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American Nationalism Anonymous 06/05/15 (Fri) 07:23:21 81962b No.15265

>Leftists pretend that America is a proposition nation and always has been. By “proposition nation” they mean that an American identity depends on a profession of and loyalty to a body of ideas or principles. This is opposed to the idea of American identity as depending on ethnicity.

>President George W. Bush succinctly described the proposition nation thusly: "America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens.

>Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them; and every immigrant, by embracing these ideals, makes our country more, not less, American." Gross. This understanding of American identity is historically tendentious and just plain wrong. Unfortunately, many on the alt-right accept it as true.

>American identity has always been synonymous with white, mostly Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture and history. British identity was at the heart of the American Revolution, which was fought in defense of the traditional rights of British men, as the colonists understood them.

>The U.S. did assimilate whites from other parts of Europe, but their membership, acceptance, and success in American society was dependent on their strictly assimilating into Anglo-American culture.

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Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 19:46:11 4969f3 No.15330

Well that's because the blood of a nation is directly proportional to the body of ideals that the nation puts forth. The principles put forth in the Constitution and declaration of independence, and everything that represents the original American spirit would not have occurred had the colonies been occupied by slavics or frenchmen or purebred chinese. The second the American people started to lose cohesion, divided into african vote and italian vote and women's vote and so on and so forth, when the american populace became splintered into different identity groups and areas, democracy started to fail. Now, the nation is divided into a million little cliques and a few dozen little ethnicities, democracy is almost impossible and outside forces have the perfect ground for manipulation.

Anonymous 06/18/15 (Thu) 18:00:12 6d056a No.15453

>>15265

You people do realize that this is true of any nation, right ?

Being a citizen of a country should mean belonging to that country's culture, speaking that country's language, sharing the same ideals etc…

Which, of course, is why assimilation is so hard, and why it should be hard. Immigration should be a matter of accepting to leave your former identity behind to become a member of your new nation.

I don't think claiming that all immigrants should give up on their culture, be forced to use a new language and accept our ideals as a condition of their moving into my country is excessively leftist of me : it's just how nations are built.

The nation of France, which became one of the first real european "nations" since the fall of Rome, did so when the French kings forced first their nobility, and then the general population, to speak french and act french, and leave behind their local cultures. It was a hard-fought battle, lasting for several centuries, and it was illegal to speak many languages in French schools up until recently.

That's how you build a nation, not by having people who just share the same blood, otherwise select pockets of France, the UK and Sicily would be danish citizens.

What you should be angry against leftists for, is their claiming, on the contrary, that a citizenship is just a piece of paper, and that people don't need to "fit in" to become citizens. They have taken the concept of "proposition nation", and nation in general, and deprived it of its meaning.

If nations were based on blood and not ideals, the US would have had no business becoming independant.