/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

>>13958

My guess is that it's purely related to the where said white nationalists are from and their country of origin, which ought to shape their perspective and view of catholicism quite a lot. In my own home country these both things tend to be in the exact same side.

>>13958

>why do some White Nationalists engage in targeted antagonism towards Catholicism? How is that a sound strategy?

Because most of the white nationalists you read from on the internet are not nationalists. They are a mix of useful idiots and fake identities made by anti whites.

How is this even difficult to understand?

2 + 2 = ?

>>13978

Mind clarifying that statement m8?

>>13980

If the most discussion you get with nationalists is online then you have no proper way to tell who is and isn't an actual nationalist. You will encounter roleplayers and cosplayers as well as pretend nationalists that do anything from intentional abuse of stereotype to troll around because they are actually scared of niggers.

It goes both ways buddy.

Who sends millions and millions of dollars to Africa?

Christian and Catholic charities.

>>13992

How is that contradictory? Humanitarian aid doesn't immediately equal accepting mass immigration and multiculturalism. In fact, it ought to be the complete opposite. The best type of aid you can give someone is to allow them to establish themselves.

>>13999

The current excess of "humanitarian aid" combined with US/Israeli?IMF destruction of potentially rebellious nations is one of the main causes behind the current swarm of immigrants rushing by the boatload into Europe and Brittan.

>>14002

>>14004

That's true, good point. I admit I was thinking less about UN-style aid and more about smaller catholic-sponsored missions to communities.

>why do some White Nationalists engage in targeted antagonism towards Catholicism?

have you actually witnessed examples of this outside of autistic pagans/faux-pagan shills on the chans?

>>14010

Does Alex Linder count? He probably spends more time excoriating Catholics than Jews.

To be fair his influence pretty much only extends to internet forums, making him relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

>>13992

Criticizing Pope Francis and the U.S. bishops for their position on immigration, among other social issues, is fair. I do it too and so do most traditionalist Catholics I know.

Still, when I see traditionalist parishes doing tangible work to assertively defend the West, and white trad Cath families having loads of kids, I question the practicality and sensibility of anti-Christian white nationalists. Just seems like a counter-intuitive tactic to me.

>>14012

I don't think many people are negative towards the goal of producing a lot of white babies and raising them right, but I would agree that a lot of "white nationalists" and people from our political community have a tendency to have their head in the clouds, focused on projecting the purest forms of their ideology rather than working with what is practical.

>>14021

Agreed. It's the LARPers who obsess over ideological purity, and who can be the most right-wing, that will be the death of us. I first got into /pol/ because it tried to talk about reality, about what's really going on here and now and what we as individuals can do. Even the theory and abstractions are meant to serve reality, rather than trying to warp reality to serve abstractions and daydreams. That's bluepill shit right there.

>>13959

>the current Pope has done nothing but weaken faith

I'm not Catholic and I don't pay a lot of attention to Pope-related news, but whenever I see mainstream news sites touting some left-wing proclamation from the Pope, I take it with a large grain of salt. I tend to assume that there's a hell of a lot more context to his statements, and what we see in the news is mostly loose English translations of what gets printed in Italian tabloids.

>>14041

Agreed; the pope is a more liberal than one would hope, but this whole idea that he's a leftist is straight-up media fabrication. There really is a massive disconnect between what the Pope says and what the media reports; reporters who specialize in Vatican affairs have pretty much straight-up admitted they all but make shit up, or twist and take statements so out of context they can report the opposite of what was said. I'd recommend "The Vatican Diaries" by John Thavis for further reading on the subject.

The media really does hate the Church; by creating the narrative that the Pope is a leftist and a progressive they can further marginalize Catholics who are more traditional. Then whenever he says something they can't twist, he's "suddenly become far-right", or when the church elects even a mildly more conservative pope they've "regressed", they're "going back to the middle ages."

>>14038

He said trannies are worse then nukes, insulted the Turks, stood up the Dalai Lama in favor of trying to get the PRC to stop messing with the Catholic Church, and says his whole worldview is based on a cautionary Catholic sf book similar to 1984(Lord of the World). He's fucking awesome.

t.Trad Catholic monarcho-distributist lurker

>>13958

Aren't most traditionalist catholics hispanic?

>>14082

I don't have any hard statistics, but going by experience I'd say trad Caths in the U.S. are mostly white, with a noticeable Hispanic minority of course.

Hispanics tend to prefer liberal NO parishes just because those churches are more likely to be openly friendly to illegal immigration, or at least make an issue and focus of it over other things.

>>14083

Huh.

I remember reading latin america had a huge trad. catholic population, but I didn't know Americans really had one either. So I figured most trad. catholic churchs would be majority or predominantly hispanic.

>>14073

>>14076

Ayy mein negers.

Religion is a big blue pill. A useful tool to guide the weak minded, sure.

Thing is, Catholicism is a twisted, double edged tool as it's been used for so long by so many people of differing interests, each one adding their own twists and turns.

Look at how dated the bible is. Things that where "common sense" back then are now obviously ridiculous, as our understanding has deepened and become more sophisticated.

My main grievance with organized religion is that it does not ever adapt fast enough, becoming quickly dated and unwieldy.

As much as I do not like the CC in this they were right. For their coffers they needed the family unit so no matter what their motives were the end result was a large family unit with a moral compass.

I believe they should have done more for families to support them instead of just demanding respect. Religion is all about control and fear. Faith is about grace and peace. Taking your faith to church destroys it and you.

>>14104

Does Orthodox Christianity support divorce and contraception?

>>14108

No it doesn't.

>>14109

>>14109

To be fair, I doubt these denominations have much place or availability in most of western culture, Eastern Europe and Greece being the exception, so I see why you wouldn't count it as an alternative.

>>14115

not really. Large cities have them. Theres like 10 here in the Houston Metro Area

>>14010

What's wrong with pagans? I was raised as Asatru, so it's always been my belief. I've also never run into the LARPers or roleplayers that /pol/ is always talking about. Is there something inherently wrong with the virtues of Asatru?

>>14138

Most of the Pagans on /pol/ are probably jews hiding behind a false nordic visage to spew their immense personal hate of Jesus Christ, you can just tell by the tone and the bitterness of their personage. There's also a few people that spam the same tired arguments and pictures in any thread that's remotely related to Christianity.

>>14138

There is nothing wrong with Paganism, the problem lies with fedora tippers being wannabe Pagans and with shills simply using it as an excuse to steer people away from Christianity in countries that have little to no Paganism.

>>14385

>>Asatru is somehow jewish maymay

It is used by shills though, most of the people praising Paganism on /pol/ can barely name any god other than Odin and I don't think any of the fedoras shilling for it even know Paganism outside of Scandinavia exists. There are indeed plenty of Pagans, but shitposters like to inflate this value in thread even REMOTELY mentioning religion.

>>14387

You can't just lump up fedora tippers with pagans, only because they both bash on Christianity m8.

And the anti-asatru meme is that of muh heritage mericlaps instead of ignorant viking worshipping snowniggers.

But you are right, those retards do jump on any opportunity to shoehorn in their views in unrelated topics. And once it starts the thread is dead between the 'kike on stick' vs 'lumber' shitflinging.

>>14388

>You can't just lump up fedora tippers with pagans, only because they both bash on Christianity m8.

I am not saying they are fedoras because they bash on Christianity, I am saying that a lot of them clearly show a lack of understanding in the belief they are trying to push for. And the attraction towards this kind of shitposting is that Paganism is older than Christianity, which makes them think that one is "more traditional" than the other, while failing to realise that religion seeks to consolidate tradition and is in itself not enough to be considered as culture.

>>14138

For me I've always found three things that turn me off from the Asatru. One, many of them are far too pushy about their favorite brand of polytheism, pushing all germanics to adopt the scandinavian branch and even trying to get non-germanics to adopt a faith alien to their heritage while babbling on about heritage.

Two, many of them are far too out of control of their emotions when it comes to Christianity, in much the same way as the more annoying atheists. It comes across as bitter exes

Three, I find the prevalence of people who believe in the religion because they think it is useful but don't have faith in the Gods to be distasteful. Religion as the opiate of the masses was proposed by a jew, we shouldn't adopt it.