/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

>>14354

It's fairly clear that that board came down by the sum force of some agenda or conspiration. Unless you have some kind of plan to defend this place against such tactics and logistical prowess, which I assure you, you cannot, do not draw too much attention to this board.

Now, that would be the plan if this board was able to survive in the case of stealth, but we all know that that's bullshit and the hounds of war have been let loose on any and all of our kind. The strength of internet discussion lies in its decentralised nature; it can pop up anywhere and disappear just as easily. If you condense it all into one board (/pol/), you're simply painting a larger target for your would-be digital saboteurs. This is what happened to 4/pol/, this is what happened to 8/pol/. If you decentralise it, however, and spread your ideas out far and wide while maintaining their quality, having each man fully and greatly understand and 'contrib00t', not in the sense of posting OC, but of facilitating it in and of its own, then it becomes nigh on impossible to destabilise, dissipate, and destroy the discussion and this movement.

Do not make the mistake of turning this into the next /pol/, because this will die like the two before it, and as /n/ and /new/ have, or so I've heard (2013-pol fag here). Our only hope is to spread out, infect as many boards as we can with the truth, and escape this well to damn mankind.

Propagate or perish.

Ehh… advertising could bring some good people but of course, it'll bring more bad than good.

The advertisements would have to be worded very carefully to avoid bringing in too many shitposters and moderators would have to be very active and fast in handing out long bans to the blatant shitposters attracted.

I think the outcome would be generally positive if the mods can deal with the huge influx of shitposters quickly.

>>14355

I'll disagree. Spreading and decentralization is useful, but you need a place to concentrate ideas and have deep inquiry from like-minded people. If you lose that, information fizzles out over time and the spirit of your message becomes lost. Not to mention you'll probably be throwing pearls before swine in at least a few cases.

I do agree though, we shouldn't try and replace /pol/, and inherit all of its shills and problems with the benefit of a slightly better moderation team. Some light advertisement is probably a good idea, but we should try to stay low, maybe on the edge of the top 25 at best.

The BO does come out, when serious Meta discussion takes place only instead of any productive input it's basically GTFO ala "take it to Meta" They also moddedd when /polpol/ made inbounds so I strongly suspect it will happen again.

As for board advertisement pulling a 32 when we reach the bottom of the top boards (or just barely) we take ourselves off the listing and become a hidden board. This way people who only go for the top 25 when they see it won't come.

If we keep it in manageable numbers we'll avoid an Eternal September.

>>14354

>/pol/ seems to have deteriorated further.

Nice opinion, faggot. Of course there will be bait threads, always. That is irrelevant. I've seen mods act very swiftly on bait threads often in recent weeks.

>>14370

Fuck you faggot, I just went back.

>ironic shitposting

>obvious shills

>b8

>pls vote for the good goy party UKIP banner

Everywhere.

The site went to shit a long time ago, but /pol/ feels like fucking /s4s/.

>>14354

>question is, do you want to use this opportunity to advertise on /pol/ for the betterment of our ideology and movement? little can be accomplished when a board is drowning in refuse and irrelevant discussion of the same shill controlled topics. currently it appears that shills and shitposters are running wild, there's about 3-4 'redpill me on x' threads on the front page with 30+ responses and its honestly hard to see a qualitative difference between 8pol and 4pol atm.

Yes. /polpol/ is not at the point where quality>quantity. 8ch is very slow past the top 5 or 10, and /polpol/ as is could use any kind of traffic so long as newfags adjust.

So long as the staff can deal with the shitposting efficiently, do it.

>>14370

lol

Haven't been on pol for a long ass time. Can someone give me a summary or tl;dr

>>14404

It degenerated into shitposting due to complete lack of moderation and influx of shills+redditors+SJWs

>i am curious if you think preemptive action would be more effective.

I didn't mention this in my last posts but the last couple times you tried to bring people over was during the shitstorm where people thought you were part of the divide and conquer tactics, if your going to do it then preemptive action and doing it before the shitstrom would be better.

I personally think we should follow >>14408 advice with the caveat that we should at least keep polpol as a known board otherwise when they forget this board exists it will die.

While were at it what are we going too do about a Chanology 2.0 styled wave? Were getting more well known, more popular, and dare I say it more mainstream. Sooner or later it might happen.

Or if 4chan is killed from the new management? All the *chans at large from that scenario I imagine will be flooded not just 8chan it's also when the Oldfags come back. They might just start their own board but if they don't we should get them to come over here.

>>14433

And the state of /pol/ today is horrendous.

Most times it reads like tumblr or reddit.

There are always multiple threads about god/vs/fedora, men cucking their own way, race baiting and marxist shilling.

It may be quiet in here, but at least it's productive.

Just gonna link to a post I made on /pol/ that sums up my opinion on the state of /pol/: http://8ch.net/pol/res/2002783.html#2002929

tl;dr we need to unite all the /pol/s. Not just /polpol/ and /pol/ but /leftypol/ too and even 4chan's /pol/ to an extent. We need the power of one united /pol/ back and I will shill my ass off to make it happen if that's necessary.

Bringing attention will be good and bad, but as long as the shitposting is kept under control so that quality stays high, I'm all for bringing in new people.

Stop shilling your dead fucking board on ours you manchildren.

We got Ben, you got nothing.

Fuck off.

https://mega.co.nz/#!U8NzUQZZ!4kj9NBtM9plfHVHlcWeZkTZSN7LmH0QerbdZLMm-0mQ

Dead fucking board deserves a dank Moon Man track.

>>14477

Why the fuck do you want him?

He's just milking money out of gullible faggots and has gone near cringeworthy.

>>14477

You got a distraction to make you forget the board ownership change. Congratulations, you're getting used!

I'm just curious if you're going to abandon the board after driving off the legitimate users, or if you'll maintain it as a honeypot? Time will tell

>>14454

The sentiment is all well and good but do you have any proposals to back up your enthusiasm?

Your first mistake was not asking Old Fags on other boards about this like I did, and why I ultimately decided that this board was the better option then wading through shit.

Your second mistake is that you didn't back your claims up with gathered evidence, I mean the Mods and Vols of /pol/ have their faggotry all over the second Shill Dig Thread near the bottom you can quickly screen cap that then start lurking for opportunities to get the other relevant threads unless you want to wade through archive.today (hint: putting in /pol/ in the search bar won't help you).

Finally, you don't have any proposed plans on how to achieve this. It's basically this is what we need to do, and that's about it; without concrete plans and ideas I find your inspiring speech I lacking.

Finally your jumping to conclusions without really lurking moar, I'd like to see your evidence of polpol being a hugbox for example or what other splinters you've found and proof their hugboxing as well. Understand we are here at polpol specifically because fuck /pol/'s entire Mod team we've had enough of their shit.

So if your serious about this comeback later and give us your ideas, the BO here is seriously considering making a big move otherwise why would he post this thread?

BTW here's an archive of your thread: https://archive.is/AbZoU

New person here.

Thankful to the person who mentioned there was a /polpol/.

It's extremely frustrating to lurk moar and learn on /pol/, because so much of it is shitposting and edgy people.

Half the time i'm not sure if it's all some inside joke, with a few people who don't know better sprinkled in.

So, my new person-don't-take-it-to-serious opinion is to drop occasional mentions (every week or three), because the people lurking enough will see it and grab the lifeline.

>>14526

>lurk moar

Oh bite me. I've been here since the first exodus and I've been browsing /pol/ and all the fucking splinters since they cropped up.

If you can't see how weak /pol/ as a group is and why it's important to strengthen it then this is pointless, enjoy the steady decline in your ivory tower.

after reading through http://8ch.net/pol/res/2001432.html#2030793

and being disgusted with the amount of gamers, mgtows, porn addicted, women hating, incel betas on /pol/ i've settled on a recruitment/awareness strategy.

i will advertise on /pol/ with the explicit intent of appealing to the people who despise the archetype i just described above, i think most users of /polpol/ understand that being a mgtow, porn addict gamer nerd is fucking pathetic and counterproductive to what our prevailing ideology is(white-ethnonationalism, perpetuating and securing a safe future for the white race and hopefully eliminating the kike in some form or another.)

in my threads/posts i will deliberately insult and alienate mgtows and the archetypal betaboy and appeal to the brand of person we want here. a mgtow/porn addict/video game nerd is no more useful to our cause than a SJW is imo, let me know your thoughts on this, i have to go to bed.

>>14572

That sounds good to me. As you said, the people who make up this board's community shouldn't be counterproductive to its ideology. While we need people to keep this board alive, attracting mgtow, women-haters, etc. could easily ruin it.

>>14573

Are you a woman?

>>14574

Nope

i say dont advertise at all. Intelligent people will just find this place.

>>14354

How did pol get new ownership?

Its as bad as always because people are scared of making a big mod team

I'm unaware of the mod watching/review process of mod activities by the board owner that are possible in the 8infinity system

Perhaps they lack?

Either way

Pol on 8pol is a drain from 4pol

It uses to be news or new

Why is pol the default? 4pol

Yes advertise but the people with IP switching at their disposal should be putting images into threads

I have come here to see if Russia shilling claim was true and it isn't

Haven't been banned for Russia hate yet

We need to have some threads in which we do discussion/debate with each other and then clearly indicate that we usually have those debates here

I recommend people bump some of the older threads that they find interesting with actual replies

I regularly advertise polpol when I'm on pol. Just a second ago I was there, and nothing but baiting and sliding threads on the front page.

The more politically interested people come here the better. With a strong moderation, we can have a productive, informative discussion here.

>>14597

>I'm unaware of the mod watching/review process of mod activities by the board owner that are possible in the 8infinity system

There isn't one. Board owner gets to pick how things operate and if Board Owner disappears Hothweels hands the board over to the first idiot who asks.

>>14893

Yeah, it's been essentially nuked. Every Infodump that wasn't stickied is gone.

>>14354

Testing 123

>>14893

Only newsies I detected was cuckaloadeon and Saudi honeypot,everything was fine 1 day ago

I may have missed ongoings I need to work for a living

Anyway if this site becomes unusable I'll dox myself and we set up shop someplace untouchable

Keep fighting tho I need to see what happens next

>>14660

How would I get in touch with hot wheels? Like in person

>our ideology and movement

This is why nobody uses /polpol/

>>14893

This is the reason I am here as well (it was full of weird cuck posts). While I hate the idea of fracturing the /pol/ user base (again), there's no point wasting time in a board which doesn't have the attention of a competent mod.

>>14974

>This is why nobody uses /polpol/

Nobody uses /polpol/ because people care more about 4chan legacy names than the quality of the board itself. Unlike GG, which is on it's third (possibly soon to be fourth) board, no migration from an "original" board has succeeded, despite the horrible moderation and non-existent quality of, at least, /v/ and /pol/.

>>15088

Not really. I was very active here until I was banned for questioning the integrity of Nazi expansionism. The BO here is a German-Australian faggot who can't take idealogical criticism.

GG migrated because the BO nuked his own board. /pol/'s owners are more stuble in their cancer.

>>15097

>I was banned for questioning the integrity of Nazi expansionism. The BO here is a German-Australian faggot who can't take idealogical criticism.

Sounds justified to me, you got a ban for regurgitating baseless propaganda. Go look up genocides of ethnic Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia pre- and post-war if you think German "expansionism" was unjustified.

>GG migrated because the BO nuked his own board

GG migrates because BOs get bored and hand over control to whatever group of skids GG is an e-war with that week.

>/pol/'s owners are more stuble in their cancer

Is that a joke? Gnocchi, Tryptamine and Hotwheels were anything but subtle. It's not our fault /pol/acks are too dumb to realize making /pol/ an "equal opportunity ideological battleground" is the net equivalent of getting culturally enriched by niggers and calling it "diversity".

Someone on /pol/ posted this dox saying that this was one of the new owners of /pol/ and then the thread was deleted. Anyone have any more information as to what is going on?

http://8archive.moe/cow/thread/102052/

>>15218

it was fucked up for about 2 hours after that it went back to normal

Board Owner, could you enable TOR image posting? It doesn't seem to have been used on the non-shitposting boards (i.e. /tech/) it has been enabled on.

>>15229

>It doesn't seem to have been abused on the non-shitposting boards

test post sorry guys

>>/2228268/

>>15343

>>>/2228268/

Ey, yo, shit's hit the fan.

Plebbit's flooding us, and some faggots are trying to lump /polpol/ in with failed goon boards like /vvv/, so we might get some more animu shitposting.

>>15364

Shit, really? Source on that?

>>15373

>Secret club mentality will literally kill this place.

It's always been a few small groups of shitheads on boards like /int/, and the ircfags (how's that for a secret club, HW?) but every time there is some stink they twist things around so that the problems they cause get applied to the overall userbase.

The whole new stink is completely contrived and retarded. The reddidfags, while fags, literally did nothing wrong. I haven't been able to find a single offending post by redditfags outside of obvious false flags. Basically as soon as the Reddit news hit, people started incessantly concern trolling. It's the same opportunistic outsider shitheads that have ruined pol and other boards several times already. They just wait for any possible controversy then make sure it happens, then twist the account of events to justify whatever change is favorable for their shilling.

>>15372

I myself don't really have a problem with reddit coming here. They would almost certainly stick to their own boards, except for the open-minded people that we should all welcome. I haven't seen any problems with reddit posters since the stink started, it's all concern trolling and false-flags from shills with an agenda.

I've also noticed increased datamining threads, likely coming from the same group of shills that are trying to see how the userbase is changing (I really doubt it has changed much yet)

The self-reinforcing top-25 was just removed by HW as a test. It would be a good time to expand the userbase here. Not sure how long he'll keep top 25 disabled

off topic post ***

i have just made a board

>>>/veil225/

that encourages furthering our understanding of propaganda, and advocates spreading enlightenment.

I see this as being relevant to politics, and although i have made threads about it within political boards it feel it requires its own individual attention. I like polpol, its users, and invite you all to have discussion within this new board.

forced anonymity and very TOR friendly

>>15377

>I myself don't really have a problem with reddit coming here. They would almost certainly stick to their own boards, except for the open-minded people that we should all welcome.

I think that's naive. Redditors, once they begin to branch out from /fph/, will go to most active and accepting board, /v/, which has been our /b/ since the start. Just like on 4chan, they'll see /pol/ derails, get triggered by "nazi" stuff like the holohoax, and begin to parrot the familiar mantra of

>go back to /pol/ stormtard

Eventually, we'll become 4chan, with redditors/tumblr/everyone posting freely and shitting on the "original" (read: post exodus) userbase.

It's analogous to mass-immigration: first we welcome the "good" ones, then the Jews slip in, and then we become Africa. The problem is that too many of them are coming at once, and that too much of the current userbase didn't lurk here or on 4chan, so they won't enforce the "secret club".

>>15415

>Is there something we can do, or is it all over?

Not being a defeatist helps. Hopefully now that the top board is gone, this board could start growing again.

Other than that, I guess some rules could help. I could be being retarded, but I've been here since December and I don't recall ever seeing any rules. I like the owner's style and all, but opaque moderation doesn't inspire confidence in newfags and makes /int/-style D&C very effective.

I'd also say advertising is a bad idea, since people in search of quality seem to be finding their way here naturally as every other politics board seems to be a hugbox.

I am partial to both arguments ITT. Quality has always been more important than quality.

Then again, I think a lot of people ITT are selling the /polpol/ board owner short. They've done an excellent job removing shit, obvious bait, muh based Asian wommenz, and all other nonsense any time even a hint of it shows.

According to board stats, we only have 20-30 unique users here. As high as the quality is, that's probably not enough to get anything done. I would use a board like /christian/ or /tg/ (those are boards with 300 or so unique members that are very on topic, with almost zero shitposting tolerated, and the userbases range from moderately well informed on the topic of the board to extremely well read - whether you agree with them or not.)

I think some good targeted strategic advertising is probably necessary at this point.

>>15425

>Quality has always been more important than QUANTITY*

>>15425

>/tg/

>well-informed

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same board here anon, because the one I'm thinking of I wouldn't bet you a dollar even one in ten posters have even read the rulebook, let alone played the games they talk about.

>>15434

Ugh, I guess that was an uninformed statement by me then. The four or five threads I've been on on there were quite good, but, I'll take your word for it, I haven't spent much time on there.

I still stand by my main point, but I retract my example of /tg/.

Is this board dead then or what?

>m bored and really drunk so here's all the /pol/ moderator logs I saved up through the end of April. It's pretty long (about 1.1 million characters in length, or 650,000 not counting the reports bot). It would take about 250 posts to copy and paste the whole thing here, so here's 5 pastebin things instead. The first three parts are the actual IRC logs, the other two are a collection of (almost) every report /pol/ received through April, for your entertainment:

logs (without report bot) through 1/24/2015: http://0bin.net/paste/CdNoS5FCYTH83Ogf#DubOPuURTNxVC2Rf4e0raAUcnDqUwaX5okUeLGPx+B8

logs 1/25/2015 - 3/31/2015: http://0bin.net/paste/2cF9p98xD13TOEzd#IPhMrNotmtajaa3uc5BaIn8yvpdmb4L1DTUHlI4Y1C-

logs 4/01/2015 - 4/26/2015: http://0bin.net/paste/tYncAz3n-3SJjIT0#1o+YO7xIA7MbtuEJWPN9kEHpg1wXOnyz1Qdpwr+NuuT

report bot 4/1/2015 - 4/11/2015: http://0bin.net/paste/NsTfDipZ1VnF4GXS#hg9uupKUiwpEcN6a7WFyDVaZat7ynw4GnK44ccbiRMD

report bot 4/11/2015 - 4/26/2015: http://0bin.net/paste/VDdOZmTCOnQbXXXM#O6H6C4OvC-hdiats0DLqHVhU5MvpPZ4Vq+2gQdiMCw9

some anon on /b/ just dropped these logs, went through msot of them and didn't find anything too intresting. maybe i missed something.

If no one minds I'll copy the sections most relevant to our interests here

Fagmods discussing the removal of effective moderation and how they use kid gloves on spammers they like

Session Start: Wed Mar 25 23:08:50 2015

Session Ident: #8chan-pol

03[23:08] * Now talking in #8chan-pol

03[23:08] * Topic is '88 0/'

03[23:08] * Set by faggetttss on Fri Jan 30 13:55:13 2015

[23:12] <@Nacht_> o/

[23:12] <@Nacht_> I had no idea you were the OP on the 2hu thread.

[23:12] <@Nacht_> I wouldve still deleted it, but prob a shorter ban

[23:13] <@Nacht_> people would think we're biased towards weebposters if we left it stay up, was my thought process

01[23:15] <Tryptamine566> haha it's cool

01[23:15] <Tryptamine566> I wish people on /pol/ didn't get so paranoid about that kind of thing though ;__;

01[23:15] <Tryptamine566> I think we're bleeding users a bit because of the atmosphere on /pol/

[23:16] <@Nacht_> usercounts are a cycle, Ive noticed

[23:16] <@Nacht_> early and mid week, from 2600-2800

[23:16] <@Nacht_> thurs-sat, 3100-3300

01[23:16] <Tryptamine566> huh, didn't realize that

01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> the user count gets less accurate the larger a board gets though, because it can't count users whose posts fell off the last page

[23:17] <@Nacht_> Im sure weve lost some users, though

01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> and on fast boards that takes less than 3 days

[23:17] <@Nacht_> Id never seen it hit 2600 before this week

01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> yeah, quite a few:

01[23:17] <Tryptamine566> http://nnmm.nl/chanstat/graph.php?https%3A%2F%2F8ch.net%2Fpol=on

01[23:18] <Tryptamine566> It kind of tops out at 3500, when a board gets so large you have to rely on PPH to see how big it is

[23:19] <@Nacht_> yeah

01[23:19] <Tryptamine566> like, /v/ is actually about 2x the size of /pol/ right now, even though 8chan says their UIPs are about equal

[23:20] <@Nacht_> Well, you're right about the atmosphere going too far into the serious side

01[23:20] <Tryptamine566> glad I'm not the only one who thinks so

01[23:20] <Tryptamine566> I've been browsing other boards on 8chan, almost everyone outside of /pol/ agrees too

01[23:21] <Tryptamine566> I think it's hurting the board a bit

[23:21] <@Nacht_> what do you think we should change?

01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> I think a good place to start would be to quit the witch hunt for shills, or at least to massively tone it down, and encourage the users to follow

01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> here's something I wrote to Doorways that kind of explains my reasoning:

[23:23] <@Nacht_> also, do you want to OP the thread about shill accusations? You're a little better at talking to users, Im a little more abrasive

01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> As for any concerns about shills: we might be doing more harm than good. The cointelpro sticky seems to have ramped up paranoia on /pol/ to 11 instead of encouraging critical thinking like it was intended to. Instead of prompting people to respond to logical fallacies with well-thought out responses, we have half of /pol/ accusing the other half of being JIDF at any given moment, and people on the site as a whole are accusing the /pol/ mods of being 'tinfoil' as a bonus (which hurts the credibility of the board, even if it's not true).

01[23:23] <Tryptamine566> Consider this: if a shill makes poor arguments and his posts are allowed to stay up, they serve as a good example to the rest of the userbase on how to spot shills and argue against them, and /pol/ becomes stronger against them in the future. If they make poor arguments but we ban them for it, the userbase will gradually learn to use the mods as a crutch; when they see shills, they'll just report them/call them a shill and wait for the mods to arrive instead of actually learning to argue against them, which makes /pol/ weaker against shills if there ever comes a time when all the mods are asleep/away. If a shill makes good and well-thought-out arguments, then why are they being called a shill in the first place? And if we ban them in spite of them making good arguments, that will definitely create a backlash and allow our detractors to paint us as a hugbox. The same applies to "bait", I think. People are starting to become overly reliant on moderation to remove posts they don't like, instead of either ignoring them or refuting them with evidence. And even a thread that starts off with a shitty OP can become pretty good when people post a lot of information and well-reasoned arguments refuting the OP, something which I have seen happen on many occasions when we haven't gotten around to deleting bait threads shortly after they were created.

incidentally what's the character limit on this stupid site? I hate having to eyeball this crap

01[23:24] <Tryptamine566> Yeah I'd be cool with starting the thread

01[23:25] <Tryptamine566> let me just unban myself first lol

[23:25] <@Nacht_> you said that in IRC the other night before I was home from work, the night of the mod meeting, right?

[23:25] <@Nacht_> I think I had read that part of convo, but dunno could be confusing it with other things said that night

01[23:26] <Tryptamine566> ahh no, I wrote that to him in a PM

[23:26] <@Nacht_> I see

01[23:26] <Tryptamine566> I may have said something similar at an earlier point tthough

[23:26] <@Nacht_> I agree with what you're saying, though

01[23:27] <Tryptamine566> what do you suppose we should actually talk about in the thread? Just cominng up wwith ideas before I write it out

[23:27] <@Nacht_> outside of todays 9/11 threads, I don't think I've ban/deleted anyone I suspected was a "shill" since our last mod meeting

[23:27] <@Nacht_> but I mightve been too heavyhanded on stopping derailment

[23:28] <@Nacht_> so Ill have to watch myself in the future on derailing

01[23:28] <Tryptamine566> well, I worry that it gradually causes people to become over reliant on mods to do the critical thinking for them

01[23:28] <Tryptamine566> instead of asking themselves 'is this guy making a credible argument?' they just report it and wait for us to decide for them

01[23:29] <Tryptamine566> that shouldn't be what /pol/ is about, I think

[23:29] <@Nacht_> Hmm, so lets say, we only ban/delete for derailing if theyre derailing with something that is completely unrelated to the topic?

[23:29] <@Nacht_> you think that would work?

01[23:29] <Tryptamine566> that sounds good, though in that case we could also call it 'spam'

[23:30] <@Nacht_> yeah, I suppose. people might think we're just using "derailment" as arbitry "Im deleting what I disagree with" type biases if we use it too often

[23:30] <@Nacht_> so spam would be better in many cases

[23:30] <@Nacht_> as for the thread

[23:32] <@Nacht_> I would say something along the lines of "Weve noticed a lot of arguments end with shill accusations, and noticed in many of these cases, neither side is a shill. We'd like to remind that not every opinion you disagree with is a shill, and often times making shill accusations is worse than the argument you're responding to."

[23:34] <@Nacht_> "shill accusations can derail threads with much more efficiency than bait posts. If you see a post that you suspect of being a shill, instead of making that assumption, try making logical arguments, and if they can't refute your arguments but still continue to post their side, it's better if you just hide them rather than make accusations"

[23:35] <@Nacht_> should say "it's better if you just hide and report them rather than make accusations, but don't expect us to remove opinions you disagree with for you"

01[23:36] <Tryptamine566> Hmm, sounds good, I'll write something up

[23:36] <@Nacht_> Im sure you can word that in a better way than I can, but you get the gist of what Im saying

01[23:44] <Tryptamine566> haha shit, I'm trying to write this out but I think my frustration is coming through a bit

[23:45] <@Nacht_> contain your spaghetti, we dont need to add fuel to the "mods are autistic" fires :l

01[23:47] <Tryptamine566> lol

01[23:47] <Tryptamine566> don't worry

01[23:47] <Tryptamine566> I won't post anything until it's ready

[23:48] <@Nacht_> post text in here when you finish, Ill proofread/make suggestions if needed

Session Time: Thu Mar 26 00:00:00 2015

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> Hey guys,

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> Another vol and I have decided to get together to make a public service announcement!

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> As I'm sure you've all noticed, a fair number (maybe 20%?) of the posts on /pol/ currently consist of people accusing each other of being shills, of working for [X]IDF, or of otherwise having a malicious agenda of some type or another. We just wanted to say that in the vast majority of cases where this happens, neither person is actually a shill: they are just two regular anons pointing their fingers at each other. Remember that /pol/ contains a large diversity of political beliefs (Libertarians, NatSocs, Neoreactionaries, Paleocons, Theocrats, Moderates, and even the occasional Liberal), and not everyone who posts a dissenting or "unorthodox" opinion is doing so out of malice.

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> By constantly calling each other shills like this, and by sageing posts you don't like without actually adding any meaningful content to the thread you're posting in, you run the risk of doing the shills' work for them: doing so derails the board, blocks meaningful discussion, and makes the board less informative and interesting in general. Even if the person you're discussing things with turns out to be an actual shill, they will not care if you call him out. A genuine shill would be well-trained in how to deal with a regular user calling him a shill. If you suspect something is off about a user, it is far, far better to either ignore him or refute him with solid evidence and reasoning, rather than just saying "you're a shill!"

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> By the way, a note about the Cointelpro sticky: As the mod who originally posted it a few months back, I meant for it to be a general guide for how to think critically about the posts you see on /pol/ and use your better judgement in deciding which posts to believe. I never meant to instigate a witch hunt, and I am sorry if that wasn't clear from the beginning. An environment where nobody trusts each other enough to listen to each other's ideas anymore is exactly the type of thing that /pol/'s detractors would like, so don't give them that victory.

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> So in the next thread you visit, keep those things in mind, and do your best to make /pol/ as good of a board as possible!

01[00:12] <Tryptamine566> sorry that took so long

[00:17] <@Nacht_> That looks good

[00:17] <@Nacht_> No real suggestions

01[00:17] <Tryptamine566> ok cool! I'll post it then

01[00:19] <Tryptamine566> https://8ch.net/mod.php?/pol/res/1561380.html

01[00:23] <Tryptamine566> w-what if we stickied it?

[00:25] <@Nacht_> sticky only if it cant stay bumped for more than a few hours

[00:25] <@Nacht_> Im writing up a response that will bump atm

[00:25] <@Nacht_> imo

01[00:25] <Tryptamine566> kk sounds good

[00:33] <@Nacht_> If thread doesn't stay bumped, Id say sticky for one day

[00:34] <@Nacht_> speaking of stickies, has doorways talked to you about his trip?

01[00:35] <Tryptamine566> yeah

01[00:35] <Tryptamine566> he might be moving soon, right?

[00:42] <@Nacht_> hes looking at houses on his trip

[00:43] <@Nacht_> so Id think hes getting ready to

01[01:00] <Tryptamine566> The thread seems to be doing well

[01:07] <@Nacht_> yeah Im glad were getting reasonable discussion

[01:08] <@Nacht_> Ive noticed that meta threads on /pol/ tend to be much less… hostile

[01:08] <@Nacht_> compared to what we see on the metaboard all the time

01[01:29] <Tryptamine566> Meta boards always seem to attract the most extreme, outraged people possible

01[01:29] <Tryptamine566> hell, look at /meta/ itself

[01:45] <@Nacht_> yep, been the same since /q/ on 4chan

[01:46] <@Nacht_> I doubt moot knew what he was in for when he made that board

01[02:12] <Tryptamine566> I was so naive when I made /polmeta/

01[02:13] <Tryptamine566> I thought we might get threads like "let's raise the number of images you can attach per post!".

01[02:13] <Tryptamine566> But it's all just modhate and drama ;__;

01[02:25] <Tryptamine566> seeing all these positive responses to the thread is really surprising in a good way, I was worried that people didn't value free speech as much anymore (based on some of the reports we've been getting in the report queue). But now I think the majority of the board really does want it to have a clash of ideas like it used to.

[02:59] <@Nacht_> Im just glad were not getting bombarded with 'MODS = FAGS'

02[03:03] * @Nacht_ () Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

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03[03:05] * TriviaX sets mode: +o Nacht_

01[03:16] <Tryptamine566> I actually saw a couple of 'MODS = GODS'

01[03:16] <Tryptamine566> feels good man

[03:25] <@Nacht_> ikr

[03:26] <@Nacht_> MODS = GODS posts are the true hotpockets

01[03:33] <Tryptamine566> lol

01[04:02] <Tryptamine566> alright I'm gonna go to sleep

01[04:02] <Tryptamine566> see you around

02[11:31] * @Nacht_ () Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

02[14:02] * Disconnected

Session Close: Thu Mar 26 14:02:24 2015

Hotwheels approves of more leniant moderation but encourages the /pol/ moderators to buddy up to us so I don't know

03[01:56] * reports () has joined #8chan-pol

01[01:56] <Tryptamine566> h-hi

[01:56] <@copypaste> .q

[01:56] <@Nacht_> does it send a message every time a new report comes in?

01[01:56] <Tryptamine566> hey hotwheels

[01:56] <@copypaste> yes

[01:57] <@copypaste> hi

01[01:57] <Tryptamine566> any t-thoughts on all this?

[01:57] <@Nacht_> hmm, maybe itd be better to have a new seperate channel for it

[01:57] <@copypaste> i didn't read it

[01:57] <@copypaste> just came here to ask about the reports thing

[01:57] <@Nacht_> so it doesnt spam reports during conversations

01[01:57] <Tryptamine566> cool feature

[01:57] <@Nacht_> we basically want to go back to first exodus moderation

01[01:58] <Tryptamine566> pol is going back to lenient moderation btw

[01:58] <@copypaste> glad to hear it (´･ω･`)

01[01:58] <Tryptamine566> or at least thats the plan

01[01:58] <Tryptamine566> yeah

[01:58] <@copypaste> you could do like /v/ does and link to /svidya/ (your /svidya/ is /polpol/)

[01:58] <@Nacht_> ban only spam, pure off-topic, flooding

01[01:59] <Tryptamine566> yeah

01[01:59] <Tryptamine566> how does that sound, hotwheels?

[01:59] <@copypaste> i like it

[01:59] <@copypaste> maybe the /int/ threads will stop

[01:59] <@copypaste> lol

01[01:59] <Tryptamine566> lol I really think it will die down

[01:59] <@Nacht_> me and trypt talked to /int/ a lot earlier

01[01:59] <Tryptamine566> those types of things tend not to last forever

[01:59] <@Nacht_> I think theyre mostly satisfied

[01:59] <@copypaste> cool

[02:00] <@copypaste> i like /int/. lowcard owns it, the first global volunteer on 8chan, kek

[02:00] <@copypaste> so i am biased

[02:00] <@copypaste> ( ≖‿≖)

01[02:00] <Tryptamine566> it's a good board

01[02:00] <Tryptamine566> once you learn how it works

[02:00] <@Nacht_> culture shock, I guess

[02:00] <@Nacht_> once you stop trying to be serious its better

01[02:00] <Tryptamine566> it's pure *chan culture

>>15528

I've seen whiny /int/ morons talking about this supposed chan culture on /meta/ and /operate/ a bit. I wonder if it's Trip himself.

Whines about /polpol/ a bit

[02:09] <@Nacht_> lol now the /polpol/ fags started proxying to agree with themselves in that earlier thread

01[02:09] <Tryptamine566> haha really?

[02:09] <@Nacht_> check the last 2 replies

01[02:09] <Tryptamine566> oh lol

01[02:10] <Tryptamine566> looks like they finally got a 51st UIP on their board too

01[02:10] <Tryptamine566> versus 3000 for /pol/

[02:10] <@copypaste> lol

[02:10] <@Nacht_> hypocrites, immediately after claiming I was proxying

[02:10] <@copypaste> of course

[02:10] <@copypaste> guilty conscience

01[02:10] <Tryptamine566> also ironic that they "shill" like that when they claim everyone else is a shill

01[02:11] <Tryptamine566> *for lack of a better word

01[02:11] <Tryptamine566> "shill" has basically lost all meaning at this point anyway, the way it's been overused

/pol/ mods lie to themselves claiming that they aren't trying to reshape the board culture

[07:52] <@Nacht_> are we still considering /fringe/ to be off-topic

[07:52] <~faggetttss> like literally, anime spam and no politics

[07:52] <@Nacht_> this one is aliens

[07:52] <~faggetttss> honestly, i'd leave it

[07:52] <~faggetttss> he tries to justify it with politics

01[07:52] <Tryptamine566> I think that's ok

[07:52] <@Nacht_> fair enough

01[07:53] <Tryptamine566> it's just if it's completely unrelated to politics at all

01[07:53] <Tryptamine566> that we should move in

[07:53] <~faggetttss> ye

[07:54] <~faggetttss> like, the /pol/ culture will go where it wants to with or without us

01[07:54] <Tryptamine566> exactly

01[07:54] <Tryptamine566> we shouldn't really try to control it

[07:54] <~faggetttss> we're just here for spam and raids and off topic

[07:54] <@Nacht_> also, I think someone reported the thread archives sticky with as an archive request

[07:54] <@Nacht_> all of my wat

[07:54] <~faggetttss> who is doing the archives again?

01[07:54] <Tryptamine566> trying to control /pol/ culture too much is part of the reason that we've lost half our users since December I think

It's just awful to try to keep trip and avatarfagging shit stirrers off your board

[08:27] <@Nacht_> That didnt take long, the guy who OPed all the /polpol/ shilling responded with "Fuck off retard"

[08:28] <~faggetttss> all they want to do is stir up shit

[08:28] <~faggetttss> we cant feed the trolls

01[08:29] <Tryptamine566> yeah don't take that kind of thing to heart

[08:30] <@Nacht_> oh I know, that guy in particular just cares about swindling as many people as he can into /polpol/

01[08:30] <Tryptamine566> man, some people are really blowing things out of proportion

01[08:31] <Tryptamine566> It's like "let's have more lenient moderation for X, Y, and Z reasons" becomes "I am a shill that wants to destroy /pol/" in their minds

[08:31] <~faggetttss> or they just do it to try to get a rise out of the vols

01[08:31] <Tryptamine566> true

[08:31] <@Nacht_> that was the same guy that wanted to ban on sight rach permanently

[08:32] <@Nacht_> like banning anyone on sight is ever a good idea

01[08:32] <Tryptamine566> >2015 >not permabanning people because they trigger you

01[08:32] <Tryptamine566> I mean if rach breaks the rules sure, but banning someone just because they have a certain political stance is terrible

[13:28] <~faggetttss> get the fuck in here Tryptamine566 if you're on

01[13:57] <Tryptamine566> hey, just woke up

01[13:57] <Tryptamine566> what's up?

[13:57] <~faggetttss> what the fuck are you doing

[13:58] <~faggetttss> https://8ch.net/int/res/187533.html

01[13:58] <Tryptamine566> I've been asleep since 8:30 dude

01[13:58] <Tryptamine566> that's someone else

[13:59] <~faggetttss> explain

[13:59] <~faggetttss> how did anyone get my irc nick

01[14:00] <Tryptamine566> I have absolutely no idea

01[14:01] <Tryptamine566> I've never talked about you anywhere outside of here

[14:01] <~faggetttss> ok

01[14:01] <Tryptamine566> could be the guy nacht invited in?

[14:01] <~faggetttss> it must be Somanyanons then

[14:03] <~faggetttss> fucking idiots

01[14:03] <Tryptamine566> that makes sense

01[14:03] <Tryptamine566> fucking /int/ people

[14:03] <~faggetttss> fuck this im done for the rest of the day

[14:08] <@Nacht_> wake up

[14:09] <@Nacht_> find out people are now resorting to false flagging as mods in int

[14:09] <@Nacht_> good times, the autism never ends

[14:10] <~faggetttss> that's why i try to keep my username and irc nick in regards to /pol/ close to my chest

01[14:11] <Tryptamine566> good thinking

01[14:11] <Tryptamine566> I haven't told anyone my IRC handle recently, I wonder how soma got it

[14:15] <~faggetttss> because copypaste dropped our nicks in another staff channel

[14:23] <~faggetttss> We need to make a wordfilter for /polpol/

01[14:24] <Tryptamine566> hey, so: https://8ch.net/mod.php?/polmeta/res/6862.html

01[14:25] <Tryptamine566> it seems like people are complaining about ban&delete on some threads related to whats going on today?

[14:25] <~faggetttss> i've been blowing out all /polpol/ shilling

[14:25] <@Nacht_> ./polpol/ spammer would just use it as fuel again (wordfilter)

[14:25] <~faggetttss> they are trying to drive user to /polpol/

[14:25] <~faggetttss> *users

01[14:25] <Tryptamine566> I kind of think banning the /polpol/ people is fuelling paranoia, what I would do is lock duplicates and redirect

[14:26] <~faggetttss> well i'm done for a bit

01[14:26] <Tryptamine566> if they spam the threads, ban for that too

01[14:26] <Tryptamine566> fair enough

01[14:26] <Tryptamine566> sorry you were dragged into all of this

[14:26] <~faggetttss> and i stand by every one of my B&D today

01[16:49] <Tryptamine566> you know this has got me thinking, I kind of wonder how many conspiracy theories are kind of like what's happening on /pol/ right now, where people make up things that sound vaguely plausible about people in high positions that they don't like, and spam them until people accept that they're true?

Trypt and faggettssss cream themselves over PPH. Isn't faggot the current BO? I wonder if he's kicking himself for that now

01[15:32] <&Tryptamine566> holy fuck /pol/ is sat 1,200 PPH

01[15:32] <&Tryptamine566> hey

01[15:33] <&Tryptamine566> there's not even a shitstorm going on right now, either

[15:42] <~faggetttss> wait 1200?

[15:42] <~faggetttss> jesus

01[15:43] <&Tryptamine566> yup

01[15:43] <&Tryptamine566> fastest it's ever been

01[15:43] <&Tryptamine566> ever

[15:43] <~faggetttss> holy

[15:43] <~faggetttss> fuck

[15:43] <~faggetttss> god

[15:43] <~faggetttss> shitting

[15:43] <~faggetttss> damn

[15:43] <~faggetttss> ive been on all day too

01[15:43] <&Tryptamine566> it's not even peak hours on 8chan lol

[15:43] <~faggetttss> wew

01[15:56] <&Tryptamine566> >people reporting posts they disagree with as 'shitposting'

[15:57] <~faggetttss> yes

[15:57] <~faggetttss> but that's easy to mod

[15:57] <~faggetttss> :^)

06[15:57] * ~faggetttss dismisses

01[15:57] <&Tryptamine566> :^)

[15:57] <~faggetttss> damn son

[15:57] <~faggetttss> 1219

[15:57] <~faggetttss> like

[15:58] <~faggetttss> wew

[15:58] <~faggetttss> polpol

[15:58] <~faggetttss> 45

[15:58] <~faggetttss> :^)

[16:00] <~faggetttss> leftypol

[16:00] <~faggetttss> 64

[16:00] <~faggetttss> :^)

01[16:04] <&Tryptamine566> lol

01[16:04] <&Tryptamine566> >muh pissed-off 3% of the userbase

01[16:05] <&Tryptamine566> did you ever get a chance to look at that archived thread I posted btw?

01[16:05] <&Tryptamine566> anti-free speech people got BTFO harder than I've ever seen

[16:07] <~faggetttss> yes i looked at it

[16:07] <~faggetttss> the thread was still up

[18:58] <~faggetttss> goddamn it, down to 500 again

01[19:15] <&Tryptamine566> ahh, it was pretty cool that we broke a record though

[19:15] <~faggetttss> yup

[19:15] <~faggetttss> i want to hit 2000 pph next

01[19:15] <&Tryptamine566> I think something important is happening in Britain with Nigel Farage

01[19:15] <&Tryptamine566> that's why we had the spike

[19:15] <~faggetttss> yeah it was a live stream

01[19:16] <&Tryptamine566> 2000 would be nuts

01[19:16] <&Tryptamine566> That would be pretty cool

01[20:02] <&Tryptamine566> if int likes us, they will treat the board with respect and it makes raids less likely

>>15537

Oh forgot the next bit

[20:02] <~faggetttss> we could raid other boards

[20:02] <~faggetttss> together

01[20:02] <&Tryptamine566> that would be pretty fucking cool actually

[20:02] <~faggetttss> yea

[20:05] <~faggetttss> like, maybe in the future we could raid /polpol/ and shit up the entire board

[20:05] <~faggetttss> if they stay relevant that is

>you can't run from us goy, we'll follow you!

Well at least triptamine fucked off.

It really was the same Nacht. And I remember him speaking about all the wonders of facism.

I guess it goes to show you. Never trust an a avatarfag. Especially one with an avatar from Something Awful tier weebshit.

>>15523

This is fucking ridiculous.

Are you going to post this on normal /pol/?

You don't have to advertise, but I think they should probably see this shit

How do faggots like this always get into positions of power? It happens way too often+

>>15546

I don't think /pol/ would care at all.

maybe 2-3months ago when the majority of good posters we're still there.

>>15559

were*

>>15559

Did the majority good posters abandon 8chan entirely or did the come here? Someone mentioned that /polpol/ was talking about /pol/ and I thought I'd see what it was. All I can say is that those logs are rather irritating. There are, I think, two gentlemen that are probably the best of /pol/ (I'm not really that great). The board seems fine at the moment, though.

>>15573

I think that the majority of good posters left 8chan for good, a few of them migrated to here, but we didn't get a huge influx of people. maybe some of them came here just to lurk since we're only having 19 Uips atm.

>>15576

Then where did they go?

>>15577

I don't have the slightests clue. but my best guess is https://www.stormfront.org/forum/ or http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/

>>15578

forgot to mention, that i'm not trying to advertise other sites. most of them are shit-tier. full of edgy 14 year olds rebelling against their parents trying to be become neo-nazis.

>>15579

pol going to storm or reddit? just doesn't sound right.

I really miss the minds and personalities that were on halftran and then here on the first exodus, but for the most part they are gone.

We use to get things done. This new /pol/ is as bad as reddit and stormfront. Sad times, but I'm sure those in opposition are happy.

I wish this place wasn't so dead. I don't understand why the mods/vols on 8/pol/ are always so shit. They ignore all legitimate reports, but then go and delete good threads for no reason. I really wonder who they are??? Total lack of duty and discretion, they do the opposite of what should be done in every case. Fucking terrible and I just don't know /pol/ can never seem to get decent mods. I really think they work for the enemy

>>15620

The thing is, people still post there despite the mods.

>>15585

not FBI but aren't allot of them on IRC now?

>>15622

could be…

I haven't used IRC for at least ten years now and I don't think I'll go back.

>>15620

I think now they should rename /pol/ to /trump/ since the entire board has now become a shill board for Israel loving trump.

“We love Israel. We will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1,000 percent. It will be there forever.”

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/02/06/donald-trump-on-jewish-daughter-ivanka-this-wasnt-in-the-plan-but-im-very-glad-it-happened-video/

It makes you wonder who the mods really are there.

>>15654

/pol/ is so starved for conservative politicians that they're willing to suck the dick of any "mainstream" candidate that supports at least some of their views.

Watch them be surprised when they get sold out.

>>15686

>Here is him saying it

I meant to add pic-related, last post.

>>14354

stopping by to say:

/Pol/ is becoming disgusting.

>>15690

Disgusting as in full of shit, or disgusting as in full of degenerates?

>>15690

So's every other board. Might sound like I'm getting triggered here, but the commie SJWs from /leftypol/ are everywhere these days and they're fast turning most of the top boards into reddit.

I don't want to seem defeatist, but I have to wonder what's going on. Political discourse on 8chan has not only decreased dramatically in quality (a complete absence of citations is fairly common), it's also swung from somewhat "right" (including NS) to hard-left and almost entirely feels-based. That, combined with the inevitable revision of history (especially related to /pol/), makes me think that we'll get into 4chan hotpocket territory within a year.

>>15696

I'm upset about about /n/.

Yeah there were liberals, but we could blow them the fuck out. It looked like it could be an alternative to /pol/.

Now? Dead.

>>15660

>Watch them be surprised when they get sold out.

Got that Romney picture of anon's reactions after he lost?

>>14376

yup and they will all pour into /polpol/ when they decide the board is shit

>>15820

I dunno, somebody is spreading the idea that this board was created on April 1st by /intl/, and that disinfo seems to be catching on

>>15854

/intl/ and the pol vols have been spreading that bullshit since April 1st

>>15854

An absolutely retarded lie since we still have threads from December. If you see it slap it down

>>15697

>I'm upset about about /n/

I'm upset about being reminded that it exists, with the news feed restored on the front page. Day in, day out, it's the same poison and copypaste giving them an audience because he can't bear to see "his" /new/ die is pathetic.

The funny thing is that he's abandoned another lolberg principle by doing so, that of competition and the free market.