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344f48 No.14518

how does /polpol/ feel about the fact that their board is, in a sense, pretty antithetical to imageboard culture as a whole?

Pic related is a typical thread on 4chan circa 2005; and I'm not just talking about /b/ either: this type of thing happened on every board to a certain degree. The same applies to every imageboard that has existed up to this point, japanese ones included. Yes, it is true that serious discussions occurred, but the key difference is that they were never mandated. People back then had a common understanding about the very nature and structure of imageboards that seems to be lacking today: the anonymity of places like 4chan, coupled with the fact that every post has equal visibility regardless of how liked or disliked it is by the community, means that taking imageboards seriously is pure folly.

Sites like 4chan and 8chan were designed from the ground up to have a fairly relaxed atmosphere. The best analogy I can come up with is that seriously organizing a legitimate political movement on an imageboard is kind of like to organizing a movement by getting a bunch of people to communicate via writing on the walls of bathroom stalls around the world: the very fact that you're here, of all places, automatically delegitimizes your political movement from the start, and you're fighting an uphill battle against the very structure of the site itself, not to mention the userbase. Remember that you share this site with bronies, furfags, pedophiles, communists, and otakus.

A lot of you guys are stormfront users, right? I think a site like Stormfront (or Ironmarch, or /r/whiterights) is a much better place for you to organize. Consider this: Stormfront/Ironmarch have accounts, so you can weed out any 'shills' pretty easily. It has the advantage of being founded specifically to host far-right ideas: if you dislike anime, you probably won't see it there. Posts stay up much longer because of the 'forum' format, which is somewhat different from imageboards. You have your very own site, where any attempts to organize will be ten times more effective than they could ever be on 8chan.

I understand why you might want to stay in this hostile territory and convert others, but why organize here? It seems counterproductive to me.

da8e1e No.14523

>A lot of you guys are stormfront users, right?

No. We come from imageboards (mostly 4chan), but saw the ability to create our own boards on 8chan as a chance to have more in-depth conversations or at least move away from the hivemind memes and develop our own.

Who the fuck are you and why do you insist on imposing some orthodoxy on every board? Why does every board have to have the same exact culture? Why even bother allowing new boards to be created if they all must share anime posting and the same memes and style? Why do you even care?

There's nothing about imageboards that necessarily requires anime shitposting except for your autistic campaign to force compliance. And even that seems to have only taken off in 2015. Maybe you're the newfag? Where did you come from, SA?

Wow, two can play this game


f97f72 No.14532

File: 1431313463133.png (65.9 KB, 311x345, 311:345, DISDAIN.png)

>8chan

>organized

We are not social parasites like you. We do not organize because there is no need. We share ideas and information. We argue. We create OC. All this filters into the wider world as the newfags steal our jokes and repeat them on plebbit or whatever the fuck the kids use these days.

You measure success in the number of idiots wearing your brand. We do not have brands. We piss on identity.

We are anonymous.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Expect us.


cec0b5 No.14535

>>14532

>We do not organize because there is no need

Explain gamergate.

Explain chanology.

Explain why you are a confused newfag.


2ece54 No.14539

>>14535

hey anon its not the right board to call each other newfag or something of that kind, please jsut goi argue about this nonsense somewhere else.


53d316 No.14542

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>>14518

>A lot of you guys are stormfront users, right? I think a site like Stormfront (or Ironmarch, or /r/whiterights) is a much better place for you to organize.

You do realise that there are pretty much sites for absolutely everything. By your own logic /v/ shouldn't exist, because there are more than enough gaming sites or forums.

/tech/ shouldn't exists because there are countless technology sites and forums.

/wx/ shouldn't exists because there are porn sites.

Just repeat what I said about with absolutely every board. Following your own logic, 4/8chan as a whole shouldn't exist.

Please think a bit more before posting next time. If you want just to shitpost, go to /b/ or /pol/, if you are ok with using your brain a little, think before posting and you're welcome , ok :) ?


325cb3 No.14546

I like it better here than Stormfront or Reddit.

We're not here to organize the /polpol/ movement. We're here to discuss right-wing ideology.


82673d No.14547

>>14546

I think that's the most dangerous thing to a lot of people right now. A real place to discuss right-wing politics and right wing ideology. Not useless philisophical navel gazing, not pathetic neocon bullshit. Real, pertinent stuff with value and application.


edf78c No.14552

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>>14547

>Discussion is dangerous

You fucking what. Maybe its the lack of coffee or stimulants in general, but did you just say right wing politics are dangerous?


82673d No.14553

>>14552

Allowing such ideologies to grow and gain a consistent image of the world unfettered by shills/spammers and site compromises would be a very dangerous thing for a lot of different interests. The jews, the marxists and the hordes of "new world interests" (for these people can not be accurately labeled) are severely threatened by the potential of such places forming. Which is why the spirit of /pol/ has been dogged at every turn, and so much resources and lawmaking have gone into internet and narrative control these past years.


cba30a No.14560

File: 1431406612230.png (104.85 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, pol vision.png)

>>14552

Of course. We are not here organising some radical political movement, we are here discussing the merits and nuances of right-wing thought.

Why do we make home the backwater piss end of the internet?

Why are we legislated against?

Why are we blown into obscurity by the massive forces of multinationals, adsense and mass media?

Why is there no overwhelmingly uncontestable stance made against us to send us all home in one fell swoop, and instead we have to deal with underhanded tactics and subversion eating away at our discussive capacity?

It's because we're dangerous, anon. This here, this unmolested thought and discourse of such depth and detail that encourages removal from the status quo - this is the achilles heel to whichever term you'd like to use for the powers that be.


edf78c No.14565

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>>14560

>>14553

You both are right. I apologize. For some reason I got completely different viewpoint out of the original quoted viewpoint. Thanks for clearing my clouded view.

At the same time in regards to 14560, the fact that I like to read and very rarely partake in these discussions has probably made me on several watchlists. That terrifies me to be honest. I'm probably one of the most non-violent people around yet I could be labeled a terrorist, having my rights taken away and then paraded around on the news as some sick joke.


1e30bc No.14567

>>14518

I think it's time to accept that your preconceived notions of what imageboards are supposed to be are dead. You said it yourself. That pic is from 10 years ago. Things change and maybe it's time for you to move on.


b59a4d No.14577

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>>14518

As a former reddit user brought into board culture on the first day of GG, I can offer my perspective of why polpol is necessary.

I don't play videogames, nor do I own a television. For a period of time, I erroneously believed that FB, Twitter, Reddit, ect were the only real places for discussion. I believed that boards were the most evil place on the internet, and should be avoided at all costs. This was reinforced by the handful of people I saw or met who publicly spoke with pride about being halfchan users. Their dress, lingo, and mannerisms indicated to me that everything I'd heard about boards was true.

On the first day of GG, when the thread with 10,000 comments was nuked, I recognized for the first time how I was being lied to about supposed free speech on reddit. This led me to greater realizations of the level of censorship and control being exercised by many so called, avenues of free speech.

Despite my lack of understanding of how board culture worked, I soon concluded that halfchan was likely the only place left for true free speech. My values are arranged where freedom of thought and speech are my paramount concern. This led me to the boards.

Within a short amount of time the censorship reached halfchan and I again moved, to fullchan. Yet another short time later, I had grown tired of the endless childishness of GG. What I hadn't tired of, was the taboo and thoughtful discussions that, more often than not, had been planted by /pol/

As I drifted from GG, I washed up on the challenging shores of /pol/ where I lurked for months. The topics shocked me, angered me, surprised me, and made me think in perspectives I had never considered.

For whatever the reasons, pol declined in quality. Polpol picked up the mantle and created a space largely free from the trash. And while pol still has value and still has merit, the overall quality in polpol is unmatched.

I don't agree with polpol or pol in some things, but I crave the challenge of exposing myself to the "forbidden" knowledge that sadly only exists here. As our culture is homogenized into easily consumable garbage, polpol serves a gourmet meal made of exotic ingredients.

It may be slow. It may be scary. You may not always like its taste. But polpol will always serve substantive mindfood unavailable anywhere else.

Perhaps you can only handle it occasionally. Perhaps you eat here everyday.

It doesn't matter.

Polpol is one of the last places free of thought control. That matters. It matters far more than the currency of identity you seemingly invest in.

Go push your storm-dentity elsewhere, because I am a nobody, and I intend to remain so.


d06f9b No.14578

>>14518

Never been to stormfront in my life. From what I've read it's neo nazi.

A lot of us use to frequent old /pol/ of halftran. Being anonymous still allows for the best discussion even if that discussion is wading in troll filth. You don't have a history tied to your posts so your ideas stand or fall by themselves.

There is none of the "well joe says it's ok and he's our resident expert" bullshit. Being anon makes everyones opinion count.

The people who are against free speech took control of cuckchan and they are always pissing all over 8Chan or trying to shut it down. You don't see sites like stormfromt suffering as much as this one does. Now think about why.


edf78c No.14589

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>>14577

It's users like you that make me happy for our future as a board. I just wish more had the same level of thinking of you. I've recently been casting my net wide and exploring various sites. I don't ever post, but I read to "listen to the wind" so to speak. You are correct on the mindfood being here, nothing else I have found can compare.

>>14578

Honestly the amount of attempts that I've seen used against 8chan is absolutely insane. There is a concentrated effort to shut down or at least divert 8chan by multiple groups. God forbid hotwheels was in the USA. He would have been black bagged or physically harmed already.


b42370 No.14616

Just because faggots posted on /b/ 10 years ago doesn't mean we are obligated to be faggots. 10 years ago SJW on the Internet didn't exist and even mainstream liberals were against gay marriage.


596333 No.14628

I think ultimately /polpol/ is doomed to obscurity.

Let's say I can type 20 words per minute, and the time spent on interacting with the interface is negligible.

In one minute, I can easily make about 5 shitposts at 4 words each. Meanwhile, to make a post like OP, which is about half the maximum reply length, I'd need about 20 minutes. So in the time OP makes one decent post, I could make 100 times as many shitposts.

Literally 100 times as much. Now consider that in reality it's more like 1,000 to 100,000 times as much, because shitposts tend to use shorter words and do not require as much thought (or preparatory research, in the case of extreme effort posts).

For both a serious board and a meme cesspool board to be on the top boards list, you need 1000x as many people putting effort into the serious board. Yet we know that it is quite the opposite, there are generally about 0.1x to 0.01x as many people putting effort into a board as there are le funny memes posters at any given time.

An individual board is also subject to these rules, which is why shitty threads will always rise to the top while quality discussion sinks to the last page like a rock. This can be prevented by vigilant moderator action, eg. /polpol/. If the moderator ever lets up, the board goes to shit (see /pol/ this winter/spring).

Same goes for the site. If you don't want top boards to be shit, the only thing that can be done is for HW and co to start removing shit boards that have low average post quality. Maybe they can even go by average length of all posts on the board.


8ea58b No.14638

>>14518

>A lot of you guys are stormfront users, right?

nice shitpost

>but why organize here? It seems counterproductive to me.

>you're fighting an uphill battle against the very structure of the site itself, not to mention the userbase. Remember that you share this site with bronies, furfags, pedophiles, communists, and otakus.

thats why we have pol pol and we arent on b

are you shitposting, why yes you are


f08707 No.14645

>Pic related is a typical thread on 4chan circa 2005

>posts a /b/ thread

You're either wearing nostalgia goggles or just a plain old newfag if you think that thread was indicative of 4chan as a whole back then.

My money is on the latter.


2837a2 No.14651

>>14518

We can at best organize raids and do some infographics, but we can't organise on the real life level, obviously, because we come from different countries. It's very hard to organize, for example, a fascist militia in real life. Hell, even the natsoc party was financed by some top players.

I'm not a natsoc but I'm becoming sympathetic towards it because it seems that only fascism stands a chance today to overthrow democracy. Something like Franco's Spain and Salazar's Portugal would be nice.


82673d No.14653

>>14651

What non-democratic system would you prefer?


2837a2 No.14657

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>>14653

I'm primarily a monarchist but I don't think there are enough monarchists to actually make a difference. So I think that fascism is realistically more able to do it because more people would be ready to embrace it. So if a monarchy isn't possible, then something like Salazar's Portugal or Franco's Spain would be good.




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