/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

>>12388
Way to misinterpret what I wrote, anon.
Of course creations by Christian Europeans are part of European Heritage, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Christianity has been the greatest destroyer of our heathen heritage.

It wasn't called the Renaissance for nothing. Christians are on a never ending quest to subvert, co-opt and destroy anything non-Christian.

>>12388
Pre-Christian "European" heritage is:
>Beating chest like nigs; getting stabbed with a sharpened stick
>Incestuous and homosex relationships
>Rolling around in your own shit like uncivilized animals

in b4 "But muh germanic/celt/oogaboogaslav tribes"
Let's be honest: They would look at you (not you personally, but other op) as being soft and weak, and then you would probably be brutally murdered. Don't think any otherwise.

>>12402
>It wasn't called the Renaissance for nothing

And it certainly wasn't because of some mass renunciation of Christianity either. The Middle Ages were in fact a time of great advancement, as any halfway competent historian will tell you.

But obviously the Jews are an issue. Why would you say so, anon, on account of their race or their religion? I'm truly asking.

Can you account for the Christians being historically those who most often put the Jews to flight? Or is that just another layer of the labyrinthine Jewish conspiracy? Because if so we're starting to enter /fringe/ territory–and that's okay, but you ought to tell us.

Religion is bad, because is dogmatic and based on lies/misinformation/fiction.

If you want to improve your "spiritual" side, try reading and introspect judgement.

"Truly educate your inner self".

>>12402
I don't know about you but my people have been Christians for about the same length of time as they've been participants of this heathen heritage. If I wanted to get uppity about muh heathen heritage then I wouldn't mourn the Indo-European one but the anonymous religion that my people practiced in the tongue of their ancestors before they had their culture broken by barbarians from the asiatic steppe.

>>12378
I'm not Christian, just to make that clear from the start. I'm a deist who used to be a fedora-tier atheist (before that was even a thing), it started when I began reading some quantum physics books in high school. I was bored with the material I was learning and the subject was interesting to me, perhaps because I read too many sci fi novels for my own good. Regardless, as I learned more about the field and reread books on quantum theory multiple times until I "understood" them, I started to wonder what I thought about the universe and the question of a higher power. I'd think about it every day, debate with myself (friends didn't really provide useful debate) and read until I decided that it's crazy to think that there isn't a higher power than humanity at work. Even a part of humanity existing on an unobservable plane of existence is a legitimate enough God for a moron high school student like I was. I believe this power gives us the reasoning to figure out our own morality: and that's one of the problems I have with Christians; far too many set-in-stone (literally) rules about how life should be lived. Their core ideals (ie Golden Rule) are true and helpful enough but the arbitrary rules get insane. I do admire them, however, because they usually approach non-Christians with the mentality of "you can be saved!" rather than the Muslim approach of "you should be killed" or the Jewish approach of "you are subhuman". I'll give them that. I tend to agree with a lot of the core values of Christianity.

Is it true that Hitler said Christianity was a weak religion?
Because look at the state of World Christianity, they are allowing gays and all sorts of degeneracy.

>>12507
And this is the reason why we call it christian-faggotry. No, truth to be told - i don't get why christians are trying to convert /pol/ by dragging them into christianity. They didn't even recognized that they are derailed by keks, juice and shlomos.

>>12515
Be careful what type of Christianity you're talking about. In the Eastern Roman Empire they were treated as vermin, the gates of Constantinople were opened conveniently from the Jewish corner. In the Balkans, if you wanted to be a non-Christan merchant there would be roads which you could not take because they would be full of Hujduks. From what I understand the Catholics and Protestants were entirely compromised, nothing could prove this more than the fact that the Vatican FUNDED the Ottoman expedition on Vienna. In Russia. Christianity was still strong until the dead of Alexander II - and this was primarily the reason for this death.

So excuse me, not all Christians are Western faggots.

>>12531
I mean Nicholas II.

>>12531
My apologies for the sweeping generalisations regarding Christian-Kike relations in the Christian world with my Germanic viewpoint. Not knowledgeable on the Orthodox world enough to debate intricacies.

>>12552
You were the one who invoked the Indo-European invasion, buddy.

>Fucking Aryans, invading my land and making be convert to their shitty religion. I will never worship Odin and Thor. I will always worship the true religion of Europe.

- A man during the Aryan invasion of Scandinavian

Also, here is an interesting video on the Christianity vs Paganism debate.

>>12454
You certainly have a high opinion of people's potential for logical behavior. How many people have you actually met?

>>12515

You should have a better reading of the Renaissance then, the Renaissance was one of the most antisemitic eras on history. Have you heard about Martin Luther? in that he urged people to expelled Jews en masse?

>In the treatise he argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]

>>12572
He should really, really cultivate some facial hair.

>>12574
What the fuck is it with you Christians putting words in my mouth and intentionally misinterpreting what I say every single time?! What the hell is wrong with you?

>>12577
You said that Christians were jew-friedly, I said no. And you got buttblasted.

If I wanted this type of answers I would have gone to /pol/

>>12438
>Pre-Christian "European" heritage is:
>>Beating chest like nigs; getting stabbed with a sharpened stick
>>Incestuous and homosex relationships
>>Rolling around in your own shit like uncivilized animals
And people wonder why we think Christians are hostile too western civilization. To become a Christian in this modern age is to reject your own race, culture and heritage.

>>12574
> the Renaissance was one of the most antisemitic eras on history. Have you heard about Martin Luther? in that he urged people to expelled Jews en masse?
Martin Luther was NOT a member of the Rennaissance, he was a member of a period we call the Early Modern, or to be more specific the Reformation.

>>12574
Based Satan advocating Luther?
I'm confused now.

>>12378
I'm mostly like >>12504 but not as studied and well thought out. I guess you could say I'm a polytheist without going to much into detail. I don't really "pray" to a diety/dieties but I do tend to thank them for a lot of things as well as tell them to go fuck themselves other times. I like to think these dieties exist simply for the fact that it's nice to feel like hard work is payed off and that shitty things have someone to blame. At the same time I could be considered agnostic because I'm not very "spiritual" in that I really don't get too into it.

For the most part I see Christianity as a religion popularised by peasants in th e dying roman empire only seriously followed by nutjobs and sheep.

>inb4 I'm a nutjob
I know I am

>>12591
When do you consider that the Renaissance started?

>>12611
You're the one with bad reading, do you seriously got all those implications with my post? Or is because you wanted to see them?

Do you even know that what you call pagan art was mostly financed by the Church?
The Bernini's and Michelangelo's,
Or do you think that they got the money to export the highest level material from a workers salary?

If Christians destroyed all pagan shit then how did it suddenly appeared again? Please.

The Christianity that exists today is a tool for control and manipulation.
It is a religion manufactured by the ruling elite. Hence why the majority of the "New Testament" is a collection of letters from a Roman citizen.
Its value as a religion is the same as any other religion, a place holder to occupy the conscious mind while the unconscious, where all the good stuff is happening, is completely ignored.

Most people have completely abandoned it by the age of thirty, either overtly or covertly. Those who continue the facade past their thirties are just in it for the social aspects.

>>12617
Absolutely this. If it weren't for the Christians preserving Pagan ways, Paganism as we think of it STILL would not have survived–the Pagans were fucking terrible at writing things down. The Christians, just as they converted pagans, were in turn themselves converted by paganism. As Christianity spread to pagan lands Christians attempted to adopt the noblest aspects of it. Just as Thor became Jesus, Jesus became Thor.

Anyhow, the Renaissance was indeed a rediscovery of Plato, Aristotle, etc.–but these thinkers already formed the backbone of Christian thought. I don't think Ulfgar Whateversson contributed much. Wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WRITE SHIT DOWN.

>>12531
>I'm just going to take this opportunity to backstab my fellow Christians of different sects in the delusional hope that it will ingratiate me to all the fedoras and Vikingboos who are hostile to Christianity no matter what its form

They are perfidious peoples, the Greeks and Slavs.

>>12629
>Greeks
>perfidious

Frankly I think it's understandable considering that they were once a powerful Christian nation that, combined with Vatican backstabbing and eventually centuries of Ottoman rule and even genocide, were forced to collectivize whatever remaining population they had left to survive. This almost inevitably led to them becoming distrustful of foreigners and valuing their own kin above everyone else. Same goes for other Christian minorities like Armenians, which is my theory as to why the two groups are so close to each other to this day. Call it Jewification or something.

I don't know much about the Slavs, though. I've never really considered them to be that deceitful. However, being Orthodox myself, I will always consider them to be my brothers by faith.

>>12629
>Orthodox
>Back stabbing the western sects
>Not the other way around for 1'000 years

Anything you say your holiness. Remember when the monks of mount Athos declared a crusade on Rome, and then funded the moors into Spain?

>>12378
It's the result of the most evil magic trick / abomination conceivable. It's literally a religion that was based off of the worst people inevitably doing the worst thing possible and then it blowing up in their faces. The discrepency was what Jesus really is, the truth of that is guarded militantly.

Jesus is completely unconscious, an automatic response to destroy sin and to maintain humanity so that at the very least sin does not render it unsalvagable. What Jesus does is completely dictated by what humanity does. Humans can not relate to Jesus as he is not conscious and his physical manifestation is a product of the sins of humanity.

This is why the Muslims have a superior religion as a group even though it was written by some kind of ignorant guy for the most part.

>>12747
Fun fact: Jesus has only the ability to competently react to immediete events, "it" can not create anything - not even thoughts and "it" is most surely completely unconscious.

Here's another thing about Jesus, after he transfigures he transfigures a second time and at that point he is no longer considered Jesus and everyone this new manifestation effects is distroyed thus few or no witnesses are left, just bodies.

There is a reason there were thousands of people crucified after "Jesus" was "crucified", it's because they were afraid of the new manifestation of "Jesus" destroying those people and they would find themselves as collateral damage. Is this not correct?

But of course it's right to invade someones flocks, rape their daughters and abduct their sons because you're "civilized" and they're "nomads".

grrrrrrrrrrrr

>>12749
>>12438
didnt link right but this is the link

hey that's some inspiring stuff! good cover too. classic eyebrow cock

>>12611
so he hated on the "jews" sometimes because they were the reason they weren't purebreds, "jews" sometimes goes hand in hand with synagogue of satan and once related to satan always related to satan no matter how thouroughly bred and thats why the blessings come from the purebreds, less satan more blessing no satan most blessing so they left the breeders and brought some lions with them to unkill the romance

>>12611

lmao all you faggots i can imagine whats going through your minds "a million curses" lmao you fucking idiots got old schooled

All I take from this threads is this:

>Pagans are autists who never read books
>Christians are truly the master race
>Jews love atheism and paganism
>Jews hate Christians

That's seriously the tl;dr of any "XTians suck!" thread I ever read.

>>12762
>Pagans are autists who never read books
>Christians are truly the master race
>Jews love atheism and paganism
>Jews hate Christians

This pretty much, except that most Christians are goodgoys brainwashed by jewish media. Jews don't love paganism either, some promote it though in their war against goyim.

>>12762
Pretty much this.
I made this thread here hoping to get more insights and learn shit, but its basically /pol/ with longer answers.

Let's start again, and please answer thoroughly:

Don't you consider the separation from Judaism to Christianity, is also a separation in which people took the best of Jews but leaved the bad stuff behind?

>>12574

Luther was a philosemite until his deathbed. The fact you don't mention any of his books praising Jews and only focus on his dying red pill can make someone suspicious.

>>12627
>Just as Thor became Jesus, Jesus became Thor.

Ah yes, this appeal ad paganum via syncretism. Works great for a hollow traditionalist audience with an ulterior motive (ie the echo chamber of whiteism on the /pol/s and /Christian/) but repels people that actually want a religion they can believe in. When people grow up and live on their own, and age many want a religion they can actually believe. That turns out to be the religion that sticks to its doctrinal guns rather than touts its absorption of pagan gods as a positive.

What you're talking about is known in catholic philosophy as "complexio oppositorum" which is the church theory that in order to eradicate paganism the church had to become fully pagan.

Once you realize that and call yourself a Christian with a straight face you are only deceiving yourself. Hypocrites that want to revitalize christianity and the white race are hunting two rabbits and will catch neither.

>>12804
>Luther was a philosemite until his deathbed.
No.
>The fact you don't mention any of his books praising Jews and only focus on his dying red pill can make someone suspicious.
>praising
No.

Please take your nonsense elsewhere.

>>12804
>The fact you don't mention any of his books praising Jews
Oh you mean like "On the Jews and Their Lies"? Are we talking about the same Luther here? Or can you provide evidence that he praised Jews.

>>12507
>they are allowing gays and all sorts of degeneracy.
No, most are not allowing this. Most Christians are still against these things and that is why the left hates Christians so much.

>>12835
I believe what that anon is thinking of is that he originally thought that Jews could be converted but he eventually decided it was a waste of time.

>>12378
No.
Though there have been shills on pol saying that if I don't believe in an all powerful deity that using it as a social traditionalist force is bad evil and pointless.
They seem to assume everyone in society would be hyper smart and hyper individualist but this is not the case.

I'd rather have a third of my population a little dumber than the rest, a little more subservient. Than to be wiped out from existence because entirely different groups outnumber us 100 to 1 or more.

That segment of the population might genuinely believe in God and sin and the afterlife and for all practical purposes it doesn't matter to me. Will they keep a healthy family? Live by good morals? Obey ethical commands but disobey life destroying and kike like manipulation? Work smart and work hard? They don't need to be geniuses to be productive. It is actually often the case that those closest to the average intelligence are the most productive and rarely is it simply because smarter people guided them. They just don't have all that conceit. The smart guy will be lazy because he can do some things at a fraction of the time of the dumb guy but over time he will be soft bodied and his mind will deteriorate as a consequence. The dumb guy might be what you imagine a traditional lumberjack to be.

All modern science agrees that physically fit individuals keep a sounder mind into middle and old age. I'd rather an average smart guy that lives by good principles in my society than a 50 year old guy verging on dementia and delusional egomania trying to achieve some insane goal he thought up.

Believe in religion? As a good cultural bond between people? Yes I do.

>>12507
Those heretic scum who do so are dying while the conservative whites(who are vast majority 99% in the US Christian) are surviving.

http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/07/the-leech-of-liberal-christianity-is-dying/

>>12865
Whenever they ask "why Christianity?" I can only say I see no other viable alternative. It is the only religion which correlates with higher than replacement birthrates among whites and east-asians in developed nations. Or so says the US 2010 Survey, GSS, and Europoll. More specifically you can't be the faggy lala homoshit liberal Christianity you have to be some form of social conservative. Even in China the Chinese Christians of the middle class are the only ones willing to spend the extra money to have extra kids while the rest of the nation won't even have the 1 kid they allotted anymore. Perhaps classical Chinese Monotheism, which resembles Catholicism or Orthodoxy in its theological cosmology, was once very good but a certain faggot named Mao destroyed it.

Buddhism is shit and correlates with low as fuck birthrates. Islam has a poor philosophy of war(ie they get their asses kicked when actual opposition appears. Hinduism appeals only to shitskins with a mean IQ of 82. Japanese religion is gutted and hasn't saved Japan. Neopagans have shitty birthrates in general and pagans had shit bitrhrates in the past.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/breedingforgod/



inb4 kike on a stick

Though the Khazar story isn't the complete narrative of the Jewish diasporia it is an important part of it, other Jewish men moved to Europe and married local women then segregated themselves into enclaves. However it should be noted that the modern Talmudist jews have less genetic similarity to the ancient Hebrews, Egyptians, Babylonians, and Sumerians than the Europeans do. Those people are extinct and their descendants such as remained were displaced by Turks from the East and Arabs from the south. Asia minor and Arabia were once might lighter in skin tone.

The ancient Hebrews were just one more pocket empire that got conquered by Rome after their long feud with Babylon. They are nothing to vaunt in particular and nothing to ridicule they were average. The modern Jews for whatever reason have an abundance of parasitic faggots in their ranks and this is why people despise them.
Not that it matters, soon the Jews with be further marginalized and the Ultra Orthrodox who aren't that bright.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/jews-could-die-out-by-next-century-1319030.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/american-jews-in-danger-of-dying-out-survey-shows-25932714.html

And setting that aside I can't see how Christianity could be a kike plot since it is their primary social target in the west. Also actions speak louder than words? Who purged the kikes numerous times? Who threw them out when they started fucking about?



If you look at religion as part of a larger survival stratagem independent of any supernatural phenomena which may or may not exist you see why it is useful. If your offspring have a predisposition to adaptive behaviors, you socially indoctrinate them to those behaviors, religion reinforces those behaviors via multiple forms of appeal both of "what God wants" and fear of extra-temporal punishment for failure, and you have laws that use temporal legal authority to enforce adaptive behavior then it is almost impossible for your offspring to engage in maladaptive behaviors. Use anything you have to encourage survival: reasoned appeals to biologic interests, germ line engineering, chemical brainwashing, social indoctrination, all of it. Double the fuck up and make sure that not only do they understand what behaviors are adaptive and why they should behave that way but also instill in them utter contempt for weaklings and faggots who refuse to survive.

Now if you don't believe a religion because you don't feel belief in its tenants that is a valid reason not to follow it and also it might not work for your descendants if you aren't already predisposed to follow it without any deviation. But at the same time you can't say "opiate of the masses" with a straight face while you yourself act like a maladaptive faggot. Kings without heirs rule nothing but ashes. The pursuit of happiness and fulfillment is the true opiate of the masses, it makes them waste away in bed. And I say good riddance to all those who pursue happiness before survival and propagation. This is natural selection in action and humanity and our races will rise stronger once this soft purge is ended. Whites and Asians always had this weakness within us which the constraints of an impoverished natural environment and tradition kept from being expressed. Leftist faggots survived off the cultural largess of our religions and traditional culture. The irony is when they "freed" themselves of those constraints they began to drop like flies. Let all those who don't have a predisposition to survive die off, ZA VINAL ZOLUTIN IV YOU VILL!

>>12378
It is regenerate.
Atheists tend to be sjw reddistas and tumbleristas instead of the rational skeptics like the agnostic philosophers of the ancient world

>>12378
>So, so believe in it?

I do believe in it. There's a lot of stuff in the Bible that helps prevent degeneracy and builds strong families and societies which Europeans desperately need right now.

The thing about the Bible is that it is so complex that it can be used to justify almost anything; which can be both good and bad. Ex. it was used to justify both slavery and the abolition of slavery, justifies race mixing and anti-race mixing, justifies strong nations and tearing down of borders.

An intelligent person who is well read in the Bible could save the white race (as people like Joseph Smith attempted to do) or destroy it (like Jews and leftists do).

The Bible justifies both war and peace; it is not a pacifist religion, it has just been spun that way recently. I would encourage anyone (especially Europeans) to read as much of it as possible and you'll start to see what I mean. It's also obviously very anti Judaism to people who bother to actually study certain doctrines.

Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people he chose for his inheritance. Psalm 33:12

An ignorant person would assume this is referring to "the Jews". But "replacement theology" argues that Christians have replaced the Jews as God's "chosen people" when Christ set forth the new covenant. Jews are scared to fucking death of this idea because it puts Christianity in direct conflict with Judaism, as it should be.

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars–I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. Revelation 3:9

Properly argued, Christianity becomes the most anti Jewish force in the world alongside Islam.

"Therefore I want you to know that God's salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!" Acts: 28:28

Don't want to ramble on forever, but anyone who thinks Christianity is a Jew loving cult needs to take a closer look. It's also vital to remember that the ancient Hebrews are not equal to modern day Jews at all. Modern Jews are Talmudic, something Jesus really, really hated which among other things is why He was killed by the Pharisees.

I am a Christian.

Satan has done nothing but use man as a tool (guess who are in his Synagogue? ) in his insane attempt to overthrow God, but the Jesus has defeated the wages of sin (opposition to God's authority as Creator and Perfectly Holy): death.

Jesus, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, bore our sins, died and is risen so that we may believe in Him and defeat death.

>Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 15:13

>No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

John 18:10

There is glory and power and righteousness beyond measure in Jesus Christ, be washed in His Holy Blood and be powerful in His Holy Name. The Zio- Luciferian globalist elites would gnash their teeth in laughter at "atheists" and "pagans," and would grind your heads beneath their heels.

There is no bigger lie than "Judeo-Christianity." The Jews despise Jesus and despise Christians. Rejecting the Crucified and Risen Son for prehistoric paganism for affirmation of Europeanness is a horrible mistake. I am a white separatist Christian, I affirm my love for my race, but I know salvatiom comes only through the Son. Yes, Christianity is open to all races, but that doesn't mean our immigation policies are borne of a Christian theology. No, it is borne of Jewish subversion and exploitation of foreign workers.

God is POWER, GLORY, JUST, MERCIFUL and SUPREME. May God have mercy upon us all.

On replacement theology from its wiki:

"While supersessionism has been common throughout the history of Christianity and remains a common assumption among Christians, since the Holocaust it has been rejected by some mainstream Christian theologians and denominations."

SHUT IT DOWN.

>>12954
>>12951
>>12939
Great posts

>>12939
Excellent post. I'm tired of all these anti-Christian shills (most of which seem to come from neo-Pagans more than atheists) who falsely equate Judaism with Christianity because of their entry-level understanding of it. Anyone that has actually bothered to read and analyze the New Testament will see that there are many truths to be found, truths that can (and have) led Europeans to success. How can anyone claim that Jews love Christianity when they are the ones pushing for secularization and globalism? It's not in their interests, and so long as Christians remain dutiful to the Bible, it never will be.

>>12507
That's protestants and some catholics
The orthodox church hasn't sold out yet

>>12963
Imbecile.

Sure Jesus hated the fuck out of Pharisees, but that's because they weren't disciplined enough to heal or exorcise shit. Dude was all about the Spirit.

Also, the most successful mercabah mystic in, like, everrr. Hence, the transfiguration accounts (upon which he is depicted with angelic characteristics) and the whole eschatological Son of Man deal (Matt. 25.30, just like in 1 Enoch)

>>13029
>Matt. 25.30
Actually Matthew 25.31

>I have aproximate knowledge of many things

>>12438
You do know ancient Greece and Rome preceded the self loathing cuckold cult, right?.

>>12963

This.

If you guys are seriously arguing about supernatural mythological gods, you are retarded.

Holy fuck I hope a massive meteor hits this rotting planet.

>>12963
>being superstitious
>being religious
Pick one, and only one.

Let's argue that the world was, indeed, a coincidence.
The chance for this world, you, me etc. was obviously more than 0, as it happened. You and me are, as everything else, mere combination of information/matter. The chance for it to happen again is… not 0. Since consciousness is created via matter/information combination, it, too, will follow.

Enjoy your eternal loop.

>>12885
"the final solution if you will" read it aloud bucko

>>12402
Pre-Christian European heritage still exists today my friend! They just call it Africa now.

>>13116
leftypol you're drunk go home

>>13176
How is it bait?