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Fagmods discussing the removal of effective moderation and how they use kid gloves on spammers they like
Session Start: Wed Mar 25 23:08:50 2015
Session Ident: #8chan-pol
03[23:08] * Now talking in #8chan-pol
03[23:08] * Topic is '88 0/'
03[23:08] * Set by faggetttss on Fri Jan 30 13:55:13 2015
[23:12] <@Nacht_> o/
[23:12] <@Nacht_> I had no idea you were the OP on the 2hu thread.
[23:12] <@Nacht_> I wouldve still deleted it, but prob a shorter ban
[23:13] <@Nacht_> people would think we're biased towards weebposters if we left it stay up, was my thought process
01[23:15] <Tryptamine566> haha it's cool
01[23:15] <Tryptamine566> I wish people on /pol/ didn't get so paranoid about that kind of thing though ;__;
01[23:15] <Tryptamine566> I think we're bleeding users a bit because of the atmosphere on /pol/
[23:16] <@Nacht_> usercounts are a cycle, Ive noticed
[23:16] <@Nacht_> early and mid week, from 2600-2800
[23:16] <@Nacht_> thurs-sat, 3100-3300
01[23:16] <Tryptamine566> huh, didn't realize that
01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> the user count gets less accurate the larger a board gets though, because it can't count users whose posts fell off the last page
[23:17] <@Nacht_> Im sure weve lost some users, though
01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> and on fast boards that takes less than 3 days
[23:17] <@Nacht_> Id never seen it hit 2600 before this week
01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> yeah, quite a few:
01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> http://nnmm.nl/chanstat/graph.php?https%3A%2F%2F8ch.net%2Fpol=on
01[23:18] <Tryptamine566> It kind of tops out at 3500, when a board gets so large you have to rely on PPH to see how big it is
[23:19] <@Nacht_> yeah
01[23:19] <Tryptamine566> like, /v/ is actually about 2x the size of /pol/ right now, even though 8chan says their UIPs are about equal
[23:20] <@Nacht_> Well, you're right about the atmosphere going too far into the serious side
01[23:20] <Tryptamine566> glad I'm not the only one who thinks so
01[23:20] <Tryptamine566> I've been browsing other boards on 8chan, almost everyone outside of /pol/ agrees too
01[23:21] <Tryptamine566> I think it's hurting the board a bit
[23:21] <@Nacht_> what do you think we should change?
01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> I think a good place to start would be to quit the witch hunt for shills, or at least to massively tone it down, and encourage the users to follow
01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> here's something I wrote to Doorways that kind of explains my reasoning:
[23:23] <@Nacht_> also, do you want to OP the thread about shill accusations? You're a little better at talking to users, Im a little more abrasive
01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> As for any concerns about shills: we might be doing more harm than good. The cointelpro sticky seems to have ramped up paranoia on /pol/ to 11 instead of encouraging critical thinking like it was intended to. Instead of prompting people to respond to logical fallacies with well-thought out responses, we have half of /pol/ accusing the other half of being JIDF at any given moment, and people on the site as a whole are accusing the /pol/ mods of being 'tinfoil' as a bonus (which hurts the credibility of the board, even if it's not true).
01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> Consider this: if a shill makes poor arguments and his posts are allowed to stay up, they serve as a good example to the rest of the userbase on how to spot shills and argue against them, and /pol/ becomes stronger against them in the future. If they make poor arguments but we ban them for it, the userbase will gradually learn to use the mods as a crutch; when they see shills, they'll just report them/call them a shill and wait for the mods to arrive instead of actually learning to argue against them, which makes /pol/ weaker against shills if there ever comes a time when all the mods are asleep/away. If a shill makes good and well-thought-out arguments, then why are they being called a shill in the first place? And if we ban them in spite of them making good arguments, that will definitely create a backlash and allow our detractors to paint us as a hugbox. The same applies to "bait", I think. People are starting to become overly reliant on moderation to remove posts they don't like, instead of either ignoring them or refuting them with evidence. And even a thread that starts off with a shitty OP can become pretty good when people post a lot of information and well-reasoned arguments refuting the OP, something which I have seen happen on many occasions when we haven't gotten around to deleting bait threads shortly after they were created.