ff4e0c No.12043
The board is in desperate need of OC, so here's my attempt. As we all know there are too many bluepilled people and far too few redpilled people. Some of us attempt to redpill our friends, family, and acquaintances from time to time. Those who have tried know that there is no one way to redpill. Some people start off with a few redpills and are easier to teach. Some are extremely redpilled and only need a little more information. Some are completely bluepilled and need to be informed very slowly.
What I'm suggesting in this thread is that we present arguments as if we were attempting to redpill someone on some sort of subject, any subject of your choosing. Other posters can reply to that argument and attempt to modify it for other audiences.
I'll start off with an example. A friend of mine recently told me he attempted to explain to his girlfriend and her friend why our government (US) is fucked up. He then told me that they didn't seem to grasp what he had said. When I asked him for further details he said something along the lines of "The disorder we see today has been pulled from communism to keep the people weak." This was more or less his argument. I would improve his argument by telling him that he first needs to consider his audience and how much of the redpill they are already aware of. Considering that they're probably bluepilled I would tell him that next time he tries to make that argument he shouldn't go into explaining cultural marxism right away. I would tell him to find something in society that the bluepilled individual doesn't agree with, something cultural marxism is responsible for, and build upon that. I would also tell him that he could go directly into an explanation of cultural marxism if the audience he was trying to inform were more redpilled.
ff4e0c No.12048
Another example: Sweden
You'd think that Americans wouldn't give a fuck about Sweden because we're shit at global politics, but what we need to do is look into the minds of the bluepilled. [The following is not factual information, it is what the bluepilled think] It is constantly taught to them that the US doesn't know how to govern itself. That we should be like the Scandinavian countries that pay burger flippers enough money to buy big houses, give their women 6 months of maternity leave, and feed and take care of immigrants of all kinds. In the event the bluepilled happen to know a specific Scandinavian country, that country is most likely Sweden. If someone were to ask a classroom "What do you think is the worst country in the world?" I could state that I think Sweden is the worst country. I would more than likely be laughed at. You wouldn't start digging into Sweden if you were trying to redpill the bluepilled on Sweden. What I would do, is I would find one of the many ridiculous things that Sweden does, like the picture in the OP, and just highlight how ridiculous the things they do are. At a later date, I could tell the person about how they renamed birds because they though their bird names were racist. I would tear down this notion they have that Sweden is the leftist heaven. Once that notion is shattered I could then go on to explain how their leftist policies are hurting their people.
beab9a No.12049
I've been thinking we need something like a database or interactive web of "redpill" arguments/infographics. Sort of like a wiki, but with a more intuitive design for moving between related topics (such as how you can easily jump from "corporate corruption of US politicians through lobbying and revolving door nepotism" to "the influence of the Israeli lobby in US politics") and with a tiered presentation of info/sources. So you could make a redpill statement and then link to the page on that topic. First opening the page, the viewer would see the sources that support the statement you made and a "more info" button. Clicking that button would expand the page to show the long form explanation of the statement that you'd made along with an "even more info" button. That one would expand the page to its full extent, showing the topic, its history, the consequences of it as well as a selection of links to related topics.
Basically make it so easy to see this shit that anyone that turns up their nose at it has no defense for their actions other than being a fucking retard.
ff4e0c No.12052
>>12049This is a good idea, and if this thread is successful we could make a wiki based on the information here, but the thing is
>Basically make it so easy to see this shit that anyone that turns up their nose at it has no defense for their actions other than being a fucking retard.Most people are actually fucking retards. If we wanted to inform the most people, we have to do most of our work on the bluepilled. The completely bluepilled. Facts don't come first with them. You have to make some sort of appeal to emotion first. Once they are warmed up to you facts can be used as a supplement.
2520a2 No.12058
>>12049>I've been thinking we need something like a database or interactive web of "redpill" arguments/infographics.How about The Brain?
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https://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/6FBA86B0-0C57-9FCA-5CF9-D742DA541AAA#-4411http://www.gnosticmedia.com/links/brain/'' beab9a No.12061
>>12058Woah, that is almost exactly the sort of thing I was imagining.
2520a2 No.12078
>>12061When the day comes that Tox has persistent groupchats, there'd be a great opportunity to organize projects expanding a database using Brain. Maybe?
4e54fc No.12089
>>12043What there are far too many are faggots who still use "red pilled" and "blue pilled" as shorthand for people who believe what I believe and "evil liberal commie faggots"
At least pick a goddamn ethos and not this intellectually low-hanging pill shit.
ff4e0c No.12090
>>12089Contribute or move on. I'm not going to change my terminology because it just happens to be your least favorite meme.
008d4a No.12092
>>12089>redpilled and bluepilled is intellectually low hangingthe terms have always meant one who seeks truth and one who is either completely unaware that they believe in lies or intentionally prefers believing in lies because it makes them feel good
ff4e0c No.12115
Here's a tip for general redpilling. Create doubt. When people think about redpilling, they think that you can either be successful or you can fail. There is a middle ground. If you state your argument, and it is the right type of argument for that type of person, they may not believe you today, but they may start to doubt their beliefs. You could redpill them on a future date and they'll be more open to what you have to say, or they'll research what you said in order to refute it. When they do this they will dive deeper into the marxist cesspool. You want this to happen because marxism is built upon lies and bullshit. This will help them see what their ideology is really made of.
ff4e0c No.12119
Here's an observation I've made that can be used for redpilling. In the US people are pretty unhappy with politicians and the government in general. Sure we still have the red team blue team circlejerk, but at the end of the day people do not like politicians or the government. They are used as tools to make the government bigger, but a lot of them don't necessarily know or support this. I don't think "the people are waking up". I think this distrust has been sewn as a tool to make the people more accepting of some form of globalism to come in the future. This has not been taught to the brainwashed masses quite yet. What one could do is suggest different forms of government. If you're a libertarian, explain how a libertarian system of government would do better and why they should support it. You could attempt to do the same for National Socialism, but like I've said before, consider your audience. National Socialism is a difficult redpill for most to swallow. If you're not sure about which form of government you like best just suggest that the current form desperately needs to be replaced. Create doubt that the current democratic system is the best possible system for the country. Explain how over time it will lead to the same thing over and over again.
495e3f No.12121
>>12089It's just Plato's people in the cave looking at the shadows on the wall and thinking they're real vs. people who have been out of the cave and see actual reality reworked with a reference to a contemporary and popular movie.
ff4e0c No.12140
A good way to redpill even the most bluepilled is to mention the Lacey Act. They tend to think the the legal system works well enough, but people have been charged with felonies just for owning a certain type of lobster. You could then, at a later date, go on to explain how the government could, and has, charged innocent people with ridiculous felonies, seemingly to get rid of them. Mentioning the 20,000 new laws the land of the free creates every year is an interesting redpill to work with as well.
ff4e0c No.12142
This goes without saying, but I'll explain a little bit as to why this is said. Do not redpill on the jews unless they have swallowed virtually every other redpill first. Jews are the very last thing you need to redpill someone on. If you have to provide some sort of explanation as to who is systematically fucking countries, cultures, and individuals over, you can use the terms "globalists" or "the rich" depending on what that person is willing to accept at the time. Those terms aren't wrong, and if the situation presents itself you can provide further details on who these rich globalists are. Unless you're in an extremely redpilled country (English won't be the primary language), people are absolutely hypnotized to white knight the jews. They have no real idea why they do it, but bring up the jews before people are ready to hear about them and they completely lose their shit. That is the one form of brainwashing that they absolutely made sure is rock solid. Suggesting that the holocaust never happened or the facts were exaggerated, or that jews milked the holocaust for some sort of gain makes you seem like a conspiracy nutcase. Explaining that "common facts" aren't completely true or a flat out lie is one hell of a redpill. This is why it should always be the very last one. Don't just dance around the question when people ask who is in charge of it all, but don't tell them the entire truth unless you are absolutely sure they are prepared for it.
beab9a No.12145
>>12140I think that can be a dangerous angle from which to approach the redpill process. I've noticed that a lot of people seem to overreact after they first break free and run toward anarchy, ideologically speaking, while equating authoritarianism with evil. Of that group, most seem to move back toward statism at least going as far as libertarianism, but the assumption that authoritarianism is inherently wrong is a sticking point for a lot of them.
I'd wager that this phenomenon is a result of the way most people get redpilled, which often happens as they become disillusioned with their own government. I think this leads to an association between government itself and evil. Especially in the US where a lot of emphasis gets placed on how the government is acting unconstitutionally, which can lead to a misplaced reverence for the Constitution as some end-all-be-all of governance.
I know it took me a lot of digging and reflection to move past those mental blocks.
ff4e0c No.12148
If you have younger males in your inner circle, and they are bluepilled on women, you want to make sure that you set them straight. Being bluepilled on women is extremely dangerous for numerous reasons, to the individual, and society. I could go on and on and on about this topic, but other people have already done so and worded it much better than I could have done. The Red Pill is a subreddit. I know pretty much everyone on any sort of pol does not like reddit for its leftist, circlejerking nature, but the information is clearly laid out for anyone that knows it is there. If you don't believe that it is a good source of information go over there and take a look at their stickies. I believe they are on the right side of the page. It's not PUA MGTOW bullshit, it is real, it is a science. If you don't like the posts, just stick to what's on the stickies. If you can't get the person you're trying to redpill to read the stickies, read them yourself and talk to them about it. A lot of things would be better if we didn't have a culture made up of white knights.
ff4e0c No.12151
>>12145If they become redpilled to that point you then need to steer them in the right direction. You could probably tell whether or not you've convinced the person that the system in place does not work. You could even explain to them what you've just said; that upon knowing what they now know many go towards anarchy or libertarianism. Tell them the flaws of that system. Ask them how an anarchy could stop a communist regime from taking over and working all the free people to death. Explain to them the benefits of a state controlled by the people as opposed to globalists.
beab9a No.12152
>>12151Yeah, that would be for the best. I just don't know if I've really seen much discussion of that phenomenon regarding why there is such a strong aversion to authoritarianism in some parts of the redpilled demographic.
ff4e0c No.12249
One observation I've made recently is gamergate. We need to look at it and realize what it is; the very first redpill for a lot of people. Lots and lots of people have been systematically redpilled on corrupt journalism, at least video game journalism. How did this come to be? Could something like this be done again with a different type of redpill? All very important questions. If you find a gamergate supporter, you could say to them "Video games journalism is corrupt. Do you think that is the only type of journalism that is corrupt? There are lots of stories that the media simply refuses to report on such as (recent buried news story). What do you think about that?" Build upon existing redpills, if possible, create doubt. Also, do NOT do this on the gamergate board. If you're trying to redpill, do it one on one. When people as a group are confronted with conflicting beliefs they will circle jerk with each other to deny what you are trying to say. There is no reason to redpill a group all at once.
178a55 No.12262