>>13238First off, I am not a MGTOW. Second off, I am not going to deny that there's a huge portion of MGTOW who are pretty much embittered and broken for life (I said as much before) but many of them don't say that they'll fuck you over no matter what - they merely say that the risk is too great, and the law too geared toward fucking men over, for marriage to be worth the risk.
I've said it before, I believe that the foundation of civilization is strong, two-parent families between people who marry for life and raise children together. That's why it's so troubling to me that MGTOWs have an awful lot of valid concerns.
I'm not pretending men are innocent angels. I am sure there are divorces that happen where the woman is completely justified in asking for a divorce. But you cannot deny that women are exposed, in our culture, to the message that divorce is empowering, and you should divorce someone if you're simply not happy. Men receive the message that if they're not happy, they should work at the relationship (and it is usually implied that they are being ungrateful, or immature, if they're not happy in a relationship.) Which, by the way, is AS IT SHOULD BE - happiness and dissatisfaction are ephemeral, and you should always be pressured to KEEP THE MARRIAGE TOGETHER in situations like this. Long-term, you'll be grateful for it. There are always going to be doubts in a long relationship. You work through them. I can't believe that you claim to be a christian traditionalist and then have the gall to say "Oh well, how many of these women divorced these men because they stopped being sexually attracted to her?"
Newsflash: People AGE. You are INEVITABLY going to, one day, not find your partner as sexually attractive as you once did. If a man said "Oh, I divorced my wife because I don't think she found me attractive anymore", you'd easily be able to see how this was frivolous bullshit, and the man was an idiot. Why does it become a good reason for divorce when a woman voices it?
Men get the message that they're supposed to work through that shit.
Women, on the other hand, receive the message that if they aren't happy that things simply won't work out, they should begin looking for other men and threaten divorce unless their husband gives into their demands. And this is from CHRISTIANS who are trying to PROMOTE marriage. That's how far we're gone. Secular culture is even worse. There is pretty much no difference between "Husband and wife" and "Boyfriend and girlfriend" for most of our culture, other than the fact that the former has kids, and when they break up, the husband is expected to go into catastrophic debt to the wife.
Short of abuse or active cheating there is almost nothing that warrants a divorce, especially when there are kids in the equation. It would be one thing if these people were going their separate ways after raising their children - I'd think that was sad, but not necessarily so blatantly destructive. But that's not what's happening. The majority of divorces happen during peoples younger years, when they have children together. People are detonating their families and destroying their children, and you, a "christian" traditionalist, expect me to accept such frivolous reasons as "Oh, well, I didn't feel like my husband was attracted to me anymore - so I did the single most damaging thing I could possibly do to my children". You expect me to think that all we need to do is push men to marry those "good girl" christians, when christians HAVE A 40% DIVORCE RATE THEMSELVES, (except some sects, which have a 60% divorce rate), and Christians are ACTIVELY GLORIFYING A MOVIE where a woman denies her husband sex, starts an emotional affair, and blackmails him with the threat of divorce. You're fucking deluding yourself. You're trying to sell men on the guarantee that oh, these white christian girls are the GOOD ones who won't frivolously abandon you, while they actively gobble up stories about women using the threat of family destruction to get money from their husbands, and divorce at only a sliiiiiiiiiiiiightly lower rate than secular women.
Like so many "traditionalists", you're not an actual traditionalist. You think "traditionalism" means "I have a couple of non-PC political opinions, and when it comes to gender roles my answer is to invariably blame things on the men." That's why a 50% divorce rate, where 90% of divorces are initiated by women, becomes, in your mind, an issue of "Oh well…those women probably had a good reason to divorce. Like, they probably thought their husbands didn't find them attractive anymore. When women divorce, it's probably because the men did something wrong." EVERYONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG SOMETIMES. Women do PLENTY of retarded, petty, stupid shit in relationships. YOU DON'T JUST ABANDON A MARRIAGE BECAUSE OF IT.
Like so many people who call themselves "traditionalists", you're just a modernist carrying a cross.