/polpol/ - Lets talk abortion from a purely pragmatic viewpoint - the morality of it completely aside.Pros: -Acts as a form of eugenics and gets rid of any and all defects from the human gene pool-Ensures that women aren't forced to raise children that they d

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Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 05:07:49 229917 No.410

Lets talk abortion from a purely pragmatic viewpoint - the morality of it completely aside.

Pros:
-Acts as a form of eugenics and gets rid of any and all defects from the human gene pool
-Ensures that women aren't forced to raise children that they dont want and thus will inevitably treat like shit, which will raise them to be degenerates and/or criminals
-Encourages only the top-most members of society to breed and pass on their genes

Cons:
-Significantly lowers the birth rate of a country, thus worsening the demographic crisis currently facing most first world countries such as Germany (1.3 births for every woman) and most East European countries (as low as 0.8 births for every woman)
-Further reduces the population of white countries in proportion to the population of other countries of the world, resulting in said white countries being out-bred and out-numbered at an even faster rate than is happening now
-Likely to encourage women to have unprotected sex without thought or discretion
-Likely to put a strain on the resources of hospitals if it is widespread enough, especially if the country in question operates on a socialized healthcare system

Thoughts? Is it worth it? Do the pros outweigh the cons?

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 05:44:32 d85220 No.411

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>>410
I would say it's worth it, because pic related.

We should continue to encourage abortion among hostile races while doing what we can to discourage it among our own people.

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 10:40:14 d52958 No.416

>>411
This indeed, the "reduced populations of white in proportion to non-whites" is questionable and depends on the country in question.

Another pro is that underage girls aren't forced to raise a child they are obviously not ready for.

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 12:17:42 08a0a6 No.425

Commies like abortion. Are you a commie?

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 12:46:28 171f3f No.427

>>410

>Cons:
>-Significantly lowers the birth rate of a country

I would rather see a nation dwindle to a few million healthy people born into families that want them born.

>-Further reduces the population of white countries in proportion to the population of other countries of the world
We have always been a minority in this world, even when we ruled most of it. Our main concern right now is survival of our folk and the rebuilding of our culture. Everything else if the future generation's problem to deal with.

>-Likely to put a strain on the resources of hospitals if it is widespread enough
I think abortions are relatively quick and cheap. I don't really see it being a financial or logistical problem.

Overall I'd say the pros easily outweigh the cons. Pragmatically speaking.

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 13:38:02 9ebc7a No.432

It's a topic that I am indifferent about. On one hand I understand in cases of rape or some sort of mental/physical disability of the child. Also if the parent is true unable to support the child. But on the other hand, we need more white people. Our race is in decline and we need more children.

(Sci-fi moment alert)
No on a slightly different note, why not have women who seek abortion as an option since they can't support the child give birth, but then have the child adopted into some sort of military/high honor/high loyalty environment so that the child can become essentially a super soldier?

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 13:48:12 d85220 No.433

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>>432
>military/high honor/high loyalty environment so that the child can become essentially a super soldier?
Isn't there (kind of) a historical precedent for this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 14:55:33 a21e44 No.434

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>>410
>Acts as a form of eugenics and gets rid of any and all defects from the human gene pool
This assumes, that the females aborting the fetus will decide to not have any more children. Can't remember how but I recall there being some sort of influence on the health of the following children as a result of an abortion of previous ones, might be wrong as I had read it fairly long ago. Also, being able to delay when you have children is a nice thing to have but you take the increased risk of having a potato born.

Another thing is that the safety net of abortion reduces the risks and costs of having sex, meaning that the society will begin to be more sex-obsessed.

Abortion as an option would be nice but it should be within bounds, as too much access could speed up degeneracy.

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 16:21:19 171f3f No.436

>>433
>raised by the state

This is asking for trouble. A child needs a mother to kiss their boo-boos and a father to tell them to toughen up and walk it off.

I'm being simplistic here but no government institution can replace a pair of parents.

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 18:18:35 229917 No.437

>>427

>I would rather see a nation dwindle to a few million healthy people born into families that want them born.

But that's the thing. Having a low birth rate isn't just about the actual population dwindling, its about demographic shifts as well (which is why I said "worsening the demographic crisis currently facing most first world countries)

By that I mean…Well, take for instance, Japan, where the demographic crisis is easily the worst. Its been projected that at current rates, Japan's work force (and therefor taxable population) will be reduced by up to 40% of its current values, meanwhile pensioners, elderly, and the amount of people applying for social security will increase by almost 120%

You can see how that would really put a colossal strain on the nation's budget - at that rate, social security would have to take up 90% of the state's budget just to function properly.

Anonymous 12/26/14 (Fri) 18:19:13 229917 No.438

>>437

Derp, I meant to say

>Its been projected that at current rates, 50 years from now

Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 20:23:25 83497e No.590

This is a topic that I've contemplated before. What I have thought of it is as follows:
>Abortion is not something you can prevent people from doing
>Abortion is treated as an every-day thing when (From what I've been able to find.) the reality of it, it seems to be something that is as emotionally and physically stressing as a miscarriage.
>Your pros/cons are statist trash

With that in mind, I believe the best thing to do is to offer knowledge along with support for women who wish to get an abortion. (Also getting rid of hypersexualisation and selfishness so that people don't actually have a child out of lust.) It's literally the best option for the continuation of a decent society.

>>437
>You can see how that would really put a colossal strain on the nation's budget - at that rate, social security would have to take up 90% of the state's budget just to function properly.
This is only really a problem due to people putting money through an incredibly inefficient, corrupt system that has no desire to fix it's own major problems.

Anonymous 01/02/15 (Fri) 11:14:29 7e0b01 No.600

>>410
>Is it worth it? Do the pros outweigh the cons?
No. All eugenics is like that: Good in theory, shit in practice. It's like humans breeding dogs, in the end, you get health problems.

Best way is to ban abortion and let nature run it's course. In the end, outbreeding, race mixing and dysgenics will vanish, simply because of biology.

Anonymous 01/04/15 (Sun) 03:45:35 3192a3 No.668

>>410
Why ignore the morality of it? You will end up tracing your pragmatism back to basic ideas of good and bad regardless

Anonymous 01/10/15 (Sat) 18:01:49 c0bbc6 No.720

>>590
My own mother and two of my best friends have all had abortions. None of them were negatively affected by it. I wouldn't approve of it myself though

Anonymous 04/26/15 (Sun) 03:07:36 791ea0 No.13830

>>410

>Lets talk abortion from a purely pragmatic viewpoint - the morality of it completely aside.

You can't really do that unless you are prepared to discuss all types of murder morality aside.

Anonymous 04/26/15 (Sun) 06:43:32 6d2ec2 No.13838

>>410

You are bad at philosophy. Creating pros and cons requires some kind of normative frame work. What is considered "pragmatic" or beneficially must be founded on some normative frame work. You are not putting "morality" aside, just substituting one normative framework for another.

Anonymous 04/27/15 (Mon) 13:17:40 4fd151 No.13927

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>>434

>Another thing is that the safety net of abortion reduces the risks and costs of having sex, meaning that the society will begin to be more sex-obsessed.

I say that when they come in for an abortion offer them a "Free Birth-control Injection" (A.K.A. Sterilization Shot) good for five years. Of course when they come back in five years to renew their "birth-control" give them a second dose to be sure. Pretty much guarantees no more unwanted spawn.

Anonymous 04/27/15 (Mon) 19:16:48 5650d0 No.13955

>>410

>-Acts as a form of eugenics and gets rid of any and all defects from the human gene pool

Hardly. Defects such as autism, ADHD, downs syndrome, brown skin, etc have only been increasing in proportion since Roe v Wade. If abortion brings any eugenic benefits, they're too small to be seriously considered in any pragmatic discussion.

Anonymous 04/27/15 (Mon) 23:34:50 6d3a5f No.13974

>>13955

Consider the "defects" you cite and their causes. Autism, controversially, may well be affected by pollutants introduced via the food supply and/or medications. ADHD was literally created by pharma to shill their pills. The genesis of both of these diseases should indicate that they will increase in frequency unrelated to eugenics.

Anonymous 04/28/15 (Tue) 01:55:47 5650d0 No.13976

>>13974

Regardless, there's still no evidence that genuine birth defects have decreased significantly in proportion since abortion was accepted in the west. Those were just the first examples I thought of.

Anonymous 04/28/15 (Tue) 02:22:41 791ea0 No.13977

>>13927

>the jews are always behind degeneracy

how the fuck

how is this even possible

isnt there anyone else as degenerate as the fucking jews? EVEN ONCE?

Anonymous 04/28/15 (Tue) 04:01:25 8f1808 No.13984

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>>13977

Anonymous 04/29/15 (Wed) 15:39:54 60c183 No.14036

>>13977

I don't know, the French?

Anonymous 04/29/15 (Wed) 21:50:21 67fcc0 No.14052

Anti-abortion seems only ideal for countries where the population is mostly homogeneous. God knows how many more blacks would be running around today in the U.S. were it not legal to do so.

Anonymous 04/29/15 (Wed) 21:53:17 67fcc0 No.14053

Also,

>>668

What this guy said like 4 months ago.

Pragmatism and morality don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.

Anonymous 04/30/15 (Thu) 17:37:16 4a14cc No.14094

Nazis had it right: No abortions for healthy aryan kids, instead have adoption houses where you can go "visiting Aunt Helga" before your pregnancy starts to show, no fuss.

Your kids won't be raised in a hellhole like the ones in todays "socialist" countries.

Instead they will get a grade A upbringing, all needs taken care of, to become upstanding leaders.

Totally OK with abortions for non-aryans, or the defective. Compulsory, in fact.

Funny thing is, I thought the same on my own as soon as I learned about genetics in school.

Mendel and all that rot.

It is literally common sense to a child.

Anonymous 04/30/15 (Thu) 19:40:52 792da4 No.14099

Purely pragmatically, I think it's a net benefit, in America at least. Those who primarily get abortions are blacks and hispanics, thus lowering their birth rate. Some whites do ass well, but they are generally the cunty leftist whites whose children would likely be a detriment to society anyway. Personally, I think abortion should be incredibly cheap and easy, even free, for those on government assistance, making rates of minority abortion rise dramatically. Make it very expensive for those not on assistance, thus lowering the rate of white abortion. Also make it free for women whose baby will have disabilities. It would massively benefit the nation.

Anonymous 05/05/15 (Tue) 12:54:55 b19073 No.14280

>>13977

Anonymous 05/05/15 (Tue) 22:28:17 d330dd No.14304

>>14099

>Those who primarily get abortions are blacks and hispanics

True

>thus lowering their birth rate

Not necessarily, since having a safety net like abortion is going to make a society much more degenerage by taking away the consequences of sex. A child aborted does not equal to a child unborn, it equals a child not had, which is a very important distinction. Nigs have plenty of access to abortions and yet some of them end up having over 10 children even AFTER dozens of abortions. Not only that but having it widely available to anyone at any time means that they are also going to have children later, this means that the children they have are also more likely to be with disabilities, often mental. Obviously abortions should not have a 100% ban, but they should not be as readily available as they are now, regardless of which race it is aimed towards. If you want something like that then you could either have government-mandated sterilisation or give a strong disincentive for other races to have a lot of children, instead of just killing the ones they don't want.

Anonymous 05/06/15 (Wed) 10:50:03 4159a5 No.14320

>>410

>Acts as a form of eugenics and gets rid of any and all defects from the human gene pool

More like acts to remove people likely to abort.

>Ensures that women aren't forced to raise children

Or they could use condoms.

>Encourages only the top-most

The fuck are you smoking?

>Cons

How about you say the only one that matters: Once murdering babies is a-okay, how are you going to have any morality system that isn't a ridiculous sham?

Anonymous 05/06/15 (Wed) 10:55:32 4159a5 No.14321

>>433

Janissaries a shit. Decent early troop, but then technology happened and Europeans got better weapons, better armies.

Sultan tried to upgrade Janicucks, but the faggots got assblasted and started revolting over it because muh tradition. Cue Ottomans getting rekt on every battlefield and empire going into decline.