2baa85 No.12288[Last 50 Posts]
This topic cannot be debated on /pol without the thread devolving into "MGTOWs are male feminists" or "le happy merchant.gif" What is /polpol's opinion on MGTOW? If you are not in favor of MGTOW how do you "fix" the men who suffer from it? Or how do you cure Elliot Rodgers' Syndrome?
0384a1 No.12298
>>12288Just think about it OP, the rise of feminism happened after the number of men in society decreased, and MGTOW will decrease the number of men in society. MGTOW is counter-productive.
3915ed No.12301
>>12288No, and there's absolutely nothing to debate about it. MGTOW is anti-white, against the family, divide and conquer.
d77a2b No.12306
I don't know much about it.
Can you give a tl;dr of the ideology for me to try to form an opinion about it?
6352a7 No.12308
>>12298>>12301This
But important note, don't bother arguing about how the institution of marriage is going down the drain with them. We know, everybody knows. What are they doing about it? Just wasting time & energy.
42b491 No.12309
>>12301What's you're reasoning?
>>12298How would MGTOW decrease the number of men in society?
>>12308How are MGTOWs wasting time and energy by just not getting into serious relationships with women? Not doing something doesn't take time and energy.
Unless you mean how they discuss it, at which point I don't really see the big deal. Everyone talks about shit.
6352a7 No.12311
>>12309Biological speaking, not raising a family is a waste of time.
92c6d0 No.12312
>>12311To play devil's advocate, isn't the idea to spend that time on self-improvement? I think they see modern marriage but also the modern family as a rigged institution.
3915ed No.12314
>>12309>What's you're reasoning?>you'reIf you read my first post again, you can easily figure out by yourself how my points relate to MGTOW. Its not
my reasoning, its
reason.
Its astonishing and frightening to see people naively asking "what's wrong with a movement such as MGTOW?". Don't you see it yourself? Are you just baiting? I don't know, but you ought to look at the bigger picture, how this movement plays a small (for now) but destructive part in society.
inb4 this thread, too, balloons to 300+ replies with nothing achieved since there's nothing to be gained on discussing this destructive cult that is MGTOW
010e96 No.12315
MGTOW, to me, is an over-reaction of ideology. It's throwing a temper tantrum when the rules of the game are weighing against you, rather than employing cunning and intelligence to exploit contradictions and loopholes.
42b491 No.12321
>>12311Perhaps biologically, they wouldn't be passing on their specific genes thus not continuing their line. I don't agree with the general they are wasting time though.
Plus that line of thinking boils humanity down to nothing but animals who have no value other than fucking.
>>12314Yes, a typo.
You're points about MGTOW are definitely not your reasoning, glad we can agree on that. Of course, they aren't "reason" either. Merely making a claim has nothing to do with reason, to reason you must present arguments and/or evidence.
Sprouting claims with nothing to back them up and attacking people who ask for you're reasoning is not going to get anyone to agree with you who didn't beforehand.
6352a7 No.12323
>>12312Self-improvement is a constant mental & physical struggle, man is so meek, the forces at play which tempt us to be satisfied with comfort are immense, it's not something you can just allocate 2 hours a week.
Most things at the moment are rigged institutions, everything from the modern 'history' books to the modern 'family' like you say. So what do you do if you don't like the lies told in a book you've read? You can just write your own, or seek others. And what if you don't like the modern family, can't you just make your own healthy family, or marry into a healthy family? Ect.
No need to be diametrically opposed to women, just like there is no need to be opposed to the concept of history books just because some of them lie.
587f32 No.12324
>>12314MGTOW is accelerationism, and the empire's decaying anyway.
bee45e No.12332
2 bullets each aught to do it
3915ed No.12334
>>12324>decaying anywayIts being destroyed. The decay isn't organic. Maybe there is something metaphysical to it but the downfall isn't on its way because of the majority of people.
We can fight it, and we need to fight it.
>>12333>rulecucks 22676d No.12356
I think that the basis of a strong civilization is a family where the two parents stay dedicated to each other for a lifetime and raise children together.
That being said, there's no "fixing" MGTOWs. There is only "fixing" the society that created them. And the society that created them is STILL creating them by glorifying serial monogamy and divorce, putting all the weight on the men to hold a marriage together while every possible incentive is offered to the women to divorce their husbands, and generally creating impossible demands on the husband. The MGTOW evangelist is created when he tries to live up to these impossible demands - or naively believes they don't exist - and is crush by the system for his efforts to create a family. He then warns non-married men of the injustice in store for them, and non-married men become MGTOWs.
And the problem runs much deeper than we think. There are, effectively, NO institutions in the west arguing for stable families and lifetime monogamy. No, not even christians - they pay lip service to the prospect, then have a 40 percent divorce rate, and the movies they put out to demonstrate what a "christian marriage" is, like Fireproof, involve supposedly "christian" women basically threatening their husbands with divorce until they cater to the woman's every whim. THAT is the idea christian marriage these days: Rope a man into marriage and then bludgeon him with the threat of divorce until he does everything you want. Christianity is rotting from within with modernism.
MGTOW is a nihilistic but perfect sane reaction to all this. And "traditionalists", if all you do is try to shame men into the new marriage compact (as defined by feminism), then you're not actual traditionalists. You're just feminist enforcers.
Are a lot of these men broken beyond repair? Frankly, yes. Some of them are going to live out lives of bitterness and anger. But a lot of "MGTOWs" would be interested in marriage if society changed the toxic legal and social atmosphere, created by feminists, that currently surrounds heterosexual dating and marriage.
But of course they won't. Conservatives are too busy arguing about homosexuality to appeal to "family values" because they're too cowardly to touch the divorce issue. Fighting against gay marriage while the ongoing divorce catastrophe continues is like a cop ticketing someone for drinking in public while, half a street down, looters are burning buildings. It is conspicuous how little they talk about it.
0ba7c2 No.12357
>>12356I wholeheartedly agree. MGTOWs are the byproduct of the system just like, lets say alcoholics. Bashing alcoholics won't help unless you fix what made them turn to alcohol abuse in the first place.
4a57a7 No.12362
>If you are not in favor of MGTOW how do you "fix" the men who suffer from it?
>Or how do you cure Elliot Rodgers' Syndrome?
Why would I want to do any of these things? MGTOW is funny and Elliot Rodgers' Syndrome hilarious. Neither affect me in the slightest.
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8fb367 No.12379
Does MGTOW really fix anything? No. No it does not. I do not approve of an ideology that quite literally accomplishes nothing.
eb8b62 No.12380
>>12333
They are a bunch of fags. Like anon above proves.
==FIRST== Not all countries are the fucking AngloSphere, in most places there isn't even the concept of alimony. And way less problems of divorce rape unless you are loaded rich. And child support, well, no problems with that, it's fair. And in my country, if you miss a payment of child support you won't go to debter's prison like in America.
==SECOND== If you can't face the nature of women, and of family raising, it means YOU are not being man enough. Times are hard, I agree, but being a man was never fucking easy.
If you can't handle women, nor family leading... Maybe you are not worthy of it in the first place. But I think you MGTOW's can, if you really try.
Don't be lazy, we need fresh generations of good white men.
AWALT, it is up to YOU to be an exceptional man. And find, hunt and tame the woman of your desires.
22676d No.12381
>>12380Go ahead, "traditionalists". Keep telling yourself that while marriage rates crater and childbirth plummets. Keep crying about how it's all men's fault that these things are happening. See where it gets you.
eb8b62 No.12384
>>12381Bitch, your wife only owns your ass if you are a spineless fag.
And if you are in a country with draconian marriage laws, don't get married, but raise children with a girlfriend or something. Or fucking move from your shit country.
If you don't reproduce, you just lost the cosmic gameYou are here due to reproduction and reproduction is your fucking duty, man.
Go on, be a fag and cry how women walk all over you so you can't date, due to the risk of her making you her bitch. Go on.
In the meanwhile the scum of the earth will keep multiplying and fucking shit up. Because good men like you pussied out.
587f32 No.12386
>>12379>No. No it does not.This is where I'd have to disagree. One of the core tenets of MGTOW is disengagement from society, and with that, disengagement from
taxes and the economy. The feminist lifestyle is essentially funded by the government, and the rates of income tax among other taxes are based on the presupposition that men will earn to the fullest of their capacity, working hard to provide the best for themselves and a family instead of just putting forth the minimum effort to provide for themselves.
When they do not, the government will be unable to afford the costs of taking care of its women and everything will go to shit.
2b250b No.12392
>>12288Who the fuck is this slag and why do her eyebrows mismatch her hair so much? It drives me crazy, in a bad way, every time I see that face posted.
22676d No.12396
>>12384If anything, reproducing without marriage makes you EVEN MORE LIKELY to get fucked over, although you're still pretty likely to get fucked over if you are married. Laws are that bad.
What you're doing - blaming everything on the men for not being "manly enough" or not "manning up" - you are literally just being a feminist enforcer hiding behind a tough guy attitude on the internet. Feminists could pass a law saying that women could execute their husbands on a whim at the approval of a feminist council, and you'd still be blaming men for not wanting to get married.
I get it that when you're young, you can woo a woman so deeply that she would never dream of using the (metaphorical) gun you are placing in your hands by marrying her. But marriage isn't JUST a temporary state of being together. Marriage is permanent. You are NOT going to have 50 long years of her being permanently enraptured by you.
And the legal system will be offering her financial incentive to destroy you. And all her friends, swept up in a culture that glamorizes divorce, will be offering her social encouragement. Even CHRISTIANS glamorize divorce. That's how things are now. And imagine how bad things will be 20 years from now.
Simply reproducing is not winning, that's how an irresponsible nigger thinks. You have to raise children AND ensure their healthy upbringing, and NOTHING destroys a child like going through a divorce or being raised by a single mother.
I'm not a MGTOW myself, I'd love to be married and have a family. But I have yet to meet a woman that I thought had the moral fiber and character to resist what is going to be an awful lot of social, cultural and legal pressure to divorce.
1dc4be No.12399
MGTOW is basically the same hand of Feminism except laundered to appeal to males. It has all the same concepts; ignore the opposite sex, enjoy 'freedom' and whatever freedoms it claims to enjoy when you achieve this. This is appealing as hell to betas and people who feel spurned or ignored by the opposite sex ('beta' males, fat women, etc.) because it legitimizes their experience and makes them feel normal and consequently with a movement, no longer alone.
Same shit, different name, slightly different principles to appeal to the opposite sex.
802ecc No.12418
>>12356
>MGTOW is a nihilistic but perfect sane reaction to all this. And "traditionalists", if all you do is try to shame men into the new marriage compact (as defined by feminism), then you're not actual traditionalists. You're just feminist enforcers.
>Are a lot of these men broken beyond repair? Frankly, yes. Some of them are going to live out lives of bitterness and anger.Thank you for a balanced perspective.
I have given up on trying to get a mate.
I realize that the traditionalists need to scream at me and tell me that I am deserting my duty to breed.
I don't care.
I am very tired.
I have few resources.
I do not have a realistic chance of success, and I am not going to try to breed with a psychotic, castrating slag.
As for the rest of you, you are free to try to breed if you want, I won't try to stop you.
Also, I don't like to spend a lot of time talking about how I'm MGTOW. If you ask me about it, I guess I'll admit that I'm going my own way. However, it's not an identity, I'm not going to start a blog that preaches MGTOW as an ideal.
0d3ed1 No.12421
>>12418This. The situation is hopeless in most western countries. We'd rather spend our time doing things we like, redpilling people about the kikes, and self-improvement.
802ecc No.12422
>>12421Bear in mind that emigration is an option. It doesn't fix civilization, but at least it gets you away from the worst degeneracy of the collapsing empire.
d4e1f2 No.12431
>>12333
I'm an MGTOW Natsoc "rulecuck" so fuck you!
7435df No.12459
>>12431
>MGTOW NatsocNo, no you're not.
eb8b62 No.12470
>>12396Are you retarded?
Have you not read what I said?
Those feminist laws are only for countries like yours. In mine there is no alimony, if you marry with separation of assets a judge is powerless to change that. Same thing with prenups, judges here don't throw them away, because they can't.
Not every country has those draconian marriage laws.
2baa85 No.12472
>>12470Which countries are you talking about?
000000 No.12475
The only solution to feminism is death.
Marry young girls.
MGTOW rejects both these ideas.
22676d No.12477
>>12470So, then, why are you coming into this thread, that is very clearly not talking about your country, and acting like all the people discussing these things have the exact same laws that your country does?
Do you actually have anything to contribute, or were you just looking for an opportunity to pretend to be a tough guy manly man on the internet?
eb8b62 No.12478
>>12472Anglosphere.
Even fucking Sweden doesn't allow alimony. FUCKING SWEDEN.
English speaking countries have a plague even most of the west doesn't have. And that's saying something.
>>12477This thread is talking about life opinions, it ain't talkin 'bout no country in specific, fag. Just telling you my opinion.
22676d No.12480
>>12470The entire discussion that you decided to barge into was pretty clearly discussing countries that have to deal with these kinds of laws.
Would you go into a discussion where starving people were talking about their problems, say "It's your own fault for not eating", and then claim "Oh well we're not starving in my country, and we weren't talking specifically about yours!"
I doubt you're that autistic, so I only have to assume you were hoping to derail discussion so you could half-heartedly attempt to compare yourself favorably to others in the thread.
a490b6 No.12483
MGTOW, detatchment, or celibacy is almost invariable at the end of a society's life cycle, from what I have seen. It is pointless and only removes you from history, but in a society that will do that to you anyways by taking away your children in divorce court, or turning them against you in the schools and universities, it might not matter anyways. The ability to build a lasting land-tied lineage is disappearing. If you are going to forsake marriage and family life, at least pair it with a broader program of askesis.
6f5f28 No.12489
From a political standpoint there aren't many if any politicians that are fighting at all towards getting rid of so many of the stupid laws that are making it so unappealing to even have a long term relationship.
>prenup signed? oh that can get thrown out.
>no fault divorces.
>favoritism in court towards women in regards to children and property overall.
>common law marrige (pic related)
aae2fa No.12492
I still cannot seem to understand how not reproducing (i.e. allowing white people to die off within a few generations) would be compatible with anything anybody on here believes in in any possible way.
030d55 No.12495
Theres nothing wrong with the concept in and of itself. My problems with MGTOW as it were, are this:
1. The goofy, nerd culture-esque over analyzing and labeling and attempting to turn what is at its core, a simple choice, into a number of hi-fi concepts. Its like everything else in the manosphere, why does it need these goofy labels? You're choosing to remove women from your life, its not a religious experience and its not a science.
2. Despite what its proponents adamantly claim, and while its true MGTOW was originally largely pushed by divorced or men of other considerable experience, its undeniable at this point that it has served as a lightning rod to the virgins and the social recluses - to this point: telling people you are opting out of a race you were never in to begin with is not opting out. I would bet hard money that if 99% of these guys could secure the attention of a hot bitch they would drop all of their convictions to dip their wick. Its just sour gapes with some fancy rationalizations for most of these men.
I can only agree with MGTOW in as far as not burdening yourself with women emotionally or financially. But to give up sex entirely? This smacks too much of a similar mentality preached by the kind of feminists who are too ugly and too hostile to attract men but would like to convince you its a choice. Whats more it is inherently unhealthy.
I think its good young men are waking up to the duplicitous nature of women, but MGTOW as it is, is silly.
9c2317 No.12497
>>12301>MGTOW is anti-white, against the family, divide and conquer.the good points of it are already encapsulated in being your own man
in other words do what you want to do and get your life in order
MGTOW goes further and says avoid women, its retarded
e957fa No.12523
>>12314>this destructive cultIt's not a cult but it is destructive. That's the point. Whine all you like, that is the whole purpose of MGTOW: to bring about change in relationship dynamics by forcing a crisis. As it stands, women have no reason to roll back any of the changes made in the sexual revolution.
By going on strike, MGTOW is telling women in clear terms that they can either have stable marriages or no-fault divorce. Not both. Until they give up things like no-fault divorce, they can enjoy their inevitable spinsterhood.
030d55 No.12529
>>12523Framed like this I can be a little more engaged with MGTOW, but its still goofy, and achieving the end goal doesnt require becoming celibate.
You can enjoy the company of a sociopath knowing full well he is a sociopath, likewise you can enjoy the positive aspects of women without ever letting them be anything more than a disposable pleasure.
I still stand by my comments regarding the landscape of "MGTOWers" above.
6352a7 No.12539
>>12523A futile goal, because Women can't ever admit they're wrong on a matter, especially if they're emotionally invested.
But by all means try for yourself I don't think anyone here has an issue with those who try.
ff9140 No.12553
>>12480You are trying to say we should all go MGTOW, or you all should. No. Just fucking move countries, nigga.
And you don't get to shift the discussion.
This is MGTOW general, not your sandbox.
42b491 No.12557
>>12489>present themselves has a couple in publicDear god. Canadians should only date for under a year.
>>12495>why does it need these goofy labels?That's how you communicate with one another.
You cannot discuss concepts or items without first giving them a name.
Also, not all MGTOW give up women completely. Kinda required to give up relationships, but some do one-night stands.
I just found this:
http://www.canadiancock.org/2015/03/01/mgtow-with-benefits/Only really skimmed it, and mostly just the question.
I could see a lot of them saying to avoid one-night stands due to the risk of her getting pregnant though.
>>12553Moving to another country is not as easy as you make it sound. Unless you can culturally enrich some white country, that is.
030d55 No.12564
>>12557You miss the point. The concepts are fluff. Its over-analytic masturbation. Hiding a simple decision/response in a sea of jargon reeks of insecurity, an attempt to make it seem of more value than it really is.
We've had a word for a man going his own way for decades: bachelor.
057683 No.12567
Going your own way is not some revolutionary concept, but blue pilled American idiots these days only respond to prepackaged "movements" because they were raised in a culture of advertisement and can't take interest in something that doesn't have a neat label and fun videos.
Because of this pathetic cultural fact, I see MGTOW is a crucial part of shifting public opinion, as long as it remains a temporary state of being. This is my chief complaint with the "movement", that it doesn't present itself as a way to create the ideal man who can shape his mate into an ideal woman. At the moment it presents stagnation as the final option, and that is unnacceptable.
With that said, I believe they are trying to do good. Many people who are seriously plugged in need time to themselves without any disruptive stimuli in order to "recover". They are shaken to he core because they never suspected anything was wrong with our society, and now the veil has been ripped away. Often this is because of some act of depravity committed by a woman. With MGTOW, a man is led to a sort of monk-state, where he can analyze and accept the realities of our current society. Doing this prevents people from rationalizing away the truth in favor of the easier, plugged-in life.
At its core, I believe this movement is about men who know and understand the evils of sexually 'liberated' women but believe they are currently too weak to face the challange of seeking a mate in modern western culture.
As long as they are striving to become more skilled, intelligent, or pious I am willing to accept them as allies. The main body of followers are weak anyway, so pushing them further down the line toward traditionalism and right-wing thought is as easy as spoonfeeding them evidence.
12dcb4 No.12585
It's an evolutionary dead-end as far as Mens Rights Activism is concerned. Just a bunch of quitters who want to sit things out and let other people do the hard work of fixing society.
Fuck 'em. Bunch of whiners.
651a59 No.12599
But just for clarification, our we talking about guys who actively push MGTOW or just dudes who have had enough and are separating themselves from the system?
In Canada it used too be that you stay out of marriage and just date for an "inexplicably" long time then the government made laws forcing you into the rotten marriage system so a lot of the guys who are pulling out are doing so because those loopholes are closed.
42b491 No.12606
>>12564A bachelor is something different. Similar, but they are open to the idea of dating and marriage, just need to find the right person.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bachelorThere is a show called "The Bachelor" that is all about hooking up single men with women (as shitty as reality TV is).
Two rather different words.
4a57a7 No.12614
>>12564A bachelor means a single man. That's it.
In common usage, the word is short for eligible bachelor, a single man on the market / a single man looking for marriage, hence >12606
0d3ed1 No.12618
>>12495You do know they can still fuck you over even if you just bang them once, right? You do know that sleeping around is the best way to get yourself an STD, right?
24ebb2 No.12621
>>12489QUEBEC STRONG
QUEBEC STRONG
HOW TO BEAT FEMINISM? STOP SPEAKING THEIR LANGUAGE
d21071 No.12690
>>12301This is like saying strike is anti-industry and against work.
MGTOW is a strike on marrige. (Btw, enjoy being exploited by the state in general and by some entitled hag in particular!)
9c2317 No.12706
>>12309>How are MGTOWs wasting time and energy by just not getting into serious relationships with women? Not doing something doesn't take time and energy.Most mgtow that arent ugly neckbeards are wasting time dating vapid whores for sex.
They spend money on flashy clothes and metrosexual perfumes.
That isn't really going your own way.
d3e6cf No.12745
>>12308> Just wasting time & energy.
>mgtow
>implyinglmao
b95bac No.12817
It's interesting to see /pol/'s backlash against MGTOW. What does /pol/ suggest then for men in this current day regarding marriage?
6f5f28 No.12830
>>12817Let's see what the options are.
>Marry Younger.So you marry an 18/19/20something in the age of thirty. You redpill her and live happily ever after.
>Move to another (preferably English speaking) country.You don't have to deal with American marriage laws, alimony, etc. Find yourself a nice woman in said country and stay there while raising a family based on traditional values.
>Work around the current laws.Simple, basically have a superstar lawyer and an airtight prenup. Have it written to the point where it can't be just thrown out.
4a57a7 No.12837
>>12830>Marry Younger.>So you marry an 18/19/20something in the age of thirty. You redpill her and live happily ever after.Or, OR, just marry smart.
Find someone faithful, stupid or totally enamoured. You're best with some combination of the three.
320d7a No.12858
>MGTOW
>GLOBAL DEPOPULATION
they are related
1b59f5 No.12868
MGTOW are part and parcel to the politically alienated. A sad few are in control of the government and are setting policy, and MGTOWs think they can escape this by withdrawing completely.
It doesn't matter if you ignore the government, the government will never ignore you. There is no real option to withdraw without giving up everything. The proper response is not to withdraw, it is to strike at the source.
Hold the legislators who craft this insane shit accountable. That's the problem with democracy, they always blame everyone else. Find the people who crafted these bills and neutralize them.
22676d No.12894
>>12553
> You are trying to say we should all go MGTOW, or you all should.Nope.
> Just fucking move countries, nigga.Not as easy as you're trying to make it seem, and besides, we're talking upwards of 200 million men.
> And you don't get to shift the discussion.How is giving my opinion on MGTOW, in a MGTOW thread, shifting the disussion?
22676d No.12895
>>12706Those are PUAs. At least know what you're talking about.
>>12830
> Marry youngerAnd you'll be married for, oh, say, ten, maybe twenty years, while she's constantly bombarded by messages from a culture that glamorizes divorce and cheating.Women aren't 18 forever.
> MoveNot as easy as people imply it is.
> Lawyer upI find it hilarious how /pol/ will bitch all the time about the birthrate, and then in threads like these say that men simply need to completely control their wives mental state in the face of overwhelming cultural pressure for the rest of eternity, move to another country, or pay for a "superstar lawyer" to give them a fighting chance against laws designed to fuck them over. You don't think these things might have something to do with the birth rate?
2daef9 No.12975
>>12356/mgtow/ here. (Although I personally was uninterested in relationships and family etc. from childhood and am MGTOW by coincidence)
As far as your description of MGTOW all I have to say is dead fucking on. I don't agree with you ideas about what makes a good society, but that's not really the point.
I think the reason most MGTOW are damaged is because most men have to get to that point before they realize it's against their interests to participate. The desire to have a family is too strong to allow them to see the trap until they step in it. This is by design. Feminism is aware of this weakness and deliberately exploiting it to use men for alimony, child support, and the secret sauce needed to make more soldiers they can train nary a man to get in the way.
7baaff No.12979
>>12306Men with trust issues become acquaintances with other men with trust issues and call it a movement.
Although from time-to-time such mistrust is well placed as
>>12489 mentions
1e1502 No.13041
>>12306At the root it is recognizing your biology influencing your behavior with women and learning to consciously combat it for your own interests(your interests as in "not getting into a legal contract with a woman who can defect from the contract and take nigh everything" and not archaic interests like "i want a good virgin house frau and raise rugrats and she'll never divorce me b/c reasons") as a man in this current iteration of society.
threads like this usually bring out the stupid shit like
>>12301>"its anti white" doesnt address race. This is akin to saying capitalism is antiwhite b/c nonwhites work for less and are more employable/ socialism is antiwhite b/c nonwhites get greater benefits from welfare
>against the familya misunderstanding. this is a chicken or egg issue: why would one create something only to have it destroyed (eg the family, by divorce, initiated by your loving wife). MGTOW is against getting married b/c it is a bad deal for the man and his offspring, usually.
>"divide and conquer"???
thats my description of it but hear/read it for yourself on youtube and blogs
754f01 No.13042
>>13041No, it most certainly is anti-white this is only promoted among predominantly white internet communities or chans.
We don't live in a fair world where everybody is going to play by your rules. Go MGTOW, and there are 10 beta chinks or niggers waiting to spill all their money just to fuck your women. You're doing what you believe to be the "noble" thing and fighting for white men with two hands tied behind your back, as your women will happily run to the first shitskin who provides them with transportation and shelter.
0fb6db No.13048
>>12478>Anglosphere. Woah there! The anglosphere doesn't have draconian marriage laws?
Is this wonderland?
569a8b No.13051
>>12288Notice how 99,9% of all mgtow:ers are white? Yes, you're being a very good goy.
That aside, they're also massive attention whores. How worthless is your life if you take the fact that you op out of relationships, and make it a part of your identity? "Look at me! I disregard women! I'm a special snowflake!". I don't plan to get married myself, but I don't make that a part of my identity, and I don't go around and tell other people that they're stupid/cucked/enslaved just because they desire marriage and kids.
754f01 No.13054
>>13051It's strange. If you actually wanted to be a man that "goes your own way" then you would actually go your own way and not give a shit about what anybody thinks. The fact that they are so intent on getting you to go their way, and the fact that this keeps happening on predominantly white, right wing corners of the internet, simply leads one to believe it is much less about going "one's own way" and much more about a deliberate attempt to continue to drive a wedge between white men and white women.
1e1502 No.13086
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>>13042>No, it most certainly is anti-white this is only promoted among predominantly white internet communities or chans.The things which decline the white births are not related to men not getting married. 2 World wars prolly did it in europe, and economic prosperity also has the effect of declining births.
Immigration from 3rd world shitholes also dilutes the proportion of the pop which is white. This territory has been covered already, and MGTOW doesnt address it b/c it focuses on men and their interaction with women and their biology.
>Go MGTOW, and there are 10 beta chinks or niggers waiting to spill all their money just to fuck your women.top kek
White men have their pick of women. WW prefer WM out of the other races/ethnicities. Intermarriage is also not important in terms of white population decline (though it will be in say 2050 when spics are 30-40% of the US and kebab are 10-20% in europe)
to reinforce this:
"Asian Women Need to Stop Dating White Men"
http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/2014/03/asian-women-need-to-stop-dating-white-men/Response from butthurt asian lady
http://groupthink.jezebel.com/asian-women-need-to-stop-dating-white-men-1554120843>we…play by your rules…youre doing what you bel to be noble thingdidnt argue that, strawman, projection, or comprehension failure.
If you want to make it a race thing, it is helping white men by telling them to not enter deleterious contracts with women (marriage) who initiate the divorce and rape the man thru the courts.
9db152 No.13089
1e1502 No.13091
>>13089i cited 2 grrl powr sjw sites to illustrate that its men leaving women and not the other way around (eg going off to get spics and niggers).
dont believe me google asian women white man
9db152 No.13092
>>13091I think we are miscommunicating, as I was mocking the groupthinking leftists.
8ab3cc No.13094
>>13086>The things which decline the white births are not related to men not getting married. 2 World wars prolly did it in europe, and economic prosperity also has the effect of declining births.You're just ignoring the point presented here. Nobody is blaming MGTOW for the decline in white men getting married and white births, that would be foolish just on numbers alone, as MGTOW is not nearly mainstream enough to be anything.
The point is, if it were mainstream, it would only further lower white births by its very nature, this is not deniable in any way. It is literally an ideology which promotes not procreating for its adherents (who are mostly white.) There's no way to argue this or debate this, it just is what it is.
>White men have their pick of women. WW prefer WM out of the other races/ethnicitiesAgain, this is irrelevant to the point. White men do indeed have their pick of women, and if white men stop procreating with white women, white women will not magically be lonely for the rest of their life, they will run to the first shitskin that buys them a nice skirt and procreate with him.
>If you want to make it a race thing, it is helping white men by telling them to not enter deleterious contracts with women (marriage) who initiate the divorce and rape the man thru the courts.You are, arguably, helping a generation of white men in your eyes (very debatable, I would disagree but that's not the point here) at the expense of the entire existence of the race. There is no debate on this one, I don't know where you get "strawman" from or "comprehension failure." There's nothing to comprehend: white men not procreating with white women = no more white babies. End of story.
61be94 No.13119
>>12298That's counter intuitive considering the laws of supply and demand.
And why would MGTOW decrease the number of men?
1e1502 No.13124
>>13094After 10 years of marriage a man gets divorced, lose 50% of his assets, loses custody of his children, and has to pay child support and alimony.
Soon he gets behind on these payments and is imprisoned for not meeting the payments.
As he gets fucked in the ass by Tyrone and in the mouth by Jesus in the prison shower, he is comforted by his thoughts:
At least I did my part to save the white race and had kids 3f048e No.13144
>>12288here's a free IP polpol
381421 No.13154
>>13124Except this is not what happens in every case, there are plenty of happy successful white marriages out there, there are many good white women out there, and your kike tier fear mongering about procreating with white women does nothing more than end the white race.
22676d No.13175
>>13154
> Don't worry. Only 50% of the marriages end in divorce, and only 80% of those give the woman full custody, and only 50% of those give the woman excessive alimony and child support! And out of those, only 50% of men fall behind on payments, and only 50% of those men are imprisoned for it, and only 25% of them are raped in prison. > So you won't end up divorced, torn from your children, crushed by child support, imprisoned and raped. You may only end up divorced!> Now man up and marry those sluts! 63e955 No.13180
>>13175You just blew him the fuck out!
9a7b93 No.13186
>>13175You're not making any sense. Based on these numbers 50% of white people are going to wind up in good happy marriages with healthy white children. But you want half of all white people to sacrifice one of the most rewarding joys in life in falling in love and raising a family because the other half will fail at it?
>now man up and marry those slutsNo, man up and stop throwing money at the hot tatted up girl because she's hot and find one of the wholesome girls that goes to your local church. It's not fucking rocket science.
And, again, racially speaking the result of what you propose is elimination of the white race. This is not compatible with anybody's beliefs who have a vested interest in the protection and strength of this race. This is compatible only with anti-white Jewish and left wing ideology.
22676d No.13187
>>13186You keep assuming that my argument is "Men should stop marrying." It's not. My argument is "Marriage should be made better for men, because right now it's so bad that many of them have no reason to marry."
Besides, you're acting like the leftover 50% marriages are just idyllic wonderlands. This just isn't true. How many of those marriages are a living hell for the men, because the women can point to the 50% divorced/brutalized population of men and say "You don't want to end up like THEM, do you?"
I would say it's quite a lot of them, considering that the most pro-marriage population in America - Christians - take Fireproof as a movie that is supposed to exemplify Christian Marriage. In Fireproof, a woman stops having sex with her husband, threatens him with divorce, and begins an emotional affair with a doctor, until her husband caves in and gives her 24,000 dollars. That is the IDEAL MOVIE promoting marriage according to CHRISTIANS, the most marriage-positive group in the west. Why should anyone marry your "wholesome girl" when this is what they believe?
Yes, if things don't get better, it will mean the white race birthrate keeps falling and the white population keeps shrinking. But it's not the fault of the men.
If someone is, say, driving a car, but the person in the passenger seat keeps punching them, pinching them, screaming at them, grabbing the wheel and waving their hands in his face, is it the driver's fault if they get in a crash? Is the driver being a bad driver if he pulls over, and refuses to drive until his passenger behaves better? Should he just "man up" and be a better driver, because hey look - OTHER drivers have managed to deal with a distracting passenger while just barely swerving all over the road!
You can't keep putting pressure on all the men. You can't make marriage solely beneficial to women, and then whine that men won't marry them.
651a59 No.13188
>>13186What your asking us too do is take a 50/50 gamble, one where the stakes is quite literally your entire life and future, and just jump right in. With the stakes that high and with those odds abstinence, even if only temporary, is an understandable reaction.
It's just basic risk vs reward.
1e1502 No.13214
>>13186>find one of the wholesome girls that goes to you local chuch.Anon im sorry to disappoint…
http://www.antifeministtech.info/2010/08/the-experiment-church/>inB4 anecdotal evidenceThere's also some christian lady blogging about women she went to church with divorcing their husbands and taking them to the cleaners despite what Jesus said about divorce (its a no-no).
When my mother 'rediscovered' her faith with her 3rd husband i told her that Jesus preached against divorce and she specifically said she didnt. Im not blogging this is just to point out women will throw their tribe, their race, their men, their children, their families, even their gods under the bus to further their own position without caring for the effect on others.
In order to combat this you need to bring back patriarchy (much like lolbertarians/conservatives need to disenfranchise women to ultimately get the small govt they want). Few men these days have the sense to even think this is necessary, fewer still having the courage to point this out to their brothers.
579ff9 No.13219
>>12306MGTOW is a acronym for Men Going Their Own Way.
Basically it's about men that refuse to have relationships with women after being burned once or twice.
There are various levels to MGTOWs but the most prevalent one is level 2 MGTOWs that will still date women but will be very careful not to get them preggers and end the relationship when it becomes toxic.
In the end, it's all about men doing what they want with what they earn and not having to share with women.
aae2fa No.13238
>>13187>"Marriage should be made better for men, because right now it's so bad that many of them have no reason to marry." I wouldn't disagree with this at all, but you can't disagree that the standard MGTOW argument doesn't take this line of reasoning, there is a lot of "women will fuck you over no matter what, let those bitches be miserable, marriage is for retards" which is simply very dangerous. There are plenty of good marriages out there.
>Besides, you're acting like the leftover 50% marriages are just idyllic wonderlands. This just isn't true. How many of those marriages are a living hell for the men, because the women can point to the 50% divorced/brutalized population of men and say "You don't want to end up like THEM, do you?"No, I'm not, and, other the hand, I can't believe I'm sticking up for women, but let's be honest, how many of those 50% of divorces happened because the man fucked around on her? Or he stopped being sexually attracted to her? I fucked up an amazing relationship with an amazing girl because I was a fucking retard, she did nothing wrong. This is a very dangerous line of thought to pretend men are these innocent angels looking to start a family who wander into the clutches of the bloodsucking beast that is woman. There is a lot of shit on both sides, and, just like there are good men who have got fucked over in marriage, there are good women out there who have their hearts torn out by asshole men.
>>13188>What your asking us too do is take a 50/50 gamble, one where the stakes is quite literally your entire life and future, and just jump right in. With the stakes that high and with those odds abstinence, even if only temporary, is an understandable reaction.No, I'm asking you to find a quality girl. If one doesn't live in your hometown, go search the countryside. If you gotta go to to Belarus to find one, then go to Belarus, but, as a man, don't cheat yourself out of one of the greatest joys in life. And, IF YOU DO want nothing to do with that, then fine, but stop with this endless campaign to get rest of us who have had good relationships to give up on women.
My sister is an example of a wholesome girl. She's not perfect by any means, but, you know what, she's pretty damn innocent and it would be a crime for a good white girl like that to just be wasted on a savage mudskin. It would break my fucking heart.
>>13214I'll see your anecdotal evidence and raise you that in my hometown (in the south) there are plenty of good wholesome girls in church. No they aren't beauty queens, hell most of them can't even find a man because half of the guys are degenerates too busy drinking, doing meth, and then going into the city to find the first "hot" slut that wants to smoke a joint with them. Girls exist, but a lot of guys aren't willing to "lower their standards" to a girl who may not have a body like the local stripper. Not to go for the degeneracy meme, but that is degeneracy. Just two weeks ago at the airport I met a sweet wholesome German girl traveling around the world. Yeah, she was a little chubby, but she is a conservative sweet girl just happy to have a nice conversation. Open your horizons, there are girls out there willing to start a family. Sure, 60% of girls vote democrat, let the leftist parasites have them, there's an entire 40% out there either non political or redpilled to some degree for the taking.
22676d No.13240
>>13238First off, I am not a MGTOW. Second off, I am not going to deny that there's a huge portion of MGTOW who are pretty much embittered and broken for life (I said as much before) but many of them don't say that they'll fuck you over no matter what - they merely say that the risk is too great, and the law too geared toward fucking men over, for marriage to be worth the risk.
I've said it before, I believe that the foundation of civilization is strong, two-parent families between people who marry for life and raise children together. That's why it's so troubling to me that MGTOWs have an awful lot of valid concerns.
I'm not pretending men are innocent angels. I am sure there are divorces that happen where the woman is completely justified in asking for a divorce. But you cannot deny that women are exposed, in our culture, to the message that divorce is empowering, and you should divorce someone if you're simply not happy. Men receive the message that if they're not happy, they should work at the relationship (and it is usually implied that they are being ungrateful, or immature, if they're not happy in a relationship.) Which, by the way, is AS IT SHOULD BE - happiness and dissatisfaction are ephemeral, and you should always be pressured to KEEP THE MARRIAGE TOGETHER in situations like this. Long-term, you'll be grateful for it. There are always going to be doubts in a long relationship. You work through them. I can't believe that you claim to be a christian traditionalist and then have the gall to say "Oh well, how many of these women divorced these men because they stopped being sexually attracted to her?"
Newsflash: People AGE. You are INEVITABLY going to, one day, not find your partner as sexually attractive as you once did. If a man said "Oh, I divorced my wife because I don't think she found me attractive anymore", you'd easily be able to see how this was frivolous bullshit, and the man was an idiot. Why does it become a good reason for divorce when a woman voices it?
Men get the message that they're supposed to work through that shit.
Women, on the other hand, receive the message that if they aren't happy that things simply won't work out, they should begin looking for other men and threaten divorce unless their husband gives into their demands. And this is from CHRISTIANS who are trying to PROMOTE marriage. That's how far we're gone. Secular culture is even worse. There is pretty much no difference between "Husband and wife" and "Boyfriend and girlfriend" for most of our culture, other than the fact that the former has kids, and when they break up, the husband is expected to go into catastrophic debt to the wife.
Short of abuse or active cheating there is almost nothing that warrants a divorce, especially when there are kids in the equation. It would be one thing if these people were going their separate ways after raising their children - I'd think that was sad, but not necessarily so blatantly destructive. But that's not what's happening. The majority of divorces happen during peoples younger years, when they have children together. People are detonating their families and destroying their children, and you, a "christian" traditionalist, expect me to accept such frivolous reasons as "Oh, well, I didn't feel like my husband was attracted to me anymore - so I did the single most damaging thing I could possibly do to my children". You expect me to think that all we need to do is push men to marry those "good girl" christians, when christians HAVE A 40% DIVORCE RATE THEMSELVES, (except some sects, which have a 60% divorce rate), and Christians are ACTIVELY GLORIFYING A MOVIE where a woman denies her husband sex, starts an emotional affair, and blackmails him with the threat of divorce. You're fucking deluding yourself. You're trying to sell men on the guarantee that oh, these white christian girls are the GOOD ones who won't frivolously abandon you, while they actively gobble up stories about women using the threat of family destruction to get money from their husbands, and divorce at only a sliiiiiiiiiiiiightly lower rate than secular women.
Like so many "traditionalists", you're not an actual traditionalist. You think "traditionalism" means "I have a couple of non-PC political opinions, and when it comes to gender roles my answer is to invariably blame things on the men." That's why a 50% divorce rate, where 90% of divorces are initiated by women, becomes, in your mind, an issue of "Oh well…those women probably had a good reason to divorce. Like, they probably thought their husbands didn't find them attractive anymore. When women divorce, it's probably because the men did something wrong." EVERYONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG SOMETIMES. Women do PLENTY of retarded, petty, stupid shit in relationships. YOU DON'T JUST ABANDON A MARRIAGE BECAUSE OF IT.
Like so many people who call themselves "traditionalists", you're just a modernist carrying a cross.
aae2fa No.13246
>>13240>Like so many "traditionalists", you're not an actual traditionalist. You think "traditionalism" means "I have a couple of non-PC political opinions, and when it comes to gender roles my answer is to invariably blame things on the men."But you're completely wrong about that, and I have to correct you here. You've taken a giant leap in extrapolating that from what I've said. All I was doing, in pointing out that there are marriages that end in failure where men are at fault, was reacting to some of the rabid MGTOW anti-woman fear mongering going on ITT that would lead one to believe that all women are unsalvageable beasts and marriage is a fruitless pursuit in all scenarios. Maybe it came off as though I was suggested men are to blame, but that was not my intention at all.
There is no doubt in my mind by that (A) the system is heavily rigged in favor of women and (B) women are, more often than not, the guilty party in destroying good families. My reaction of men being at fault at was to just add some perspective to the debate here. I even stated "I can't believe I'm defending women," because it's the last thing I ever find myself doing. So I think you wasted too much time in taking that from what I am arguing, and I think it's important to clear that up because the more this debate rages on, I find we probably agree in more areas than we don't, for example:
>I am not going to deny that there's a huge portion of MGTOW who are pretty much embittered and broken for life (I said as much before) but many of them don't say that they'll fuck you over no matter what - they merely say that the risk is too great, and the law too geared toward fucking men over, for marriage to be worth the risk.>I've said it before, I believe that the foundation of civilization is strong, two-parent families between people who marry for life and raise children together.And, yes, I even agree that
>That's why it's so troubling to me that MGTOWs have an awful lot of valid concerns.However, I believe their "solution" to these problems are misguided in many cases; at least by what I have found to be suggested by the vast majority of their members. And these "valid concerns" as the unfair social obligations put on men as well as the system being rigged against men, actually don't come through in what they promote as much as what sound like insane ramblings of "women are monsters that will suck you dry and you, white man, are out of your mind to ever get married." And, that's what's troubling to me, because instead of opening the dialogue to what are very real problems in white society, we have a group that, on the one hand, becomes a fringe group of bitter maniacs who nobody will ever take seriously, and, on the other hand, a useful propaganda tool for those who have a vested interest in breeding the white race out of existence.
9c2317 No.13257
>>13246>However, I believe their "solution" to these problems are misguided in many cases; at least by what I have found to be suggested by the vast majority of their members. And these "valid concerns" as the unfair social obligations put on men as well as the system being rigged against men, actually don't come through in what they promote as much as what sound like insane ramblings of "women are monsters that will suck you dry and you, white man, are out of your mind to ever get married." And, that's what's troubling to me, because instead of opening the dialogue to what are very real problems in white society, we have a group that, on the one hand, becomes a fringe group of bitter maniacs who nobody will ever take seriously, and, on the other hand, a useful propaganda tool for those who have a vested interest in breeding the white race out of existence.this
e3005a No.13394
>>13257
This is something I can agree upon. MGTOW does make sense in the current context however to this generation because of the fact that it is a REACTION to the current feminist movement (Same with PUAs). At least both groups can create some salt from the feminists.
There were a few women willing to open up a dialouge for some of these issues, you will find them in the Men's Rights Movement. The problem is that there is not enough. We need more in the movement so men can have better protection against frivolous marriage laws and false accusations.
If /pol/ could somehow fight some of the ridiculous marriage/divorce laws in their own way, it would be the greatest boon.
I don't mind MGTOW, but I'm in more line of the MRM and it's Men's Rights Activists.
You should be helping the activists in your own way, and if you're worried about image, then at least do it 'away' from them so you can help from afar.
9c2317 No.13425
>>13394
>We need more in the movement so men can have better protection against frivolous marriage laws and false accusations.
>
the answer is the reduction of government power
not the introduction of convoluted laws that swells the bureaucracy the jews love so much
9cc9a7 No.13517
>>12323
What a long-winded and piss poor explanation for explaining why single people should sacrifice their values for the good of the white race.
0384a1 No.13547
>>13119
The laws of supply and demand don't apply to political power, especially in democratic societies. When there's less men in "supply", women make the "demands".
5c61d6 No.13565
>>13547
This is true for democracy. But what those demands are is heavily influenced by the supply and demand of men with sufficent MMV (marriage market value).
A man who rules out marriage has a MMV of 0, even if all other factors are favourable.
Youtuber Turd Flinging Monkey pointed out that how patriarchal a culture is can be determined by the ratio of men to women inside the sexual market of this culture. Less female oversupply and/or less male underdemand tips a society towards matriarchy, the opposite towards patriarchy.
Seen on the societal level instead of the individual level, MGTOW isn't the alternative to marriage, but to large scale armed conflict:
It reduces the matriarchising male demand in the marriage marketplace without bloodshed.
We shouldn't underestimate how big the effect would have to be to stop our decent into matriarchy. A mans fertility window is vastly wider than a womans, and this is probably the threshold where the instinctual change happens. Let's assume a 1:2 ratio of men to women in the marriage market.
Even japan as the nation where MGTOW is most widespred isn't at this point yet, which is why they still believe they can fight the herbivore phenomenon by fighting the herbivores instead of sweetening the marriage deal for men.
The coming years with the advent of affordable VR waifus should be pretty interesting, how the phenomenon and the approach how to react to it change.
ea1e76 No.13570
MGTOW is cultural marxism for easily swayed white technies
9133dc No.13594
>>13240
Good post.
I am not opposed to women.
I am opposed to divorce laws, alimony laws, child support laws, and USA sex culture in general.
There are lots of people willing to hate on MGTOWs, and MGTOWs are not much inclined to fight back.
MRAs want to be in the public eye to sell their legal ideas.
PUAs want to be in the public eye to sell their crappy ebooks and seminars.
MGTOWs want to be left alone.
It's easy to make MGTOWs into scapegoats.
But you know what?
I'm getting older.
My genitals are still functional - barely - but soon they will be shriveled and useless.
I'm aging out of the sexual marketplace. Pretty soon it won't matter how many women want me, because I'm not going to be able to do anything to any of them.
Sex is an issue for people who are young enough to actually get their genitals working.
9133dc No.13595
>>13238
>No, I'm asking you to find a quality girl. If one doesn't live in your hometown, go search the countryside. If you gotta go to to Belarus to find one, then go to Belarus, but, as a man, don't cheat yourself out of one of the greatest joys in life. And, IF YOU DO want nothing to do with that, then fine, but stop with this endless campaign to get rest of us who have had good relationships to give up on women.
>My sister is an example of a wholesome girl. She's not perfect by any means, but, you know what, she's pretty damn innocent and it would be a crime for a good white girl like that to just be wasted on a savage mudskin. It would break my fucking heart.
20 years ago, I could have been a decent husband to somebody like your sister.
This year, I'm thinking about when I'll die and whether I'll be able to afford to leave money for a coffin.
My life has not had much joy.
I say to hell with all these judgemental assholes who tell me I cheated myself out of joy. My life has sucked. There were damn few opportunities for joy of any kind, much less marital joys.
9c2317 No.13604
>>13595
and yet you fetishize asians
ce9a2d No.13609
>>13238
>I'll see your anecdotal evidence and raise you that in my hometown (in the south) there are plenty of good wholesome girls in church. No they aren't beauty queens, hell most of them can't even find a man because half of the guys are degenerates too busy drinking, doing meth, and then going into the city to find the first "hot" slut that wants to smoke a joint with them.
I'm curious, how homely are we talking about here? 7/10? 5/10? 2/10?
000000 No.13905
>>13595
>My life has not had much joy. I say to hell with all these judgemental assholes who tell me I cheated myself out of joy. My life has sucked. There were damn few opportunities for joy of any kind, much less marital joys.
Why don't you kill some feminists? Too few of them die.
000000 No.13906
>My genitals are still functional - barely - but soon they will be shriveled and useless.
Would HGH and steroids help?
5b2bf5 No.14511
>>12288
MGTOW is bad for society simply because it means those men aren't happy. We're not talking about people becoming celibate monks to find God. We're talking about disillusioned men who choose to not get with a woman, and therefore not have children.
e42912 No.14522
>>12288
Well for one thing, it's an outside movement shilling continuously on 8chan for page views and attention. That alone should tell you something about their legitimacy.
Overall though, I find the movement to be hypocritical in some ways, specifically because it can't decide what it wants to do with women. As some anon said there are different "levels" to it that become increasingly abhorrent to women, with max level people basically becoming wizards and never touching women. But to me that's just an excuse for an ideology that struggles to validate its own points and thus fails to create a real crystallized message, which may be why so many people get so confused about what exactly MGTOW is about.
I will give them this though, they are right about marriage being risky business these days, but they're also cowards. They see that the odds are stacked against them and they decide the best course of action is to just quit the game instead of playing better. People like them shouldn't be reproducing anyway, and I'm glad they've found a place where they can end their genetic lines together.
Oh wait except some of them actually do want kids and think that they'll become rich and successful enough to make them artificially. Do you see why this movement as a whole can be a little confusing at times? It's like the movement was about to focus itself into one central point, but then that point just barfed everywhere and the current movement is that decentralized spillage. I know that every movement has some internal variance but this shit just gets ridiculous. And don't even get me started on the MGTOW people who hate women but subscribe to PUA methods and still want to fuck as many as possible.
Oh and speaking of success, I'm sure anyone who has seen them shilling has seen this, but there seems to be this idea the permeates throughout MGTOW that if you don't marry a woman you will automatically be rich and successful one day. They will constantly taunt you about how you're gonna lose all your money in a divorce and how they will always be richer than you are. It seems a bit insecure of them, having to constantly validate their success by telling other people they'll never get it. I sometimes wonder if all MGTOWs are really just men scared of not being successful who base all their self-worth on how much money they'll make, because that's the way it seems sometimes, and frankly that's too materialistic for my tastes.
So yeah, that's my 2 cents on them. And for the record I agree with them on marriage and stuff like that to an extent, which is why I am very careful when I date women, but unlike them I'm not gonna pussy out and decide to hate women because it's hard to find a good one. And believe me, I've seen plenty of bad ones.
96990a No.14548
>>13238
>Just two weeks ago at the airport I met a sweet wholesome German girl traveling around the world. Yeah, she was a little chubby, but she is a conservative sweet girl just happy to have a nice conversation.
Not that anon, but I just wanted to say that I envy you so much right now.
569a8b No.14570
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>If you are not in favor of MGTOW how do you "fix" the men who suffer from it?
Everyone can get a partner, it's just that most fa/mgtow type men have very high standards. No women over 25, no overweight chicks, no single moms, no women under a 7, and all this despite that fact that the guys have very few attractive qualities themselves. No one is entitled to a hot partner, especially if you're not hot yourself. The problem would solve itself if these people were willing to date women within their own league. Elliot Rodger for example didn't approach and ask out a single woman ever. He just expected the 8+/10 blonde white women to approach him and beg for his cock. It was all his own fault that he was a fa virgin, he could have easily gotten at least a semi-attractive woman if he out in a little effort.
tl;dr - there's a very limited amount of young and hot women, and not nearly enough of them so that every single man can get one. Most men will have to settle for average or below average women, if they're average or below average themselves. Fa/mgtow type of men think they deserve only the best, and thus end up alone. Unless we offer free plastic surgery for all women, and start to genetically engineer people to only become attractive, there will never be a "solution" for the mgtow problem.
c31f8e No.14571
>>12288
loners
they already exist fucking weirdos trying to make a acronym for everything for fucks already doing it
fuck you mgtows your a loner fool
96990a No.14576
>>14570
This explains to much as to why these losers are the way they are. I couldn't put my finger on it, but you nailed.
What these guys need to do is figure out what they want, and what things would be a deal breaker in their relationship, and then stop being pussies about it. Yeah, MGTOW guys, guess what? Women hate when you act like self-entitled bitches like this.
I have absolutely no problem if a woman is fatter than most, or not a "8/10" that most of these guys expect as a standard. I guess I can stop worrying about being Forever alone like these fags.
945fdc No.14630
>>14570
>no women older then 25
So they don't like MILFs eh?
The whole concept of breaking away from the 'social collective' of women as a counter to feminism is redundant because you're essentially downplaying any good part of the male's ability to mate and just making them look like pussies
830859 No.14636
>>14630
They don't like women that aren't fit for having children.
9c2317 No.14637
>>14576
>>14570
>ever going for women that took other cocks for long term relationships
fat feminists posting now, everyone ignore
lol cant get more pathetic than this trash
d27ef6 No.14640
>>12288
I don't like how they call themselves Men Going Their Own Way when they aren't going anywhere except irrelevance. I don't really care to fix you lot, celibates and bachelors have their place in society, but I wish you lot would do something more to build the society you wish to live in rather than shutting yourself up.
ea7268 No.14764
The mgtow, like the feminist, liberal, conservative movements/groups have a very bocal minority that makes them all look like a bunch of bumbling retards.
Picture an atheist.
Is he a fedora wearing neckbeard? Thats the vocal minority.
Picture a feminist. Pink haired dyke? Vocal minority.
d081ac No.14768
Seems like a bitter attention grab. If you're sick of women/relationships then feel free to forget them, but don't make it a whole movement/ideology. Just makes me cringe.
9c8882 No.15132
I seriously don't get this shit.
It's like men *deciding* they don't want to have a family? Is that all it is?
Because, litterally, I see nothing else: men have always been going their own way, since Year 0. They caught a woman or two in their way and they built in the human collective experience.
The only difference is that MGTOWs are refusing to "surrender" to having a woman, like it's either something you choose or something dangerous.
They may be accelerationists though, that'd be kind of understandable, I wouldn't mind.
9c8882 No.15133
>>14768
Yeah, it's not even an idea or a movement.
a998ad No.15135
>>14640
>rather than shutting yourself up
Except on here, where they can't fucking shut up about it
355109 No.15136
>>14636
25 is nowhere near close to hitting menopause. MGTOW be sounding like some catty demanding ass retards.
Meh, I personally can't relate to a bitch if she's under 25. The under 25 category are just fucktoys as far as I'm concerned. They're still just brainless kids who don't have minds of their own yet.
>there seems to be this idea the permeates throughout MGTOW that if you don't marry a woman you will automatically be rich and successful one day. They will constantly taunt you about how you're gonna lose all your money in a divorce and how they will always be richer than you are. It seems a bit insecure of them, having to constantly validate their success by telling other people they'll never get it.
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The irony about that belief is that once you hit your 30s, women in general only care about how rich you are. Women less than 30 yr. old seem to only care about your looks, but once they get past the prime breeding stage, money is generally all women give a fuck about.
I noticed this in Seattle where nearly every single hot exotic bitch you meet is secretly married to some random fat midget who happens to be a millionaire. Of course, being married is only the acquisition of assets in this case, as the women in question are still functionally single, but not wifey material. (good for a fuck though.)
>>15132
I can relate to MGTOW who have been fucked over by divorce court. What annoys the fuck out of me is the whole subculture behind it. They act as if they're enlightening supreme geniuses who've figured out that the secret to happiness is to not have a wife. Welcome to manhood mothafuckas. All men are keenly aware that women are annoying as fuck. Back then, we actually put them in their place. Men of today are just wimpering pussies who let the pussy control them.
29adff No.15137
>>15136
I could agree that having sexual intercourse is fun and feels good, but it shouldn't be done just for the feeling. I feel that its quite magical and it should be done just to create more of our white species, not just to miss-use women who don't know any better,
e6cedd No.15140
To me it's just another "movement" based on some people's experiences with the opposite sex, which somehow lead them to believe most of/all the opposite sex is shitty.
d29b08 No.16681
>Is MGTOW legitimate?
WTF are you asking? Is English your first language?
>What is /polpol's opinion on MGTOW?
My opinion is that it's pretty good. Tesla was MGTOW and we're still using his inventions today, a hundred years later. So was Newton, and we still use his math and discoveries. If anything, MGTOW is good for society because we all benefit from the discoveries they make instead of working their asses off to buy women dumb shit.
>If you are not in favor of MGTOW how do you "fix" the men who suffer from it?
I'm in favor of it. Consider this. It only takes one man to inseminate hundreds or even thousands of women. It absolutely makes no difference, in a practical biological sense, for huge numbers of men to go MGTOW.
>Or how do you cure Elliot Rodgers' Syndrome?
Rodgers wasn't a MGTOW. Maybe if he wasn't a frustrated womanizer and was MGTOW, he would've been inventing useful stuff like Tesla and Newton instead of killing people.
Nietzsche was probably MGTOW too some of the time and his philosophy has defined the modern mind. Your fear of social decay, of a descent into nihilism, is Nietzsche all the way. This very question you are asking has its roots in Nietzsche's work and he was MGTOW. So now what, bitch?
ce7929 No.16711
There are two types of MGTOW.
The first is genuine MGTOW, who don't let society's expectations control them, work out, get rich, fuck lots of attractive girls and so on, without feeling the need to settle down with some chick whose going to end up divorce-raping you in court anyway.
The second are losers who never got a midway decent girl to look at them (or ANY girl), are socially isolated, unsuccessful and basically hopeless. Without MGTOW, they would be forced to confront the ugliness of their situation head on.
With MGTOW, they get a convenient excuse - they are not losers, they are just ahead of the curve on all these happy dudes living satisfying lives with attractive girlfriends, who are gonna end up miserable any day now.
Some may hate to hear this, but those kinds of "MGTOW" are basically inverse-feminists.
It's not that fucking difficult to live a sustainable life, or have a decent social circle, or get an attractive girlfriend. Hell, where I live, I've many times seen skinny nerds or awkward geeks with some knockout hot babes. DD's, nice asses, legs, face, the lot.
You just have to work for it, which loser "MGTOW" cannot bear to think about.
687e5f No.16713
It's shit. Despite their name they aren't going anywhere and are just sitting on their asses bitching about women. Men's movements and subcultures have always existed and if the MGTOW were to get off their asses, found some clubs, go on some hikes, have a couch ready for a brother in need and so on they'd be doing some real good, but they can't get over the fucking pussy.