/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

>>16238

This, several years ago we had documents leaked straight from chink central.

North Korea, through all their shitmongering, has essentially been ransoming China for food stamps to feed their massively oversized army by causing international shit fits.

North Korea is no longer useful, even as a buffer state, so they'll likely just kick North Korea in the ass and if King-Kon-Kun grows a pair of testes and decides to superimpose "Best Korea" all over the lower half of the border, the fuckin Chinese will hop on that shit REAL quick.

Plus, it wouldn't really matter if they reunified seeing as how SK is it's own dystopian shitfest anyhow.

TL;DR Habbening doesn't habben or it does and passes quicker than a fart in a hurricane

>>16233

As China is becoming more western, they're giving less and less shits about N.Korea, if there's a war US and S.Korea would crush them without anyone blinking a eye.

>despite all the shitposting and happening posting thats going on over at /pol/, I doubt much will come out of this beyond some artillery exchanges.

I'm agreeing with this anon thats probably how its going to happen.

>>16256

Although nothing is going to happen. Remember that Best Korea actually has nuclear capabilities and has all its border artillery aimed at Seoul. That is the reason why nothing will happen, you can't afford to corner someone who is willing to Samsom.

>>16282

Just heard it on the news while going on vacation, that they're trying to reach new deals and negotinations have started

>>16233

A similar thing happened in 2013 when North Korea announced that it had nuclear capability. It just goes to show that they have to go as far as massing their entire army to get a reaction out of anyone these days. North Korea is just an old dog that needs to be put down. They're exactly like blacks that riot when they don't get their food stamps.

>>16282

>Best Korea actually has nuclear capabilities

Not really, they don't actually have a means to deliver a nuclear warhead, their ballistic missile tests have all been miserable failures.

>>16288

That is what they want you to think!

>>16290

I'll believe it when Seoul is turned into nuclear ash and the free peoples of South Korea are liberated from the American imperialists

Koreas resume talks as Seoul sees North Korea troop movement

https://news.yahoo.com/rival-koreas-restart-talks-pull-back-brink-now-074245428.html

>Senior officials from North and South Korea on Sunday were in their second day of marathon talks meant to pull the rivals back from the brink, even amid reports of unusual North Korean troop and submarine movement that Seoul said indicated continued battle preparation.

Japan US Military Base Explosion: Multiple Blasts Reported At United States Army Facility In Sagamihara

http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-us-military-base-explosion-multiple-blasts-reported-united-states-army-facility-2064691

>Multiple explosions hit at an American military base in Japan, local media outlets reported Sunday.

>The site, surrounded by an urban area, houses the 35th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion, as well as logistical and medical departments for the U.S. military in the region.

>Three explosions were reported on the base in April in what police said they believed was an attack carried out by a left-wing Japanese extremist group, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Perhaps the Norks have a proxy terrorist group? That is, assuming they're stupid enough to actually attack the South. If it wasn't an accident, it's probably just some anti-American group taking advantage of the saber-rattling.

Live map too

http://koreas.liveuamap.com/

>>16314

China won't go to war right now because it would kill their economy. Well that isn't the only reason but it is a huge reason.

Also yeah South Korea might distance itself from the US if it didn't have to deal with the US, but at the same time why would it leave a powerful international alliance? There's no benefit joining China over the US team at this point.

>>16319

> Its greatly over exaggerated.

Prove to me their data is real, prove to me that their stock buy-back program isn't a desperate attempt to keep this whole wizard of oz bullshit running. China might be the world's historical mercantile nation, fuck the jews on that one, but that doesn't mean that they're actually worth or are producing what they say they are.

Do you even know about their actual real estate bubble? Prices are so inflated in Beijing and Shanghai it's ridiculous, they're building homes just appear they're still building.

>But it won't effect the rural people

Yeah like the mortgage collapse didn't effect real estate prices throughout the US and all the western nations.

It's great that your argument basically boils down lol you silly tinfoiler it hasn't happened it's never going to happen. Yeah I'm sure people were wrong about the mortgage market in 2008 too.

Jesus fucking Christ have you even seen US foreclosures picking up again? We don't even have data on their foreclosures, that's fucking scary. But if you go to their real estate markets, guess what: a bunch of homes are coming on the foreclosure markets. They have a burdening debt situation, they just cut interest rates 5 times in a row, they tried buying back stock to make their stock market not collapse, and they're telling their people everything is fine keep buying.

Commodities are crashing, though China is only part of the problem. Their economy is in turmoil right now.

>But, but Zhongguo yongyuan

I'm not talking about the past, it doesn't matter if China was accelerating faster than Charlie Sheen on cocaine two years ago, or even a year ago. Right now, right the fuck now their economy is shit, any capital that is invested their, particularly foreign capital is fleeing. Let it rage on for a little while longer and the bounce off the bottom, for some Chinese companies it'd be worth buying. You've got Alibaba that's decent for a Chinese company.

But we ain't here to talk about stock picks, we're here discussing the Korean situation and I'm here right now telling you you're ignoring reality if you don't actually see economic turmoil in China. Wars cost money, for China it wouldn't increase consumer demand, it'd only help industrial demand a little bit. It'd be fucking good for oil though. China cannot afford a major war. The extent of their ability to wage war right now is throwing a tantrum in the South China Sea. Think of it this way: they won't even have the money to do all their foreign infrastructure investments right now. They got domestic shit to fix.

Exuberance in markets can turn in a day, you're equating an economic statement to the equivalent of China is going to be wiped off the map. The only thing that would ever cause China to be wiped off the map, is China.

Anyways, since this issue by and large seems to have ended with peace talks and reasonable agreements, should this thread just be unstickied?

>>16321

Give it another year and North Korea will want attention again. Otherwise yes, this is just a repeat of the South China Sea incident, but with NK instead of China, and will amount to the same.

>>16320

Shame.

Its good that people dissagree, it leads to more discussion, but a lot of what you wrote are personal attacks, assumptions, or are talking about things which I didn't even say or imply that Im thinking.

>But we ain't here to talk about stock picks, we're here discussing the Korean situation and I'm here right now telling you you're ignoring reality if you don't actually see economic turmoil in China.

I agree, lets focus on Korea.

And yes, if thinking that China isn't in an economic turmoil makes me delusional, then I am a very delusional man :)

>>16325

It's an image board if you wanted an academic discussion on China you're in the wrong place. It doesn't matter how deep we go the culture remains.

And yes, yes it does. Because the data available doesn't look good, and since the transparency isn't good estimates have to be made. The estimates aren't good either. The SSE was trading at ridiculous PE levels, it still has a way to fall and as assets liquidate it'll only spill over.

But enough of data, like you said you din't tlak about data. You only talked about people saying China is going to collapse for the last 5-8 years. You're right we're having a different discussion. I'm talking about the data and you're talking about tinfoilers and how any prediction of China having serious economic problems is a tinfoil argument.

The data that is available, is available for all who are interested.

It's just like that South Korea said on that /pol/ thread, the West gets more worked up about this than Korea. For that reason alone China isn't going to active it's military. Besides it has to prevent the sea from knocking over some of the sand castles its built.

>>16326

>if you wanted an academic discussion you're in the wrong place. It doesn't matter how deep we go the culture remains.

where should I go then for serious discussion?

any good textboards?

>>16334

You have Tor, use it.

You're not going to find people who aren't talking out of their ass on anything that can be tied to them. Throughout history it's the same way, if you wanted to learn the truth you had to dig. You can't go against the main currents of society in public without being a target. That's way it's better to be ignorant and shout bullshit. Everyone does it, hell I could be doing it right now. It's up to you and everyone to check the facts and see if things align. That means maybe someone might actually know what they're talking about.

>>16338

He's not going to find "serious discussion" on the "darkweb"; most forums have either a serious libertarian or communist bent to them, and they're all dead anyway.

>>16351

No, but at least on the "darkweb" you can get data no otherwise available.

Besides the search for "serious discussion" is a joke. Go to Facebook, go to /pol/ go to dark web circles. Anonymity doesn't mean anything other than protection, and people will spout bullshit even with their name attached; especially if it makes money. Look at MSM it's how that whole show goes.

Even if we want "serious discussion" what does that even mean? For everyone it's a different matter. Some just want their ego stroke so they don't want any to disagree. Some want a circle jerk over their favorite things. Some are masochists, and some

>were only pretending to be retarded

When you have different people meeting together especially when you're talking about over the web, you're gonna have to give up on utopia, let that stay in your middle school diary.

For myself as far as the Chans go if I can get even an iota of information out of it it's a success. It doesn't matter the shit you have to go through to get it. For you who knows, as a Tor user you value privacy at least, or maybe you just want CP or drugs, who knows and who cares. At least we're in an arena where being an "expert" doesn't matter. If you're a fag you get called out for that, but at least people do get called out.

Nothing is perfect, it doesn't mean anyone should stop trying, but they shouldn't burden reality with their ideals; but, people always will try to find their utopia, because if they didn't stop believing they'd look around and realize what everything is.

And that's why the North Koreans have to Aloha Snackbar every year, because they have to believe in their cause or they'd realize what a shitty situation they are really in.

>>16351

>>16352

I feel priviledged to have made my own private forum with a few people I trust (5 users on the best days) where I can discuss the news without all of the shills. It spawned out of a research community with shills, we split off and made a private SSL protected blog/form. Having a "hugbox" is not a bad thing because there's a certain point where you need to shut out the shills or you'll never be able to look at things beyond a surface level.

I wish I could explain that better but just saying that there's a difference between real dissent and those fuckwads that scream "hugbox" and just try to keep discussion shut down at the most basic levels.

It's sad that over three years I was never able to build my community over 5 users, and every time I let somebody add a new user they went completely disruptive.

>>16384

good for you m80, the mythical hugbox goes like this:

stupid leftist shit(tumblr) + right wing views = libtards go full retard and there's no intelligent disscussion

right wing views(/pol/) + leftist shit = shilling.

anyone that says you're just in a hugbox, only say it, because they can't prove you or your forum to be false.

>>16393

The few people that were added based on recommendations from trusted members ended up going like completely schizo insane on everybody. I mean freaked out shit. And they had gained the trust of people that I still trust. They just went suicide bomber once finding their way into a community that hadn't been already corrupted.

>>16396

that's what I'm speaking about, If you've got a good "hugbox" running, never try to fix something that isn't broken

>>16384

>>16396

It sounds like it wasn't a hugbox then.

A hugbox is a real phenomenon that also exists in the real world. It's the idea of a safe space where the monolithic idea cannot be contested no matter what. I mean even the pope hires a guy to tell him he's wrong.

It sounds like you had 5 people that actually discussed things, but you didn't screen effectively past that and everything goes to hell. If it was a real hugbox, you would have reached a singular point and just gathered yesmen to reinforce that point.

Now I don't know what your private forum was like, it could have been like that, in which case that's disgusting and nothing better than a cult. But if you had different people analyzing things and bringing in good information then it isn't a hugbox.

>>16406

We disagree with each other on a regular basis but agree the vast majority of the time. I've always made a point to actually say something when I think somebody is wrong. However I wouldn't even allow somebody in if they didn't agree on most major points, because I don't want to argue the babby shit all over

One of the disruptive users had a problem that the rest of us were not anti-something enough, so he copied conversations from the private forum to a public blog and criticized them… that was the worst case and the dude was pretty much schizo word salad type at times. And another super paranoid woman that accused everybody of stalking her. That one was strange because her behavior didn't show signs of that before she was welcomed in. So I think she may have been a literal shill. Neither were able to cause too much damage really but it was odd

It's very difficult to grow online communities

Anyways, I guess this is all off-topic for the thread

>>16416

Sometimes fresh insight on basic things can gain much ground, but if it's pointless baiting like the sky is green or whatever equivalent then it's all pointless.

While it is off-topic it sort of relates how North Korea was formed. Back in an age where Communism was actually thought to work (though the socialists still haven't given up, but that's another story). North Korea wouldn't exist today because not even the Chinese would be that stupid, but we were younger then. It all started with some shilling by the Soviets and the Americans

>pretending to be retarded

What it gave birth to was a nation that makes the average troll on the Chans look smart.