/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

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>>11839
>>11844
I really doubt if its bait. Its a good question.
Bait are your usual " Are x white, Race is social construct" and so on. Just give him an answer, and if he then acts like a shill, simply report him.

>>11835
If we only see the timeline of the 2nd world war, then infact it was Germany's fault because they are the ones who invaded Poland. But in order to see the full picture, we must extend our timeline all the way to the 1st world war.

Essentially what happened there was that Serbian rebel assasinated an Austrian prince?or something, and Austro-Hungary gave them an ultimatum which would make Serbia something like a vassal. Serbia denied , which made Austro-Hungary to declare war on them, which activated all the series of alliances.
Russia was called to help Serbia, Germany was called to help Austro-Hungary.

In school we were taught that the UK was actually the only country which wasn't dragged in the war and decided to join for themselfs.

In the end the German and jewish sponsored communist in Russia took power, while Germany despite not loosing decisively decided to surrender, which left a very bitter taste in the mouths of the German nationalist - Why make an unconditional surrender, when they could still fight?

Germany was declared the one who's at fault for the war, and because of this they lost territory and had to pay huge reparations to the victorious countries. ←- This is what was gonna lead to the 2nd world war.
1st they were declared the ones who started this conflict , which makes no sence.
It was Serbian nationalist who started it.
It was the Austro-Hungarian empire that declared war.
And it was THEN Germany and Russia who were dragged in the war by their friends.

2nd they lost territories, which ofcourse leads to revanchism and fuels nationalists.

3rd they had to pay for a war that they didn't cause, which led to the German economy to kill, which led to… you guessed it -> The rise of even more nationalists.

Because of all this Hitler came into power.
So again , if we only look at WW2's time period then yes, Germany is responsible.
If we look at the entire story, including the 1WW , then you'll see that if it wasn't for the allies putting all the blame , humiliating and making Germany colapse then Germany wouldn't have caused the 2nd world war.

>>11835

Did the Nazis had plans to conquer land in the East?
Yes, it's clear they had plans to conquer land or colonies in order to provide for a auto-sufficient and growing Germany in the future.
Russian lands in particular.

Was the invasion of Poland about it?
No, the problem with Poland was going since before Hitler came to power.
Persecutions of Germans in Germans cities were happening and of others minorities too.
The Poles wanted at any cost a degermanification of those cities and to integrate them to Poland, even though there were virtually no Poles living in there and they were just separated from Germany after WWI.

Relations between Poland and Germany were improving since Hitler came to power, he had a good relation with the head of Poland, but after his death those relations deteriorate.

pic related: Hitler attending a service for him in Berlin.

And every year they commemorate the day of his death, Hitler really admired him.

So, they kept trying to negotiate after his death with Poland but nothing came out of it.

And, in 1939, the situation was getting more intense as was the persecutions, and Germany decided it had reached its limit and gave a ultimatum to Poland, but, again, Poland ignored it.

The pact with the Soviets was signed just 1 week before the invasion, and even after that Hitler tried to reach a deal one more time.
He expected that with this deal, with the Soviets, he would keep England and France out of it, Germany plan was always to be a ally to those countries.

A spy sent Roosevelt a telegram about the German-Soviet deal the day it was signed.
The allies knew the Soviets would invade and divide Poland with the Germans, but decided not to tell it to the Poles.

Then, Germany invaded, took Poland, Hitler gave a speech trying to stay in peace with England and France saying that he didn't wanted war.
England and France declared war on Germany.
Germany kept trying not to engage with England.
Rudolf Hess flied in a solo mission to England trying at any cost to make peace with them, he was promptly arrested kept in prison till the end of the war, after the war tried as war criminal and spent the rest of his life in prison.

>>11863
the last peace offer Hitler offered to Poland

3 days before the war, published 1 day before

>>11835
Bloody Sunday. A powerful Empire would not stand idly to see such acts. Sorry Churchill brought you there, but the Reich would not yield for destruction and decadence, it was their time to fight, no matter what. For Germans, for Europe, against Communism and corporate greed alike.

>>11863

Screencapped for future reference. Thanks, based anon.

>>11835
>If they didn't invaded
JIDF, go work on your grammar before you cast your hook

>>12024
Stop with the *IDF , thats one of the things we want to avoid - people calling each other shills and not having a discussion.
BUT I might agree that there is something strange here, if we look at the ID's OP is no longer in this thread, which is a bit strange. He wanted to have an answer, we gave it to him, but he dissapeared…