/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

Surprise, surprise. Kebab uses this opportunity of positive kikenews PR to bombard PKK instead of ISIS.

http://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/

>The Turkish PM’s office has said their fighter jets bombed seven militant Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) targets in Northern Iraq, AFP reported.

>Turkey also launched simultaneous ground attacks against the PKK and Islamic State in northern Syria, Reuters said, citing the PM’s office.

>The airstrikes targeted PKK warehouses, logistics points, living quarters and storage buildings, Turkish authorities said in a statement.

>The overnight air assault was the first Turkish strike against Kurds in northern Iraq since a peace deal between Ankara and the PKK separatists was announced in 2013.

>The Kurdistan Workers Party announced in its website that after last night's airstrikes and ground military attacks, the truce with Turkey has “no meaning anymore.”

http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-strikes-isil-pkk-targets-in-drive-for-safe-zone_394589.html

>The attacks on the outlawed PKK, which has waged a three-decade war against Turkey, could kill off stumbling peace talks between the group and Ankara, which were started in 2012 but have been stalled lately.

>Separately, İstanbul authorities said they would not let organisers go ahead with a peace march planned for Sunday, citing concerns about security and "dense traffic".

Turkey calls for NATO meeting to discuss security threats

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/26/car-bomb-kills-two-turkish-soldiers.html

>Turkey on Sunday called for a meeting of its NATO allies to discuss threats to its security and its airstrikes targeting Kurdish and Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) rebels.

>The move came as Turkey's state-run media reported that Turkish F-16 jets again took off from the country's southeastern Diyarbakir air base to hit Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) targets across the border in northern Iraq.

>The PKK said Saturday that the airstrikes likely spelled the end of a cease-fire announced in 2013.

>Hours before the call to convene alliance members, Turkish authorities said PKK fighters used a car bomb to target a military vehicle in the country’s southeast, killing two soldiers and wounding four others.

>NATO announced that its decision-making body, the North Atlantic Council, would convene Tuesday after Ankara invoked the alliance's Article 4, which allows member states to request a meeting if they feel their territorial integrity or security is under threat.

It's genuinely amazing just how much Turkey does this type of thing

http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-to-hold-an-incredibly-rare-emergency-meeting-2015-7

> For just the fifth time in its 66-year history, NATO ambassadors will meet in emergency session Tuesday to gauge the threat the Islamic State extremist group poses to Turkey, and the debated actions Turkish authorities are taking in response

>The extraordinary meeting at NATO headquarters was requested by Turkey under Article 4 of the treaty that founded the U.S.-led alliance, which empowers its 28 member states to seek such consultations when they consider their "territorial integrity, political independence or security" to be in jeopardy.

>According to official NATO records, there have been only four other so-called Article 4 meetings since the U.S.-led alliance was created in 1949.

Basically Turkey is invoking Article 4 in regards to Syria. This is going to be used to justify the no fly zone and most likely Turkish boots on the ground with significant US support.

And now Israel's getting their dick involved, a 40 year peace treaty has been broken, tanks are rolling past the border and into Syrian government territory. Shit, I would say, is not great.

>>16229

I can see thousands and thousands of merchants rubbing hands over this

Islamic State Blows Up Ancient Temple at Syria’s Palmyra Ruins

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/24/world/middleeast/islamic-state-blows-up-ancient-temple-at-syrias-palmyra-ruins.html?_r=0

>Islamic State militants have destroyed a temple at the ancient ruins of Palmyra in Syria, activists said on Sunday, realizing one of archaeologists’ worst fears for the 2,000-year-old Roman-era city after the extremists seized it and beheaded a local scholar.

'Israeli bombing of Syria aimed at rallying US Jews against Iran nuclear deal'

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israeli-bombing-of-Syria-aimed-at-rallying-US-Jews-against-Iran-nuclear-deal-412934

>The Israeli reprisals against targets in Syria which were launched on Thursday and Friday were a means to rally American Jewish public opinion against the Iran nuclear agreement, pro-Iranian and Hezbollah officials told Arab media over the weekend.

ISIS Allegedly Uses Chemical Weapons In Syria Attack: Report

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-allegedly-uses-chemical-weapons-syria-attack-report-2064754

>The Islamic State group was accused of using chemical weapons during an attack in Syria late Friday. ISIS fighters allegedly used a chemical agent in the battle near the besieged city of Aleppo, killing one person and wounding at least 10 others, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday.

Learn lessons from Division 30 debacle in Syria

http://www.stripes.com/learn-lessons-from-division-30-debacle-in-syria-1.364261

>America’s botched effort last month to support a Syrian moderate rebel group known as Division 30 was a chain of errors that recalls, in a small way, the 1961 Bay of Pigs fiasco.

>“We were surprised by the attack by Nusra, because we coordinated in advance with Nusra,” Abu Iskandar said. “Four months ago, Nusra showed great admiration for the training project. Nusra said … go get guns and come fight [the Islamic State group].”

And in case you're wondering why Assad still can't win in the face of such staggering incompetence

Why Arabs Lose Wars

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

>>16304

>And in case you're wondering why Assad still can't win in the face of such staggering incompetence

Even disregarding Arab cultural problems around warfare, it's simply a matter of numbers for Assad. He only has so many reliable troops, thats why Hezbollah jumping in was a huge deal, it gave him a force that could actually go on the offensive without the worry of switching sides.

Loyalist forces nearly aren't as unified as they appear to be, there's power struggles between state security and the army, and the Iranian intervention has intensified those.

This is from ynetnews so not sure how credible. Cites unnamed western diplomats

Russian jets in Syrian skies

https://archive.is/xnXgs

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html

>Russian fighter pilots are expected to begin arriving in Syria in the coming days, and will fly their Russian air force fighter jets and attack helicopters against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets within the failing state.

>According to Western diplomats, a Russian expeditionary force has already arrived in Syria and set up camp in an Assad-controlled airbase. The base is said to be in area surrounding Damascus, and will serve, for all intents and purposes, as a Russian forward operating base.

>In the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisors, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and the pilots who will operate the aircraft.

>>16442

There are also supposed to be Israeli jets in Syrian skies right now

>>16442

Yeah, it could be good news, but we have nothing more than rumors thus far.

>>16442

>>16455

The funny thing is, both of those sources are kind of shit even though "mainstream"

>>16456

RT deconfirmed what they had said, so it's either deniable ops (a la Ukraine) or bullshit.

Today I read a good comment on Zerohedge (that's rare lately)

>Yes, a new secure airfield. I believe Russia is helping Syria create a safe zone that is defensible against all attackers, and Syria will give up much land in order to be defensible. Russia will help secure the two ports, one of which is Russian naval base Tartus. Airfields must be put where they can't be attacked. Syria is looking to be smaller, a rump state with Assads supporters, christians, secular Arabs, even communists, anyone not wanting to be ISIS controlled is moving into Assad's safe zones. Russia is helping create this new, Syria.

from ZH user Jack Burton (feel I should give source)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-09/russia-expands-military-presence-syria-despite-german-french-threats?page=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_state

Anyways, that seems like a likely outcome to me. But what comes after that?

>>16513

Its not something I really see the Syrians doing, but then again I don't know how dire the situation is in terms of manpower for them. Past that it depends on how long Russia sticks on to them for geopolitical reasons and how dedicated Israel/ZOG feel about ending his reign. Even if ISIS spends the next however many years getting shitbombed in that scenario, I bet they'd still magically be able to destroy every ancient temple and piece of precious human history "somehow", whilst the kike media makes pity commentary.

Personally, I really hope it doesn't come to that. The acceptance of national destruction, the endless relying on Russian interests to avoid being instantly ground into the dirt under Israeli boot, the failure to destroy the proxy soldiers with boots on the ground. None of this sounds like a good thing for Syria.

>>16515

I'll be honest and as a western news consumer the whole thing is very opaque. I really don't know what's going on over there, most of what nations are saying they are doing doesn't make a lot sense (for example, everybody is there to fight "isis" but isis just keeps on doing their thing)

But I think the rump state idea generally makes sense even if I know it's not the end of the greater story

Interview with Assad himself, speaking to Russian journalists

https://archive.is/JMmeA

http://www.rt.com/news/315482-assad-terrorism-refugees-interview/

Clears up a lot about Syria and its current relation with other nations and ME factions, some very good quotes, and a lot of thought on the refugee crisis from the Syrian perspective.

http://waarmedia.com/english/israel-russia-agree-to-joint-mechanism-on-syria/

Well look what just came in

>>16580

>In a related development, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Tuesday that Israel would continue to operate in Syria.

>“Israel has no intention of giving up its freedom to operate in Syria and will not allow the transfer of developed weapons to [Lebanese Shia militia] Hezbollah,” Ya’alon was quoted as saying by Israeli Radio.

>The Israeli prime minister added: “It is important that all parties, including Russia, understand how Israel operates to avoid any misunderstanding.”

>>16580

So they're working together, am I reading this right?

>>16580

Diplomatic talks are simply just that; talk

it's what they do that counts, not what you see on public

>>16585

Does israeli fighter jets getting intercepted by RuAF and air defense from latakia counts as working together?

Short answer is No.

>>16583

>understand how Israel operates to avoid any misunderstanding

Yeah I'm pretty sure Putin knows exactly how they operate, if reading about Palestine and their military adventures in Lebanon back in 2006 isn't any indication

>>16455

>Russia has invaded the Ukraine

>All of Eastern Europe is shitting themselves and Russia has a very real chance of destroying NATO without firing a shot

>Russia has practically ended US supremacy in the Middle East

>Russian electronic warfare is so far ahead of the US that the US doesn't know who will get hit until the bombs drop

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/

>the US could to go back into Iraq

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/23/defense-secretary-absolutely-prepared-for-more-u-s-ground-combat-in-iraq/

>Afghanistan is being reconquered by the Taliban

https://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-taliban-leader-says-afghan-insurgency-strong-081306131.html

This has got to be the most incompetent foreign policy in US history.

>>16718

better link

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/29/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-maps.html?_r=0

>A United Nations analysis conducted in September concluded that the Taliban insurgency has spread through more of Afghanistan than at any point since 2001.

Sure is success here.