liberated in 1945. He said that historic records proved this was the case, and that it was clearly visible that the area where the pipes had been had been plastered over.

>The defendant told the court that “if that’s the case then I accept it but no one told me at the time”.

>A psychiatrist certified that the doctor was sane, but said that when he was convinced about something he would insist on it vehemently, “regardless of whether he upset or disturbed anyone.”

>The prosecutor recommended a guilty verdict, as a “signal that such statements will be taken seriously”.

What happened, /polpol/? When did saying facts out loud become such a horrible thing in the eyes of the law?

ebf3df No.10648

Additional vaguely-related link to the topic at hand

Cyprus Criminalizes Denial of 1915 Armenian Genocide
https://archive.today/9XFLK
>Cyprus on Thursday made it a crime to deny that Ottoman Turks committed genocide against Armenian Turks a century ago, a move likely to rile its old rival Turkey as peace talks on the ethnically split island remain stalled. The Cypriot parliament passed a resolution penalizing denial of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, modifying existing legislation, which required prior conviction by an international court to make denial a crime … The east Mediterranean island, split in a Turkish invasion in 1974 after a brief Greek-inspired coup, was one of the first countries worldwide in 1975 to recognize the Armenian killings as genocide. It is commemorated on April 24.

a7e1af No.10650

>>10646
>When did saying facts out loud become such a horrible thing in the eyes of the law?

1945

95733a No.10652

I can't even see Europeans as human beings with laws on the books like this. I really fucking don't.

ebf3df No.10655

>>10652
Imagine it then from a European perspective. I recently discovered that my own country had recently modified a law to make inciting hatred and denying the holocaust illegal (though this one will most likely get trumped by the ECJ or ECHR). Still, to know that I now say things that I could be criminalised for and own books which are considered hate propaganda is a very strange feeling.

c43eb3 No.10657

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>>10646
>was not a Nazi but merely a "troublemaker" who had a “particular character” and was “constantly trying to get to the bottom of things”.

It's time to make questioning any official opinion a crime, don't you think?

But seriously, this is insane:

> Some old guy wonders how this works without gas pipes
> Asks but finds no answer
> Publishes a letter
> Gets punished for it
> Some guy says they were removed

Imagine the same procedure applied on other issues.


>>10650

>>When did saying facts out loud become such a horrible thing in the eyes of the law?
>1945

Yeah, denazification was definitely the start. Though punishing holocaust denial only got big in the 1990s.

Examples:

> In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.

> In Belgium, Holocaust denial was made illegal in 1995.

> In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46.

> In Luxembourg, Article 457-3 of the Criminal Code, Act of 19 July 1997 outlaws Holocaust denial and denial of other genocides

1f4cb0 No.10658

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>>10655
>to know that I now say things that I could be criminalised for and own books which are considered hate propaganda is a very strange feeling.

To know that I own guns to shoot the people who would criminalize what I would say is a very comforting feeling.

ebf3df No.10660

>>10657
It really is, but what really makes it seem ridiculous to me on top of all of that is that they got a psychiatrist to certify if the guy was sane. It wasn't only sentencing an old guy for saying something, it also was having to make sure that he wasn't insane, paranoid, or whatever just for what really is a very healthy level of honesty and scepticism. I'm done with this time, absolutely done.


>>10658
I envy you. I can't own those unless I get a license, which I can't get for now out of never learning how to shoot or about guns.

a7e1af No.10664

>>10657
>Yeah, denazification was definitely the start. Though punishing holocaust denial only got big in the 1990s.

This doesn't have much of a basis, but i believe the end of the cold war can be attributed to it.

The east block became more western, yes, but the exchange of ideologies went both ways.

People naturally create counter movements. The communistic influenced hippie movement is one example.

When the image of an enemy disappeared, a lot of the pent up parts of this culture were free to spread without resistance.

Now the elite had an interest in pushing this stuff anyway and a great deal of eastern subversion was very successful.

These forces now met the perfect environment to prosper.

9aa6a7 No.10701

Eventually Germany and Austria will have to demand all the reparations back from the Jews and the state of Israel.

Germany and Austria should start by confiscating Jewish property in those countries and then demand more money from Israel.

9aa6a7 No.10715

>>10658
A gun isn't a machine, it's a mechanical tool.

c43eb3 No.10729

>>10646

Interesting thought though! If you compare the voting behavior of people living in West Germany with those living in the former GDR you can see that.

More people vote for the Left which is part successor of the former SED (the governing party in GDR; Marxist-Leninist). That's not so surprising.

But also, the NPD (National Democratic Party; NatSoc light) is a lot stronger than in West Germany.

c43eb3 No.10730

>>10729
meant to quote >>10664

b975a7 No.10894

The irony in all this is the first "holocau$t denier" was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rassinier

Paul Rassinier (1906 in Bermont – 1967) was a French pacifist, political activist, and author. He was also an anti-Nazi French Resistance fighter, and a prisoner of the German concentration camps at Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora. A journalist and editor, he wrote hundreds of articles on political and economic subjects. He is viewed as the father of Holocaust denial.

>anti-Nazi French Resistance fighter, and a prisoner of the German concentration camps at Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora

407618 No.10908

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>>10715
ma·chine
məˈSHēn/

noun: machine; plural noun: machines

1.
an apparatus using or applying mechanical power and having several parts, each with a definite function and together performing a particular task.
"a fax machine"
synonyms: apparatus, appliance, device, contraption, contrivance, mechanism, engine, gadget, tool
"a threshing machine"

407618 No.10909

>>10908
Take this as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzXG7MYX1c

9aa6a7 No.10944

>>10908
Dictionaries are usually terrible at finding the real meaning of a word, because they confuse the proper meaning of a word with the common meaning of a word.

A machine is several mechanism that work together and are being powered by an outside force, while a gun would be a single mechanism that get's released which causes a chemical reaction, which launches a bullet.

This is also the reason we use the word machine gun.

ca76e1 No.11130

>>10646

Even though I went to Mauthausen during my "bluepill" period, I actually did feel like the gas chamber wasn't convincing enough for me. Tbh, it looked like the inmates had it better than the tour guide was letting on. Of course, then followed cognitive dissonance for me.

407618 No.11134

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>>10944
I posted a video so you can educate yourself on firearm operation. I suggest you view it.

512a8f No.11137

>>10908
Not that your wrong but dictionaries are shit for backing up an argument.
They also say that police officers aren't civilians, the Germans gassed 6million jews, and the American Civil War was about slavery.


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