/polpol/ - Politically Incorrect Discussion

>>8124
I thought that two species are only different if they are unable to reproduce and create fertile offspring. Mulattos seem pretty fertile to me.

But i'm new to pol, so…

>>8143
>But i'm new to pol, so…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_speciation

Read this, or go back to /pol/

>>8136
>Thats a religious commandment, not an ideology, race mixing is a blasphemy against God.

Which is the race that kikes are elitist fucks.

>No idea what that means.

Science is nothing more than an analytical tool used with the goal to find possible objective truths about the world (and possibly use them to make machines etc.) There is no place in science for ethical claims. ("Whites and negroes shouldn't interbreed!")
Ideology on the other hand is about what YOU subjectively feel that the world should be like. You need to tell me why YOU don't like seeing whites and negroes interbreed, why it makes you FEEL bad. Scientific racism is an act of abusing perceived scientific facts in order to fuel one's ideaology. But the only facts that matter for ideology is what you feel. Everyone is an ideologue in some way, we all want something without having any reason other than "I feel it would be nicer that way" or "I would enjoy it more that way".
Once you understand this you will cast off ignorance of material facts and welcome aesthetic racism.

>What I feel matters to me, and I bad about interbreeding between human races.

This will be you.

>I try to project my ideology into science in order to rationalize what shouldn't need rationalization anyway.

These are the people who suck at being racist.

>>8156
Nice freudian slip there. I correct:
>Which is the reason that kikes are elitist fucks.

>>8156
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>Science is nothing more than an analytical tool used with the goal to find possible objective truths about the world (and possibly use them to make machines etc.)
Impossible, we can never know the World as it Is, only our vision of it.

>>8159
Precisely why what matters is only what you feel.
I understand people holding fringe opinions often develope a pathological need to justify themselves. That's where the obession with twisting facts comes from. Wherever you where peopple hold /pol/ opinions, you will find this obessions. It is like a neurosis. I don't know it's a bit hard to explain what I mean. An example would be delusional twisting of the etymology of the word nazi in order to justify being a nazi.
Only once they become secure, once they become positive about their own feelings rather than exist only in denial of the feelings of others, they will be respectable. When they can say "I am a nazi, because I like it, and I don't need to justify my feelings", only then they will become real persons.

>>8165
>Precisely why what matters is only what you feel.
No, we are first beings that experience, the feeling comes later, you can experience yourself without feeling.

>>8168
Take feeling in a broader sense. Like the greek word αἴσθησις (aesthetic is derived from this) which used to mean both perception and feeling for the greeks.

>>5977

This is the one thing I actually agree on with the white guilt people.

>>6256
Mozart was black.

>>8168
>Take feeling in a broader sense. Like the greek word αἴσθησις (aesthetic is derived from this) which used to mean both perception and feeling for the greeks.
I am not Greek, I assume you are not Greek and we are speaking a Germanic language, so clearly, it's about what words mean in English, not ancient Greek.

I think a major part of race reality is not giving a shit about non-whites or what they think. Their inferiority is their own problem to discover on their own.

>>5769
What they should take away from it is that they shouldn't let inferior stock breed like rabbits and breed only with the best, like we all fucking should.

>>5769
The only real thing we need to concern ourselves with is the dismantling and the destruction of affirmative action for women and minorities.
Its not only putting us behind other countries, its holding back human progress.

>>8089
>Wolves and dogs
>Tigers and Lions
>Polar and Grizzly bears

Shit head.

>>5769
Race reality is not the same as white supremacy. Race reality is acknowledging the differences in races. Whites are pretty smart and civilized, blacks from Kenia are good marathon runners, etc.

>>6206
You simply remove them.

>>5769
>Is "race reality" a white-only idea?

No, racism is a white-only idea. Nobody else spends a fraction of the time, thought and energy considering it.

>>10236

I see /int/ is starting to find new ways to try to shit up the board.

>>10236
>No, racism is a white-only idea. Nobody else spends a fraction of the time, thought and energy considering it.
That is right, in order to understand what racism is you have to be intelligent and scientific minded. Therefor only white people can think about racism.

>>10236
I wonder what that whole thing about Japanese against immigration from Korea and the Philippines is about, I mean shit they're all "asian" I wonder if there's something else to it

>>10263
>I wonder what that whole thing about Japanese against immigration from Korea and the Philippines is about, I mean shit they're all "asian" I wonder if there's something else to it
All Asian countries are incredibly racist, even towards one another. Koreans hate the Chinese, the Chinese hate the Japanese and vice versa. There are many minority groups living in China and the central government are always trying to shift the majority ethnicity into their areas to try and get them to leave, it's really sad. The Japanese have special derogatory words for foreigners which are commonly accepted and socially acceptable. Koreans, on the other hand, are much more open about their elitism and they hardly ever associate with non-Koreans, only very few of them do. It's hilariously ironic because they're always trying to be more and more Western, superficial and materialistic.

'Tolerance' is a white cultural thing, and we all know who introduced and enforced this idea in our societies.

>>10263
>>10272

>a shitpost actually sparked interesting discussion about the subject

Loving this board so far.

Looks like your tactic backfired, /int/.

>>5928
>>6002
>"Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."

You don't say this. You say that we have intrinsic differences that make us unique. We should celebrate our respective strengths and should not try and pretend to be what we are not. "Inferiority" is a natural state. There is not a human alive who does not know the feeling of inadequacy.

Do you mock blind people or crippled people because they're "inferior" You've created hierarchy where none exists and you've made nature sound spiteful when it's not.

>>10275
/int/ will always fail because they're uneducated nutjobs with nothing constructive to contribute.

Anyway, I remember when I was travelling through Japan with a few friends and every time we would hop on a train or a bus the Japanese natives who would sit next to us would talk about us and mock us right in front of us and assuming that we couldn't understand them and say thinks like "stupid gaijin". There are also many shops which are "Japanese Only" and they've recently been spreading the myth that foreign men who marry Japanese women must be doing it because they want to gain entry into the country or because they're criminals in their home countries. It's very xenophobic.

Even when asking a few randoms on the street for basic directions to a restaurant or to a train station they will have a scared look on their faces as you approach them and many wouldn't help you even if you ask nicely. It's definitely racism, very xenophobic but there's a certain maliciousness to it.

And blacks, they literally get treated as shit.

>>10289

But would you say this is something positive or negative for them? Do you want the Japanese to change their behavior or their cultural norms about it?

>>10293
Well it's sort of paradoxical because one one hand they have a very strong sense of what constitutes Japaneseness and they are very suspicious of foreigners, and on the other hand they are obsessed with Western consumerist crap imported from the US and they have one of the lowest birth rates in the world which is going to wreck havoc on their economy in the near future as they're going to have a massive older age demographic and their younger generation just won't have the manpower to pay for the older generation and their social services. So their is going to be an implosion at some point. The cultural thing is also ironic because they are very happy to import their anime all over the world yet they don't like it when foreigners appreciate their culture and want to experience it first hand.

The Japanese have always been a very insular culture, but I think this is question that only the Japanese can answer for themselves. They are definitely becoming more open compared to 10-20 years ago, and even at the moment they have nationalistic marches, "no gaijin allowed" places, restaurants, clubs, etc…

They definitely have to change their cultural norms if they want to stabilize their fertility rate as it's lower than most European countries and well below the replacement level. Both men and women focus on having careers before starting families, they have strange sexual fantasies (I don't know whether it's from the radiation from the US nuclear bombs), among other things.

I would also like to point out that there is a massive difference between being tolerant of other people within your own country and appreciating the fact that foreigners are interested in your country, people and wanting to experience its culture while traveling or on holiday and being treated with respect for doing so, instead of being treated like a criminal, invader or alien. At the moment it looks as if the current government wants Japan to become more open to foreigners.

They have a special word for their racism, it's called "innocent racism", even though it's very blatant. In sum, Japan/Korea have a strange fusion of heavy industrialization and a Westernization that still reinforces their respective countries national identity and self-identification in the face of globalization.

>>10293
But to answer your question more succinctly (continuing from here >>10304) I would say that the general culture reinforces the Japanese national identity MUCH more so than in Western/European countries but they also share the same problems with reproduction/fertility rates as us.

>>10304

That rant was kinda a bit unrelated to my question. I was just asking if you had any problems with the Japanese not treating foreigners very well and if you wanted them to change that behavior or not.

>they have strange sexual fantasies (I don't know whether it's from the radiation from the US nuclear bombs)

Probably not, considering Germany's porn industry is full of weird fetishes like scat, piss, femdom, etc, as well. It's probably just due to losing the war really bad and having a few aspects of your culture warped by result.

>>6337
Colonialism didn't get us where we are. Multiracialism, race denialism and collective guilt did that. All of these came out of the ideals propagated by the allies after the defeat of the Nazis. Don't get me wrong, unlike most here, I don't admire the Third Reich. They were socialists and populists that killed innocents for frivolous reasons. One of the worst things about them is how they poisoned eugenics and scientific racism for every nation on earth.

>Obviously not, or you'd be perfectly fine with all of the world's most powerful armies belonging to nations that are actively advocating multiculturalism and race mixing. If might makes right, then you should by all accounts be completely on board with today's liberal hegemony of the globe.
I would be. I often say this on image boards, so you may have heard me say it before, if the darkies inherit then good on them. It proves that white people – as a collective – are the craven and self-loathing losers we always suspected that they were. What right do we have to our continued existence if our alleged "superior intellect" cannot save us?

Closing the borders is, regrettably, only a temporary solution. All closed systems reach equilibrium in the end, and in a globalised world, people move. The competitive exclusion principle ensures that two sorts of beings cannot occupy the same niche indefinitely, they ultimately converge towards an equilibrium: the optimum adaptation. Our species are the last Hominini for this reason, and human biodiversity follows the same principle.

When we think of homogeneous gene pools we are referring to isolated gene pool. Organisms usually look the same because a long time ago any meaningful sense of diversity diminished over time. Microevolution is always making a population better adapted to its niche.

Typically, the only way this can be avoided is by diversifying onto a different niche, which is how human races and the extinct sub-species arose in the first place in their respective environments. When the populations were reunited, one (homo sapiens idaltu) subsumed the all others creating homo sapiens sapiens which itself migrated across the continents giving rise to the races. Globalisation is undoing this process.

White Euroasians can't hide indefinitely. We may last centuries, we may last millennia, but one day we'll come to them or they'll come to us. We can have it on our own terms or we can acquiesce our heritage to the brown goobacks of tomorrow. You choose.

The most hopeful scenario is that eugenics and genetic engineering finds traction before then.

>>10356
Is that why every mongoloid nation that doesn't suck major White dick is a third world shithole?

>>6206
>What will you tell the millions of African Americans or the Somali immigrants already inside your country?
Get out or get shot.

hahahahahahahahaa

>Will you just go to third world countries and tell them "Hey, you're inferior and shit and will never ever be able to achieve 1/100th of what the white race has done."?

Unless it benefits the country of my homeland, no.


>And even assuming you actually did that, how do you expect them to answer to it?

I'd have a good answer for that if I cared enough.


>Should they just sit down and say "Oh ok, I'm a worthless inferior nigger, please breed our women oh superior master"?

Stop projecting. What ethnicity are you anon? To be fair, I'm a mongrel of Irish, English, and dysgenic Italian.


>What implications does race reality have? Is "race reality" a white-only idea?

I'm not going to give you multiple paragraphs, but to keep it simple, it implies that each general ethnicity only works to take of itself, not any other. Another implication I suppose is that we should not let any other ethnicity influence our homogeneous society, nor should we allow them citizenship into our society. If they do need to be in our borders, there shouldn't be any rhetoric used to make them feel as if they are a part of our society.

There, I gave you one.

>>6136
>muh indian holocaust
> muh 1000 billion naked dirt eating savages died because they had literally no competition
wow hyperbole much

>>8100
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>So what?
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>What would that change? It has no moral implication whatsoever.

typical ideology repeated on leftypol with no backing to it
even when it isnt brought up they focus on this "answer" to a question that hasnt been asked

>>8098
why dont you read up on hybrids?
Species separated by far more degrees than needed to make them separate species can still form hybrids in unusual situations. Viable offspring and sometimes even persistent hybrid populations that can become separate species themselves

>>7779

The hypothesis is Afrocentrism tier bullshit, and has been long debunked. There was never any real evidence for it anyway, only the coincidental tool similarity. The method used to claim Clovis as White, is the same Method that niggers used to claim Beethoven as Black, and claim that Black Moors were responsible for all of medieval European culture. Just pure bullshit and total nonsense.


http://violentmetaphors.com/2014/03/10/problematic-science-journalism-native-american-ancestry-and-the-solutrean-hypothesis/

You should be ashamed of yourself for even mentioning it. You should not sink to nigger tier retardation just to avoid accepting the reality of the stiuation. Whites have been pawns of the Jews, and went on a global imperial murder spree to enrich their Jewish overlords. Fact.

>>10289
>maliciousness
How is it malicious to not want dirty foreign non japs to come to Japan? They'll take your money, the businesses anyway, then they want you the fuck out.

>>8120
>My problem with you is that you don't realize that an ideology cannot be supported by rational reasons.
>> What are postulates and outcomes? <<
No ideology is, everywhere and at all times, rational. When defending ideology you make arguments which are logical within certain, agreed parameters.

Economics, for example, is scientific ideology. Scientific socialism and Austrian economics assume axioms about human behaviour. Under these assumptions economists argue that certain behaviours will inexorably result in to certain outcomes. To support this they make use of scientific methods of deduction, In the case of economics, this is usually empirical evidence from the sciences of econometrics, statistics and socio-economics. Naturally, they can still be wrong, and most ideologies are of course wrong, that's why there are so many of them, but this is a fault with their application of their "science". In the end, some scientists are wrong and some scientists are right.

Scientific racism is no different. It's a racism justified by anthropology, demography and genetics – research in essence. This is in contrast with simple racisms like tribalism or aesthetic racism – which make no attempt to be scientific. As I said before, scientific racists could still be wrong and their ideas pseudoscientific, but the ideology itself would be scientific in its approach which is what the attributive adjective represents.